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== Requirements section is too important == | |||
==GAN== | |||
I'm putting this article on hold pending the resolution of the following issues: | |||
"Requirements" section is one of the most important sections of a videogame article in wikipedia. where the is it???!!! --] (]) 18:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
*'''Images''': The screenshots need expanded fair use rationales in their own separate sections, with a description specifically for the article. See ] for an example (of the description, not the actual image; some person uploaded a waaay too large file which is entirely invalid for the fair use, I need to change that.) | |||
**done ] (]) 22:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
Keep in mind that basic Misplaced Pages policy entails that articles are informative and encyclopedic in nature, and are not meant to be video game manuals for would-be players. Articles present information for a general, concise, terse taste of the subject. See ] for more info. ] (]) 21:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
*'''Lead''': Needs to be expanded to touch on development, et al. As per ], the lead should encompass the entire article (think of it as a crib notes version of the article, just the essentials.) | |||
**done ] (]) 23:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Other Half-Life expansion == | |||
*'''Organization''': The Characters and Setting should be put in a section titled 'Synopsis', which includes the plot. See '']'' for an example. | |||
**done ] (]) 23:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
I noticed that there is no reference to another little known expansion to the Half-Life game. The smaller expansion is located with another game (Gunman Chronicles maybe), but I am not sure which for it has been years since I played it. | |||
*'''Soundtracks''': Unless the soundtrack was commercially released, remove the track listing and incorporate the one line into the rest of the development section. | |||
The expansion basically consists of three missions. It starts off with Freeman talking to the G-Man in an office and the missions take place in a carnival setting, caves, and then some sort of shipping factory. If memory serves me correct, the purpose of those three missions was to either capture or set free three different crystals of some sort. Is there anyone that can verify this? I believe it came out around 2001-2002. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
**done ] (]) 22:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I had Gunman Chronicles (GC) back when I don't remember this. I recall once plasying something similar to what you describe but I believe it was just a fan mod. Even so, if there was a mod within GC I doubt it would be considered an official mod. '''<span style="color:red;">Я</span>ehevkor''' <big>]</big> 11:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
*'''Gameplay''' and '''Reception''': Both need to be expanded. The reception section might benefit from the inclusion of a {{tl|VG Reviews}} box. | |||
::That expansion is called Absolute Redemption. It was developed by Maverick software. It was included as a bonus game with "Half-Life: Counter-Strike" (The retain version of Counter-Strike). I personally think it would be OK to mention it somewhere on this page, whereas Gunman Chronicles would not belong here. However, Uplink should most definitely be mentioned, since it was developed by Valve. It is equivalent to Lost Coast. ] (]) 18:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
**cleaned up ] (]) 23:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
::: It is an unofficial mod, and seemingly not a notable one. Mentioning it seems unnecessary. ] []] 19:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
*'''Later developments''': Suggest moving to after the reception and reorganizing along with the third-party expansions: maybe make into two sections one after another, 'Expansions' and 'Sequels'? Or combine with 'Legacy', much like how '']'' does it. | |||
**done ] (]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Budget? == | |||
*'''References''': What makes Planet Half-Life a ]? The references should be formatted according to {{tl|cite web}}. | |||
** Formatted. I've also changed Planet Half-Life to GameSpy - they are the publishers. The information is edited by GameSpy before being published. ] (]) 22:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
Anyone know the game's budget? --] (]) 13:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
Once an editor feels these issues have been dealt with, leave me a note on my talk page and I'll evaluate further. Thanks, <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 20:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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:Much better. If someone is considering taking to FAC, I would suggest getting a peer review at ] first, and doing a copyedit for brilliant prose. The citations would be nicely formatted with dates and authors, as well. '''Pass'''. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 00:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Release Date == | |||
Seeing some conflicting information on the release date for Half-Life, based on the most recent edit by ]. Steam has changed their listed release date listed from Nov 19th to Nov 8th. Some reviews list Nov 19th, however, some use Oct 31st (Including Metacritic and IGN, but I believe they may be calling it "published date"). Think we need to get this cleared up and stick a source specifically to the release date. -- ] (]) 12:09, 2 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
:It's going to be difficult to cleared up this problem. I have an article about the 15 years of Half-Life on Lambda generation and two wikis. The Combine Overwiki and the Valve Developer Community's wiki. The release date is november 19 on this website and the two wiki : | |||
:http://lambdageneration.com/community/half-life/15-years-of-half-life/ | |||
:https://developer.valvesoftware.com/Valve_Time | |||
:http://combineoverwiki.net/Half-Life | |||
:The archives about Steam are clear about thi but why they change in this case ? I guess the only way is to ask Valve about that. | |||
:] (]) 14:27, 2 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Important Firsts == | |||
