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Re: Submarine Escape Immersion Suit

Thanks for the notice about the "Did you know" article for the Submarine Escape Immersion Equipment. You might want to change the wording slightly, referring to the U.S. Navy. The SEIS is actually used by several Western navies, not just the U.S. Navy. In fact I need to update the article to explain that. ●DanMS • Talk 00:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for rewriting the blurb

Your revision of the Eurosia DYK got the blurb on the front page, which wouldn't have happened otherwise. Thank you for the effort and generosity in helping to correct my work. I'm still kind of new around here and am grateful for all you and the other people at the DYK have done to help he along. Thanks again. John Carter 14:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Kuppalli DYK

Can you please look into this? Thanks. - KNM 04:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there were any objections to this DYK nom in particular; it's just that we had too many from 12 March that we couldn't use all of them, that's all. Also, it doesn't help that this excess happened on a weekend when there were fewer people to do updates. Really, there were only three updates in the last 24 hours, when there should be four (I happened to do them all too, and I gotta sleep sometime). Sorry yours just didn't get picked. howcheng {chat} 05:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But is it too late to be still considered for the next-update? I believe, not. Can you please put into next-update? - KNM 06:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the rules, it's too late now. Your expansion on the 13th was not five-fold. If it had originally been a stub and you expanded it a lot, I would say yes, but ... I feel bad because two of the ones that are on the Main Page now were my own noms (please note I didn't move them into the Next Update page myself), but if I put it up now, others will complain that it's too old and that it's taking the place of another nom that should be getting its chance. Sorry. howcheng {chat} 06:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...okay. :(

Thank you, anyway! :) - KNM 06:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Characters of Final Fantasy VIII

Replied on the template talk page. — Deckiller 17:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hook

• I hope you don't mind, I fixed my "hook" on DYK and consolidated the comments, but left a note that I was using your alternate one. Thanks again! Yours, Smee 18:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

DYK

I think it was wrong of you to change today's picture slot of WP:DYK because of copyright concerns regardíng Image:Муромцев.jpg. The photo was taken more than 100 years ago, and has been in the public domain for many, many, years. I'd like to ask you to revert your change. Camptown 19:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but per WP:IUP all images require a source and a license. Without a source, there is no way for us to verify that the picture is what it says it is and that the license is valid. How do I know that this image isn't from the 1950s for example? I'm not about to put an image on the Main Page where the source and/or licensing is uncertain. howcheng {chat}

Wikiproject Actors and Filmakers

Hey see my proposals at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Proposals and the main WP Film and Biography talk page. Know anybody who is interested? Actors and all film people articles need a body on wikipedia to upkeep them asthey need more focus -it would be a part of Biogrpahy and Film. If you are interested or know somebody who would be, please let them know and whether you think it is a good progession for the project or not. Please leave your views at the council or biogrpahy main talk page. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ 14:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:FP

I am not a photographer. Do I have any images at User:TonyTheTiger/Photographs that may be WP:FP worthy? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

If my question was a little unruly I could limit my request to Image:IMG 0837.JPG, an early construction photo of Trump Tower Chicago and Image:20061022 Cornell Stone Hyde Park.JPG, a photo of the Paul Cornell (Chicago) stone. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 21:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think any of your photos has FP written on it. The Trump Tower shows the windowsill of where you are standing in the lower left, and the stone is kind of boring (besides having a distracting background). FPs are not easy to do, unless you are an accomplished photographer or very very lucky. I think out of all the photos I've ever taken, only a few are even possible FP candidates (and even then, they're all on film so I'm not nominating them here). howcheng {chat} 22:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I presume you mean the black triangle in the lower right. Couldn't that be cropped out without much loss? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 00:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Not really. If you draw a horizontal line starting at the uppermost portion of the windowsill across the picture, you'd lose a lot of the building. howcheng {chat} 01:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 20 March, 2007, a fact from the article Noah Lottick, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Smee 02:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• I know, I had written the initial nom, but you helped fix it, so thank you! Yours, Smee 02:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Flickr licensing

I have become increasingly uncomfortable with my personal photos being available under a free license, thus I have changed the Flickr default. I will license pretty much any Flickr photo of mine under any free license someone wishes, the exception being photos of people I personally know. If it is a photo of a non-human subject, you can assume that it is available under GFDL and CC-By-SA without having to ask. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 21:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

NRHP collaboration

Template:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places current collaboration IvoShandor 06:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK Bodawpaya

Thanks Howard. Is Bodawpaya in the Guinness Book of Records , I don't know? I just wondered. Wagaung 08:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I searched the Guinness World Records site for Bodawpaya but didn't find anything, so I'm guessing probably not. howcheng {chat} 16:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD

I was in the midst of adding Catalina cruz to the AfD for Catalina Cruz when you closed the latter. Is there an easy way to either add it to the existing AfD or should I speedy it? Thanks! --Mhking 15:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You can't G4 it because it's somewhat expanded from the first time I speedied it (it was a one-sentence article at the time: "Catalina Cruz is a porn star"), and I don't know if it's A7-able either. The way it's listed now as a 2nd nomination AFD works just fine. howcheng {chat} 16:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I finally figured it out. (rolling eyes) Thanks for the heads up.... --Mhking 16:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...

