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== Remove (temporal) ==
The phrases and parts are removed as they needs source, and must be instantly. If to "tag" it, literally anything can be put in and will be allowed, then there would be a sum of content that needs source keep piling up, and does not sound plausible. ] (]) 13:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
:Removing easily attributable content under the pretence that it's not sourced is unhelpful at best. You're also changing content as you see fit (without an explanation in sight). ] (]) 14:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
::If it is not sourced, it must be removed, almost in any circumstances, "easily attributable" or not is to each own's evaluation. No content is changed, all are removal of the phrases not sourced, or removal of some words or phrases that sound unsuitable to the encyclopedic tone. ] (]) 14:24, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
:::My guess is that you don't understand what attributable means, so I suggest you familiarize yourself with how Misplaced Pages works before creating more damage than you already have. ] (]) 14:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
::::I don't understand what it is in your sense, some words have multiple layers of interpretation depend on circumstances. It would be more helpful that you can interpret what you mean more specifically, perhaps? I'm not sure on what sort of "damage" have been done, either. ] (]) 14:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::I already left comments on your talk page that you ignored, along with the various warnings that were left by myself other editors. Reading those should help. 14:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::: I have read it, it does not sound like there is anything helpful with the "easily attributable" content that is not sourced or such. ] (]) 15:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
::The content is not sourced or such. It doesn't sound like you want to specify the "easily attributable" part of content that needs source and it doesn't sound like you want to talk in general. If you don't respond after another 20 hours, I will restore the change. ] (]) 02:24, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
:::In that case, let me make it very easy for you: should you add ], change or delete anything without giving a valid reason or dare to edit war (which is what you're promising), I will not hesitate to report you. Btw, I'm not your teacher, I don't owe you a thing, and given the attitude, I don't feel like going out of my way to help you. ] (]) 02:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
::::The reason given is valid enough: the phrases removed are not sourced. Nothing in there is related to the link you gave about "original research", because I don't add or make any new claim, or phrase whatsoever. What I did is change the writing and some words of some sentences so as that they suit the encyclopedic tone, that is another totally valid reason that follows the encyclopedic guildline. This type of change is done commonly and by many. You are likely the single one who is currently and constantly getting exasperated over such normal changes for no reason. I don't have an obligation to add every single pieces of what is changed and to explain too intricately to you because the reasons for every pieces are the same: they are not sourced and they does not suit the encyclopedic tone. If you want me to do so, then you, as an objector to the change, have the obligation to specify any part that you object, if you fails that, you don't have any right to ask me to do much more than you whatsoever. I understand that I initiate the change and I'm sort of required to explain sort of more. But, that doesn't mean you can act like a big boss, demanding people to do much much more than you, why you yourself literally don't move a finger or only make negligible moves, as well as giving small, vague questions and demands to others, so to give yourself an false image of a higher position. You don't own this written work. This is an environment of cooperation and both sides are required give the same effort of explanation, no one is the boss and has the right to demand others to explain much more than themselves. If your question is vague, then I answer it vaguely like what I did above. If you asked in more details and more specifically, I will answer it specifically to the parts you asked, I am ready to satisfy you that way, so for the case you understand your position and mine, equal contributors.
:::: ] (]) 05:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