There are some important firsts in HL that aren't really mentioned. It was the first game to default to WASD + mouse (Quake and Quake II both defaulted to keyboard only control and arrow keys). | |||
There are rumors that they used WASD because those were the keys used by famous Quake gamer, Thresh.] (]) 02:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)IB | |||
:Thanks! I can add that, but I'll need a source stating that before I do. That's a pretty big claim to make, and I don't want to do it if it's inaccurate. --] (]) 02:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
Sorry but it wasn't the first to use WASD + mouse, Delta Force released a few months earlier used WASD + mouse by default.] (]) 14:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Grammatic mistake? == | |||
Shouldn't "it was too ambitious a project" be "it was too ambitious project"? Second row in second paragraph. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Discussion about merging ] into ] == | |||
The ] was recreated last year. With the new additions, I still don't think there is enough distinct information to warrant its own article. It's lacking detail and content in all areas. Anything currently written there can be summarised in several sentences within this article. I am proposing content be merged again and Half Life: Source be redirected back to Half Life. ] (]) 21:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''merge''' it's not even a remake, it's a port to a new engine. There's not enough difference for a separate article. ] (]) 23:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''Merge''' The game is nearly identical to the original release. The article has barely any content, and users are forced to read the Half-Life article if they want to know more about the game. Might as well merge the articles and keep all the information in the same place. ] 00:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
* '''Merge'''. Unless print sources pop up, the game's online sources predominantly discuss it in the context of the main game. The Black Mesa remake has much more coverage. I think there's consensus to go ahead with this. <span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em "Avenir";color:#909'>czar</span> ] 18:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
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== Valve LLC / Valve Corporation / Valve == | |||
Yo. I get where everyone's coming from. The company was called Valve LLC at the time. Sure. | |||
Except... actually it kind of wasn't. Nobody called it Valve LLC - not even the company itself, in its logo, branding etc - even though it was its legal name. Misplaced Pages uses the widely accepted names for things; for example, Microsoft's legal name is Microsoft Corporation but every article calls it Microsoft. The same goes for Nintendo Co., Ltd., Sega Games Co., Ltd., Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd., Capcom Co., Ltd... | |||
It would be wrong to say that ] was developed by Rare (the company was named Ultimate Play the Game at the time); its renaming was part of a drastic brand revamp for the company and the name used at the time was Ultimate Play the Game, not Rare. Whereas the difference in name between Valve LLC and Valve Corporation is purely legal and, for the purposes of normal use, irrelevant - everyone has always called the company Valve. ] (]) 12:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I have to say that your example actually muddies the waters even more - Rare ''weren't'' called "Ultimate Play the Game" at the time, they were called Ashby Computers and Graphics - they only traded as Ultimate. So in your example it's reasonable to not use the actual trading name of a company when deciding who the developer is. ] (]) 12:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
::I didn't know that, bad example, thanks. But it doesn't change the point: we use the ''common'' name. ] (]) 13:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::It is far to says that the common name ''should'' be used, but due to the disambiguation of the device, a ], the Valve Corporation article talk page dicded to use "Valve Corporation" instead of "Valve (company)", wherefore every article concerning it links to an unpipied "Valve Corporation", such as infoboxes and leads of their games, other articles mentioning it, or citations' "publisher" field, which, fairly, makes sense. The "Valve L.L.C." ("L.L.C." is a common form of writing ", LLC" from ], sometimes used in Washington State) title was then inserted to Valve's pre-2003 games to differentiate it from the disambiguated "Valve Corporation", as it was not the case back then. | |||
:::I agree that we ''could'' pipe it every time to Valve, but "Valve Corporation" was commonly adopted on this encyclopedia for the first mention, to know which "Valve" is meant in the first place, and Valve may be used further on, such as it is seen on ]' articles as well as ]. Saying, as long as the disambiguation and common usage of "Valve Corporation" presists as-is currently, we should keep Valve L.L.C. for infobox and lead, to introduce the "Valve" in question, then follow up with Valve through the article. If you would tend to change the disambiguation as a whole, please confront ]. ] (]) 13:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::It seems to me that the name of the Valve Corporation article - with regards to concerns like disambiguation - is a separate issue from how we refer to the company in prose. ] (]) 13:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::I posted on the Valve talk page. Thanks for the heads-up. I guess the conversation should be happening there, not here. ] (]) 14:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:{{od|:}}I'm still proposing to use "Valve" in this article and others. I invite others to contribute their thoughts on the ]. ] (]) 10:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
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== Merge Uplink == | |||
