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This template was considered for merging with Template:Infobox person on 17 December 2011. The result of the discussion was "no consensus to merge at this time; some support for refactoring {{Infobox writer}} so that it internally calls {{Infobox person}}".

Request to introduce the signature_type parameter

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I added the |signature_type= parameter to this template, it could be able to add alternative text in place of Signature (for example: Seal). This parameter is borrowed from {{Infobox royalty}}. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 16:01, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  12:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Default image alt text duplicates caption

This code for this infobox when embedding an image contains |title={{{caption|}}}. When the alt= parameter is empty or missing, this results in the image's ALT text getting set to the text of the caption. (example) This is an improper ALT text: The alt text is intended to be read out by screen readers just before the caption, so avoid having the same details in both. (MOS:ALT) This behavior is also unhelpful for sighted readers in that it repeats the caption right below the image. Opencooper (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a simple example showing what you mean. Module:InfoboxImage's documentation says that |title= is used for the mouseover text, and it also says When "alt" is used without "title", the alt text is also used as the title, but I don't see anything about |title= being used for alt text. Also, Misplaced Pages:Extended_image_syntax says that when thumb/frame/frameless is not specified, If no alt text is specifically requested, use the requested caption as alt text. Also see on that page, the section that begins The actual alt text for the displayed image will be one of the following, in order of preference:. The system may be working as designed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that module does not say anything about the alt text being defaulted to the caption, so it seems to be a side effect somewhere. I looked at other infoboxes and most don't exhibit this behavior of using the caption for the alt. It's only the ones like this one where the HTML title is set. You can tell when this is set by simply hovering over the image, which will popup a tooltip repeating the caption, though the issue itself is in the generated HTML's img alt attribute. I'm not sure the image syntax page applies here—that is discussing the ] syntax, whereas these templates embed images directly, no? Opencooper (talk) 00:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I see the tooltip, but at least one page describes the tooltip as being different from the alt text. Again, a sandbox page with a simple example would help. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

How to handle multiple authors in a shared article?

Is there a standardized way to handle a joint article? Take, for example, John and Elizabeth Sherrill. I'd like to add their birth and death dates, but I'm not able to use more than one module and would have to resort to something like |module= {{plainlist| *{{infobox person}} *{{infobox person}} }}. Snowman304|talk 18:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 August 2024

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To any administrator, apply my edit to this infobox's sandbox: replace font-size: 125% in |abovestyle= with {{{abovestyle|}}}. Santiago Claudio (talk) 04:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Please explain the purpose of this edit. Also, I have removed the setting in the edit request saying that this is an edit request for Template:Infobox officeholder rather than Template:Infobox writer. SilverLocust 💬 10:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

This edit request is for consistency with |abovestyle= in Template:Infobox person. Santiago Claudio (talk) 02:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Should the default be left at 125% though, to preserve current behaviour? Also there are other changes in the sandbox with the image and caption fields. Are these also requested? If not, please can you resync the sandbox and then apply your change again? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done pending a response * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

No, change default to {{{abovestyle|}}}. No other changes in the sandbox; I didn't request them. I already synced the sandbox; again, there were no errors. Santiago Claudio (talk) 02:59, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The problem isn't errors, but unexpected changes in the current sandbox diff (you should see a link to it in the edit request banner). To resync means to copy wikitext from Template:Infobox writer to Template:Infobox writer/sandbox and then do the requested changes in the sandbox. —⁠andrybak (talk) 08:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Already synced! Santiago Claudio (talk) 09:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Which test case contains a demonstration of |abovestyle=? – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Test case 1. Santiago Claudio (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

|abovestyle= is not in that test case. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)