M.Bitton, the writing problem here is that the words in some sentences and phrases do not suit the encyclopedic tone hence these are changed/tuned. Other than that, removed phrases are all about being not sourced. This is very basic change, I wouldn't do this if I haven't seen this done. Please ignore and let me have a time and edit at least other articles, sure if not this or some articles. We will see if my edit is really unjustified or wrong or not, anyone would have come up and revert them, not only up to you. But up to now you are the most and only one persistently or randomly get after me and have problems with my changes. ] (]) 04:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:That's a claim that you need to substantiate using more than the meaningless "changed/tuned", especially when doing things like changing "in today's Nigeria" into "in what later is Nigeria" (just one example among many). There is nothing basic about removing easily attributable content (such as the culture section that you obliterated) without providing a valid reason. Do you really need a source for ] and ]? You got away with some of your edits because, so far, you only edited low traffic articles; try similar edits on ] or ] and see what happens. While I'm not the only editor who reverted your unjustified content removal, I asked you on more than one occasion to justify them. ] (]) 12:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::We needs source for every phrases and paragraphs. People are not mandated to click on other article links to read the sources from there. "Today" is too general and can always change, so using the latter phrase is a more stable alternative. ] (]) 12:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::1) No, we don't need reliable sources for every sentence and paragraph. 2) You explanation regarding the "today" doesn't hold much water. ] (]) 12:58, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::1) Why don't we need? 2) Why doesn't it hold water?; "today" always change, so it's not accurate and legitimate to use that term. You are just commenting and criticizing my statements without giving further explanation and details. ] (]) 13:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::That's how Misplaced Pages works. You need to provide a convincing argument and seek consensus for your change (not the other way round). ] (]) 13:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I know that. Can you explain why "today" can be used, and why "we don't need reliable sources for every sentence and paragraph"? Please focus on what I'm asking above. ] (]) 13:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::I already explained to you that we don't need sources for content that is easily attributable. Do you need a source to prove that Paris is the capital of France? No and anyone who asks for one is just being unnecessarily difficult. I already explained the rest. ] (]) 13:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, because there are cases which the capital changes, we need sources for anything, including "Paris is the capital of France". And there are readers, like very young kids, may not know or heard that fact despite it being a common knowledge to many others, so yes, everything needs source. ] (]) 13:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::In that case, you're welcome to add them.
:::::::::: Am I also welcomed to remove them, yes? If not, why? ] (]) 13:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, you cannot remove them without providing a valid reason. ] (]) 13:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::Removing content not sourced is a valid reason because people read it don't know where that content comes from. Why is it not a valid reason? ] (]) 13:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Why would you remove "Paris is the capital of France"? ] (]) 13:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Because it is not sourced, and some readers who don't know that before want to make sure that the statement is trustworthy. ] (]) 13:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Let me try another way: why not just add a source if you're that concerned? ] (]) 13:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: Maybe I'm unable to find one? And I'm not sure if the source I find is trustworthy? And other reasons? ] (]) 13:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Sticking to the same example: finding a source that says "Paris is the capital of France" is easy, the question is: have you tried? ] (]) 13:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::I have tried and I have found some sources. For that example, yes, it is easy to add to that. But for some examples is another story, which is harder to find, that makes you uninterested in finding them, and removing the content not sourced is the mandatory and temporary step before anything else. ] (]) 13:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::So you claim, but I very much doubt that you looked for the sources (especially, for the examples that I have cited above). ] (]) 13:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::If you found the sources for example above, you can spend the time adding them if you truly care, and I will not remove them anymore. I personally saw a content not sourced then I just removed it, as a random reader, because I don't know where that comes from. Why would a reader who is reading this page spend the time looks for another source just to check the trustworthiness and read the same content? ] (]) 13:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::::There is a difference between a reader and an editor. The latter has certain responsibilities, which among other things, include spending time reading and understanding how Misplaced Pages works. ] (]) 13:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::We don't have the responsibility to find a source to add to content we read that is not sourced. We, as readers and editors, have two options that is our rights to do: to remove it (option 1), or to waste time to find another source just to keep what has been read (option 2). if you choose the option 2, that's your choice. I choose option 1, because of certain reasons, and I have the right to do so, before I do anything else that I may be interested. ] (]) 14:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
{{od}} Since you're obviously here to "teach the rules", there is nothing else I can possibly say to you. I'm done trying to reason with you. ] (]) 14:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

:It's you who is the first to lecture me about the rules and who lead me to talk about the rules in this talk page. If rules has to be talked about to deal with the article's content, then so be it. "Done trying to reason" with someone is not a valid way to escape your responsibility. You revert a fellow editor, you have the responsibilty to talk to them and consitently participate until that consensus is reached to settle the issue. If you stop discussing just because some of their comments does not satisfy the way of your logic, you don't have the right to prohibit any editor from continue editing. ] (]) 14:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

You're going to discuss or not, or keep reverting without discussion? ] (]) 16:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:What needed to be said has been said. Nonetheless, I will repeat for you one last time: the onus is on you to provide a valid reason for content that you delete and to seek consensus for any content that you change. These are the rules that I don't have to talk about ad nauseam with you.