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] should probably be merged into this. We're giving rather ] to what is nothing more than the game's demo - yes, its story may not be in the game, but it has no independent ] and as such should not have a dedicated article. The article's relevant content can probably be merged fairly easily into ], or into ]. -- ] (]) 15:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I agree that ] should be merged into the main Half-Life article. The demo's plot could be then made into a vastly summarised version of the one in the Uplink article (which is ridiculously long IMO. It's basically a walkthrough lol). As for what section it should be placed under, I believe the ] is more fitting, as the demo did branch off into something seperate during the game's '''development''', and also it isn't an expansion. Well that's my take on it, what do you think? :) ] (]) 05:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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:'''AGREE''' The walthrough section is too large in Uplink, a mention during Half-Life's development section especially of the diffrerences and other details, will be enough. ] (]) 21:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
:'''Agree''' ] (]) 12:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Ok, I'll do the merge next week. I'm doing exams at the moment, but I'll get it done when they're over with. -- ] (]) 10:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Sorry for the delay on this, but I've moved all the relevant real-world information into this article's development and redirected the Uplink article. Merge complete, but feel free to expand (without going into gameguide material) on the demo. -- ] (]) 09:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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== Canceled Linux Game == | |||
Anyone care to add it? It's in the category, but not mentioned anywhere in the article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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== Sources == | ||
There should be a link somewhere in the article in reference to Garry's Mod. Half Life is one of the main games people use for GMod. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Isn't this mod only for ]? It's already mentioned there. ] (]) 03:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
The Source version of the original Half-Life can be used with Garry's Mod, but I think most people use Half-Life 2. ] (]) 01:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
*https://archive.org/details/edgeuk105/page/n79 | |||
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*https://web.archive.org/web/20011224063247/http://www.gamespot.fr/stories/news/0,1610,2008894,00.html | |||
It would be nice if we could somehow get an original release cover image for the page rather than the current "game of the year edition" cover. I know it's a small niggle, but I still think it's worth having for encyclopedic reasons. Before I went out of my way to look it up over at MobyGames, I'd never seen the original cover before, and had no idea what it looked like. -- ] (]) 10:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
*https://web.archive.org/web/20181229215317/https://www.hl-inside.ru/magazines/edge/Edge_2003-06_124/ | |||
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== Noclip documentary due next week == | |||
:It's a valid argument, so I've gone ahead and replaced the image with the original box art. Main difference is the lack of Freeman on the cover, but from an encyclopedic point I agree that we should have the original box art in the infobox rather than any later editions such as the Game of the Year box art. -- ] (]) 10:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Teaser vid but the full will be out Dec. 10. . --] (]) 19:52, 5 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
::Well, the cover shot I was referring to actually ''does'' have Gordon on the cover, it's just that he isn't in full view. This is because of the weird design decision Valve apparently made in having the front box flap shorter than the actual box, as you can see . Is the cover image you uploaded of the UK edition? That might explain the discrepancy. -- ] (]) 15:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Needs info on the censored German version == | |||
:That would be correct. Its a UK version. I would have just cropped off the extra flap bit anyway if I'd uploaded the US version. -- ] (]) 15:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
::I don't know. If we are going to show the original cover, I think it should be the original US version with flap. Even though it looks weird, it is what Valve/Sierra decided on. I've managed to find a US "flap" version and will upload it. -- ] (]) 16:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
With immortal scientists, robot Marines, and shit (mostly shit). ] (]) 20:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:The essence of the box art is the blank orange background, not the flap. The flap is unnecessary, it clearly wasn't intended else all other versions would have it. Any time the box art is shown on official Valve sites, it lacks the flap. -- ] (]) 17:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
:Clarify "shit (mostly shit)". please. Also requires sources. ] (]) 20:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Can you provide a link? Both and don't use box cover images to advertise the game so I don't know what you are referring to in that regard. Also, I don't really see how you can argue that the flap was "unnecessary" and "wasn't intended". Publishing and advertising a high-profile computer game takes a lot of time, money, and energy, and I seriously doubt whoever designed the box accidentally left an inch off the front flap and the manufacturer just rolled with it. | |||
::I got a Polygon one, and know why we know about it. --] (]) 21:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Even if that was the case however, that shouldn't prevent us from using it. As an encyclopedia we're going for accuracy, not aesthetics. I don't much like the design either, but that's what they used to sell their game, and I don't think we have the right to substitute something else because we don't like it. -- ] (]) 19:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
Polygon does qualify as shit indeed. Surprised anyone wouldn't know because it's one of the most infamous cases of FPS censorship, similar to the denazified Wolfenstein by Nintendo. ] (]) 23:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Lead summary needs to include the mention of derived games == | |||
== I think this should be added == | |||
Notably CS. Also the expansions, too. --] (]) 08:53, 24 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
