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== STG seems to be given way too much importance in this article == |
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== Topic: includes AR-15 rifles and M4s? == |
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The AK was developed as an SMG and so the STG had relatively minor influence on it, especially given their wildly different mechanics and the M-16 was introduced in the 60's after pretty much everyone else had come up with an assault rifle, so it was a couple of generations removed from the STG being the shiniest AR on the block. Given that the STG wasn't nearly as influential on the AKM or the M16 as it was on say the G3, I really struggle to see why half the article comparing the two is about it. ] (]) 11:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC) |
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*''The M16's aluminum lower receivers may be ] or ].<ref>. Olyarms.com. Retrieved on 2011-09-27.</ref> Their receivers may also be made from titanium and a variety of other metallic alloys,<ref>. Olyarms.com. Retrieved on 2011-11-19.</ref><ref>http://amalgamatedti.com/lower.pdf Amalgamated Titanium AR-15 lower receiver</ref><ref>http://amalgamatedti.com/upper.pdf Amalgamated Titanium AR-15 upper receiver</ref> composites<ref>. Bushmaster. Retrieved on 2011-11-19.</ref> or polymers.<ref>. Cavalry Manufacturing. Retrieved on 2011-09-27.</ref> If necessary, the M16 can be machined from a billet of steel<ref>{{citation |url=http://www.dpmsinc.com/Frequently-Asked_ep_55-1.html |publisher= DPMS Panther Arms |title=Frequently Asked Questions #23. What types of lower receivers does DPMS offer for the AR15?}}</ref> and fitted with wooden furniture.<ref>http://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/2016/02/03/pictures-great-looking-wooden-furniture-ars/ 12 Pictures of Gorgeous Looking Wooden Furniture for ARs. BY: Daniel Xu, 2/3/16</ref> The M16's aluminum lower receiver may even be ], allowing "people with no gunsmith training to assemble a working assault rifle at home".<ref>http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191388-1200-the-price-of-legally-3d-printing-your-own-metal-ar-15-rifle-at-home Extreme Tech. $1200: The price of (legally) 3D printing your own metal AR-15 rifle at home. By Ryan Whitwam on October 2, 2014</ref><ref>http://www.computerworld.com/article/2689843/3d-vendor-sells-1500-part-to-make-metal-guns.html Computerworld. 3D vendor sells $1,500 machine to make metal guns. By Lucas Mearian Oct 1, 2014</ref> The M16's internal components such as the bolt carrier group and charging handle may also be made of titanium.<ref>http://amalgamatedti.com/bcg.pdf Amalgamated Titanium AR-15 Bolt Carrier Group</ref><ref>http://amalgamatedti.com/charger.pdf Amalgamated Titanium AR-15 Charging Handle</ref> This makes the M16 ideal for ], spread among many small manufacturers around the country, using a variety of materials and manufacturing methods; this ensures it would be nearly impossible to disrupt U.S. M16 production in the case of a major conflict.'' |
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Virtually every source in this paragraph concerns civilian AR-15s, not military M16 rifles. (The last sentences looks like it might be original research). |
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*''As of 2015, the United States military buys M4 Carbines for $647 (USD) per unit.<ref>http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/fy2016/FY16_ITEF_J_Book.pdf OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BUDGET FISCAL YEAR (FY) 2016. March 2015. FY 2016 Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) Iraq Train and Equip Fund (ITEF)</ref> |
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This sentence refers to the price of M4 carbines, not M16 rifles. So the question is, does the scope of this article cover the entire AR-15 family versus the entire AK47 family? If so, that should be explained in the introduction. Also, when a source talks about an AR-15 we shouldn't change that to M16, we should say, for example "The AR-15's aluminum lower receivers may be ] or ]", or "Aluminum M16-style lower receivers may be..." since that's what the sources says. ] (]) 20:32, 30 November 2016 (UTC) |
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:Perhaps the best way of defining the scope of this article would be to limit it to those specific derivatives of the AK and AR types that have been adopted as service rifles by the USSR/Russia or the U.S. That would include the AK-74, AK-105, etc, and the HK416, but exclude civilian AR-15 models. ] (]) 01:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|RAF910}} you've been the most active editor on this page recently. Any response before I start removing references to civilian weapons? ] (]) 19:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC) |
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:::It's been a month. I'm going to delete the paragraph and alter the intro to indicate that the comparison extends to derivative service weapons. ] (]) 17:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC) |
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The article incorrectly refers to the mechanism for the M16 platform as "direct
impingement" multiple times, but does also call out this general misconception in one section. Is there any opposition to fixing the incorrect terminology? The operating mechanism is more correctly called "internal piston." Jasavina (talk) 18:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I just removed a repetitive citation from a bullet point list, since it's all the same source and left the one at the end of the sentence introducing the bullet points. This seems a lot cleaner, but I can't find a wiki style guide saying how to deal with violet point citations. Anyone know what the convention is? Jasavina (talk) 22:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
The AK was developed as an SMG and so the STG had relatively minor influence on it, especially given their wildly different mechanics and the M-16 was introduced in the 60's after pretty much everyone else had come up with an assault rifle, so it was a couple of generations removed from the STG being the shiniest AR on the block. Given that the STG wasn't nearly as influential on the AKM or the M16 as it was on say the G3, I really struggle to see why half the article comparing the two is about it. HamNCheeseSandwich (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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