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	== ~~pov~~ ~~tag~~ on ~~purist~~ ==		== Not much about the man ==

		⚫	While this article covers some professional info, it lacks pertinent information about the Eric the man. His publicly stated views from 2001 to present day have caused controversy and have been extremely important in defining how he is viewed in the real world. I think to leave out such important details makes the article incomplete and borders on ]. --] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 19:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	I am not sure I agree that this is non-neutral, though I suppose it could be seen that way. I chose the word because I needed to describe someone who thinks that changes should not have been made. I understand the issue that is raised but can't think of a better word at the moment. Alternate edits invited. ] (]) 21:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
	:Maybe we should use no adjective at all, and just describe what he did. --] 12:34, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
	::If you can find a wording that you like and that doesn't enrage someone else, I personally have no objection. Just can't seem to generate an alternate myself. ] (]) 23:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

			:Now that he's publicly supporting neofascist Vox Day's so-called SJW list as a blacklist in tech (source: https://plus.google.com/+EricRaymond/posts/Wp1ycW9MZrV ) I think this got a lot more relevant. (Quote from the post: "Name them and shame them. Do not hire them unless you want your organization politically disrupted and its productivity destroyed.") ] (]) 18:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
	== tag on reference to Linus' Law ==
			::I dispute and reject your characterization of Vox Day as a "neofascist". "Fascist" is commonly used as an epithet without definition by anyone that left-wing fanatics want to smear. Shame on you. ] (]) 16:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
			Why does this page cite Sarah Jeong, who is an anti-white racist? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:44, 8 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:: Eric, you need to seriously stay away from editing this page. It is extremely important that subjects of articles not be involved in the creation and editing of that article. You have shown repeatedly that you cannot sustain a ] and that you absolutely will not ], both cornerstones of Misplaced Pages. Also, please, for god's sake, sign your talk page posts by adding four tildes at the end of your messages. Just like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> <span style="text-shadow:2px 2px 4px red;">]</span><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px blue;"><small>]</small></span> 15:14, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

		⚫	==Subject of article being cited==
	Actually, I agree that the reference is an example of the law being cited and does not, if you want to be picky, back up that it is often cited. However, the law is very much "in reference provided." ] (]) 21:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
		⚫	. Some of these sources and the statements backed by them may not be suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages per ]. Many self-published sources are fine - I did not check these. ]] 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
		⚫	:If I read the rules correctly, none of these instances ''clearly'' violates the ''letter'' of ]. However, I suspect it's a violation of the ''spirit'' of the guidelines to have an article of this size where 12 out of 23 sources cited were written and/or are controlled by the subject. Anyone else think we should condense this a bit?
		⚫	:I'm not suggesting we need to be drastic; just gently cut some of the blubber. Consider, for example, the sentence about "Linus' Law," a failed self-promotional neologism that has never had any uptake. If we cut just this one sentence, the number of WP:SELFPUB sources would drop from 12/23 to 11/22, i. e. ''to a mere 50%''. ] (]) 09:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

	== ~~Not~~ ~~much about the man~~ ==		== Page closed ==

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⚫	While this article covers some professional info, it lacks pertinent information about the Eric the man. His publicly stated views from 2001 to present day have caused controversy and have been extremely important in defining how he is viewed in the real world. I think to leave out such important details makes the article incomplete and borders on ].
			* An article's subject is not entitled to control its contents. - ] (]) 21:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
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	The information on Nedanet and Raymond's involvement in it is false and doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages, IMO. It's a made-up self-promotional material. First of all he didn't "help found" anything. He only joined the team as a spokesperson , but most importantly, this vague project never really existed outside of a static website (which is a dead link for some time now). You can't find anything about this project from any credible third party sources.] (]) 19:56, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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	:Well, the hoax existed. Shouldn't the article mention that? This is part of what ESR really is. --] 17:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
	::Perhaps the article should talk about it but a better source is needed to back the claim. The source you cite here is just an incidental mention. Do you have a better explanation? ]] 17:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
	:::I'll have to do some research. I remember the hoax and the hype at the time, with some sites (Misplaced Pages included) just reverberating Eric's self-promotion. --] 05:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
	:::The hype was documented at a ] I started at the time. --] 13:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
	::::{{u\|Damiens.rf}} The problem here is just the sourcing. It only takes one good source to back a statement. was mostly from self-published sources. Add something again, except this time omit those sources and have a citation for whatever you add. ]] 14:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 14:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
	== Anarcho-Capitalism and Libertarian ==