I was just about to ask why was the game called half-life cause I don't see how the terminology fits into the game. But when through past discussions. I came across a question just like mine, and the person who replied said: | |||
Also implement that list of sources above and delete the used ones. Especially if they can replace my Amazon links - and i couldn't even find anything regarding Half-Life: Platinum Pack anymore. ] (]) 09:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
"In the book Half-Life 2: Raising the Bar, Gabe Newell, the chief developer of Half-Life, came up with the name because he wanted a name that sounded cool and had a science-fiction feel to it. Achiu31 (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)" | |||
== Infobox needs programmers, artists, and so on == | |||
I think this should be added because theres always a chance that someone will read this article to know why the name was chosen (like me), thinking theres some big reason behind it, but it turns out that Newell thought it sounded cool XD. So, it would be an interesting fact to learn. ] (]) 06:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I'd also read that they decided on that particular name because it provided them with an easily identifiable symbol (the "λ") with which to market the game. Kind of like id Software's stylized "Q" for the '']'' series. -- ] (]) 07:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
With sources as normal credits (https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/half-life/credits) aren't helpful. ] (]) 17:12, 24 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Weapons? == | |||
== Ive noticed something. == | |||
I think it should be mentioned that the guns are not actually the weapons listed, but appear to resemble them. IE: The 'mp5' is called the 9mmAR in all file names. (short for 9mm assault rifle, even though the mp5 is an smg) The high definition pack does not 'change the mp5 to an m4' but rather gives the '9mmAR' a skin that resembles a colt m4 with an attached m203. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
Ive noticed, after reading the entire Legacy section, that there appears to be no sign of Scientist screaming memes cited here. Should I edit the article to document that part of the HL1 legacy? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Reviews == | |||
==Accuracy of System Requirements?== | |||
While I'm hesitant to change the listed system requirements myself for lack of a reliable source, I do know that I have personally played Half-Life on a 366 MHz Pentium II laptop with 2.5 MB Video RAM, and the game ran perfectly fine using software rendering. I doubt the published requirement would be 500 MHz and am quite sure 16 MB VRAM is not required when software rendering is an option. Where did these numbers come from? ] (]) 06:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
:, the system requirements are the same as on the article. However, this may be due to the requirement of running Steam, which is more demanding than the just the original game. However, and both have slightly varying requirements, though both are lower than the ones on the Steam page. ] (]) 23:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
*'']'' #14<ref>https://archive.org/details/backstab-magazine-french-14/page/n35/mode/2up</ref> | |||
== When? == | |||
] (]) 00:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
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In the section Setting (in Synopsis), it says the game happens between May 5 - 15. I don't think that's what the letter means at all (see ). I think it means he has to get to Black Mesa by May 15th, and the letter was sent on May 5th. He might have been hanging around Black Mesa for a while before the resonance cascade. I haven't seen any calenders during my playing of this (fantastic!) game, but if someone could upload a picture of said calenders as proof, I will happily retract my statement. Thank you for taking the time to read my opinion. ] (]) 14:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Is the 25th anniversary update dropping support for macs running 10.13 or older important? == | |||
When playing Blue Shift calenders can be seen which put the month as December. It is around the same time as Half-Life because you can see Gordon Freeman on a tram near the start which ties in with the Half life storyline (riding in tram, security guard banging on door). Im not sure if the calenders are just placed there, or if they actually corelate to the date. ] (]) 09:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
I can personally attest to this (I know no original research), and there are social media posts about it, but I feel like it isn't important enough to be mentioned, and there arent really any super credible sources for this claim. ] (]) 01:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Game Ending == | |||
:If, despite an abundance of coverage, no source cared to include this particular detail, it is likely not worth mentioning. ] []] 07:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
Hi, | |||
== Addressing Dr. Gordon Freeman == | |||
if the player does not enter the portal at the end of the game and waits some time the train door will close and he will be teleported in an unknown area crowded by alien grunts. | |||
It's stated in the first game that Gordon Freeman graduated MIT with a Ph.D. in theoretical physics. I believe this means that he should be referred to as "Dr. Gordon Freeman" rather than simply Gordon Freeman, if not in every instance, then at least in the first instance of his name. However, I am unsure if this both makes total sense grammatically and fits the Misplaced Pages rules for edits. ] (]) 01:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
If I remember well the words "Subject: Gordon Freeman Status: terminated" will then appear and the game ends. | |||
== Developers commentary == | |||
I cannot verify it right now so i did not edidted the article. | |||
] (]) 16:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Zigo | |||
Even if that's the developer publishing their own stuff, it is fully appropriate as a source, as long as we know that the person is the one that developed the game. We're not looking to boost notability here, that line is already drawn, so its not required to be secondary. And the additions were attributed to this person so that we're not making any assumptions. First party and SPS sources are absolutely allowed.<span id="Masem:1730335640228:TalkFTTCLNHalf-Life_(video_game)" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 00:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)</span> | |||