... for your nom suggestion. I hope you don't mind, I incorporated your suggestions directly into the nom, and credited you for your helpful advice. Thanks again for your time! Yours, Smee 21:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Not at all. We've been lamenting the lack of really interesting hooks lately, so I've been making an effort to spice them up where I can. Glad to have been of service. howcheng {chat} 21:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

FPC reshooting

Please revisit Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Timothy Blackstone Bronze Plaque and reconsider your vote. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 14:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Riverside Hotel (Reno)

Just to let you know I have tagged Riverside Hotel (Reno) for speedy deletion as a copy of http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/nevada/riv.htm. Pan Dan 17:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Tag removed as it has been explained the source material is in the public domain. Pan Dan 17:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Inactivity notification

You have been declared an inactive user and your name will be removed from the newsletter distribution and the projects you were a member of. If this is in error, please contact me on my talk page. Do not restore your name to the list. Regards, Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 21:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Updating DYKs

Thank you for the help with that. Don't forget to leave messages on article's talk as well as notify the creators/nominators to spread good feelings all around :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  06:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I know, I sometimes can't get to it right when do the Main Page updates. For instance tonight, I was getting my kids up to bed and I planned to do the notifications afterwards, which isn't until now. howcheng {chat} 06:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 25 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eilley Bowers, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 09:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Agassiz statue Mwc00715.jpg

Hey Howcheng, I noticed that the Agassiz picture is up for PotD next week, so I cleaned it up, something I wanted to do but never got around to during the FPC. If that's a problem feel free to revert. Btw, good choice for April 1, I hope it comes with an appropriately trumped-up caption... ~ trialsanderrors 05:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

POTD notification

Thanks for telling me. I'll look into the caption soon. · AO 16:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay thank you, I'll do that one too. Is there another for me to check? ;) · AO 16:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think this sentence sounds a bit awkward, or is it just me? The scene is of a busy street, but because the exposure time was over ten minutes, the city traffic was moving too much to appear.

Maybe "The scene is of a busy street, but the city traffic does not appear due to the ten-minute long exposure time."

It wasn't moving too much to appear because the exposure was long. At least that's how I read it. · AO 11:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Dipute settlement in the WTO

Hello Howcheng,
Is there any reason why the DYK nom on Dispute settlement in the WTO is not getting selected for the next update? I had nominated this several days back (22nd March, to be specific), and just before it was about to get moved to next update, Bondkaka had commented on that hook, for which I responded back the moment I saw that comment. The article was still within 5 days of its creation, and certainly deserves DYK featuring. Can you please look into it? - KNM 16:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

By the time I did the next update, this was already in the expired section (in fact, that was done immediately after your response). Seems like an important article to have on DYK, so I'll move it into the next update. howcheng {chat} 17:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! - KNM 17:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

2007 Transaviaexport Cargo Airline Ilyushin Il-76 airplane crash DYK nom

I have responded to your comments regarding this DYK nom at the suggestions page. Blood Red Sandman 19:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking over the comments I wrote there, they seem a little.. well, rude and uncivil. So sorry about that. And thanks for this! Blood Red Sandman 20:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: DYK

Thanks. Aditya Kabir 16:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

For all you've put into DYK

Moved to user page

Haters DYK

(DYK)...that the Hilary Duff song "Haters" is rumored to be directed at actress Lindsay Lohan?

No big deal, and maybe you're just the person who puts these up and not the person(s) who select them, but reporting a rumor as a highlight of supposedly encyclopedic content might not be such a great idea in the future. 75.18.208.221 01:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the rumor was adequately cited in the article. The whole idea of the "fact" (or "hook" as we call it) is to try and get people to read the article. As long as we're not making stuff up ourselves, it works for me. howcheng {chat} 06:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Killer whale FPC

Hello. A Featured Picture Candidate you commented on, Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Killer whale mother and calf, is now in the section for "Older nominations requiring additional input from voters." Contributors have tried to improve it after you commented, and your opinion is welcome as to which, if any, of the available versions deserves promotion. I am sending this message to everyone who participated in the FPC. Thanks! Kla'quot 06:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Titanic Wreckage FP

I was wondering if we could reschedule the Titanic featured pic, for april 14, rather than May 2nd. It seems more logical to put it on a date that has significance to the subject

Done. howcheng {chat} 18:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Missa Papae Marcelli

Hi...I was wondering whether or not this article was actually chosen for DYK?...it was deleted from the pages for consideration but is not listed on Recent Additions. If it hasn't, I'd like to relist it since it is still eligible for another day. Thanks. Chubbles 13:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Chubbles 17:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Asahi Shimbun controversy

Hi - I'm looking for an administrator that can read Japanese, which you seem to be. Can you weigh in on Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Asahi_Shimbun ? --AnonEMouse 17:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK:Cebeci Asri Cemetery

Hi Howcheng! Thanks so much for your contribution. Happy wikiDYKediting! CeeGee 18:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK Polish Armed Forces in the East

I replied at DYK page; I believe the article should be featured. Most of the content is new, and in my two years of DYK creations I have expanded various articles to DYK status, with and without splits, and never heards such an objection. Thank you, -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  02:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Pic Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff

Dear Howcheng, For further verification of copyrights, weather existing or not, I wrote the following letter to the Memorial to the German Resistance :

