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Question from DoremusSchau (17:40, 4 February 2023)

Greetings!

I have a hobby of plotting geolocation paths specifically for trains and roadways, and saving them as KML files

I would like to know - is attaching KML files to train and transportation pages is permitted and or even welcome?

If so, I would appreciate guidance on approaching those types of page communities, specifically European train/rail pages to begin with.

Thank you - Doremus --DoremusSchau (talk) 17:40, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@DoremusSchau Gosh, I don't think I'm the right person to ask. I'm not really sure what a KML file is. You'll have better luck asking at the Helpdesk or Teahouse I imagine. CaptainEek ⚓ 18:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Saarshalom (14:11, 8 February 2023)

Can you make sure to find someone else to replace you , since you don't have time. FOR: assigned for ME an experienced editor to answer questions about editing? --Saarshalom (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Saarshalom I suggest you try User:Nick Moyes or User:Cullen328 :) CaptainEek ⚓ 18:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@Saarshalom I have left a welcome message on your talk page, with links to helpful guidance and a 'Teach Yourself' introduction to the basics of editing. You can ask us specific questions about editing if you cannot find the answers yourself. You can do this either at the Teahouse where a number of 'hosts' are available to give you answers or point you in the right direction 24/7. Alternatively, you may leave a question on my own userpage (noting I will not be available between 10th to 13th February) and I will do my best to assist you. The more specific you can be about the help you need, the better we can assist you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jawaad Hussaiyn (00:58, 14 February 2023)

I can't edit the article related to Malhun Hatun. How can I? There are many changes that are needed there. --Jawaad Hussaiyn (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jawaad Hussaiyn I'm afraid your account is too new to edit about her yet. What are you looking to write about regarding her? CaptainEek ⚓ 01:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

note re active item

hi. just want to let you know, I have marked the wikiproject below as semi-active. thanks.

• Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Navigation templates

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from Wagtail66 (16:56, 17 February 2023)

Hi CaptainEek!

Due to my usage of tor I was unable to create an account in the conventional way so I submitted an account creation request form.

Today my request was accepted and an account was created for me.

I received the following message on my account: "Your user rights were changed. You have been added to: ‪IP block exemptions‬.".

However when I tried publishing my first edited article today but got autoblocked immidiately and got an error message due to my usage of tor.

I am able to access my Misplaced Pages account normally. The only issue is when I try publishing my edit I get this error.

I use tor to access Misplaced Pages because I live in a country where human rights are violated.

I hope you can help me resolve this issue.

Thank you very much. --Wagtail66 (talk) 16:56, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that I only recieve this error when I try to edit a non-english Misplaced Pages article. I would like to contribute to Misplaced Pages by editing articles in other languages as well. Thanks again. Wagtail66 (talk) 08:33, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Wagtail66 IP block exemption is language by language, as each is their own separate wiki. So you'll have to ask on the other languages you wish to edit. CaptainEek ⚓ 04:57, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from The Original Benny C (12:11, 19 February 2023)

Hi Captain Eek, I've had a positive experience with Misplaced Pages for the most part but am having trouble in one area that I am seeking input on. I wrote the article on Synthography https://en.wikipedia.org/Synthography but there seems to be a witch hunt out to discredit the article as something that needs to be merged with another article, making questionable claims that there aren't enough sources or content, which I believe to be false. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Artificial_intelligence_art#merging_synthography_article_proposal

I believe the Synthography article is about a distinct term with distinct content whereas the Artificial Intelligence Art page is a much broader overall category. I even show this in a Venn diagram in my article. Can you please review, let me know what else I can do to improve my article, and if you agree, close the merge request and message about merging on the Synthography page? I know I can do some of that myself but I want to make sure that there is objectivity here and no potential conflicts of interest. If anything is in need of clarification, please let me know. Thanks! --The Original Benny C (talk) 12:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

The Original Benny C So I can't give you an authorizatative yes/no. First, I suggest you read about dispute resolution processes. Second, the merge discussion hasn't been very well attended, and I don't see a WP:CONSENSUS for any particular action. Third, I think the article (not your article, nobody WP:OWNs articles) may have a problem with WP: NEOLOGISM. I'm just not sure "synthography" is in wide enough use to qualify for an article. The difficulty in describing it seems to be a symptom of that. Like, what really is synthography? I don't think the article or the sources answer that. So it's a bit of a buzzword, and we don't tend to write about buzzwords. But if you can explain it better/find some more sources that talk about it, that'd be helpful! CaptainEek ⚓ 05:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok thank-you! The Original Benny C (talk) 05:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from Glowingantelope (01:13, 20 February 2023)

Hi! Nice to meet you.