:You're correct. A '''short''' sentence sourced in the same manner as the current final sentence should suffice. Given that the G-Man alludes to Gordon's choice (or lack of it) at the conclusion of ''Half-Life 2'', noting that the first game presents the user with a nominal choice is probably worth noting (in a short sentence). It would be good to track down the exact wording used by the game. Wikiquote doesn't have it. --] 16:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
:It's a self-published ] source and therefore of dubious use to Misplaced Pages. As a general rule I don't think we should add material that would make an article ''less'' likely to pass a FA review. | |||
== Generation == | |||
:Additionally, as someone who watched this entire multi-hour series of videos a while ago, we could probably add hundreds or thousands of words to this article based on the fascinating stuff this guy says, and that makes me really uncomfortable — where do we draw the line? | |||
:Having said that, looking at previous discussions on game talks, there has been agreement to use similar primary sources in the past, so if there is a consensus to let this one pass then I'll respect that. ] (]) 01:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Primary sources are not bad. They don't support notability, and pretty much cannot be used for BLP related issues as well as contentious statements. But in terms of stating influences that were incorporated into a game, assuming we can vouch for the identity, its 100% legit. As long as we don't overload the article with that (which , with only two sentences, that's not an issue) ] (]) 01:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Multiple videogame articles here use YT videos by original developers as sources, for example '']'', so these videos should definitely be acceptable enough to add back into this page. ] (]) 01:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Please omit lore/meta from the "Plot" section == | |||
Just thought I'd point out that there are two versions of Half-Life Generation. The original version (black and silver box) does not contain Blue Shift, only the second version (black and blue box) does. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
When describing HL1's plot, let's stay true to the original stand-alone game, as it appeared to its 1999 audience. Please put lore from sequels, expansions, etc in ]. | |||
== Day One == | |||
Character names and events that do not appear in the original game should be left out. For example: | |||
] redirects here, and is mentioned on the ] disambiguation page as a demo, but there's no mention of it in the article. Can anyone add some info? ] (]) 13:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
: Looks like the page (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Half-Life:_Day_One&oldid=170294677) had pretty much zero sourced info in the first place. It should probably have been deleted rather than merged. ] (]) 13:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
* ''"G-Man"'' (from internal file names - in-game dialogue calls him "the administrator") | |||
== release date == | |||
* ''"Barney"'' (from internal file names - in-game security guards don't have names) | |||
* ''"HECU"'' (from Gearbox expansions, in-game they are simply US Marines or Army) | |||
* Kleiner, Eli, etc from HL2 & the Black Mesa remaster (in-game scientists don't have names) | |||
* Internal plot writings from Valve | |||
* ...etc | |||
Oh and let's keep it brief. People can play the game if they want details. Thank you! - ] <small>( ] | ] )</small> 05:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
according to ] it was released on October 31, 1998, not on November 19, 1999. This also makes more sense, because otherwise it would have been released after ], which was released on November 1, 1999. --] (]) 22:22, 18 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:] included lore or the like that may be revealed in latter games.<span id="Masem:1733922060401:TalkFTTCLNHalf-Life_(video_game)" class="FTTCmt"> — ] (]) 13:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)</span> | |||
::Hmm, I don't think this a no-spoiler thing. Many of the details presented in later games were not defined yet when this game came out, so I'd have to agree that it would be inaccurate to include these here. Meta information in the same vein, except perhaps if contemporary sources already talked about G-Man as "G-Man" because there was no better name to use. ] []] 13:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::That's right, this isn't a spoiler issue. It seems like G-Man is the only term used in the plot summary that wasn't necessarily canonical at the time. I think we could easily find reliable sources describing him (in his HL1 appearance) as the G-Man, but I wouldn't object to writing around it and just writing "He is detained by <s>the G-Man,</s> a mysterious interdimensional agent" instead. ] (]) 13:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Contrary to what Masem wrote in an edit summary, it's not standard on Misplaced Pages to reference the summaries of other installments in plot summaries, and in fact this is discouraged on film articles, for example. The general approach is to treat each plot as its own thing, or else you get into all sorts of retcon weirdness. ] (]) 13:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
::IceWelder & Popcornfud are correct: it's not about spoilers. The whole Plot section is a spoiler and that's fine. I'm talking about ''retcons'' that fundamentally alter the tone of the original work. For more details, please read . | |||
::Your revert violates the guidelines in multiple ways, including (quote): | |||
::* Placing spiritual successors in the same continuity as the works that inspired them. | |||
::* Making connections to real-world people, places, or events that are not clearly established by the work. | |||
::* Includes information that is either redundant or unnecessary to understanding that topic. | |||
::The plot summary should be from the perspective of a first-time player, in isolation from external meta & sequels, and brief. With this in mind, I will undo your revert and return to a more encyclopedic style. I hope the reasons are clear. - ] <small>( ] | ] )</small> 16:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Requirements section is too important