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, in der englischen Version der Internet- Enzyklopädie „Misplaced Pages“ habe ich mir erlaubt, einen Beitrag über Rudolf Christoph von Gersdorff zu schreiben. Dabei habe ich in Unkenntnis der Rechtslage die auf Ihrer Website verwendete Photographie desselbigen verwendet. Ich bin nun von so genannten Administratoren dieser Enzyklopädie darauf hingewiesen worden, dass es unbedingt erforderlich ist, einen zweifelsfreien Beleg dafür zu liefern, dass die Photographie rechtlich einwandfrei dort platziert werden darf. Ich denke, dass Sie mir prinzipiell zustimmen, dass von Gersdorff dort seinen Niederschlag finden sollte und dass zum Abrunden eine bildliche Darstellung nicht fehlen sollte. Da Sie diese Photographie in Ihrem Internet-Auftritt nutzen, können Sie mir sicherlich Auskunft darüber erteilen, wie ich mich richtig zu verhalten habe. Um eine derartige Auskunft möchte ich Sie hiermit freundlichst bitten. Hochachtungsvoll und mit freundlichen Grüßen signed Montréal, Qc, Canada 1-Apr-07

As soon as I receive any reply I shall inform you. Best regards --Dionysos 09:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Tillamook Cheddar (dog)

Hi, I wonder if you'd consider Tillamook Cheddar (dog) for a DYK article--or should I wait until I get a photo or two in there? Badagnani 20:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me, but it can't be marked as a stub. Add it to the list of candidates at T:TDYK so that others can get a look too. howcheng {chat} 22:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for putting my article up for the next update! Her owner is excited. It will be up on the main page, I presume, early on Friday morning, for all to see. I'm very appreciative. Badagnani 06:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Flocabulary in DYK

An image which is freely licensed (for Misplaced Pages only; third party usage is still fair use) is now available for Flocabulary. I just wanted to let you know that this can be used if it is needed for the DYK, although you may not need it, or may object to it because it is still fair use for third parties. Either way, just an FYI. --Brandt Luke Zorn 04:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages-only use is still fair use as far as we are concerned, but thanks for the note. howcheng {chat} 06:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rancho Camulos, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 13:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Battery Chamberlin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 20:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Warning

Please don't delete discrete and applicable links to article Jesus within WikiProject:Christianity. Thank you. ClaudeReigns 07:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but are you actually calling this edit "vandalism"? Funny, how it hasn't been reverted yet, even though there have been nine edits since then (including one by you). And then you have the temerity to ask me that? Let me cite some relevant policies: WP:AGF, WP:NPOV, and WP:OWN. If you want to accuse someone of vandalism, be sure it actually IS vandalism before you do so. howcheng {chat} 16:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting with link to Jesus. ClaudeReigns 20:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sarathambal

Thanks for your message on my talk page and the nomination has given me future direction in Misplaced Pages. Thanks againRaveenS 16:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mexican Wolf POTD

Hi Howcheng,

I just happened to be browsing Noclip's talk page and noticed the POTD notification for this image. I'd really appreciate it if in future you'd make sure that the creator of the promoted edit (in this case, me) is also notified of the promotion and POTD date - it's always nice to see your work on the main page (even if just an edit) and I almost missed this one. Please don't take this as a complaint; it's meant as a friendly request of a favour more than anything else. You do sterling work on POTD which is very much appreciated :-) All the best, --YFB ¿ 23:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It hasn't been my policy to notify people are responsible for edits, but I suppose I can add that step. howcheng {chat} 01:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I wasn't sure if it was something you routinely did already; I had a 'your edit was promoted' notice from Veledan a while back, but for 2 subsequent ones (the Mexican Wolf and the Ypres 1917 image) only the nominator was informed. In some cases, though (I'm not suggesting this is one of them, particularly) an editor may have contributed more actual 'work' to a nomination than the nominator, especially where the original image isn't Wikipedian-created. I appreciate that this creates yet another task for the already over-burdened nomination-closer/POTD-compiler, so I'll leave it up to you. Thanks for considering it. --YFB ¿ 02:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Kupa Synagogue

Thank you. --Poeticbent  talk  13:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for sorting out the Next Updates and updating the Main Page template recently, but, um, did you forget to do the user page notifications for this update? I'll do it now. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah you're right, I did forget. I got the article talk page updates, but not the user talk pages. Thanks for picking up my slack. howcheng {chat} 15:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Requesting License Info

Hi I saw your message on my talk page about licenses needing to meet a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA requirement. Before anything is done, I have looked at http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/, which does not say wikipedia is limited to these restrictions.

Before I upload anymore images, can you let me know where or how that is interpreted. The reason why I am asking is because I can easily fix the tag syntax. Otherwise, this is a cryptic info that no wikipedian would have guessed. A "hangon" sign has been put up on the images talk page for the time being. Thanks.