Quick question - How does Misplaced Pages determine which articles to suggest I edit? Is there an algorithm that detects the most poorly written articles? Just curious! Thank you. --Glowingantelope (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Glowingantelope The suggestions are pulled using maintenance templates and some algorithm work, I believe. The maintenance templates are the things you'll see on top of articles like "not enough citations." Hope that helps! CaptainEek ⚓ 04:52, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Glowingantelope (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

FAC?

Moved here, as it was getting pretty off topic.

Speaking of which CaptainEek, when might FAC expect to be graced again with one of your nominations? Gog the Mild (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Gog the Mild, Well I was hoping to take Gallic Wars but it has way too much citation work :( I tried to take it to A but it just didn't work out. But I'm working on Capture of Columbia, which I think will be FA worthy! CaptainEek ⚓ 22:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I've had a look at Gallic Wars too . But decided that I would need to FAC half a dozen of its battles and sieges first as a warm-up exercise. I may get round to it, but at the moment I am kept busy working through the battles of the Second Punic War. Columbia looks pretty interesting, although currently its very dependant on a single source, and a nearly 50-years-old one at that. Remember for FAC you need "a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature". Otherwise it seems in good shape. Good luck with it. If you have queries, Hog Farm is both very helpful and up to speed with that war. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Gog the Mild hehe yeah the sourcing will be a challenge. I'm going through this book first, as it is the most dedicated. But I'll be trying to find some other works to supplement it. The trouble is it hasn't been very well written about in the last 50 years. But I wanted to at least write and expand the article; the previous version was pretty incorrect. I actually got put into this topic in the first place cus I saw a TikTok claiming Sherman had ordered the city burned to the ground, which seemed clearly wrong. In fact it was TikTok that got me to redo Gallic Wars, so shout-out to TikTok misinfo I guess? CaptainEek ⚓ 23:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Theseodoctors (05:06, 28 February 2023)

Hello Sir,

I want to create my profile here. Please help me, how to create. --Theseodoctors (talk) 05:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@Theseodoctors What do you mean create a profile? CaptainEek ⚓ 05:30, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

ANI closure request

Hi CaptainEek,

Sorry if this is a breach of protocol, but frankly I just want the ANI case to be over with as I've spent the last 10 days stressed out of my mind over it and no admin has stepped in yet so I figured I should just ask directly. Could you review and close it? Or ask another admin to? Seems to be stable at this point. Sorry it's a novel lol TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@TheTranarchist I've seen this. I'll get back to you as soon as I can :) CaptainEek ⚓ 20:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@CaptainEek Thank you for your detailed thorough close. If it's not too late to ask, might it be possible that the TBAN be on GENSEX BLPS/BLPGROUPS specifically, since nobody raised issues with my GENSEX edits outside that intersection, despite repeated requests that people point to them if they called for a full GENSEX ban? TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I saw your message on my talk page just after I posted this lol. Also, to clarify, does the TBAN extend to talk pages as well or just mainspace? TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@TheTranarchist I understand your concern. But that was not the community consensus. Editors felt that your problematic editing extended to the topic area as a whole, and I did not see convincing evidence that the problem was limited to BLPs. Certainly, some aspects were more problematic in the BLP realm. But that was not the sole issue. To your second reply, yes, that extends to talk pages as well. In general, topic bans are "broadly construed", which means that you should not touch any aspect remotely related to your topic ban, be it talk pages, user pages, internal discussions, and so on. The penalty for breaking a topic ban is escalating blocks depending on the severity of the breach. CaptainEek ⚓ 20:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand that Editors felt that your problematic editing extended to the topic area as a whole - but none provided any evidence that was the case, and consensus depends on arguments as well as proportion.

Also, an additional question since I don't want to run afoul of the TBAN, does it extend to my personal draft space? TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, does it extend to GENSEX related ANI cases? Since I was planning to file a case against Springee based of their tendentious editing in the area.

Sorry for the questions lol, I just want to make sure I know exactly what is and isn't covered. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) This may have been answered privately, but I want to make sure the question about filing conduct cases related to the topic area doesn't get lost in the shuffle. I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, that's something covered by your TBAN. Eek can speak up if I'm wrong. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that's an accurate characterization. Editors pointed out that you had issues on non-BLP pages like Genspect and Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism. And yes, it includes draft space. If you have current drafts, no need to delete them. But just don't touch them. And no worries, I'm happy to answer questions :) CaptainEek ⚓ 20:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Per Genspect and FAIR though, those are BLPGROUPS, many editors commended my editing in the topic area generally. I recognize I fucked up on BLPs and BLPGROUPs, but none raised concerns with articles/edits that weren't specifically either a BLP or BLPGROUP, and I thought if a ban were to happen it would be on those and I could still be able to carry on my uncontroversial GENSEX work like WP:USALGBT, Conversion therapy, Detransition, etc. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

And I'm 100% sure none raised issues on non-BLP / non-BLPGROUPs because I extensively listed every article/edit people raised concerns about (on my own notepad) and repeatedly challenged editors (including those who left dozens of comments on my behavior for anything they could think of) to list a single edit outside of the intersection there were issues with, to which none ever did. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@TheTranarchist I think I might have a solution. A number of editors at the thread suggested a timed topic ban. So would you object to a six month topic ban from all of GENSEX, and an indefinite BLP/BLPGROUP ban? CaptainEek ⚓ 21:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Since the current close is for an indefinite (at least 6 month) GENSEX ban, that seems more restrictive than the original close, and restricts me from editing BLP/BLPGROUPS completely unrelated to GENSEX, which nobody raised issues about.

