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* '''<s>Oppose</s> Comment''' – As noted regarding the nomination, this nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Higgs lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – ] (]) 16:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
* '''<s>Oppose</s> Comment''' – As noted regarding the nomination, this nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Higgs lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – ] (]) 16:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
*:You can't oppose an RD on significance, which of course you know. The precedent you cite did not have a stand alone article, this one does. It has citation to varied sources, no real chance for AfD. ''<small>]</small>'' 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
*:You can't oppose an RD on significance, which of course you know. The precedent you cite did not have a stand alone article, this one does. It has citation to varied sources, no real chance for AfD. ''<small>]</small>'' 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah. Okay, relabeled as a comment, then. (Though IMO the same principle applies, i.e. "we are not a DT ticker.") – ] (]) 19:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
*::::Oh yeah. Okay, relabeled as a comment, then. (Though IMO the same principle applies, i.e. "we are not a DT ticker.") – ] (]) 19:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
*::Arguable, Higgs and Montegomery have the same situaiton around notabilty and BLPCRIME - Higgs shouldn't have an article, as he isn't notable for anything but the crime, though yes, there was controversy around his death sentence, but so was in the case of Montgomery. Just because there wasn't a standalone for Montgomery should not have stopped the RD for that because having a standalne is '''not''' a required, only a sufficient condition. --] (]) 17:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
*::Arguable, Higgs and Montegomery have the same situaiton around notabilty and BLPCRIME - Higgs shouldn't have an article, as he isn't notable for anything but the crime, though yes, there was controversy around his death sentence, but so was in the case of Montgomery. Just because there wasn't a standalone for Montgomery should not have stopped the RD for that because having a standalne is '''not''' a required, only a sufficient condition. --] (]) 17:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
*:::If it's not a suitable biography (no opinion on my part), it's best for the RD process if this page was either formally AfDed or renamed—either boldly or via RM.—] (]) 10:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Two judges, both female, are shot dead in an ambush while en-route to their offices at the Supreme Court in Kabul; their driver is wounded. Afghan officials claim the Taliban is responsible, however no one has claimed responsibility for the attack and a spokesman for the Taliban, Zabihullah Mujahid, says that the group was not responsible. (Al Jazeera)
More bodies are found under debris in Sulawesi, Indonesia, after a magnitude 6.2 earthquake struck the island two days ago, bringing the death toll to 78. (Reuters)
Oman announces the closure of all land borders for at least one week, beginning tomorrow at 6:00 p.m., as part of measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Times of Oman)
The United Arab Emirates reports a record 3,453 new confirmed cases in a single-day, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 253,261. (The National)
Massachusetts reports their first case of a more contagious variant of SARS-CoV-2 in a woman in her 20s from Boston who traveled to the United Kingdom and began experiencing symptoms the day after she returned. (WBZ-TV)
Austria extends their nationwide lockdown until February 7 in order to reduce the spread of COVID-19 amid fears about new SARS-CoV-2 variants. People will also be required to wear full protective masks beginning January 25. (DW)
Opposition politician and anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny is arrested upon landing in Moscow, according to a statement from the prison service. The prominent Putin critic was arrested on charges of parole violations and terms of a suspended prison sentence and will be held in custody until a court makes a decision in his case. (Politico)
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Malaysia reports a record 4,029 new confirmed cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 155,095. (New Straits Times)
Portugal reports records for both daily counts of new cases and deaths, with 10,947 new cases and 166 deaths, bringing the nationwide cumulative totals to 539,416 confirmed cases and 8,709 deaths. (DGS)(Reuters)
Serbia receives one million doses of Sinopharm's BBIBP-CorV vaccine. They are the first European country to receive a Chinese-made vaccine. (AFP via Barron's)
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Comment: OK, I've replaced the refs to Copes' website and overhauled the structure of the article. I think it's OK now - Dumelow (talk) 08:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Comment - as far as I can see it also looks OK quality-wise, mostly thanks to the updaters mentioned above. There's lots of cited text, and I've added a prose summary of the results and reactions so far. — Amakuru (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment the Museveni article is quite bad and has multiple tags, the section starting Yoweri Museveni, the man who loves wearing big hats as described on BBC probably the worst. I'll try to improve it. Election article looks good. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Hmm that's a shame. Museveni used to be an FA back in the distant mists of time when I first started editing. It's not strictly necessary for it to be improved for this hook as it's not the bolded link, but would be good if you can get it improved anyway. — Amakuru (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment – There's not much on the military entering Wine's home property, which reportedly occurred Friday, or on him alleging voter fraud. – Sca (talk) 23:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure there is much known about the fraud at present, other than that Wine alleges it. I'll try and add a bit more on that and the break-in you mention tomorrow morning, if nobody else does so first. — Amakuru (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Article:K2 (talk·history·tag) Blurb: A group of Nepali climbers completes the first successful winter ascent of K2, making it the last eight-thousander ascended in winter. (Post) News source(s):BBC Credits:
Nominator's comments: K2 was the most famous and challenging unclimbed peak in winter conditions. The story receives front-page coverage and seems to be of high encyclopedic value. Also, the article is in good shape and the update is sufficient. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Support on notability but oppose on quality We have posted other world records in various sports and this one is more interesting because it's a "World's first"-type record and ,therefore, it's technically unbeatable. With that said,the K2 article needs some work, there are several red links and cn tags Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Oops my bad, I have fixed the first paragraph and added a citation for the case. I hope you can change your stance. Sorry for my inexperience, this was my first time nominating an article on EN Wiki. Let me know if there's anything more wrong with the article. Ricky250 (talk) 10:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Weak support. Two claims in the article, at Early life paragraph 3 and Constitutional crisis paragraph 6, are not referenced and there's one When tag at the Honours section, especially given the fact that BLP applies. However the article is in good shape, and meets criteria 1-2 for RDs. GeraldWL14:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I added two refs in regards to the paragraphs. About honour, i'll see what I can find. Thank you for the support. :) Ricky250 (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Executed by the US Government on January 16. While this innocent death is absolutely fucking outrageous (excuse my French) and the execution is full of controversies, he has still died none the less, the death itself is notable on a political level (but not for a blurb), and the article quality looks good for RD. DrewieStewie (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Comment – As noted regarding the Lisa Montgomery nomination, this nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Higgs lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – Sca (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
