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| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| There is a requested move for the article on the music band named "Black Breath" to be renamed without the disambiguating "(band)", leaving no redirect to ]. Project members are invited to join the discussion. | |||
| This notice has been posted after premature closure of the discussion (on discovery that this WikiProject had not been notified as an interested party). The discussion has been reopened. ] (]) 13:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Sources on Tolkien's Lindon and Himring == | |||
| I wanted to write separate articles about Himring and Lindon Tolkien, but I couldn’t find independent authoritative sources on them - could you tell me if there are such sources? ] (]) 09:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :Many thanks for asking. I think you won't find anything substantial enough to justify separate articles really. There would need to be scholarly sources which draw out themes such as ] influences specifically from these places, and unlike, say, ] or ], it's not clear that Tolkien invested much energy in them. ] (]) 09:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| Notable, or too ONEVENTish? Probably worth a redirect and a mention in some place (]?). . Some earlier coverage of when the suits started: , . <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Hi {{user|Piotrus}}. All of the coverage I found was related to the lawsuit. I did not find any book reviews. I agree that a mention in ] is the best approach for now. The lawsuit was filed at the beginning of 2023 and the judged ruled on the lawsuit at the end of 2023. If the lawsuit receives continued coverage a few months later, the lawsuit would have received ] and would be considered notable. If that happens, I recommend creating an article focused on the lawsuit rather than the book. ] (]) 02:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::A brief mention in 'Works inspired...' seems right to me. ] (]) 03:44, 7 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Revised and expanded ''Letters'' in new ME-ref template == | |||
| Project members will know that HarperCollins have brought out a new edition of ]. Articles have up to now used '''<nowiki>{{harvnb|Carpenter|1981}}</nowiki>''' to reference letters. There is now a new template, ], which will be cited using '''<nowiki>{{harvnb|Carpenter|2023}}</nowiki>'''. | |||
| The good news is that, with one exception, all the "old" letters have the same numbers in the two editions; and that the "new" letters are numbered to avoid conflicts, e.g. #140c to sit between #140 and #141. | |||
| The procedure for updating an article is explained at ]. ] (]) 15:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Why should there be two separate templates/references for essentially the same thing? As you note, the letter numbers are consistent. Thus, even someone with the 1981 edition who wants to cite letter #87 could easily use a template giving the details of the 2023 edition... because the letter in question is '''still''' #87 there. Splitting the editions referenced this way will lead to madness if applied to the dozens (hundreds in some cases) of editions of various other Tolkien texts. Even in this single instance it is an unnecessary complication. --] 15:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :: Because the dates are not the same: and there is a kerfuffle, too, with letters #219 and #220 which are swapped over, hence update steps 3 and 4. It may be helpful to note, as mentioned in the first paragraph here, that the date forms part of the Harvard link to the templated source. If you're happy to do a global replace according to the now-documented update procedure, which has 4 steps, then we can cheerfully ditch Carpenter 1981. ] (]) 15:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Done. Any thoughts on whether we should have all the 'ME-cite' templates I used subst'd? That can be done easily via bot by just changing a parameter on the /doc page. Just not sure about current preferences. The original ME-cite templates, which were deleted somewhere along the way, were designed to be subst'd because there used to be 'concerns' about 'double transclusion', but these days there are numerous templates that are nested six levels deep. --] 22:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Not at all sure about substing or not, implications are unclear and very possibly extremely unwelcome, don't know. Nor at all happy with using ME-cite, especially as from now on ME-ref/Letters is once again perfectly up to date and can be used normally. This looks like a major and systemic change and its implications should have been thoroughly explored and agreed first. I suspect that at the moment, nobody knows how to go about using the new approach, and that includes you (subst or not? etc) and me. | |||
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| ::::I note there is an overlooked (1981 presumably) page ref in Helm's Deep, perhaps there are others - people may have added these in multiple ref formats long ago. There is another ref in that article which just provides a number, no # and no text: it might be an uncompleted letter ref or a 1981 page number. Maybe there are more of those in other articles too. These need to be changed to full letter citations. ] (]) 06:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::FYI: ] does not work within <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> tags. <span class="nowrap">] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></span> 11:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: Oh dear. Well, then we either have to have the ME-cites as they are or replace all of them with harvnb|Carpenter|2023 etc. On the ] ref , "210" is certainly #210 to Forrest J. Ackerman, June 1958: I haven't edited the ref. Any other page refs surviving from the Elder Days will similarly have to be looked up and replaced. ] (]) 11:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Let's see; | |||
