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	I do not think we need to be separating out single paragraphs into multiple sections as per {{u\|X4n6}}'s . If more content was added to the sections, then I think it would make sense. I also do not think that "Teaching and private practice" is a good title for his early career, as it seemed to be mostly him as a law professor as American University. – ] (]) 12:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)		I do not think we need to be separating out single paragraphs into multiple sections as per {{u\|X4n6}}'s . If more content was added to the sections, then I think it would make sense. I also do not think that "Teaching and private practice" is a good title for his early career, as it seemed to be mostly him as a law professor as American University. – ] (]) 12:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
	:Several concerns. I don't think it's a good idea to be warring. I tried to tell you that, yet you . Also, you need to understand that you are misusing OVERSECTIION. It is an MOS, not a policy. ''Meaning it's just a guideline, not a policy.'' It's never a good idea to treat guidelines as policy. Finally, since you work on BLPs, I'm sure you're well aware that it's standard format to list Early life and education as a single heading, followed by early career or some variation. You didn't seem to like "private practice" to distinguish from all of his public service. You interjected his teaching. Fine. But then you also didn't seem to like "Teaching and private practice." I suppose you would also dislike giving them separate titles. There, I would agree. So offer an acceptable heading that addresses his teaching and private practice and we can discuss it. But throwing the 4 cats of early life, education, teaching and private practice all under one generic heading of "early life" just doesn't cut it. ] (]) 12:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)		:Several concerns. I don't think it's a good idea to be warring. I tried to tell you that, yet you . Also, you need to understand that you are misusing OVERSECTIION. It is an MOS, not a policy. ''Meaning it's just a guideline, not a policy.'' It's never a good idea to treat guidelines as policy. Finally, since you work on BLPs, I'm sure you're well aware that it's standard format to list Early life and education as a single heading, followed by early career or some variation. You didn't seem to like "private practice" to distinguish from all of his public service. You interjected his teaching. Fine. But then you also didn't seem to like "Teaching and private practice." I suppose you would also dislike giving them separate titles. There, I would agree. So offer an acceptable heading that addresses his teaching and private practice and we can discuss it. But throwing the 4 cats of early life, education, teaching and private practice all under one generic heading of "early life" just doesn't cut it. ] (]) 12:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::As someone who frequently edits BLPs, I am not aware of the standard format you mention, especially for short BLPs. If you have some sources about Raskin's early life, I would definitely be willing to help add content so that additional sections would be more appropriate. Please also note that I clearly called ] a guideline in my edit summary, and ] explains that our community guidelines are "sets of best practices supported by consensus. Editors should attempt to follow guidelines". The guideline for sections says, "{{tq\|Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading}}". The fact that you are edit warring over your personal belief about what a "standard format" should be while ignoring community guidelines in the MOS is strange to me. I would have no objection to changing "Early life" to something else such as "Early life and career". I think "Early life, education, and career" is a little wordy, but if you feel strongly that "Early life" is not adequate, I would prefer a slightly longer heading than two one-paragraph sections. What do you think? – ] (]) 22:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Raskin's role in impeachment is leadworthy

and this edit should be restored IMO

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Jamie_Raskin&diff=1005866909&oldid=1005866699

soibangla (talk) 00:34, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The lead should "summarize the most important points" of the article, while the impeachment proceedings seem to be a relatively minor aspect of his life. While it is in the news right now a lot, is it going to be a major aspect of how he is described by reliable sources in the future compared to some of his other activities? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Obviously none of us have a crystal ball to know for sure, but Adam Schiff's similar role in Trump's first impeachment isn't part of his article lede. Carter (talk) 02:34, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Wallyfromdilbert|talk, I would argue yes, as elsewhere in the article it says that days after his son died, and hours after the Capitol storming, where he was present, he sat down to write an article of impeachment, and amid all that, days later Pelosi named him lead manager. I'd argue that's a major series of events in his life. soibangla (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd say that just in terms of notability, it can be mentioned in the lead. Comparing to Schiff, Raskin's congressional tenure is shorter, and he's not a chairman of a committee, the way Schiff is, which is mentioned in Schiff's intro. So I think a sentence about his tenure in congress is fine, and right now that would mention this impeachment proceedings.-- Patrick, _oѺ 16:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:OVERSECTION