You can't oppose an RD on significance, which of course you know. The precedent you cite did not have a stand alone article, this one does. It has citation to varied sources, no real chance for AfD. GreatCaesarsGhost17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh yeah. Okay, relabeled as a comment, then. (Though IMO the same principle applies, i.e. "we are not a DT ticker.") – Sca (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Arguable, Higgs and Montegomery have the same situaiton around notabilty and BLPCRIME - Higgs shouldn't have an article, as he isn't notable for anything but the crime, though yes, there was controversy around his death sentence, but so was in the case of Montgomery. Just because there wasn't a standalone for Montgomery should not have stopped the RD for that because having a standalne is not a required, only a sufficient condition. --Masem (t) 17:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
If it's not a suitable biography (no opinion on my part), it's best for the RD process if this page was either formally AfDed or renamed—either boldly or via RM.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
An EgyptianUNpeacekeeper is killed and another injured after a bomb planted by jihadists detonates under a truck that was part of a UN logistics convoy. (UN News)
China reports 144 new cases, the majority in Hebei and Heilongjiangprovinces. This is the highest number of daily cases in the past 10 months and brings the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 87,988. (The Straits Times)
Uttarakhand reports their first case of a new variant of SARS-CoV-2 in a 44-year old man who was in close contact with people who travelled to the United Kingdom. (Hindustan Times)
Indonesia reports a record 12,818 new confirmed cases in the past 24 hours, including 3,095 in West Java, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 882,418. (detikHealth)
The Philippines extends until January 31 its travel ban on more than 30 countries and territories where cases of SARS-CoV-2 variants have been reported. (Arab News)
Prime MinisterBoris Johnson announces the closure of all travel corridors beginning January 18 at 4:00 a.m. GMT. He also announces that all travellers must have proof of a negative COVID-19 test from the previous 72 hours and quarantine for 10 days upon arrival, unless they test negative after five days. (ITV)
The Chilean government reports 4,471 new cases, the highest daily total since June. A potential new lockdown in the Santiago Metropolitan Region is under evaluation according to the Ministry of Health. (ADN Radio)
Paraguay approves the emergency use of Russia's Sputnik Vvaccine, becoming the fourth South American country to approve the use of the vaccine against COVID-19, after Argentina, Bolivia and Venezuela. Supply of the vaccine will be facilitated by the Russian Direct Investment Fund. (PR Newswire)
Tunisia reports a record 4,170 new confirmed cases in the past 24 hours as the country enters a four-day lockdown and also closes all schools until January 24 in order to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Reuters)
Russia says that it will withdraw from the Treaty on Open Skies, following the U.S. withdrawal from the treaty last year. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that the U.S. withdrawal has "significantly upended the balance of interests of signatory states". (AP)
Opposition activist Bobi Wine claims victory in the presidential election, despite early results giving incumbent PresidentYoweri Museveni a wide lead, and calls the results "a joke". (France 24)
Bobi Wine tweets that the military has "taken control" of his home and placed him under house arrest, just hours after claiming victory in the disputed election. (Al Jazeera)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
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Nominator's comments: Legendary Welsh harpist and composer. Better referenced than it was. - The news came on 15 January, but died on 6 January. Can we treat him like 15? Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Posted to RD. @Gerda Arendt: Not sure if you saw changes in posting RDs, but for anyone whose death occurred or announced in the past 7 days will be posted at the top of the list, and then will age off as new RD (from any time point) are posted above it. Spencer22:56, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: The article is woefully short and I don't know enough about it to help expand, but if I am reading this correctly, while Rutte will remain as acting PM until March to make sure there is leadership, he could be out come these elections in March if his party doesn't get the majority. So effectively the start of a new election cycle. Masem (t) 22:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment For someone who nominated this article (Masem), the resignation of Mark Rutte as Dutch PM is actually a WP:ITNR which it means "a change of head of government" which includes a resignation. So i would "Support" this to be posted if this article needs to be updated and improved due to significance. 36.65.38.213 (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Having dug a bit deeper, there are regular elections coming up in March regardless of this. And while Rutte has resigned, he is remaining on until that point; he could be re-estated if his party wins and he's named back to that position, in a case that they're using the election sort of a vote of no confidence. So I'm not sure if this is ITNR but it definitely feels like an ITN regardless on its own merits. --Masem (t) 01:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Support - A government taking collective responsibility when something has gone wrong is an extremely rare thing nowadays. Mjroots (talk) 06:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Vatican Museums Director Barbara Jatta, tells Vatican Radio it is necessary to extend the current closure of the Museums after having previously set 16 January as a possible date for re-opening. The current Covid-19 situation in Italy does not allow for certainties. Currently there is a seven-kilometre itinerary mapped out through the Vatican Museums for small numbers of visitors, in compliance with anti-Covid precautions. (Vatican News)
GovernorLarry Hogan announces that the state will distribute the vaccine next week to teachers, people 75 or older, child care providers, residents of assisted living facilities, people in group homes, and high-risk inmates. (The Baltimore Sun)
Germany reports a record 1,244 deaths in the past 24 hours, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute, bringing the nationwide death toll to 43,881. (Tagesschau)
Portugal reports a new record for the second consecutive day, of 10,698 new daily cases, bringing the nationwide cumulative total of confirmed cases to 517,806. (DGS)
China reports 138 new cases in the past 24 hours, the biggest single-day increase in more than 10 months, bringing the total number of cases since the beginning of the outbreak to 87,844. In addition, the country also reports its first death from COVID-19 since April, bringing the nationwide death toll to 4,635. (ABC Australia)
The Federal Ministry of Education announces that schools in Nigeria will reopen on January 18. Parents have appealed to the ministry to rescind the decision following a recent spike in COVID-19 cases. (Xinhua)
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says that Iran has informed them that it has begun installing equipment for the production of uranium metal, another violation in kind in response to Western violations of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. The IAEA says that Iran now has enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon, but still possesses less than it had before the deal was signed. (The Independent)
Eight more Michigan officials are charged along with former GovernorRick Snyder for their roles in the Flint water crisis. Former health director Nick Lyon and former state medical executive Eden Wells are also charged with involuntary manslaughter in the deaths of nine people who contracted Legionnaires' disease during the crisis. (NBC News)(AP)
Voters head to the polls to elect their next president and parliament. The two main presidential candidates are incumbent President Yoweri Museveni and opposition activist and musician Bobi Wine. The election has been widely criticized as being unfair, with both the United States and European Union cancelling their observations of the election. (BBC News)
A Sudanese Air Force helicopter crashes shortly after taking off in Sudan's Al Qadarif state, near the border with Ethiopia, with the three-person crew surviving the crash, according to officials. (TRT World)
Indonesia reports a record 11,278 new cases and 306 deaths in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide total to 858,043 confirmed cases and 24,951 deaths. (CNN Indonesia)