:Pinging an experienced admin who may have better luck getting the message across: {{re|Doug Weller}} time and everything else permitting, could you please have a look at this case as I have ran out of things to say to this editor who's doesn't seem to understand that easily attributable content (ex: mentions of ], ], Hausa, Zarma-Songhai, etc) should not be deleted without providing a valid reason? Thanks. ] (]) 16:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::Yes, the onus is on me to provide the "valid" reason, but valid according to who, you? I already explained that the removed content needs source. Is that not valid enough? You asked me to provide valid reason, but you don't ask in further details which needed to be provided, then how do I or anyone answer it to you properly? ] (]) 16:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I will have to sum this up for M.Bitton to understand. There are only 2 main types of these changes across articles: 1) remove sentences not sourced 2) change the writing and words of sentences and remove some opinion pieces so as to suit the encyclopedic tone, as well as cutting some repeated sentences and statements that seems superfluously lengthy to make it more concise. Every changes are for just those two reasons. If you ask, please ask in details which part you would like to question; you just need one sentence for a question. You can't demand me per a vague question to explain every pieces of what is changed. I will explain every change, that is if you ask in more details. If I have to explain every change/removal without knowing further details then the reason I would say for each change would just be the same (restricted to the two simple reasons above), and that doesn't help you anything. ] (]) 18:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

:And yet ], ] and ] have given you warnings. I'll sum up by saying that if this continues, you'll be blocked. ] ] 10:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

If you want to talk about the policies, I found these 2 links for you that make the 2 reasons for the change above valid: 1) this said about ] of the reason above, it said "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material", so that means I can choose to remove, if you want to restore, it's your onus, and 2) this said about the ] of sentences even if attributed to sources, so there's nothing original research like you claim, the content is mandated to be tuned to suit the encyclopedic tone and may differ slightly from how it is written in the source, this applies regularly.

Why don't you explain about why my statement about the change from "today" to "what later is" "doesn't hold much water"? You then asked another thing. Right, please talk and finish that part first, then you will very likely understand the rest of the changes.

It is ad nauseam of course because you did not actually explain anything or make any countering point, saying unclearly or changing the subject doesn't help, it's for someone who don't want to discuss or is trying to milk the discussion to make it a stalemate. If you feel tiresome and afraid of discussion, you can withdraw, however then, you don't have the right to prohibit any editor from continue editing by reverting without discussion. ] (]) 16:01, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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== Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2023 ==
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I demand to edit this page. No vandalism, promise. ] (]) 04:36, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2023 ==

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I think that I can update some of the information in this webpage ] (]) 10:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 11:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


== 2023 Nigerien coup d'état == == 2023 Nigerien coup d'état ==
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::::::::::@] I don't think it is appropriate to cold tag everyone who has ever talked on a page before with a new topic. ] (]) 00:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::@] I don't think it is appropriate to cold tag everyone who has ever talked on a page before with a new topic. ] (]) 00:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::@] Technically you can also read the discussions and take part in the debate ... ] (]) 05:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::@] Technically you can also read the discussions and take part in the debate ... ] (]) 05:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::If I wanted to take part in a debate or discussion, I will follow (star) a page and keep tabs on it. It's not your decision to bring others into a discussion that they weren't apart of. You were in a discussion with another editor about whether it was under a dictatorship or republic after several edits and reverts and wanted to make a significant classification change based on your opinion. Also, ] ''they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article''. Also, we don't edit on opinions. ] or original research. You were near an edit war and wanted to bring in other editors into it on this talk page. ] (]) 06:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Your ] aside, you seem to think that Misplaced Pages is a newspaper. ] (]) 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::Your ] aside, you seem to think that Misplaced Pages is a newspaper. ] (]) 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::@] I don't see what a newspaper has to do with wanting to correct a typo that crept into this article ... 🫥 ] (]) 06:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Don't know why I got pinged... <span style="font-weight:bold; color:SlateBlue;">] • ]</span> 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::Don't know why I got pinged... <span style="font-weight:bold; color:SlateBlue;">] • ]</span> 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::"#MeToo" ] (]) 01:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::"#MeToo" ] (]) 01:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::@] ,@]I've sent it to you so that you can read the exchanges on this discussion page and give your opinion ^^ ] (]) 05:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::::@] ,@]I've sent it to you so that you can read the exchanges on this discussion page and give your opinion ^^ ] (]) 05:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I just had a topic regarding Nigerien flag in this Talk page. ] (]) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::@] Niger is a republic under a military junta, the constitution Niger 2010 (rev. 2017) is still in effect therefore the state is same but government has changed. ] (]) 00:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC) ::::::::::@] Niger is a republic under a military junta, the constitution Niger 2010 (rev. 2017) is still in effect therefore the state is same but government has changed. ] (]) 00:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::@] The 2010 Constitution was suspended by the military junta on July 28, 2023, at the same time as the National Assembly was dissolved ( here's a source to confirm my point: https://www.reuters.com/article/niger-securite-macron-idFRKBN2Z80LR] ) ] (]) 06:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC) :::::::::::@] The 2010 Constitution was suspended by the military junta on July 28, 2023, at the same time as the National Assembly was dissolved ( here's a source to confirm my point: https://www.reuters.com/article/niger-securite-macron-idFRKBN2Z80LR] ) ] (]) 06:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::@] You seem to be right, but, disprove of an evidence if not disproval of a statement. There is no active removal of word "republique" anywhere i could find, unless an otherwise action is taken the country is republic.
::::::::::::Suggest an alternative, if they are not a republic what they are? Monarchy? Theocracy? Anarchy? Military juntas, with exception of Greece, Spain and Italy, were almost always formed on the framework of republic. This did not dissolve republic, it did damaged the democratic institutions yes but unless you prove military is against use of word republic and suggests a new type of state then we wpuld reach an agreement here. ] (]) 06:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@]It's not a theocracy, since there is no state religion. Islam is certainly in the majority in Niger, but that doesn't make it the state religion. Nor is it anarchy, since even if there are no longer any institutions representing the people, there is still a head of state and a prime minister appointed by the latter. On the other hand, Niger's current political regime can be described as a military dictatorship, in the sense that the military took power illegally (not through democratic elections, but by force), and that the population's representative institutions and the constitution (which made the country a republic) have been suspended. Moreover, just because the military junta in Niger says it's a republic doesn't mean it is, otherwise North Korea 🇰🇵 is a republic... ] (]) 10:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@] North Korea IS a republic per nom, a republic does not mean it is democratic. ] (]) 10:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::elaboration: yes indeed republics are tend to be more democratic than, lets say, monarchies but not all republics are democracies and many of them are flawed democracies. Saddam's Iraq and Gaddafi's Libya were republics. ] (]) 10:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