I do not think we need to be separating out single paragraphs into multiple sections as per X4n6's edit. If more content was added to the sections, then I think it would make sense. I also do not think that "Teaching and private practice" is a good title for his early career, as it seemed to be mostly him as a law professor as American University. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 12:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Several concerns. I don't think it's a good idea to be warring. I tried to tell you that, yet you persisted. Also, you need to understand that you are misusing OVERSECTIION. It is an MOS, not a policy. Meaning it's just a guideline, not a policy. It's never a good idea to treat guidelines as policy. Finally, since you work on BLPs, I'm sure you're well aware that it's standard format to list Early life and education as a single heading, followed by early career or some variation. You didn't seem to like "private practice" to distinguish from all of his public service. You interjected his teaching. Fine. But then you also didn't seem to like "Teaching and private practice." I suppose you would also dislike giving them separate titles. There, I would agree. So offer an acceptable heading that addresses his teaching and private practice and we can discuss it. But throwing the 4 cats of early life, education, teaching and private practice all under one generic heading of "early life" just doesn't cut it. X4n6 (talk) 12:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

As someone who frequently edits BLPs, I am not aware of the standard format you mention, especially for short BLPs. If you have some sources about Raskin's early life, I would definitely be willing to help add content so that additional sections would be more appropriate. Please also note that I clearly called WP:OVERSECTION a guideline in my edit summary, and WP:GUIDES explains that our community guidelines are "sets of best practices supported by consensus. Editors should attempt to follow guidelines". The guideline for sections says, "Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading". The fact that you are edit warring over your personal belief about what a "standard format" should be while ignoring community guidelines in the MOS is strange to me. I would have no objection to changing "Early life" to something else such as "Early life and career". I think "Early life, education, and career" is a little wordy, but if you feel strongly that "Early life" is not adequate, I would prefer a slightly longer heading than two one-paragraph sections. What do you think? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Revision as of 16:54, 10 February 2021 editPatrickneil (talk \| contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers22,016 edits →Raskin's role in impeachment is leadworthy: yes, it's notable← Previous edit		Revision as of 22:44, 10 February 2021 edit undoNotwally (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers22,206 edits →WP:OVERSECTION: rNext edit →
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	I do not think we need to be separating out single paragraphs into multiple sections as per {{u\|X4n6}}'s . If more content was added to the sections, then I think it would make sense. I also do not think that "Teaching and private practice" is a good title for his early career, as it seemed to be mostly him as a law professor as American University. – ] (]) 12:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)		I do not think we need to be separating out single paragraphs into multiple sections as per {{u\|X4n6}}'s . If more content was added to the sections, then I think it would make sense. I also do not think that "Teaching and private practice" is a good title for his early career, as it seemed to be mostly him as a law professor as American University. – ] (]) 12:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
	:Several concerns. I don't think it's a good idea to be warring. I tried to tell you that, yet you . Also, you need to understand that you are misusing OVERSECTIION. It is an MOS, not a policy. ''Meaning it's just a guideline, not a policy.'' It's never a good idea to treat guidelines as policy. Finally, since you work on BLPs, I'm sure you're well aware that it's standard format to list Early life and education as a single heading, followed by early career or some variation. You didn't seem to like "private practice" to distinguish from all of his public service. You interjected his teaching. Fine. But then you also didn't seem to like "Teaching and private practice." I suppose you would also dislike giving them separate titles. There, I would agree. So offer an acceptable heading that addresses his teaching and private practice and we can discuss it. But throwing the 4 cats of early life, education, teaching and private practice all under one generic heading of "early life" just doesn't cut it. ] (]) 12:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)		:Several concerns. I don't think it's a good idea to be warring. I tried to tell you that, yet you . Also, you need to understand that you are misusing OVERSECTIION. It is an MOS, not a policy. ''Meaning it's just a guideline, not a policy.'' It's never a good idea to treat guidelines as policy. Finally, since you work on BLPs, I'm sure you're well aware that it's standard format to list Early life and education as a single heading, followed by early career or some variation. You didn't seem to like "private practice" to distinguish from all of his public service. You interjected his teaching. Fine. But then you also didn't seem to like "Teaching and private practice." I suppose you would also dislike giving them separate titles. There, I would agree. So offer an acceptable heading that addresses his teaching and private practice and we can discuss it. But throwing the 4 cats of early life, education, teaching and private practice all under one generic heading of "early life" just doesn't cut it. ] (]) 12:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
			::As someone who frequently edits BLPs, I am not aware of the standard format you mention, especially for short BLPs. If you have some sources about Raskin's early life, I would definitely be willing to help add content so that additional sections would be more appropriate. Please also note that I clearly called ] a guideline in my edit summary, and ] explains that our community guidelines are "sets of best practices supported by consensus. Editors should attempt to follow guidelines". The guideline for sections says, "{{tq\|Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading}}". The fact that you are edit warring over your personal belief about what a "standard format" should be while ignoring community guidelines in the MOS is strange to me. I would have no objection to changing "Early life" to something else such as "Early life and career". I think "Early life, education, and career" is a little wordy, but if you feel strongly that "Early life" is not adequate, I would prefer a slightly longer heading than two one-paragraph sections. What do you think? – ] (]) 22:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)