Prime MinisterYoshihide Suga announces the suspension of business travel agreements with 11 countries and regions and also restricts entry for all non-resident foreign nationals beginning tomorrow in an attempt to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Nikkei Asia)
China reports 115 new cases in the past 24 hours, the largest single-day total in more than five months, bringing the nationwide number of confirmed cases to 87,706. (The Straits Times)
Taiwan reports their first case of a new variant of SARS-CoV-2 from South Africa in a Swazi man in his 30s who was diagnosed with COVID-19 on January 1. (Taiwan News)
The United Arab Emirates reports a record 3,362 new confirmed cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 239,587. (The National)
Portugal reports records for both daily counts of new cases and deaths, with 10,556 new cases and 156 deaths, bringing the nationwide cumulative totals to 507,108 confirmed cases and 8,236 deaths. (DGS)
Prime MinisterAntónio Costa announces that stricter lockdown measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19 will begin on January 15. There will be more exceptions to the new restrictions than there were during the first national lockdown in March and April 2020. (Expresso)
Robert Keith Packer, a Virginian known for wearing a "Camp Auschwitz" sweatshirt, is arrested for storming the Capitol. Additionally, former Rocky Mount, Virginia police officers Thomas Robertson and Jacob Fracker are also arrested. (The Washington Post)
Opposition politician and anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny announces that he will return to Russia on Sunday, despite risks of being incarcerated upon his return. Navalny says that the charges against him are "fabricated". (Reuters)
Rioting erupts overnight in the Belgian capital Brussels following the death of a 23-year-old black man in police custody, who was reportedly arrested for violating local COVID-19 restrictions. A police station was set on fire in north of the city, and King Philippe's vehicle was attacked while travelling through the area. (BBC News)(Euronews)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is in decent shape given that we had used this for Roy's death last year. Masem (t) 14:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Support. Article appears to be in decent shape. On a side note, this is also an example of someone not having a stand-alone article per WP:ITNRD who still obviously qualifies for RD. Regards SoWhy15:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment, Leaning Support So Misplaced Pages does treat beloved family entertainment bios preferentially to reviled murderous babysnatching tales. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: British circus owner and promoter. Article is short but well-sourced. Covid-19 death (a week before he was due to be vaccinated).Note: His death was reported on 13 January, but the BBC report says that he "died in hospital in Bath earlier in the week" so a revised date may be required. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Support, per TRM - there is a Telegraph article that may be able cite the remaining cn but unfortunately I can't access it from Ireland JW 1961Talk20:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Former Ethiopian foreign minister. Killed during the Tigray conflict. Article looks alright - Dumelow (talk) 10:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment – Does it need a separate ref on the flat statement that he was "killed ... by the Ethiopian National Defense Force" – ?? — Sca (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
The Rambling Man, I've expanded on his early life. Sca, it's covered by the ref to Reuters at the end of the paragraph which states "Ethiopia said on Wednesday its military had killed three members of the Tigray region’s former ruling party, including former Ethiopian Foreign Minister Seyoum Mesfin" - Dumelow (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Comment. Not checked fully but the article is disorganised and has a lot of short paragraphs. The lead lacks a capsule definition and contains information not present in the body. There is very limited description of his career, and even less on his personal life.Espresso Addict (talk) 04:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, much better, thanks, Dumelow! Bit concerned at how much is sourced to Ref 3 which is dead (also Ref 9, but that's only one sentence). Many of the live non-BBC sources are pay-walled but they look legitimate. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: British museum director, death reported on this date. I've tidied up a ref or two but otherwise article looks in reasonable condition - Dumelow (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment. Was coming to post this, but on a references spotcheck... Where is the date of birth and middle name sourced (not in Ref 1, can't make Ref 2 download)? Ref 3 does not currently mention any of the material it is supporting, except the fact of patronage; some of this is in Ref 4, but not the school or the patronage of Heritage Railway Association. Ref 4 needs details adding but luckily does support a few of the unsourced statements. Ref 5 is probably usable for date of birth, although it's a blog. Newnham has some details but isn't cited for them. Are there any national newspaper obituaries? (Not questioning the subject's notability, by the way, which I think is obvious.) Espresso Addict (talk) 07:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I've had another look and I think most of it is now sourced, though I haven't checked exhaustively. It seems thin for the bio of someone of such considerable contributions; I don't know how much more will be available until the round of obituaries, though. Espresso Addict (talk) 12:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: British photographer, death date not known but reported in the press on 13 January. Excellent recent expansion by the above editors - Dumelow (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment. Thanks for nominating Dumelow, I was holding off until a date was published. An IP has added 11th but afaik it's not been published anywhere yet. I haven't been able to check the Telegraph interview on which the original stub was based, but everything is now sourced elsewhere. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment Source cited for her death says "has died aged 90" without an exact date. The WP article says she died "January 2021". Sometime notices are released weeks or months later, so can we be sure it's even January?—Bagumba (talk) 08:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Looks like google is just using the date the IP put in. Im seeing a lot of non verifiable sources saying Jan 9, Jan 11, and Jan 13, but i cant really narrow it down. Gex4pls (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Article isn't excellent. Bassist for Vanilla Fudge and Cactus. Only two sources have said anything, so if this turns out to be a Petty/Roberts situation, feel free to jump in and close. -- a lad insane(channel two)02:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Article contains only a single sentence related to subject's biography, details even in the infobox are incomplete, and there is no prose update. CN's added for multiple paras. An otherwise notable figure in his circle.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Comment Tags added where appropriate. Contra the 2017 tag, the list section would be okay if it were referenced. More importantly is the 1-sentence Personal life section, where the actual BLP details should be. The entire Early life section is sourced from a single Le Monde obit. While not itself a problem, it gives the impression that the subject is not widely notable.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Update. Thanks all. I believe all points have now been addressed: all unverified material either sourced or removed. List rewritten as prose (where verifiable). “Early life” section now has five sources. There was an “expand” tag on “Personal life” section—it has been, but there is also a sourced note explaining she divulged very few personal details to media, hence limited amount available. Cheers, Innisfree987 (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Not pushing this idea - as above, not sure what I think - just suggesting it for others to ponder: and ongoing item? It's likely to keep evolving thru next week at the very least. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support alt 3 upon passage of the article of impeachment. This is unquestionably ITN material. Article is well sourced and under constant construction. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support This is only the fourth impeachment of a U.S. president. Needless to say, none has previously been impeached twice. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Strong Support. Not only is this the fourth time impeachment in the U.S. has ever happened, it's the first time a president has been impeached twice, but also in the same term. OcelotCreeper (talk) 21:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support alt blurb 4 or 3. Preference for 4, since it gives context about why he was impeached. Crucial development in the US election cycle, top-headline international coverage. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support Would propose it in some manner be structured as an update to the insurrection attempt blurb (though bumped to top ofc), since it's a direct result. Psfiseditingwp (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support, the House vote has now officially concluded, 232-197. I think the original blubr is fine, but I don't have a strong preference there. Nsk92 (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment My preference is altblurb 2, though I'd be fine with any other blurb that either provides context as to why he was impeached or mentions that this is the first time that a US president was impeached on more than one occasion;. Vanilla Wizard 💙21:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Question: As I've said before, I'm not a Trump supporter. But aren't world leaders generally addressed by their titles? Shouldn't it say "U.S. President Donald Trump"? UncomfortablySmug (talk) 01:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@UncomfortablySmug: Per MOS:JOBTITLES: "Use titles where they are necessary for clarity or identification in the context, except in the lead sentence of a biographical subject's own article." (For an example, go look at the article on Elizabeth II: The term "Queen Elizabeth" does not appear once in the body of the article.) In this case, the rest of the sentence makes clear that Donald Trump is the president of the U.S., so there's no need to redundantly say "President" or "U.S. president" before his name. Tamzin (they/them) | o toki tawa mi.07:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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That's because extremely little has been written about his personal life. In Belgium, if famous people want to keep their private life private, this is mostly respected by the media: as a consequence, we have information about what made him notable, but not about his life, education, family, ... The Flemish main sports newsite, Sporza, has 4 articles about his death (plus one from right before reporting about his critical condition), and they provide no information about his private life except his date of birth. Fram (talk) 10:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Convicted murderer in this crime so does not have a standalone page per WP:CRIME; was executed last night after last -minute attempts to hold her execution. Masem (t) 14:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I have done so, though her "bio" is spread through the article itself (based on the events related to the murder investigation). --Masem (t) 15:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I agree, there isn't a stand-alone article about her, and WP:ITNRD doesn't have a specific note on allowing this (only for people who are members of groups). Therefore, not convinced this should be on RD, especially as we'd linked to a page about a crime in 2004. Joseph2302 (talk)15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support. I think the point of the ITNRD guideline is to avoid RD listings about minor persons who are only mentioned in passing. Montgomery is notable by all standard definitions on Misplaced Pages and the only reason she has no stand-alone article is a style-related decision not to have such articles in most cases. But the article Masem linked to contains enough text and sources to support a stand-alone article in other cases and thus I think ITNRD has to be interpreted to encompass such articles as well. For example, neither Wachoswki sister has a standalone article but no one would really argue that ITNRD were to deny her an entry in RD if one of them died today. Regards SoWhy15:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Wachoswkis: That exception is covered in WP:ITNRD: Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis.—Bagumba (talk) 12:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose – This nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the tense political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Montgomery lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – Sca (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
OpposeWP:ITNRD: An individual human ... if it has a biographical Misplaced Pages article ... I could possibly IAR for victims, but not the perpetrator. No need to encourage copycats.—Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
ITNRD is a sufficient but not necessary condition for an RD. I fully recognize the standalone is not there. --Masem (t) 16:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Even not considering the fact that the person doesn't have an article, all of the info is spread out across the article, not concentrated in the section linked. Gex4pls (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose The inherent notability of this death is that an execution was carried out, and that in itself is not newsworthy.--WaltCip-(talk)17:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment. I'm not sure that this qualifies for RD; I'm opposed to linking to a murder from 2004, but perhaps a separate article could now be created given the coverage of her execution. A blurb relating to the execution might be warranted, although I'm not 100% sure why it is so much more notable than the other (?)two recent executions. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support This is a special case. Yes they do not have a standalone article, but her death is more in the news than the other RDs. Fourth woman executed by US federal government, last time was 67 years ago. First woman executed in the Post-Gregg era. TarkusAB19:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Brady was, I believe, far more of a household name? Also his crimes were much further back in time, historical to most readers, and the article about them much more developed. I strongly think that we should hold to the must (almost always) have a separate article principle to avoid being flooded with similar RD requests. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose RD. No standalone article. Brady article nom did not have clear consensus IMO. If the significance/newsworthiness is the execution, then this should be considered as a blurb rather than shoehorned as an RD. Spencer01:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
I will stress that barring WP:BLPCRIME, Mongomery would have been notable for a standalone article, given that in the last few years as her date of planned execution drew near, more attention had been drawn to her case. But properly under BLPCRIME we don't have a separate article for her as she is not notable for anything beyond the crime, conviction and subsequent legal events tied to it. The complaints that there's no standalone are not really valid as the ITNRD only makes it it a matter of asking about quality for standalone articles, and says nothing against cases like this, which we have posted of the likes before. --Masem (t) 02:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
People are interpreting WP:ITNRD's has a biographical Misplaced Pages article as needing to be a "standalone". People could choose to IAR in this case, but that's different than claiming that opposing arguments are "not really valid".—Bagumba (talk) 03:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose IAR use of BLPCRIME to circumvent basic BLP requirements. The personal details are scant, relate overwhelmingly to a single event, and omit many rudimentary biographical points. This would be a clear BLP1E, were it not housed within an event article.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment Technically a BLP2E, notable for the murder itself and being the first woman to be federally executed in the USA in almost 70 years (and the first woman executed in the USA in over 5 years). 1779Days (talk) 10:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
As I have pointed out above, the RD RFCs were established to set the standalone as a "sufficient but not necessary" requirement for adding to RD, we've never had a consensus discussion on the lack of a standalone - though obviously not having any type of sustained section in any article would be not enough for an RD (like the spouse of a notable person). --Masem (t) 14:29, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm with TRM here; the last thing we need is a precedent for people without articles to be considered. (Obvious exceptions people like Ant & Dec or the Coens who predominantly work together.) I'm open to a blurb on this; but the bolded article would have to be something relating to executing women or the federal executions that Trump has forwarded. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Malaysia reports a record 3,309 new confirmed cases in the past 24 hours ahead of the return of movement control orders in parts of the country, bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 141,553. (The Straits Times)