"Requirements" section is one of the most important sections of a videogame article in wikipedia. where the is it???!!! --190.231.47.181 (talk) 18:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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Other Half-Life expansion
I noticed that there is no reference to another little known expansion to the Half-Life game. The smaller expansion is located with another game (Gunman Chronicles maybe), but I am not sure which for it has been years since I played it. The expansion basically consists of three missions. It starts off with Freeman talking to the G-Man in an office and the missions take place in a carnival setting, caves, and then some sort of shipping factory. If memory serves me correct, the purpose of those three missions was to either capture or set free three different crystals of some sort. Is there anyone that can verify this? I believe it came out around 2001-2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayveran (talk • contribs) 23:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- I had Gunman Chronicles (GC) back when I don't remember this. I recall once plasying something similar to what you describe but I believe it was just a fan mod. Even so, if there was a mod within GC I doubt it would be considered an official mod. Яehevkor ✉ 11:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
- That expansion is called Absolute Redemption. It was developed by Maverick software. It was included as a bonus game with "Half-Life: Counter-Strike" (The retain version of Counter-Strike). I personally think it would be OK to mention it somewhere on this page, whereas Gunman Chronicles would not belong here. However, Uplink should most definitely be mentioned, since it was developed by Valve. It is equivalent to Lost Coast. Peacebears (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- It is an unofficial mod, and seemingly not a notable one. Mentioning it seems unnecessary. IceWelder 19:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- That expansion is called Absolute Redemption. It was developed by Maverick software. It was included as a bonus game with "Half-Life: Counter-Strike" (The retain version of Counter-Strike). I personally think it would be OK to mention it somewhere on this page, whereas Gunman Chronicles would not belong here. However, Uplink should most definitely be mentioned, since it was developed by Valve. It is equivalent to Lost Coast. Peacebears (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Budget?
Anyone know the game's budget? --82.170.113.123 (talk) 13:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC) No — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plumjet09 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Release Date
Seeing some conflicting information on the release date for Half-Life, based on the most recent edit by User:Merrick Simms. Steam has changed their listed release date listed from Nov 19th to Nov 8th. Some reviews list Nov 19th, however, some use Oct 31st (Including Metacritic and IGN, but I believe they may be calling it "published date"). Think we need to get this cleared up and stick a source specifically to the release date. -- ferret (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
- It's going to be difficult to cleared up this problem. I have an article about the 15 years of Half-Life on Lambda generation and two wikis. The Combine Overwiki and the Valve Developer Community's wiki. The release date is november 19 on this website and the two wiki :
- http://lambdageneration.com/community/half-life/15-years-of-half-life/
- https://developer.valvesoftware.com/Valve_Time
- http://combineoverwiki.net/Half-Life
- The archives about Steam are clear about thi but why they change in this case ? I guess the only way is to ask Valve about that.
Important Firsts
There are some important firsts in HL that aren't really mentioned. It was the first game to default to WASD + mouse (Quake and Quake II both defaulted to keyboard only control and arrow keys). There are rumors that they used WASD because those were the keys used by famous Quake gamer, Thresh.72.166.65.132 (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)IB
- Thanks! I can add that, but I'll need a source stating that before I do. That's a pretty big claim to make, and I don't want to do it if it's inaccurate. --Nicereddy (talk) 02:40, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry but it wasn't the first to use WASD + mouse, Delta Force released a few months earlier used WASD + mouse by default.109.156.82.172 (talk) 14:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Grammatic mistake?
Shouldn't "it was too ambitious a project" be "it was too ambitious project"? Second row in second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.253.141.38 (talk) 20:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Discussion about merging Half-Life: Source into Half-Life (video game)
The Half-Life: Source was recreated last year. With the new additions, I still don't think there is enough distinct information to warrant its own article. It's lacking detail and content in all areas. Anything currently written there can be summarised in several sentences within this article. I am proposing content be merged again and Half Life: Source be redirected back to Half Life. The1337gamer (talk) 21:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- merge it's not even a remake, it's a port to a new engine. There's not enough difference for a separate article. Deunanknute (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Merge The game is nearly identical to the original release. The article has barely any content, and users are forced to read the Half-Life article if they want to know more about the game. Might as well merge the articles and keep all the information in the same place. Reach Out to the Truth 00:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
- Merge. Unless print sources pop up, the game's online sources predominantly discuss it in the context of the main game. The Black Mesa remake has much more coverage. I think there's consensus to go ahead with this. czar ⨹ 18:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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Yo. I get where everyone's coming from. The company was called Valve LLC at the time. Sure.