Benjwong 22:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Milton Balkany

Thank you Howcheng! But I dont see it on the main page - where should I be looking? David Spart (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) 08:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I also looked through the template history and the archives and I think it may have been accidentally not posted in the list of hooks, but put in the "credits" section so the notices were sent to the user pages and the talk page. Rigadoun (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Oops! It's on the main page now. howcheng {chat} 16:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Good work! David Spart (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) 18:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:POTD/2007-05-07

Someone blatantly advertised on the above POTD. I blanked the page and just wanted to make sure if it had to be deleted. I decided not since its likely to be replaced with something soon anyway. 128.227.41.167 05:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up! I've left a note at the user's page. howcheng {chat} 06:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Meat Eater Ant

Hi Howcheng,
I guess a more common name appears to be Meat Ant, we just call them meat eater ants where I come from. --Fir0002 23:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Expired noms on DYK template

I see you prepared the next template. Two noms from April 3 (Plaza Mayor, Trinidad, Cuba and The Century (building)) are up for the next update. Earliest time is 12.20 UTC, 9 April. Surely their nomination period has expired (6 days ago?). Including them isn't fair on other newer articles in the queue waiting to get a shot at being chosen. 81.157.196.211 09:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Just for your information, I put this on the Main Page DYK error report area. "Actually an error in the DYK template. Two noms from April 3 (Plaza Mayor, Trinidad, Cuba and The Century (building)) are up for the next update. Earliest time is 12.20 UTC, 9 April. According to DYK rules, and I quote: "DYK is only for articles that have been created within the last 5 days." They were both created 6 days ago. Including them isn't fair on other newer articles in the queue waiting to get a shot at being chosen. What's the point in having rules if some admins decide not to apply them?" I shouldn't have to point you, as an admin, at the rules. 81.157.196.211 09:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. The rules aren't binding, however. These two were from the April 3 group. In my estimation, there weren't going to be enough from the April 4 group to last the whole day, so I picked out two that had technically expired to make sure we didn't start siphoning off from future dates. howcheng {chat} 15:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award

♠TomasBat (@)(Contribs)(Sign!) 21:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK John Billings

Thanks for your help in getting the John Billings DYK up and running. Recurring dreams 06:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikification of Sphere Project

I am a bit puzzled why you tagged this for wikification as I thought that I carefully followed procedures. Could you please indicate what I need to do to correct it.Joel Mc 15:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I am posting the following query for a second time: I am a bit puzzled why you tagged this for wikification as I thought that I carefully followed procedures. Could you please indicate what I need to do to correct it.Joel Mc 20:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikification usually means the placement of internal links and the following of the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style. For example, you shouldn't have external links right in the body of the text (like in the intro paragraph), you might want to link to more articles, and you probably shouldn't have footnotes in section headers. A request for wikification is not a knock on the article and will not qualify it for deletion. You can leave it there and someone on the wikification squad will come by and clean it up, or you can attempt to do it yourself. Regards, howcheng {chat} 21:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that is helpful.Joel Mc 07:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Lucjan Dobroszycki

Thank you. --Poeticbent  talk  16:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Plenty of DYK nominations

Hi, thanks for informing me that when there are so many nominations, we can be more discriminating in picking articles. And good job with keeping up with the DYK updated. :) --Parker007 03:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK Ballad (music)

Hi! Got your message about Ballad (music) being blurbed on the main page's "Did you know?" section, which was an extremely pleasant surprise. Hopefully that will also attract a few editors to organizing/reconciling/improving/optimizing the various ballad articles. Thanks so much. —Turangalila 21:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

PS: I see you also help admin the whole DYK page (kudos); I didn't see my article on the nom page except in the bot-compiled list at the bottom, but if somebody else actually nominated the article or wrote the blurb, please let me know so I can give 'em a shout. Thanks again —Turangalila

Actually, that was me. I saw it on the bot list and said to myself, "How did we not have an article about ballads???" Then I looked through the page histories and figured it out. Given that, this was certainly an article deserving of DYK status. howcheng {chat} 21:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually figured out later I could dig it up in the hist of the template talkpage...thanks again, that made my day, plus the visitors you generated ended up fixing my spelling errors! Go Arsenal...—Turangalila 07:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Mind Dynamics

In the process of expanding the article from stub to its current state, I added citations from 26 sources, mostly books and scholarly articles from academic journals. Perhaps you could read through and see if you can think up a more interesting hook for DYK? As always, thank you for your time. Smee 22:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Any ideas? Smee 17:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Suggestion added to T:TDYK. howcheng {chat} 17:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I replaced it with your suggestion, and credited you as nom so there is no confusion there. You may also wish to check out hook for Holiday Magic, nom on 4/12. I added some more citations to the article and expanded it from a stub. Smee 19:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

• User:Justanother, who has never before contributed or commented at DYK, is now being disruptive and violating WP:NPA, commenting on the contributor as opposed to content. Please note that in both the article Mind Dynamics and the article Holiday Magic I have worked painstakingly to back up every single fact and indeed virtually every single sentence with very reputable secondary sourced citations. Can you help out with this disturbing situation? Smee 20:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

• Charges of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL are a recurring claim by this contributor. If even a fraction of the times it is claimed are true, then she should be filing formal/official disputes.

Claiming WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL does not make it so. Claiming it repeatedly, without filing formal/official complaints and obtaining official/formal findings of WP:NPA / WP:CIVIL, in my opinion, becomes in itself a violation of WP:NPA, as it calls into question the integrity of the person being accused, without facts and without a formal determination or finding, and is thus an attack. Lsi john 17:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that is a relatively liberal reading of the NPA policy, although I will agree with you that Smee is claiming NPA when no personal attacks have been made. howcheng {chat} 20:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

My implication was, based on the criteria she uses to cry WP:NPA, her repeated cries, without formal reprimands, would also then conform to WP:NPA using similar logic. Lsi john 20:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

And, to explain some of my frustration by illustration, if I were Smee, (based on several of her posts) I would now say something like this :

I will agree with you that Smee is claiming NPA when no personal attacks have been made. -- Thank you very much for your neutral third party nom senior-editor opinion.