France-Pt9301 has been blocked as a sockpuppet. ] ] 08:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023 ==

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In the primary infobox, replace "Interim President CNSP Chairman" with "President," and "Omar Tchiani" with "National Council for the Safeguard of the Homeland". Tchiani's inclusion is based entirely on the unsourced claims of one editor; there are no existing sources which claim that Tchiani has been appointed CNSP chair or even that he is a member of the CNSP at all. ] (]) 05:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{done}} ] (]) 06:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)


== Edit request == == Edit request ==
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Is the ratio of flag correct? In the French article the flag is longer. ] (]) 22:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC) Is the ratio of flag correct? In the French article the flag is longer. ] (]) 22:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
:Covered in the article "Flag of Niger". ] (]) 08:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC) :Covered in the article "Flag of Niger". ] (]) 08:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

== The Niger capitalization ==

shouldn't be the term 'The Niger' with T capitalized? ] (]) 21:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

== Name Pronunciation ==

The opening has "The standard pronunciation in English is /niːˈʒɛər/," Since when and "standard" according to what? It's always been pronounced the same as the river, NYE-jer, in the US, until a few in the media recently.] (]) 21:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

:All I can tell you is that the English-speaking expatriate community in Niamey is divided in the pronunciation of the name. Most of us use the French pronunciation /niːˈʒɛər/, including the U.S. embassy. Some English-speakers do use the NYE-jer pronunciation, and that's fine. When I'm in the U.S., I hear a wild variety of pronunciations, but usually something close to Nye-JEER. What source do you have that it's "always been pronounced the same as the river, NYE-jer, in the US"? ] (]) 22:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

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The current article incorrectly states that Hausa is the official language of Niger. However, the official language of Niger is French. I request the following phrases to be replaced: "Jamhuriyar Nijar" be replaced with "République du Niger", the motto "Zumunci, Aiki, Ci gaba" with "Fraternité, Travail, Progrès" , the anthem be replaced from "Girmama Uban (Hausa)" to "L'honneur de la patrie" and lastly the official languages be changed from "Hausa" to "French". There are no credible sources that state Hausa being the official language of Niger.