BavarianMinisters-PresidentMarkus Söder announces that starting from next Monday, people will be required to wear FFP2 masks while travelling on public transport and when in retail shops in order to improve safety on these areas. (The Local Germany)
Egypt reopens its airspace to Qatari aircraft, and will allow the resumption of direct flights between the countries, which have been suspended since 2017. (Reuters)
PresidentDonald Trump warns that successfully impeaching him from office for his conduct regarding the riot at the United States Capitol Building would represent a "tremendous danger" to the nation. Trump refused to clarify his statement any further, instead stating that his comments vis-à-vis inciting the incident were "totally appropriate". (CNBC)
Ahead of Thursday's election, Ugandan opposition presidential candidate Bobi Wine says that soldiers raided his home and arrested his security guards without providing any explanation. Wine has previously been accused by incumbent Yoweri Museveni of being "an agent of foreign interests". (DW)
In retaliation against Facebook for blocking pro-government accounts, the government of Uganda blocks all social media, including Facebook and WhatsApp until further notice. (Reuters)
Authorities in Russia ask a judge to jail opposition politician and anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny for allegedly breaking a suspended sentence dating back to 2014 and for evading the supervision of Russia's criminal inspection authority. Navalny had previously been asked to return to Russia to report himself to the federal authorities but continues to remain in Germany. He has vowed to return to Russia ahead of the next parliamentary election. (Reuters)
Formula One postpones the Australian and Chinese Grand Prix due to COVID-19-related restrictions. The Australian Grand Prix will take place in November instead of March, while the discussion over a new date for the Chinese Grand Prix is ongoing. (BBC News)
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Comment: Would like to see a little more detail about the subject's musical career in the 70s. Not opposed to posting, but could use some more depth of coverage. Spencer01:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Nominator's comments: Culmination of investigation going back several years, leading to apologies from Irish state and Catholic church. yorkshiresky (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support (but note I created the article). Culmination of a years-long investigation will see a state apology from Ireland's Taoiseach in a story that will dominate the news in Ireland for a week. Already garnering international attention. Bastun23:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support Reminds me of the Australian war crimes investigation from a few months ago. Making news even across the pond,, ,,. Gex4pls (talk) 04:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment Blurb modified to include bold link and (to my eye) a missing article. The Criticisms section is not what I expected, and there is no text comparing this situation to analogous if not contemporary situations (France, Russia, Low Countries during occupation, etc.).130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment awful mistreatment and in principle a blurb seems warranted. However, the outcome was widely anticipated and it's not clear what's in this final report that wasn't already in the interim publications. The article update so far is minimal and provides no more information than we had before the report was published. I'd like to see new information incorporated into the article before posting. Modest Genius10:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Fair comment in part - the scale of deaths and the extent of the disparity in infant mortality rates between the general populace and those in homes was not generally known. The reactions section will be expanded as the Taoiseach makes his state apology and survivors' groups issue their own statements; but this may take some time - the report is over 3,000 pages and frankly, it's hard going. Bastun12:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I expect there will be plenty of reactions. I just would have preferred ITN to wait a day for that material to be added to the article before posting. It's not as if stories are rotating off quickly at present. Modest Genius13:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment Perhaps it's regional, but I'm not familiar the term "mother and baby home". I've offered alt blurb2 which is more accessible, describing them as "church-run homes for unwed mothers and their babies".—Bagumba (talk) 11:55, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: If this is posted, the ongoing about the protests should be pulled out from ongoing. There probably should be a bit more updating on the targets about this. Masem (t) 16:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Question Does the suspension of the laws mean that the laws are repealed, or does it mean that the implementation has simply been postponed? Gex4pls (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
They are definitely not repealed/vacated/nullified. All articles I see reported them as suspected or temporarily put on hold while a panel is brought in to oversee negotiations between the gov't and farmers to try to work out compromises on the laws. --Masem (t) 16:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
In that case, Oppose. If the laws were repealed, then maybe a support, but the laws simply being put on hold doesn't stop the protests. There is also barely any update in the two articles linked. Gex4pls (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Per above, should keep in ongoing, and this is in the article. If the protests stop or lose coverage, we can have another nom to remove from ongoing at that point. Albertaont (talk) 05:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose The first article doesn't seem to have been updated. And main thing that's happened is that a committee has been formed. That's just kicking the can down the road and so this will be ongoing interminably. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Support Awesome. Er, the article quality I mean. Mostly. Cites seem to be all there, just a tag about the number of section headers which should be easily fixed. Davey2116 (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support Great looking article. Also, I initially thought that the nominator comment was "feminist" which I thought was pretty funny... --Rockin (Talk) 13:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
It's not as long as the section headers would suggest, but long enough it's clear where the issue has come from. It's still structured better than lots of one-section two-paragraph short articles we post to RD. Kingsif (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Mainland China reports 103 new cases in the past 24 hours, mainly in Hebeiprovince, which is the highest single-day total since July 30 and brings the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 87,536. (CNA)
The Philippines orders 25 million doses of Sinovac's vaccine. 50,000 doses of the vaccine are expected to arrive in the country by February. (Inquirer)
Lebanon declares a state of emergency and imposes a 24-hour curfew for 11 days beginning January 14 as part of a lockdown that began on January 7. All private and public companies as well as house of worships will be closed with few exceptions and travel restrictions will also be introduced. (The Daily Star)
Seychelles becomes the first African country to begin vaccination campaign against COVID-19. One of the first to receive the vaccine is the president Wavel Ramkalawan. (Africa News)
The government orders that victims of COVID-19 must be buried where they die, forbidding viewings and the transfer of corpses as the country experiences a significant increase in the number of cases. (Xinhua)
The leader of the Houthi movement, Mohammed Ali al-Houthi, condemns a move by the United States to designate the group as "terrorists" saying that the group "reserves its right to respond to any designation" by the Trump administration. Iran and the Norwegian Refugee Council also condemn the designation, saying that it will create more devastation in the impoverished nation. (Al Jazeera)
Three police officers are killed, two by gunfire and one in a hit-and-run, after a carjacking in Isla Verde, Puerto Rico. A fourth police officer is also injured. This is the first time in Puerto Rico's recent history in which multiple police officers were killed in one incident. The suspect remains at large. (AP)