Whereas, I prefer to say, thank you sir. Lsi john 20:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

another view

Howchen, thank you for your input, again, on the Mind Dynamics article. If you have the time and are willing, would you please go back into the history for that article. Please look at the lead after my last edit http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Mind_Dynamics&diff=123639355&oldid=123638934 , before Smee's dozen reverts. I am interested in feedback on the version of the lead that was there before she reverted all the work that I did. Lsi john 14:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I see the difference. Your lead is good, although a little bare, and I can see the influence on the current intro.

Thank you. I agree that dry applies to my version, however imo dry is better than sensationalized. I believe her choice of wording helps lead the reader to form a conclusion about Mind Dynamics. The reader should be able to come to their own conclusions, without being helped by a choice of colorful words. Lsi john 20:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Note that, even though I personally objected to embroiled I left it in as a compromise. Lsi john 16:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Also note that she ignored the request in the comment to use TALK, and instead unilaterally made a rapid series of edits to revert the changes that had been made. Lsi john 16:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, I believe that it is unnecessary to locate an author who used the word 'embroiled' and than also include his book title Self Realization: The Est and Forum Phenomena in American Society.

I don't think "embroiled" has any negative connotations. It just means "involved in". howcheng {chat}

1. Is it necessary? Does it add significant value to the article?
2. Embroiled sensationalizes and combined with phenomenon in the title, adds to the sensationalizing. It isn't one word here or one word there that is at issue. The problem is a consistent undercurrent in these articles which seems to be designed to leave the unsuspecting reader with a bad taste for LGAT. It is only when taken as a whole that the psychological impact can be seen. Lsi john 20:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
3. Her edit history documents that she only adds verbiage and terminology which put LGAT in a bad light.

If Mind Dynamics was involved in pyramid schemes, then that information should be included. I'm not sure that its relevant to the article that some author said they were embroiled in pyramid schemes, and more irrelevant that the title of his book includes phenomena (which is unrelated to his usage of embroiled and also unrelated to this citation regarding Mind Dynamics. This seems to me to be an attempt to inject bias and and prejudice into the article, using WP:RS material.

The fact that they were investigated is a matter of record and is a valid inclusion. By locating an author who used phenomena in his book title, and embroiled in his book, it adds an undue bias to the article. I do not know the specific facts or conclusion, but it may very well be that no charges were actually filed. In this possible case, overemphasizing with words like phenomena and embroiled leave the reader with an undue prejudice. The part I believe is sinister, is that such inclusions are in a multitude of articles which include the LGAT label, like a trail of bread crumbs leading the reader to conclude that LGAT is phenomena , embroiled in pyramid and thus the LGAT label becomes a label of evil and bad.

"Phenomenon" can be used as a synonym. Repeated use of it can lead to bias you describe, but the word can also indicate something that has increased in popularity in a short span of time.

Is it necessary, or constructive, to include something in an article, just because we are able to include it under the rules of WP:RS? Lsi john 16:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

From what I can tell, Mind Dynamics is a fraudulent enterprise. Complaining that an article portrays them negatively is like saying that the Charles Manson article focuses too much on the Sharon Tate murders. If those same sources that Smee cites have more positive things to say about the company but s/he is ignoring them, then we have an NPOV violation. The other possible way to violate NPOV, and I believe this is what you're accusing Smee of (assuming I've understood this correctly), is to present the facts but using biased wording. In this case, you should be bold and simply rewrite Smee's entries, making sure to keep the facts (especially if they're sourced) and cleaning up the language. howcheng {chat}

1. Mind Dynamics may very well have been fraudulent. That is not something I dispute. But the fact that Mind Dymanics was fraudulent has nothing specifically to do with LGAT. It is the fact that Smee is tying LGAT and bad together in every article she can. And then she ties LGAT to every company she can. She is WP:SPA using wiki to attack legitimate companies and bad companies together as one. Two articles have already been deleted, by not meeting wiki standards. The only thing in those articles were uncited LGAT propaganda in a subtle attempt to attack the companies. Lsi john 21:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

   The argument that Mind Dynamics is a forerunner of LGAT organizations is sourced and seems noteworthy to me, although I do note that the fraudulent activities the company allegedly engaged in is never really detailed. howcheng {chat} 22:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

   Is it then, appropriate, to include that information, especially in the header of the article? This speaks to my concerns that there is a subconscious psychological undercurrent at work, which adds a general bias to each article. The repeated inclusion of LGAT, making it significant simply by its repeated sourced references and the fact that LGAT plays such an overly important role in each of the separate articles. LGAT, if acknowledged, is merely a label for a type of training, with each author adding specific requirement for inclusion in the LGAT grouping. Making LGAT so predominant in each and every article, overshadows the significance of the companies themselves and is why I believe that the reader is unsuspectingly being 'led' to a desired conclusion. Lsi john 23:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