] (]) 16:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
:] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> This change was ] shortly after your request was posted. ] (]) 22:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2023 ==

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Please change the '''''<big>page image</big>''''' from ] to ] for consistency with other country articles. Basically this means that whenever you look up Niger in the search bar the flag pops up instead of the mapped green Niger land, thanks. ] (]) 21:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> what page image? if you're talking about a preview image on a search engine, we don't control that. ] (]) 21:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
::@] I think the request is for Misplaced Pages's own search bar, where the preview image when typing "Niger" gives the map when other countries/regions usually give the flag (though after checking a few it looks like Nepal uses the national emblem for some reason?) ] (]) 02:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I asked at the Teahouse and am told that the image selection is automatic, and that for Niger the big coat of arms next to the flag in the infobox probably makes the flag small enough that the map is chosen instead for the preview, so there's not much to be done about it ] (]) 21:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Coordinate error ==

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—] (]) 21:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article, and they appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to supply a clear explanation of what it is. ] (]) 22:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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scramble created the current 'african nations' ] (]) 00:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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2023 Nigerien coup d'état

I added the WP:CET 'Current Event' template since there appears to be an ongoing coup. There is a 2023 Nigerien coup d'état page documenting the coup. P37307 (talk) 08:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

@Vif12vf
Niger is not a republic but a military dictatorship. Indeed, a republic is, and I quote: "a form of government
form of government with a constitution and whose representatives are elected by the people for a fixed term", but in the case of Niger 🇳🇪, the military came to power by force (they were not elected by the people and, in addition, there are no representatives of the people, since the national assembly has been dissolved). Consequently, this is not a republic... France-Pt9301 (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
this is not a republic do you have sources to back this claim? M.Bitton (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton 2958009 https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3552918/us-says-july-ouster-of-nigers-government-was-a-coup/] https://www.europe1.fr/international/niger-la-france-ne-reconnait-pas-les-autorites-issues-du-putsch-4196311]. Here are a few sources. The 3 countries cited in these sources (France, the United States and the United Kingdom) do not recognise the military as legitimate authorities and describe this putsch as a "coup d'état". Beyond that, the Misplaced Pages page for the National Assembly of Niger (National Assembly (Niger)) indicates that this body is currently suspended and unless you have sources to prove the contrary, I have not seen any articles saying that there was a parliament (Transitional Assembly or Senate) representative of the people of Niger, which is one of the characteristics of the republic. From that moment on, Niger is no longer a republic. France-Pt9301 (talk) 22:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
None of the sources that you presented supports your assertion. M.Bitton (talk) 22:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
M.Bitton On the contrary, my sources confirm that the military putsch in Niger is considered a coup d'état by the international community. Here is another source (https://reliefweb.int/report/niger/niger-rights-risk-military-coup) other than the Misplaced Pages article which confirms that the parliament which represented the citizens of Niger was dissolved, as was the Constitution. A republic is characterised by the fact that its citizens are represented by the legislature and therefore by parliaments. So unless you have a source proving that the military junta has set up a Transitional Assembly or a Senate, yes, it's a military dictatorship and not a republic. France-Pt9301 (talk) 22:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Your assertion (in green) is not confirmed by the sources that you presented. On the other hand, reliable sources describing Niger as a republic can be cited ad nauseam. M.Bitton (talk) 22:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton First of all, I don't see where you see green. Secondly, on the contrary, the sources I cited confirm my statement and confirm that the international community considers the 2023 military putsch in Niger to be a coup d'état. Furthermore, the military who came to power illegally dissolved the National Assembly, as detailed in the Misplaced Pages page of the National Assembly of Niger, which I invite you to reread, as well as this source (https://reliefweb.int/report/ niger/niger-rights-risk-military-coup) and a Republic is, I quote: a mode of organization of a country in which power is exercised by the population or its representatives according to the Misplaced Pages article and numerous dictionaries. Apart from the National Assembly having been suspended, the people are no longer represented and the Republic is no longer... But perhaps you have a source to prove the opposite to me? I would like to see your articles saying that Niger is a Republic.... France-Pt9301 (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Let me highlight it for you again.
this is not a republic
Just use your favourite search engine to search for "Niger is a Republic" and help yourself to countless reliable sources.