An internal bulletin by the FBI warns of nationwide armed protests being planned from January 16 to 20, the day of Joe Biden's inauguration. The bulletin also warned of an armed group threatening to start a "huge uprising" if there is an attempt to remove Donald Trump from office via the 25th Amendment. (ABC News)(AP)
(Closed) 2021 College Football Playoff National Championship
When the ITN discussion is several times longer than the article in question, and there is no obvious consensus in either direction, it is time to close. No consensus. --Tone17:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Article updatedNominator's comments: The college football national championship was posted in 2020! Let's post it again! It is a significant news story in the U.S. as one of the biggest sporting events of the year. It would be one of two gridiron football articles that would get posted in a calendar year. The game isn't over yet, but it's a blowout. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support - major news headline, definitely one of the biggest U.S. sports events of the year. Posted last year and absolutely should be posted again. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment - The DeVonta Smith photo doesn't look too great so I don't think that the alt blurb should be used. --Rockin (Talk) 05:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't want to bring up the past issues with the BCS as a general issue, but I would ask if this year is really a "fair" competition given the impact COVID had on the participation of various schools, and thus making this a type of "asterick" win. (To contrast, the NFL has continued its season as normal, outside of rescheduling games due to COVID issues, so the Super Bowl winner isn't "affected" by the COVID factor) --Masem (t) 06:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
fivethirtyeight.com which is the most scientific analyst of elections (they gave Hillary c. 33% chance of losing cause she needed many states which weren't that blue and states' polling errors are correlated, this was more accurate than anyone) and one of the most for sports has said that nothing was weird about who won. If you know American football you'd know that Alabama soundly defeating Ohio State is not unexpected enough to make you think coronavirus asterisk. As of the Jan 2020 edition Alabama had won more championships than anyone since the previous system started in 1998 and did it all since 2009 and Ohio State was one score away from this game last year and won in 2014 and was champion 7 times between 2002 and 1942. The winner is so non-asterisked in fact that this is Alabama's 6th championship in 12 years.Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support alt2 (but only include MVP pic if a better pic can be found) — Article quality is good and readers will certainly be looking for this. Last year's championship brought over 90,000 views to the article, and when this year's semifinals concluded 10 days ago, this article about the finals received 45,000 views. "American" is more specific and recognizable than "gridiron". I agree the blurry MVP pic isn't good enough for the main page; would support MVP pic with a better quality pic. Levivich /hound06:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose It's the same old story every year and my opinion is still a resounding no. The Super Bowl LV in less than a month is enough from this sport (or family of sports if you dare). We've been discussing this for more than ten years now, which is enough time to conclude that this particular tournament hasn't impacted the youth in the world to play the sport at all nor is there any significant expansion of the sport as a result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Right now, gridiron football gets one ITN/R a year. Two is not too much to ask for. It was posted last year, and consensus has moved more and more towards support each year. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
LOL if we post the Rice Bowl, we'd be posting the winner of the Japanese American college football championship (one of the participants in the Rice Bowl is the Japanese American college football champion), and not the American American college football championship. AFAIK the IFAF World Championship doesn't include Americans who have played in the highest levels of football, pro or college. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Accessibility Note Could someone fix the Ohio colours, please? That grey on red text doesn't even come close to accessibility requirements, which is not negotiable (I'd change it myself, but it's probably better if someone more familiar with team colours does it). Black Kite (talk)08:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski. 1) The sport is only known in America 2) Coverage is very limited to just one country, have tried switching IP to different countries but failed to find any non-American source. This would be similar to me nominating World Pencak Silat Championships, which would be definitely closed with SNOW and a trout.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromi Mikhael (talk • contribs) 08:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
You can't just insist sources don't care about it for X, Y, Z (here, at my comment below) reason but it's still important and should get posted. From your random paragraph analysis of the game above, it's clear you really care about it, but sources don't, at least not this year, sorry. No exceptions for the second highest championship because one guy swears it's big when RS's don't. Kingsif (talk) 15:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
That wasn't the point. You have been replying to every comment bringing up the lack of news coverage (a main criterion) by saying "but they are distracted by politics" or "but there's a pandemic" or, here, "but they don't count because they don't know how important it is" - particularly bad since importance is often dictated by news coverage, not in spite of lack of it. So I say, you can't ignore a criterion because you think sources are getting it wrong. If they're not giving coverage, they're not giving coverage, and it doesn't matter why. Kingsif (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support as one of the biggest events in the year. That it's limited to a single country is irrelevant -- ITN gets sports events that take place in one country all the time. -- Rockstone08:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Weak Support I am as perpetually bemused as most non-Americans as to why amateur sport is such a big deal, but it clearly is, and it's not difficult to find non-US coverage either as you can see in my reply to Jeromi Mikhael above. Black Kite (talk)10:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Black Kite: Don't let the "amateur" status mislead you into thinking it's not a big business. O'Bannon v. NCAA and Fair Pay to Play Act are examples. College football and men's basketball has strong ties with students and alumni, as well as in areas wihtout professional teams. It's one reason Trump pushed for a college football season among the pandemic.—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
And now you know why we have so much COVID for our population density. Handwaving that meh 15,000 is only like 15% just doesn't happen in some states though, America isn't all this crazy. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment Pretty much every source calls it the "College Football Playoff National Championship". Not sure if the earlier blurbs intentionally dropped "Playoff" or not. I've added ALT III.—Bagumba (talk) 11:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose. An amateur sporting event only open to students at certain universities; not the top level of American football in any sense (that's the Super Bowl). Teams are selected by a subjective committee not on-field performance. We have consistently avoided posting this before - I'm amazed that 2020 had a different outcome, which seems to have been due to lower participation and no clear consensus. Let's not repeat that mistake. ITN shouldn't be posting student sporting competitions (yes that applies to the Boat Race too). Modest Genius12:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The teams had $116 and $95 million of revenue last year. The winning coach is paid $9.3 million which is almost as much as the professional football #1 of $12 million. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