2. I am bold, and she reverts. I ask for discussion and she reverts and posts in discussion 'stop removing sourced material'. She and I are in mediation now. She has been in mediation with a number of other editors. She refuses to allow anything neutral into an article until forced by third-opinion. She reverts rhetoric and colorful wording, until forced to remove it by third-opinion. I can be Bold, and then she reverts and claims 3RR and WP:NPA. Lsi john 21:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
3. Her edit history shows that she only researches and only posts things which document LGAT negatively. This is why it is so easy to see the bad about Mind Dynamics. Did they do bad things? Certainly. Did they also accomplish good works and help individuals who took their courses? If so, you'd never hear that from Smee no matter how much documentation were to exist and she has resisted any attempt to add anything positive to the entire series of articles, even if documented and properly cited. Lsi john 21:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I see now that Smee has pulled in another resource (DYK) to help push her pov. This is a pattern which is well documented and about which we are currently in mediation. Please do not allow DYK to be inappropriately used as a tool. Please take time to fully review her edits/contributions and methodology and uncover any patterns for yourself. I do not believe this can be resolved by looking at any single individual edit, as she can legally justify almost every edit she makes. The problem that I see is at a deeper level involving WP:SPA and pushing a POV using technically legal references. A single drop of water is a drop and is not noteworthy. A dripping faucet can waste thousands of gallons of water in a year and should be addressed. Lsi john 16:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK is about focusing on new articles. You are free to challenge the DYK nominations by pointing out things like NPOV violations or factual inaccuracies, issues that if not resolved will prevent the article from getting a DYK appearance. SPA is an essay, not a guideline or policy. Smee may be a psychologist or a grad student in psychology whose focus of study is LGAT, in which case it's expected that his/her edits are on articles of this nature. You are also free to counter her edits by adding sourced material that challenges her POV. howcheng {chat} 20:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Therein lies the dilemma. The term LGAT was coined by and primarily used by the anti-cult community. There is no standard scientific definition. The term is not defined by the APA. Each author uses the term and either defines it themselves, references another author, or fails to define it entirely. It is a vague term, which imo makes it POV by definition. It is the POV of each author who uses the term. Without a rigid standard, any company can be cited as LGAT by any author. And, not being officially and universally defined, there is very little reason for authors to publish books which say LGAT is being used by anti-cult watchers with an agenda. Therefore, the term is self-fulfilling. Anti-cult community invented it to avoid using the word cult, then they publish about it and legitimize it, without formally defining it. And that gives Smee all the references she needs as well as the ability to legally resist any effort to document that the term is not properly defined.

In once article, I attempted to inject that the term was defined by each author, and Smee (probably correctly) removed my edit saying that was WP:OR. In another article, I added that the term was loosely defined, and she also reverted that edit.

The term is primarily used today on the Rick Ross forum, which is unusable, even as an illustration due to violation of WP:OR.

The term isn't properly defined, but we cannot say that because nobody has said it in a book. Yet, unless an author specifically wanted to address this issue, there would be no reason to write a book just to say that LGAT isn't well defined.

One way to get around this is if you can find varying definitions of LGAT, to put them in the article. "Users of the term do not always agree on the definition. Joe Schmoe of the University of Foo defines it as blah blah blah, whereas Joe Bloggs of Bar State University has a broader sense." howcheng {chat} 22:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to say "Ms ABC used the term without defining it" ? I have tried this and it gets reverted. I have tried saying the term is defined differently by different people, and referencing the material, without quoting it, and that too gets reverted. Lsi john 23:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

An anti-cult leader makes up a term and uses it in a rejected report APA taskforce on Deceptive and Indirect Techniques of Persuasion and Control (check history for LGAT inclusion and subsequent removal), and then wiki articles are written which cite the use/birth of the LGAT term in that report. When enough documentation is unearthed about the report and its rejection, they finally relent and stop reverting text and switch to contributing the source of LGAT to someone else.

Its like fighting a ghost. There is nothing solid to hit. Its circular. Its wrong. And, quite honestly, its damned frustrating. Lsi john 21:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Besides mediation, I think a Request for comment here may be appropriate. You may also want to notify other administrators at the Administrators' noticeboard where you will find admins who are more experienced at handling user disputes and weaselly POV editing than me. Not that I'm trying to dump you off on someone else -- it's just a little out of my expertise (I'm an image policy guy mostly). howcheng {chat} 22:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Any suggstions on who might be willing to help? I'm not even sure how to find an administrator. I only found you because you posted a reply as 3rd party. I'm already in mediation and she has outright declared (in contrast to WP:FAITH) that she doubts I will ever compromise. Lsi john 23:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I actually try to stay out of these things myself. :) Just go to WP:AN and post a message summarizing the conflict and someone will step in. howcheng {chat} 23:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Rats In The Grain

I understand fully as you have much more experience than I. Do you have any suggestions on how to improve the article instead of deleting it? I can learn from your suggestions. It has several references. Or do you think it is better to delete it? I will follow your lead on this. Thanks for your suggestions.ReadQ 13:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Like I stated on the article page, what you should be doing is expanding the "Price fixing investigation" section of the Archer Daniels Midland article, using information from the book, which you seem to own or at least have read. Unless Rats in the Grain is a noteworthy book in and of itself (e.g., All the President's Men, which is also a good example about how an article about book should be written), it doesn't need its own article. When you are expanding the ADM article, be sure to cite individual pages within the book. Change the current "References" section in the ADM article to "Footnotes" and list the book under "References". See Ballad (music) for an example of what I mean. Regards, howcheng {chat} 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I agree with you and it is probably better to delete the current article on the book, and I will look at ways to expand the ADM article with information from the book. Thanks again for your input. ReadQ 17:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Holiday Magic