Hope that helps because I don't intend on repeating what was said here and on your talk page. M.Bitton (talk) M.Bitton (talk) 23:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton I typed "Niger is a Republic" and the articles I came across date from the time when Bazoum was in power so not updating... Instead of bothering to scroll for hours I'm going to ask for the opinions of other Internet users: @Doug Weller,@BTBG,@Melecie,@Clyde H. Mapping, @EditorOnOccasion, @Aminabzz, @Cactus Ronin, @MarcioRob, @P37307, @Cirkill, @Joshb92004, @Dixmakr, @Gilimi, @Szyign, @Pdhadam, @Jochem van Hees , @Claraaa2611, @Edward-Woodrow, @IvanScrooge98, @Escj123, @Adxm e12, @Jjj1238, @OxmiThree, @Ira Leviton, @JESCFan11, @Smthngnw, @Materialscientist, @Tastilazo, What do you think of this debate? For my part I think that in the infobox, in the type of government part, the word Republic must be removed and replaced by Military dictatorship because the military junta came to power illegally through a coup d'état and that it dissolved not only the Constitution but also the National Assembly (as detailed in the Misplaced Pages article on the National Assembly of Niger). There are therefore no longer any representatives of the Nigerien population in the country's politics and I am not aware of the creation of a parliament representing citizens as was the case in Mali where the military junta currently in power power created the Transitional Assembly. However, as the Misplaced Pages page for the Republic specifies, one of the characteristics of the Republic is that it is "a method of organizing a country in which power is exercised by the population or its representatives". Therefore, I do not consider Niger (led by the military junta) as a Republic but would like to have your opinion on it since Mr. Bitton is a supporter of the Republic. Having other opinions will allow us to decide. France-Pt9301 (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
@France-Pt9301 I don't think it is appropriate to cold tag everyone who has ever talked on a page before with a new topic. P37307 (talk) 00:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@P37307 Technically you can also read the discussions and take part in the debate ... France-Pt9301 (talk) 05:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
If I wanted to take part in a debate or discussion, I will follow (star) a page and keep tabs on it. It's not your decision to bring others into a discussion that they weren't apart of. You were in a discussion with another editor about whether it was under a dictatorship or republic after several edits and reverts and wanted to make a significant classification change based on your opinion. Also, Misplaced Pages:NOTFORUM they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article. Also, we don't edit on opinions. Misplaced Pages:OR or original research. You were near an edit war and wanted to bring in other editors into it on this talk page. P37307 (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Your WP:OR aside, you seem to think that Misplaced Pages is a newspaper. M.Bitton (talk) 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@M.Bitton I don't see what a newspaper has to do with wanting to correct a typo that crept into this article ... 🫥 France-Pt9301 (talk) 06:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Don't know why I got pinged... Edward-Woodrow • talk 00:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
"#MeToo" Aminabzz (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@Aminabzz ,@Edward-WoodrowI've sent it to you so that you can read the exchanges on this discussion page and give your opinion ^^ France-Pt9301 (talk) 05:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I just had a topic regarding Nigerien flag in this Talk page. Aminabzz (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@France-Pt9301 Niger is a republic under a military junta, the constitution Niger 2010 (rev. 2017) is still in effect therefore the state is same but government has changed. Cactus Ronin (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@Cactus Ronin The 2010 Constitution was suspended by the military junta on July 28, 2023, at the same time as the National Assembly was dissolved ( here's a source to confirm my point: https://www.reuters.com/article/niger-securite-macron-idFRKBN2Z80LR] ) France-Pt9301 (talk) 06:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@France-Pt9301 You seem to be right, but, disprove of an evidence if not disproval of a statement. There is no active removal of word "republique" anywhere i could find, unless an otherwise action is taken the country is republic.
Suggest an alternative, if they are not a republic what they are? Monarchy? Theocracy? Anarchy? Military juntas, with exception of Greece, Spain and Italy, were almost always formed on the framework of republic. This did not dissolve republic, it did damaged the democratic institutions yes but unless you prove military is against use of word republic and suggests a new type of state then we wpuld reach an agreement here. Cactus Ronin (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@Cactus RoninIt's not a theocracy, since there is no state religion. Islam is certainly in the majority in Niger, but that doesn't make it the state religion. Nor is it anarchy, since even if there are no longer any institutions representing the people, there is still a head of state and a prime minister appointed by the latter. On the other hand, Niger's current political regime can be described as a military dictatorship, in the sense that the military took power illegally (not through democratic elections, but by force), and that the population's representative institutions and the constitution (which made the country a republic) have been suspended. Moreover, just because the military junta in Niger says it's a republic doesn't mean it is, otherwise North Korea 🇰🇵 is a republic... 2A02:8440:340A:BC23:5851:F2E0:7D2A:6145 (talk) 10:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
@2A02:8440:340A:BC23:5851:F2E0:7D2A:6145 North Korea IS a republic per nom, a republic does not mean it is democratic. Cactus Ronin (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
elaboration: yes indeed republics are tend to be more democratic than, lets say, monarchies but not all republics are democracies and many of them are flawed democracies. Saddam's Iraq and Gaddafi's Libya were republics. Cactus Ronin (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

France-Pt9301 has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Doug Weller talk 08:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

In the lead, "After the military coup in 2010, Niger became a multi-party state."