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It would be wrong to say that Jetpac was developed by Rare (the company was named Ultimate Play the Game at the time); its renaming was part of a drastic brand revamp for the company and the name used at the time was Ultimate Play the Game, not Rare. Whereas the difference in name between Valve LLC and Valve Corporation is purely legal and, for the purposes of normal use, irrelevant - everyone has always called the company Valve. Popcornduff (talk) 12:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- I have to say that your example actually muddies the waters even more - Rare weren't called "Ultimate Play the Game" at the time, they were called Ashby Computers and Graphics - they only traded as Ultimate. So in your example it's reasonable to not use the actual trading name of a company when deciding who the developer is. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't know that, bad example, thanks. But it doesn't change the point: we use the common name. Popcornduff (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- It is far to says that the common name should be used, but due to the disambiguation of the device, a valve, the Valve Corporation article talk page dicded to use "Valve Corporation" instead of "Valve (company)", wherefore every article concerning it links to an unpipied "Valve Corporation", such as infoboxes and leads of their games, other articles mentioning it, or citations' "publisher" field, which, fairly, makes sense. The "Valve L.L.C." ("L.L.C." is a common form of writing ", LLC" from limited liability company, sometimes used in Washington State) title was then inserted to Valve's pre-2003 games to differentiate it from the disambiguated "Valve Corporation", as it was not the case back then.
- I agree that we could pipe it every time to Valve, but "Valve Corporation" was commonly adopted on this encyclopedia for the first mention, to know which "Valve" is meant in the first place, and Valve may be used further on, such as it is seen on their games' articles as well as their own article. Saying, as long as the disambiguation and common usage of "Valve Corporation" presists as-is currently, we should keep Valve L.L.C. for infobox and lead, to introduce the "Valve" in question, then follow up with Valve through the article. If you would tend to change the disambiguation as a whole, please confront the according talk page. Lordtobi (✉) 13:31, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- It seems to me that the name of the Valve Corporation article - with regards to concerns like disambiguation - is a separate issue from how we refer to the company in prose. Popcornduff (talk) 13:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- I posted on the Valve talk page. Thanks for the heads-up. I guess the conversation should be happening there, not here. Popcornduff (talk) 14:03, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
- I'm still proposing to use "Valve" in this article and others. I invite others to contribute their thoughts on the Valve Corporation talk page. Popcornduff (talk) 10:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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- https://web.archive.org/web/20010127195900/http://sierrastudios.com:80/games/half-life/archives.html
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Noclip documentary due next week
Teaser vid but the full will be out Dec. 10. . --Masem (t) 19:52, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Needs info on the censored German version
With immortal scientists, robot Marines, and shit (mostly shit). SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 20:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Clarify "shit (mostly shit)". please. Also requires sources. Lordtobi (✉) 20:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- I got a Polygon one, and know why we know about it. --Masem (t) 21:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Polygon does qualify as shit indeed. Surprised anyone wouldn't know because it's one of the most infamous cases of FPS censorship, similar to the denazified Wolfenstein by Nintendo. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 23:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Lead summary needs to include the mention of derived games
Notably CS. Also the expansions, too. --SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 08:53, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Also implement that list of sources above and delete the used ones. Especially if they can replace my Amazon links - and i couldn't even find anything regarding Half-Life: Platinum Pack anymore. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 09:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Infobox needs programmers, artists, and so on
With sources as normal credits (https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/half-life/credits) aren't helpful. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Ive noticed something.
Ive noticed, after reading the entire Legacy section, that there appears to be no sign of Scientist screaming memes cited here. Should I edit the article to document that part of the HL1 legacy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SliceOfBread69 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Reviews
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References
Is the 25th anniversary update dropping support for macs running 10.13 or older important?