• Please help out at DYK and comment at the hook for Holiday Magic. I worked painstakingly to back up every single fact in that article with multiple sourced citations from very reputable secondary sources. Smee 19:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
  • At present, (24) citations from highly reputable sourced material. Smee 07:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

DYK Error

We have a problem with a frontpage DYK-hook see: . Camptown 20:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Did you know x 3

Did you know? was updated. On 13 April, 2007, a fact from the article Declaration to the Seven, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Did you know? was updated. On 13 April, 2007, a fact from the article Claude de Bernales, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for nominating de Bernales. I didn't even know you had. Cheers. —Moondyne 11:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

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- Good work! :) GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 11:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold

Rancho Camulos  GA on hold — Notes left on talk page. IvoShandor 14:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I hope this thread isn't too stale. Nice map! btw. I made some final comments on the article's talk page and found the designation date for the National Historic Landmark status, the source is linked somewhere in that discussion. IvoShandor 07:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:GAicon Rancho Camulos passed. Congrats and good work, I just love seeing a National Historic Landmark article reach this status. : ) Keep it up. IvoShandor 09:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Generic antecedents

Thanks for the DYK placement. First time I've received that encouragement. Much appreciated. Thanks to Alex and his NewArtBot for starting the process; also to those who wrote the pages that guided me to submission. Most of all thanks to the team that makes the DYK section work. Go Wiki! Alastair Haines 21:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

re: POTD

The reason why I try to protect the rotating main page templates for FA, SA, and POTD manually is based on the discussion at Talk:Main Page/Tomorrow#Cascading protection incorrectly applied to featured articles. The short story is that a vandal can transclude various articles on unprotected templates at 23:59 UTC, seconds before it falls under the main page. Once the clock strikes 0:00 UTC, these various articles will also automatically be cascade protected. See for one example, and and this page I had to delete for another. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Man, some people really have nothing better to do with their day. Thanks for the explanation! howcheng {chat} 23:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Mind Dynamics DYK

Hi. I removed the Mind Dynamics from the next update. I was quite surprised to see that you had elevated it over my objection and with no input from other editors than Smee. I objected to this as not neutral and another editor has tagged the article as unbalanced - IMO, this is NOT DYK material. And I object to the DYK, a nice little fun feature, being used for POV-pushing. Smee is a relentless and WP:SPA POV-pusher. (See SPA discussion). I do not object to her work being featured in DYK, I just have not yet seen any work from her that is not blatant and one-sided POV-pushing. Certainly not that piece. --Justanother 13:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

• Every single fact and virtually every single sentence within that article has been backed up and clearly sourced to (33) highly reputable secondary sourced citations. Please keep it as a DYK entry. Thank you. Smee 18:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Just because something is a fact does not mean it is relevant or necessary to include it in an article. And extraneous facts should be embedded in the article proper, not included in the opening Lead. And it should not be used as prejudicial material in order to wiki-legally push an authors POV.

Additionally, I submit that 99%+ of your facts are WP:SPA related to LGAT and the abusive, illegal, and bad practices of companies which have been labeled LGAT. Personally, I have found no evidence that you have ever found or added a single fact which said anything good about any companies who's articles you contribute to and you have ignored my requests to show me any such contributions. Lsi john 16:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

• see Mind Dynamics (above) Lsi john 16:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

You probably get a million of these, but quickimgdelete is invaluable. Thanks for doing it, and continuing to improve it! - cohesion 17:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Polyglot (webzine)

Thank you for placing the deletion proposal tag onto the article's page, it has compelled me to modify the article so as to emphasize the topic's notability. This has been explained in the article's talk page. A lizard 19:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

David Lewis DYK

Thank you for approving David Lewis (politician) for the April 15, 2007 DYK. Abebenjoe 10:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Timestamp

Hello Howcheng,
After you updated the DYK template, the timestamp in Suggestions page was not updated. I went ahead and updated that one. Just FYI. Thank you, - KNM 17:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On April 16, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Iridomyrmex , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your hard work Howcheng. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Did you know? was updated. On April 17, 2007, a fact from the article Eighteen Songs of a Nomad Flute, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Did you know? was updated. On April 17, 2007, a fact from the article Fei hua qing han, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks again for your hard work Howcheng. Much appreciated. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Kosigrim-Eighteen Songs of a Nomad Flute

Howard, glad you recognize the 'Eighteen Songs'.

I corrected two of the PD images.

The first on top, is my creation, but that is not important.

The 18 images are from a CD stock collection I had to resize and make identical as dimensions.

Every image from the stock has an attached text in Chinese, sometime meaningful some time not.

I will have a person who is helping with translation.

As soon as I have something on the artist will add it.

Let me know if you have further comments,

best, kosi

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kosigrim (talk • contribs) 23:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for your effort to intoduce our china culture to wikipedia. But I have to say that copyrights of the images incorporated in the gallery of this article havn't expired yet.These pictures are composed in the modern art style(of the latest 20years). As to image:18songs2.jpg,I don't think you create the images yourself.Even I feel difficult to understand these chinese character of the font Small Seal Script in this picture without context. leave your message @ zh:user:lastman--Lastman cn 06:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the POTD notification; I made a few minor changes to the text. · AO 23:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The Contenders (band) cleanup?

