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	Hello Lee M, your article on ] got me thinking. (This is my first attempt at adding information to wikipedia). One of the differences between the BBC version and the book you list is "Aragorn receives a black standard from Arwen as a sign that he should rouse the army of the dead. In the book the standard is that of the White Tree of Gondor."
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	I suppose this is in reference to the line "And with that he bade Halbarad unfurl the great standard which he had brought; and behold! it was black, and if there was any device upon it, it was hidden in the darkness." This appears both in the book and the radio series so I don't see there is any disagreement. Any thoughts? Am I posting this info to the correct page?

			The Cast and Credits section currently reads Narrator (UK version): Gerard Murphy and Narrator (American version): Tammy Grimes, but I don't believe this is entirely accurate. Gerard Murphy is credited in the in-show credits as the narrator, meaning he does the descriptive background voice linking the scenes (in all broadcast and retail versions, UK and US). Tammy Grimes meanwhile was apparently hired to speak an intro for each of the 26 episodes in the original US broadcast, a sort of "previously on", which does not affect the original narration at all and has never been included in any later editions (beginning with the conversion to 13 episodes the following year) or commercial releases that I'm aware of.
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			Thoughts? I was confused by this entry in Misplaced Pages, thinking they re-recorded the show's narration for the US (and wondering why I didn't remember it that way) until I listened to an original 26-episode US recording. But I'm not sure how best this could be reflected. Maybe list Gerard Murphy as Narrator without any version, and Tammy Grimes as Episode Recaps (26 episode American version)? ] (]) 03:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
	Regards, Tim --] 13:06, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

			:If you can find and cite a reliable source to that effect, then make the change and cite it. ] (]) 04:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
	:Hmm...I must admit I'd forgotten that particular reference...but then in ROTK Book 1 chapter 6 there's another reference to the banner: "There flowered a White Tree, and that was for Gondor; but the seven stars were about it....And the stars flamed in the sunlight, for they were wrought of gems by Arwen, daughter of Elrond..."
			::What would constitute a reliable source in this case? I haven't seen it noted clearly this way anywhere online, but I have various recordings right here (including a Tammy Grimes/US radio rebroadcast recorded off the air in 1982) and Gerard Murphy's narration is audible across all versions available that I've ever heard. ] (]) 19:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

	:Obviously it's ''that'' passage that I was thinking of, and there's no reference to the White Tree at all in the BBC version. Assuming it's the same standard, and there's no reason not to, then presumably it was either wreathed in shadow in the earlier scene, or more likely enchanted so that it would only show its true colours when needed. Either way, I admit that the radio series article needs revising. If you don't mind, I'll include this correspondence on the article's Talk page for clarification.

	:Anyway, thanks for bringing it up... ] 02:04, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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Narrator Credits

The Cast and Credits section currently reads Narrator (UK version): Gerard Murphy and Narrator (American version): Tammy Grimes, but I don't believe this is entirely accurate. Gerard Murphy is credited in the in-show credits as the narrator, meaning he does the descriptive background voice linking the scenes (in all broadcast and retail versions, UK and US). Tammy Grimes meanwhile was apparently hired to speak an intro for each of the 26 episodes in the original US broadcast, a sort of "previously on", which does not affect the original narration at all and has never been included in any later editions (beginning with the conversion to 13 episodes the following year) or commercial releases that I'm aware of.

Thoughts? I was confused by this entry in Misplaced Pages, thinking they re-recorded the show's narration for the US (and wondering why I didn't remember it that way) until I listened to an original 26-episode US recording. But I'm not sure how best this could be reflected. Maybe list Gerard Murphy as Narrator without any version, and Tammy Grimes as Episode Recaps (26 episode American version)? 2601:646:877F:AEC0:FBBD:777A:3A13:2E23 (talk) 03:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

If you can find and cite a reliable source to that effect, then make the change and cite it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

What would constitute a reliable source in this case? I haven't seen it noted clearly this way anywhere online, but I have various recordings right here (including a Tammy Grimes/US radio rebroadcast recorded off the air in 1982) and Gerard Murphy's narration is audible across all versions available that I've ever heard. 2601:646:877F:AEC0:FBBD:777A:3A13:2E23 (talk) 19:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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