PCN02WPS I don't think NCAA basketball should be posted either, and have consistently !voted to oppose it and all other student sports. As I've said in previous discussions, we should be posting amateur sporting events only if there is no professional competition in that sport (Gaelic football is the only one that springs to mind). Otherwise we should stick to the most important competitions in the highest (professional) level of the sport. College is not the highest level of American football. Modest Genius21:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose As per Kiril and numerous arguments over the last decade. I did find that in a year which has had (in the first ten days): Britain leaving the EU, The US president inciting violence in storming the capitol building, Ireland set to publish the report into the mother and baby home abuse.... the description of a non-professional college-level sport as "one of the biggest events in the year" to be laughably and hilariously blinkered. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose - Frankly the decision to host the CFP during COVID-19 was so dubious that it ought not be publicized to begin with.--WaltCip-(talk)13:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The NFL Draft is also a major event in American football, but we would never consider it newsworthy. ITN looks at general notability and not just insular notability.--WaltCip-(talk)13:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose It's not ITN/R but we can still consider it here at ITN/C. The article's in decent shape. But, I have to oppose based on the fact that even though I like college football I had no idea this happened. Just missed it. Nobody was talking about it and it can't have been above the fold in any news. And you'd think getting multiple colleges together during a pandemic would have been news in itself, so this must be really down the newsworthy pecking order right now. (edit: and this is without getting into the fact it's second-tier non-professional competition in one country. It could be the most popular thing ever for fans of the sport in that country, but until we start posting all the other second-tier non-professional championships that fans go crazy over for all sports in all countries, it's US bias to suggest college football deserves a blurb) Kingsif (talk) 14:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
If it were truly newsworthy, it would still be covered, like the many other things taking up the "good news" and "sports column" slots. And for the personal experience side, if it was even given a small headline in the general news sources and social media I peruse, it would have caught my eye. But it isn't. Kingsif (talk) 15:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif, it's been quite prominently featured on sites such as ESPN, and has been tirelessly brought up during every ESPN bowl game broadcast. I, personally, would disagree with the statement that "nobody was talking about it." PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry, the US sports broadcaster that covers everything talked about it during their football broadcast. Kingsif (talk) 15:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif, if you, as someone who likes college football, go unaware of the sport's biggest event of the year, that could very well be an issue on your end rather than an issue with the noteworthiness of the event itself. Articles about the game could be quite easily found on both "general news sources" and "social media" both before and after the game. I agree with Spengouli below when he says "I didn't know it happened" or "This shouldn't be covered at all" aren't valid reasoning.PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I assumed that it wasn't going ahead, so didn't look for any news on it. And I saw no news on it. This, to me, shows that unless you are looking for news on it then, at least this year, it's not on your radar. That doesn't make for wide newsworthiness: having to go looking for news isn't equal to simply "I didn't know it happened" and we all should recognize that comment was mischaracterization. Kingsif (talk) 21:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif, again, basing your !vote on a misguided assumption of yours and yours alone is not a sound reason to oppose a nomination. And again, the fact that you did not see news articles about it seems to be more of an issue on your end. The nominator included three very mainstream and prominent news sources, and many more can be found with a simple Google search. I think we could both agree that if I asserted that because I didn't look for news about the FIFA World Cup, and therefore didn't find any, the World Cup was not newsworthy, my argument would not be valid. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, what misguided assumption? That I'm a fan of college football but not delusional like you seem to be that this got any mainstream coverage this year? You appear to be willfully misinterpreting me; I read multiple news sites and I check social media, so if something doesn't come up on my feed it's pretty obscure. I'm sure that's the kind of principle anyone reasonable would agree on. I explained, then elaborated, then literally said you were mischaracterizing my argument. Either you can't understand it, or you're trying to claim a good oppose is baseless. In either case, it's going to be fruitless to continue explaining to you that just telling someone "there's a problem on your end" when there really isn't, is not actually a way to refute them :) So stop pinging me with your insistence that gosh, I clearly haven't read the news or whatever this bs is. Kingsif (talk) 03:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif's point is related to the point I made. I know the NFL is in full gear and its activities outside the field are pretty much getting the same coverage as last year, but anything related to college football was extremely muted since many areas did not have teams playing since most schools did not have in-person classes. Yes, the BCS still has its importance to the field, but I don't think there was the expected interest in it this year as in past years. --Masem (t) 15:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Masem, I think it is a mischaracterization to say that "many areas did not have teams playing." Of the 130 FBS teams, only three did not play a single game. While I do concede that some teams had much shorter schedules than we'd be used to in a normal year, the fact is that the vast majority of FBS teams played this year. (Also, just as a note, the BCS is not the system used anymore; rather, the CFP has been used since 2014.) PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Gex4pls, the fact is that the College Football Playoff National Championship is not ITN/R, and that is not a valid reason for opposing it. Non-ITN/R events are not automatically non-notable. Further, I disagree with the premise that the event is not notable or newsworthy because it occurs the month before another newsworthy event or just the notion that you don't think others care. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support altblurb 3 - We posted it last year and I fail to see any convincing argument as to why it shouldn't be posted. "I didn't know it happened" or "This shouldn't be covered at all" aren't valid reasoning. Spengouli (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I vote to support this, obviously, as a completely disinterested and neutral editor. Also, it is a major sporting event, of near-Superbowl size. "I doubt anyone will really care" is prima facie incorrect, and it's not just the sports fans in those states. It's a huge nation-wide thing, with non-stop coverage on ESPN starting days before the event. The Rambling Man, the COVID superspreader event was more likely on the strip in Tuscaloosa, rather than at the actual football game (and I am not proud of that). Drmies (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support The criteria in question is wide interest. "Wide" can be somewhat vague, but the interest her is far more broad than many items we post. GreatCaesarsGhost20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment I hope that the closing admin will safely disregard all votes that we should post this because we did it last year or because there is other stuff that we post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
True, especially for the opposition based on the relation to a single country, although it's not even close to be dumb as the belief that we should post because we did it in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
"Support because we posted X in the past" and "Oppose because we usually don't post this sort of thing" ... either they're both valid, or neither are valid. I think neither. We should gauge reader interest based on evidence of current reader interest, not past reader interest. Past reader interest can predict current reader interest, but not determine it. Levivich /hound20:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