Is this sentence outdated? Niger is now in another period of military rule. The lead should be updated to reflect current events. We might add something like "until 2023" or something. There are probably better ways to word this.

Also, "three periods of military rule" in the previous sentence. Is it now four? Update accordingly if needed. 108.160.120.130 (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe the first sentence is outdated, it reads fine and is factually correct. It would be worth adding a short sentence afterwards mentioning the recent coup and at least linking to the article on the present crisis but I don't believe enough information is yet available to state that Niger is no longer a "multi-party state": activities by political parties have been suspended but not political parties themselves, and with the situation continuing to develop any change here may need regular updates.
Likewise on your latter point, this may be subject to rapid change and (in my opinion) a "period" of military rule implies a reasonable length of time. However input from any editors that have contributed to articles during a similar crisis in the past would be helpful. EditorOnOccasion (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The MIDI file I added for national anthem is temporary

I am well aware that the MIDI file is in poor quality. I do not know music theory and my expertise is history and linguistics, and not music, therefore the file I compiled is not in very good shape.

Therefore, until a better quality file is added the file should stay there. But I hope it is not for long time because it decreases the page's encyclopedic quality. You are free to remix and edit the file (as it is licensed under CC 3.0 by original creator.). Cactus Ronin (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Flag

Is the ratio of flag correct? In the French article the flag is longer. Aminabzz (talk) 22:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Covered in the article "Flag of Niger". 108.160.120.91 (talk) 08:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

The Niger capitalization

shouldn't be the term 'The Niger' with T capitalized? 83.168.137.1 (talk) 21:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Name Pronunciation

The opening has "The standard pronunciation in English is /niːˈʒɛər/," Since when and "standard" according to what? It's always been pronounced the same as the river, NYE-jer, in the US, until a few in the media recently.Venqax (talk) 21:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

All I can tell you is that the English-speaking expatriate community in Niamey is divided in the pronunciation of the name. Most of us use the French pronunciation /niːˈʒɛər/, including the U.S. embassy. Some English-speakers do use the NYE-jer pronunciation, and that's fine. When I'm in the U.S., I hear a wild variety of pronunciations, but usually something close to Nye-JEER. What source do you have that it's "always been pronounced the same as the river, NYE-jer, in the US"? seberle (talk) 22:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

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The current article incorrectly states that Hausa is the official language of Niger. However, the official language of Niger is French. I request the following phrases to be replaced: "Jamhuriyar Nijar" be replaced with "République du Niger", the motto "Zumunci, Aiki, Ci gaba" with "Fraternité, Travail, Progrès" , the anthem be replaced from "Girmama Uban (Hausa)" to "L'honneur de la patrie" and lastly the official languages be changed from "Hausa" to "French". There are no credible sources that state Hausa being the official language of Niger.

YourAverageBenghazian (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

 Already done This change was reverted shortly after your request was posted. Jamedeus (talk) 22:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Please change the page image from  to  for consistency with other country articles. Basically this means that whenever you look up Niger in the search bar the flag pops up instead of the mapped green Niger land, thanks. 97.77.64.90 (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. what page image? if you're talking about a preview image on a search engine, we don't control that. Cannolis (talk) 21:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
@Cannolis I think the request is for Misplaced Pages's own search bar, where the preview image when typing "Niger" gives the map when other countries/regions usually give the flag (though after checking a few it looks like Nepal uses the national emblem for some reason?) Placeholderer (talk) 02:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
I asked at the Teahouse and am told that the image selection is automatic, and that for Niger the big coat of arms next to the flag in the infobox probably makes the flag small enough that the map is chosen instead for the preview, so there's not much to be done about it Placeholderer (talk) 21:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article, and they appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to supply a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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scramble created the current 'african nations' 103.137.93.103 (talk) 00:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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