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| == Population in Moldova == | |||
| == Number of Bulgars/ relations to Cumans == | |||
| The article's infobox gives the population of Bulgarians in Moldova as 79,000. This is sourced to , which links to several spreadsheets, but as far as I'm able to see from , the number of Bulgarians is 65,662. I can't see how one can arrive at the large figure (unless, bizarrely, the numbers are lumped together with the 14,000 who did not declare their ethnicity). Alternatively, this might include numbers for Transnistria, but these will themselves then need to be sourced. Anyone know what's going on? – ] 21:35, 10 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
| Some sources indeed say that Bulgars were only a ruling elite, other sources say that they were quite numerous. See here : | |||
| == Population-8,9, or 10 mil? == | |||
| "...Onogur Bulgarians are found in '''large numbers'''... "<ref>Byzantium: The Imperial Centuries, AD 610-1071, Romilly James Heald Jenkins, page 45, https://books.google.bg/books?id=O5JqH_NXQBsC&pg=PA45&dq=onogur+bulgars&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=onogur%20bulgars&f=false</ref> | |||
| --<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT">]•],</span> 12:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
| or here: "Asperuch’s Bulgars were a '''numerous race'''." - page 26, <ref>A history of the First Bulgarian Empire, ], http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/sr/sr_1_2.htm</ref> | |||
| == Recent genetic studies - request for an edit == | |||
| Hence any attempt to put particular numbers on the article are only '''speculations''' and should be avoided. | |||
| To add content and reliable relevant sources: | |||
| Cumans were only hired by the Bulgarians during the Second Bulgarians Empire but eventually they settled on the Hungarian plain - see the article ]: Settlement on the Hungarian plain. Just because there were some marriages between Bulgarian aristocracy and Cumans this doesn't mean that Cumans participated into the formation of Bulgarian ethnogenesis. By such logic, just because some kings of England married French princesses, can we infer that English people are French? | |||
| --] (]) 12:44, 28 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| Recent genetic studies suggest that modern Bulgarians carry genes of the Thracians and Proto-Bulgarians (Bulgars). Contemporary Bulgarians are genetically closer to Proto-Bulgarians, but also to Thracians. Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians have no genetic similarities with either the Turks, or Turkic and Altaic populations. Western Eurasian origin is suggested by Mitochondrial DNA both for ancient (proto-) and modern Bulgarians, as well as a genetic similarity between them. Aris N. Poulianos also states that Thracians, like modern Bulgarians, belonged mainly to the Aegean anthropological type. <ref>(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26416319/)</ref><ref>(https://bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/present-day-bulgarians-carry-genes-of-thracians-and-proto-bulgarians-not-of-slavs)</ref><ref>(https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/687384v3.full)</ref><ref>(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3590186/)</ref><ref>(https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41945-0)</ref> ] (]) 21:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| : About the Cumans' question. Bulgarian researcher Assoc. Prof. Aleksandar Nikolov PhD in Sofia University, claims on p. 10 in his study '''' as follows: "Thus, in my opinion, the Second Bulgarian state represents a mixed model of how nomadic settlers could be integrated and assimilated into a sedentary society. As in Hungary, the Cumans also settled "en masse" in the territories where the Second Bulgarian state was created. They formed not only a significant, but a leading part of the aristocratic military elite, compensating in this way for the lack of a fully developed local military class. Unlike Hungary, there was no pressure or special legislation, which forced the newcomers to take on Bulgarian identity. After their Christianization they merged with the local elite without any difficulties." Also, there is no doubt, about these events (Cumans' impact in Bulgarian ethnogenesis) in Bulgarian historiography. ] (]) 08:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
| :: As per d-r Gantcho Tsenov (Berlin), neither the Cumans or the Bugarians together were a "kipchak" (so called - "tirckic") tribes and both used a East-European language - the old Chirch-Slavonic, or the Old - Bulgarian one. The same is valid per the Avars. --] (]) 12:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC) | |||
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| == Gardening? == | |||
| Bulgarians were known for their gardening methods/culture in the late 19thand early 20th century, even as far as ] Why is there nothing about this in the article? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Who are the Onogurs? == | |||
| Please explain me, who are the Onogurs. I mean I know who they are but tell me what kind of people makes Onogurs. I ask this because this: "Then he records 13 tribes, the wngwr (Onogur), wgr (Oğur), sbr (Sabir), bwrgr (Burğa, i.e. Bulgar), kwrtrgr (Kutriğurs), br (probably Vars, also known as the Avars), ksr (Kasr; possibly Akatziri), srwrgwr (Saragur), dyrmr (unknown), b'grsyq (Bagrasir, i.e. Barsil), kwls (unknown), bdl (probably Abdali), and ftlyt (Hephthalite)." I always read that Onogurs are Bulgars. But The Bulgars are listed as a different entity. Than I read it Bulgars are a mixed origin. What are the elements of that mix, if they are not ogurs, not onogurs, not sabirs, not kuturgurs, not avars, not kazars, not akatzirs, not saragurs, not barsils, not heftalites? Who else is left on the steppe, who could be the Onogurs or f.e. Bulgars? Finno-ugrians? Slavs? Alans? (I think they are the heftalites). So please tell me, which people make the Onogurs, who are not on the list above. ] (]) 09:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
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| == 19th century maps == | |||
| I've removed a number of 19th century ethnographic maps from the article. They are riddled with inaccuracies and very outdated. They have no place in this article, or just about anywhere in a serious encyclopedia. ] (]) 05:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
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Population in Moldova
The article's infobox gives the population of Bulgarians in Moldova as 79,000. This is sourced to this page, which links to several spreadsheets, but as far as I'm able to see from the relevant one, the number of Bulgarians is 65,662. I can't see how one can arrive at the large figure (unless, bizarrely, the numbers are lumped together with the 14,000 who did not declare their ethnicity). Alternatively, this might include numbers for Transnistria, but these will themselves then need to be sourced. Anyone know what's going on? – Uanfala (talk) 21:35, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Population-8,9, or 10 mil?
--BonsMans1•talk, 12:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Recent genetic studies - request for an edit
To add content and reliable relevant sources:
Recent genetic studies suggest that modern Bulgarians carry genes of the Thracians and Proto-Bulgarians (Bulgars). Contemporary Bulgarians are genetically closer to Proto-Bulgarians, but also to Thracians. Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians have no genetic similarities with either the Turks, or Turkic and Altaic populations. Western Eurasian origin is suggested by Mitochondrial DNA both for ancient (proto-) and modern Bulgarians, as well as a genetic similarity between them. Aris N. Poulianos also states that Thracians, like modern Bulgarians, belonged mainly to the Aegean anthropological type. MiltenR (talk) 21:53, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
References
- (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26416319/)
- (https://bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/present-day-bulgarians-carry-genes-of-thracians-and-proto-bulgarians-not-of-slavs)
- (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/687384v3.full)
- (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3590186/)
- (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41945-0)