ITN is not driven by reader interest, because we know topics from certain regions naturally draw more interest than others; we're trying to normalize topics to worldwide importance, and we have generally discouraged the posting amateur sporting events (of which the BCS clearly is) unless it is the only top event in its field (like marathons and rowing, hi TRM). --Masem (t) 20:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Then we better revise the first sentence of WP:ITN (The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest.), and the first bullet point (To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.) and third bullet point (To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.) of WP:ITN#Purpose. Levivich /hound20:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
"Wide interest" dos not mean "popular news topics" though, which is what you're arguing. The results of an amateur sporting event may be popular in the US but has been argued does not have a compelling wide interest globally. Its why we avoid posting every Trump story that passes along as well. --Masem (t) 20:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
But your view, that "wide interest" means international interest, does not have consensus. According to WP:ITN, which Howard quoted just above, the consensus is against requiring international interest. In any case, what metric would you use to gauge "wide interest" as it's used at WP:ITN? Levivich /hound21:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
You asked me if I thought page views was a metric for "wide interest". I don't, I think it's a metric which measures page views, not "interest from a wide audience". If we're going for pageviews and want that to apply, we should be saying "large" interest, not "wide" interest. I think most of us understand that "wide" doesn't mean "from one demographic". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Australian football Grand Final hits come from a country even smaller than the mainland US without Alaska and that's itnr. We almost have a metro area with more people than Australia. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose because ITN isn't a college sports ticker. If it was national/international sports - fine. These are a bunch of college students playing football, not an NFL competition. This seems to go a big overboard on what we post. ~Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸20:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
User:Destroyeraa, it is "national sports". Like, it's literally in the title. It's the national championship, the biggest money generator in the billion-dollar industry of college sports. Drmies (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oppose - Here in England, our most popular sport is association football. The Premier League is in WP:ITN/R, but we don't post any other English competitions, such as the FA Cup - still in itself a big deal domestically. In fact only two other national leagues, those of Spain and Germany, are in that list. As such, given that we already post the top competition in US American football, it would be overkill to post a second one. I get that this is a big deal in America, nobody's denying that, but so are many other things within their respective countries and we don't want to inundate ITN with endless sporting events. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
This argument isn't really relevant. By your logic, we shouldn't post the Premeir League, because the Champions League would be the "top competition", no? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Discussing the discussion, Muboshgu, which has long since exceeded any reasonable parameters of garrulousness. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support ALT III w/o photo based on interest and article quality. I read through the !votes. Opposers should to reminded to not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, then there's the sub-variant that it must arbitrarily be the topmost level of that country. WP:ITNR#Golf, for one, doesnt follow that. Country club exception? This is part of a recurring ITN debate over how to balance that one English-speaking country has a 300M population while others are 60M and below. A second post of the most popular sport of a country with likely the most English readers by far is reasonable. And ITN does post "popular" items, like its obsession with WP:MINIMUMDEATHS.—Bagumba (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment Is this looking like there'll be any actual consensus? Because there's two users literally harassing anyone who dares oppose and it's at half the page, so make a decision soon. Kingsif (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Comment – Article says that after Carpenter's first wife Oneida died, "he and his second wife continued visiting the campus for major events" – but doesn't identify the second wife, nor does the cited article. – Sca (talk) 13:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sca: Unfortunately, none of the articles published today mention his second wife's name. Nor do any of the reliable sources I've searched through. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Support A complete BLP, and his professional career is well documented here. Contrary to some points above: being a president of not one, but two public universities is quite an accomplishment in itself. The bureaucratic and academic wrangling to pull that off is not a common skill, and having multiple architectures named after not only himself, but his family attests to that.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
@Martinevans123: No minimum length beyond not a stub, but "Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items." My main problem with this is that the subject's notability is not well demonstrated with sources independent of her, her family and her agency. Only Refs 6, 7, 12 and a few others repeating Branson's press release about her death are remotely independent. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Weak oppose A shade brief; any additional information about the Eve Branson Foundation beyond the 1 sentence currently there? Spencer17:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Support Perhaps the article has been improved since the above comments, but I find this to be a well- and diversly-sourced, complete and succinct BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Twenty-two workers are trapped in a gold mine in Qixia, east China's Shandong province after an explosion tore through the mine at 2:00 p.m. (Xinhua News)(South China Morning Post)
Six inmates escape from a jail in California. Their whereabouts are unknown and being sought by California police. The six men are considered to be armed and dangerous. (WGNTV)
Legislative elections are held in Kazakhstan. The election is criticized for a lack of opposition to the leading party Nur Otan and is therefore expected to be considered neither free nor fair by international observers. (Radio Free Europe)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Comment Added a cn tag (feel free to remove if wrong), also, I'm not sure if it's standard for sources to be mid sentence instead of at the end, as this article is full of these, but correct me if I'm wrong. Gex4pls (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment. A great deal more sourcing is needed. Nothing wrong with citations mid sentence if the last part is covered by something else, but this is not the case for much of this article. The section on his later life is very bitty. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A little brief - death only just announced so hopefully some more obits will be published which can be used for expansion. MurielMary (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment. I made some cursory edits to improve some of the references formats and try to tie in some of the info better. But there's also a dead link that I couldn't revive and some PDFs and primary sources that I didn't have time to amend. Tunestoons (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment. Not checked in detail. Still fairly short, particularly given how much of the article is given over to relatives, wedding guests and details of her death -- in general her personal notability apart from her family isn't well developed. I particularly don't like bulking the lead with all her notable relatives, it makes her look less notable for her own achievements. "ecame a champion tennis player and athlete in her youth" is intriguing; more details would be interesting. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Support I found a new source for the PDF (10, supports Tufts charity work), and deleted the dead link (3, supports wedding guests). The latter was redundant because the information is referenced in the source immediately following (was 4, now 3, NY Times special on the marraige). All other refs look good, BLP details are complete.130.233.213.199 (talk) 09:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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