Additionally, while I don't have the bandwidth atm for a review of the votes, would it be acceptable for me to present you sometime tonight/tomorrow with a breakdown that lists the acceptable closes and issues raised by each later? TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:27, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@TheTranarchist In that case, then I will let the current close stand. And no, I would not like an analysis. I am open to reasonable concerns about the action taken, and have expressed a willingness to tweak it. But since you find that still objectionable, then there is nothing I can do for you. This is not a negotiation. CaptainEek ⚓ 21:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

That's fair. I am not completely opposed to a TBAN, I just want it to be in the areas that editors actually raised concerns about and not overly broad. I would even be fine with an indefinite general BLP/BLPGROUP TBAN as long as my uncontroversial unrelated GENSEX edits are taken into consideration. Could you independently do a review to see if any editors have raised any edit/article outside the intersection of BLP/BLPGROUP and GENSEX that has issues? If you find a single one I have no issues with the full GENSEX TBAN, but otherwise I would hope you reconsider narrowing the TBAN to the specific area editors expressed concerns about. Red-Tailed Hawk, who IMO provided the best evidence of issues, later amended their vote to be clear they thought the intersection was the issue rather than all of GENSEX, after many had cited them in favor of a GENSEX ban. TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi CaptainEek, sorry to both you again, don't worry I'm not here to re-litigate lol, I wish the whole mess could have gone through AE at the start, but I respect your difficult close and you for making it and bringing the whole sorry ordeal to a close! I just have a few questions for moving forward:

• 1) Could you leave your thoughts on my question at the Administrator's noticeboard? I want there to be a centralized list of what I'll need to have demonstrated by my appeal and would greatly appreciate your input!
• 2) Could you point me to where I can ask whether topics would fall under GENSEX? I don't want to run afoul of the TBAN so want to know where I can make sure things I write about aren't covered.
• 3) Per the comments from other contributors at the AN (and ANI for that matter), could you strike the RGW comment from the close? While I certainly fucked up, particularly on anti-trans WP:BLPs and WP:ORGs, I'm not alone in believing that RGW was not the applicable WP:UPPERCASE, as I have thus far taken great pride in combating WP:FRINGE and WP:RGW, not promoting it.
• 4) Does the Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism count as GENSEX? Talk page consensus there was that they are not an anti-trans organization and their dealings with trans topics are not notable enough for the lead, so I want to be sure whether I should avoid it or not.

• Relatedly, please look into the COI at that page with JWeiss11 I emailed arb-com details of over a month ago. While my behavior was problematic, I think a review would show they have edited with a COI that has clearly effected their editing, and it should at a minimum be disclosed. I'm still not over the fact that an editor who deadnamed Brianna Ghey, pushed race science, and edited with an undisclosed COI, has yet to face any sanctions of any kind and was able to accuse me of having polar political perspectives that merited a full GENSEX ban.

• 5) Finally, since it seems to have gotten lost in the mix, could you confirm whether or not the TBAN extend to GENSEX-related ANI cases? If allowed, I would restrict my comments to just 1 per case.

Best, TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:38, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

As a heads up, I've logged the relevant sanction at Misplaced Pages:Editing restrictions/Placed by the Misplaced Pages community in line with your close. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2023 March newsletter

So ends the first round of the 2023 WikiCup. Everyone with a positive score moved on to Round 2, with 54 contestants qualifying. The top scorers in Round 1 were:

• Unlimitedlead with 1205 points, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with two featured articles on historical figures and several featured article candidate reviews.
• Epicgenius was in second place with 789 points; a seasoned WikiCup competitor he specialises in buildings and locations in New York.
• FrB.TG was in third place with 625 points, garnered from a featured article on a filmmaker which qualified for an impressive number of bonus points.
• TheJoebro64, another WikiCup newcomer, came next with 600 points gained from two featured articles on video games.
• Iazyges was in fifth place with 532 points, from two featured articles on classical history.

The top sixteen contestants at the end of Round 1 had all scored over 300 points; these included LunaEatsTuna, Thebiguglyalien, Sammi Brie, Trainsandotherthings, Lee Vilenski, Juxlos, Unexpectedlydian, SounderBruce, Kosack, BennyOnTheLoose and PCN02WPS. It was a high-scoring start to the competition.

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