| :::::::* The substitution will work just fine, as shown . I change a 'no' to a 'yes' in one spot and the bot will do the rest. | |||
| :::::::* No, not a "major and systemic" change, and indeed entirely transitory if that is what people want. This IS the discussion to agree how to go forward. Either we subst all of the ME-cite/LETTERS templates I created to harvnb|Carpenter|2023 and then continue using harvnb (and various other templates / manual references) going forward... '''exactly''' as people have been the past several years OR we revive ME-cite (or fold the functionality into ME-ref), which was part of the original design of this system precisely to standardize reference formats and make edition transitions like this easier. ''That'' was all removed without being "thoroughly explored and agreed first". | |||
| :::::::* The Helm's Deep ref says 210 because that's what it said before the 'change'. | |||
| :::::::* I didn't notice that the other Helm's Deep ref listed the page # after the letter number. Would probably be fine since the letter number is there, but I removed the page #. --] 13:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::* Ok, well, I'd like to have harvnb|Carpenter|2023 please. I'll fix the HD ref now. ] (]) 17:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::*:Seeing no objections... done. --] 11:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| A discussion has begun at ] on the use of non-free illustrations in the ]. Middle-earth project members are invited to contribute to the discussion. ] (]) 11:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == A modern perspective on ] == | |||
| A discussion has begun at ] on whether Sauron's efforts to enslave the bearers of the Rings of Power owe something to Tolkien's experience of cryptanalysis. A text, formerly in the article, is now on the talk page. Project members are invited to decide if it should be included as it is or modified, and if so, where it should go in the article. ] (]) 17:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Deletion discussion on ] == | |||
| A discussion has begun at AfD as to whether ] should remain as an article on Misplaced Pages. | |||
| Project members are invited to contribute to the discussion at ]. ] (]) 16:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Discussion at ] == | |||
| I have started a requested move discussion for this article, which was recently given unnecessary disambiguation following the announcement of an upcoming film that may potentially have a similar name. - ] (]) 18:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Discussion of deletions at ] == | |||
| A discussion has been started after an editor has made a series of deletions in this article, which may have removed needed components of the text. Project members are invited to view the changes in the article and contribute their views to the discussion. ] (]) 18:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| A discussion has been started by an editor on this article's talk page about its neutrality. Project members are invited to join the discussion. ] (]) 05:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Cleanup listing == | |||
| I have added this project to the list that is processed every Tuesday by ]. The latest listings are available as or lists, or as a . A will accumulate. On the first run, it has flagged 186 (16%) of the project's 1175 pages (articles, redirects, disambiguations) as needing attention. <span class="nowrap">] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></span> 21:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Legends of Tomorrow episodes == | |||
| ⚫ | New article you may enjoy - translated b/c of my suggestion. A Polish translator of Tolkien works. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 07:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| So the actor Jack Turner appears in the ] episodes The Fellowship of the Spear and ] as a guest star? Would either of these be worth adding to to the task force? The first one exists as a redirect but the second is an article I'm hoping to refine. <b>] ] ]</b> 02:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | :@] Close to a GA level, perhaps? I could help a bit with Polish sources or such if you'd like to work on that. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 07:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :Thanks for asking. The answer here is surely no, any connection is marginal and tenuous at best. ] (]) 04:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think it's splendid: good work! But it's more like yours, you should take it to GAN, not me – all you have to do is to work in some of the Polish sources as it's already of a decent standard. In any case, as you can see above, my GAN queue stretches back six months or more, and in fact I'm successively dropping Middle-earth GANs as I work biological topics up to GA. Who knows, I might even review the article! All the best, ] (]) 08:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
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New article you may enjoy - translated b/c of my suggestion. A Polish translator of Tolkien works. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap Close to a GA level, perhaps? I could help a bit with Polish sources or such if you'd like to work on that. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's splendid: good work! But it's more like yours, you should take it to GAN, not me – all you have to do is to work in some of the Polish sources as it's already of a decent standard. In any case, as you can see above, my GAN queue stretches back six months or more, and in fact I'm successively dropping Middle-earth GANs as I work biological topics up to GA. Who knows, I might even review the article! All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)