What exaxctly needs to be done?Shodobe 07:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

A few things I can identify off the top of my head. First, there are unnecessary line breaks in the lead paragraph. Second, the images are too large (and in my opinion, a violation of our Misplaced Pages:non-free content policy). Some of the section headings are also not neutral ("Here comes success" for example). Regards, howcheng {chat} 16:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I see. And understand some. I am a journalist and a newcomer to Misplaced Pages. Will look into your comments asap. 80.203.20.187 17:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Curious

Greetings and thank you for your comment on the Holiday Magic talk page. From your comment, I'm curious to know how familiar you are with the subject matter. I don't generally see an 'outsider' reference LGAT as a phenomenon, and that reference was not in the talk page that I could see. (you may reply here, I'll watch). Thank you. Lsi john 23:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll reply here, if thats alright. Its actually a very controversial subject on wiki, with at least two, and probably three, distinct camps. I've posted my POV in numerous talk pages and user pages. I'll try not to rant too long here on yours as well ;) (You're welcome in advance!)

The term LGAT originated among anti-cult watchers and has no universally accepted scientific definition. It seems to have initially been used as a label, in place of cult in order to avoid the legal ramifications of improperly (libel) calling an organization a 'cult'. It has been used by both sides of the isle, however it is a banner for some of the more radical anti-cult activists.

Without reading the actual text of that book, I suspect that the 'phenomenon' being discussed was 'an explosion of many new personal growth and development training and seminar companies' and the quantity of people who were becomming interested in self improvement and behavor awareness. I believe that 'phenomenon' is being used out of context in order to sensationalize the LGAT label and give it more 'value'.

Several of these training companies have had legal issues for a variety of reasons. Many of the companies are operating well within the law and are doing many good things both for individuals who take their courses as well as using their profits for global projects (such as sponsoring orphanages and hospitals in Africa).

There seems to be a small group of contributors here who have spilled over from the rickross.com anti-cult forum. The forum attracts 'birds of a feather' where they all post negative messages about companies, which just feeds the frenzy (so to speak). When anyone with opposing views posts on the forum, they are immediately labeled as an 'apologist' for the company they appear to be supporting. If they make too much sense, they are banned from the forum.

This small, yet persistent, group, is writing wiki articles about these companies, even when the company does not qualify to be a wiki article Klemmer & Associates Psi World (both now deleted). They use LGAT as a pejorative label and shift the primary focus of the articles away from the company and its works toward LGAT. By this, they lead the reader in a desired direction/conclusion.

Because its very subtle, and the average reader is not aware of the scope of the issue, they often get away with it by asking for third-opinion on a very limited question and then use that as a launching pad for more.

I've been trying to get the series of articles cleaned up and more balanced, but its been a very uphill struggle.

Not sure if I answered your question, but i'm out of letters on my keyboard.

If you're intereste in more, just ask.

Peace. Lsi john 00:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

		The DYK Medal
		To Howcheng, for your hard work publishing everybody's newest articles, and for choosing another nice image, thank you very much. -Susanlesch 23:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to add my support for the awarding of this, er..., award. Keep up the good work! :) GDallimore (Talk) 09:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Image delete javascript tools

They seem to have vanished. What happened to them? --Selket 00:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I'm just an idiot today. I had a ' at the end of the url. --Selket 00:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Cover picture

Thanks for your note regarding Image:Panjika 1.jpg. It shows the cover of a Bengali almanac. I have taken the picture but am not the original creator. Please note that Bengali almanacs and their covers do not carry any copyright notice. They are freely usable. I have acordingly revised the notings. Please see if it is in order. If not, please advise me what more I can do. With regards. -- P.K.Niyogi 01:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The Mather School DYK

I've changed an important "element" of the article The Mather School for which you nominated for "Did you know." I forgot to add it's the oldest ELEMENTARY school (1639) while Boston Latin School is actually the oldest public junior/high school (1636). The difference is Latin is an exam school and has strict requirements before students can be admitted for grades 7-12, unlike the Mather were any child living in the district could attend the grade (elementary) school. You may want to feature Boston Latin instead, as it is more prestigious. Many historical people (Presidents, etc) attended Boston Latin before going off to Harvard.

I changed the "hook" page by adding "elementary" because it's more accurate, and if the Boston Latin folk saw it they'd have a fit. More importantly I would not want to mis-lead readers into thinking it is the oldest school of the New World, but the Mather is the oldest free public elementary school of the new world (America). Sorry for the confusion. Jeeny 04:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Boston Latin School doesn't qualify for DYK, which features only new and newly expanded articles ("new" meaning within the last 5 days). Thanks also for your commitment in keeping the article accurate. howcheng {chat} 05:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all your hard work, and nominating an article close to my heart. Jeeny 20:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnes v. Glen Theatre, Inc.

Thanks for the nomination! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lemonsawdust (talk • contribs) 10:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Double DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 18 April, 2007, a fact from the article Barnes v. Glen Theatre, Inc., which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

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- KNM 13:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Vilpatti DYK

Wow! Thanks for the nomination. Thats a first for me.Marcus 16:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Światło pic

Fixed. Some time ago IPN changed their website structure and they never created redirects - its a giant mess now... Btw, in the future, you may want to check Internet Archive.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)