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			Hello fellow Wikipedians,
	Is there any reason at all to think that his political views are at all notable? In my opinion the whole section on his politics should be deleted. Right now his own blog is being cited as support, which I think violates the guidelines on using primary sources. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:20, 5 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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⚫	. Some of these sources and the statements backed by them may not be suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages per ]. Many self-published sources are fine - I did not check these. ]] 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

⚫	:If I read the rules correctly, none of these instances ''clearly'' violates the ''letter'' of ]. However, I suspect it's a violation of the ''spirit'' of the guidelines to have an article of this size where 12 out of 23 sources cited were written and/or are controlled by the subject. Anyone else think we should condense this a bit?
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⚫	:I'm not suggesting we need to be drastic; just gently cut some of the blubber. Consider, for example, the sentence about "Linus' Law," a failed self-promotional neologism that has never had any uptake. If we cut just this one sentence, the number of WP:SELFPUB sources would drop from 12/23 to 11/22, i. e. ''to a mere 50%''. ] (]) 09:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 13:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

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Not much about the man

While this article covers some professional info, it lacks pertinent information about the Eric the man. His publicly stated views from 2001 to present day have caused controversy and have been extremely important in defining how he is viewed in the real world. I think to leave out such important details makes the article incomplete and borders on Whitewash_(censorship). --Exohuman (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Now that he's publicly supporting neofascist Vox Day's so-called SJW list as a blacklist in tech (source: https://plus.google.com/+EricRaymond/posts/Wp1ycW9MZrV ) I think this got a lot more relevant. (Quote from the post: "Name them and shame them. Do not hire them unless you want your organization politically disrupted and its productivity destroyed.") 173.160.243.46 (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I dispute and reject your characterization of Vox Day as a "neofascist". "Fascist" is commonly used as an epithet without definition by anyone that left-wing fanatics want to smear. Shame on you. 2601:647:4F00:39CA:CDF4:F3E9:8F3F:1A08 (talk) 16:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Why does this page cite Sarah Jeong, who is an anti-white racist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5C35:94E6:1D8A:CD19:144E:928C (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Eric, you need to seriously stay away from editing this page. It is extremely important that subjects of articles not be involved in the creation and editing of that article. You have shown repeatedly that you cannot sustain a WP:NPOV and that you absolutely will not assume good faith, both cornerstones of Misplaced Pages. Also, please, for god's sake, sign your talk page posts by adding four tildes at the end of your messages. Just like this ~~~~ MrAureliusR_Talk! 15:14, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Subject of article being cited

The subject of the article authored many of the sources cited here. Some of these sources and the statements backed by them may not be suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages per WP:SELFPUBLISH. Many self-published sources are fine - I did not check these. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

If I read the rules correctly, none of these instances clearly violates the letter of WP:SELFPUB. However, I suspect it's a violation of the spirit of the guidelines to have an article of this size where 12 out of 23 sources cited were written and/or are controlled by the subject. Anyone else think we should condense this a bit?

I'm not suggesting we need to be drastic; just gently cut some of the blubber. Consider, for example, the sentence about "Linus' Law," a failed self-promotional neologism that has never had any uptake. If we cut just this one sentence, the number of WP:SELFPUB sources would drop from 12/23 to 11/22, i. e. to a mere 50%. Weirvile (talk) 09:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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An article's subject is not entitled to control its contents. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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