I can personally attest to this (I know no original research), and there are social media posts about it, but I feel like it isn't important enough to be mentioned, and there arent really any super credible sources for this claim. Emulsification92 (talk) 01:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- If, despite an abundance of coverage, no source cared to include this particular detail, it is likely not worth mentioning. IceWelder 07:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Addressing Dr. Gordon Freeman
It's stated in the first game that Gordon Freeman graduated MIT with a Ph.D. in theoretical physics. I believe this means that he should be referred to as "Dr. Gordon Freeman" rather than simply Gordon Freeman, if not in every instance, then at least in the first instance of his name. However, I am unsure if this both makes total sense grammatically and fits the Misplaced Pages rules for edits. Unsightly Scientist (talk) 01:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Developers commentary
Even if that's the developer publishing their own stuff, it is fully appropriate as a source, as long as we know that the person is the one that developed the game. We're not looking to boost notability here, that line is already drawn, so its not required to be secondary. And the additions were attributed to this person so that we're not making any assumptions. First party and SPS sources are absolutely allowed. — Masem (t) 00:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's a self-published WP:PRIMARY source and therefore of dubious use to Misplaced Pages. As a general rule I don't think we should add material that would make an article less likely to pass a FA review.
- Additionally, as someone who watched this entire multi-hour series of videos a while ago, we could probably add hundreds or thousands of words to this article based on the fascinating stuff this guy says, and that makes me really uncomfortable — where do we draw the line?
- Having said that, looking at previous discussions on game talks, there has been agreement to use similar primary sources in the past, so if there is a consensus to let this one pass then I'll respect that. Popcornfud (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Primary sources are not bad. They don't support notability, and pretty much cannot be used for BLP related issues as well as contentious statements. But in terms of stating influences that were incorporated into a game, assuming we can vouch for the identity, its 100% legit. As long as we don't overload the article with that (which , with only two sentences, that's not an issue) Masem (t) 01:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple videogame articles here use YT videos by original developers as sources, for example Conker's Bad Fur Day, so these videos should definitely be acceptable enough to add back into this page. Condontdoit296 (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Please omit lore/meta from the "Plot" section
When describing HL1's plot, let's stay true to the original stand-alone game, as it appeared to its 1999 audience. Please put lore from sequels, expansions, etc in Half-Life (series).
Character names and events that do not appear in the original game should be left out. For example:
- "G-Man" (from internal file names - in-game dialogue calls him "the administrator")
- "Barney" (from internal file names - in-game security guards don't have names)
- "HECU" (from Gearbox expansions, in-game they are simply US Marines or Army)
- Kleiner, Eli, etc from HL2 & the Black Mesa remaster (in-game scientists don't have names)
- Internal plot writings from Valve
- ...etc
Oh and let's keep it brief. People can play the game if they want details. Thank you! - Tronno ( t | c ) 05:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- WP does not hide spoilers included lore or the like that may be revealed in latter games. — Masem (t) 13:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, I don't think this a no-spoiler thing. Many of the details presented in later games were not defined yet when this game came out, so I'd have to agree that it would be inaccurate to include these here. Meta information in the same vein, except perhaps if contemporary sources already talked about G-Man as "G-Man" because there was no better name to use. IceWelder 13:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's right, this isn't a spoiler issue. It seems like G-Man is the only term used in the plot summary that wasn't necessarily canonical at the time. I think we could easily find reliable sources describing him (in his HL1 appearance) as the G-Man, but I wouldn't object to writing around it and just writing "He is detained by
the G-Man,a mysterious interdimensional agent" instead. Popcornfud (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC) - Contrary to what Masem wrote in an edit summary, it's not standard on Misplaced Pages to reference the summaries of other installments in plot summaries, and in fact this is discouraged on film articles, for example. The general approach is to treat each plot as its own thing, or else you get into all sorts of retcon weirdness. Popcornfud (talk) 13:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's right, this isn't a spoiler issue. It seems like G-Man is the only term used in the plot summary that wasn't necessarily canonical at the time. I think we could easily find reliable sources describing him (in his HL1 appearance) as the G-Man, but I wouldn't object to writing around it and just writing "He is detained by
- IceWelder & Popcornfud are correct: it's not about spoilers. The whole Plot section is a spoiler and that's fine. I'm talking about retcons that fundamentally alter the tone of the original work. For more details, please read this wiki style guide.
- Your revert violates the guidelines in multiple ways, including (quote):
- Placing spiritual successors in the same continuity as the works that inspired them.
- Making connections to real-world people, places, or events that are not clearly established by the work.
- Includes information that is either redundant or unnecessary to understanding that topic.
- The plot summary should be from the perspective of a first-time player, in isolation from external meta & sequels, and brief. With this in mind, I will undo your revert and return to a more encyclopedic style. I hope the reasons are clear. - Tronno ( t | c ) 16:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm, I don't think this a no-spoiler thing. Many of the details presented in later games were not defined yet when this game came out, so I'd have to agree that it would be inaccurate to include these here. Meta information in the same vein, except perhaps if contemporary sources already talked about G-Man as "G-Man" because there was no better name to use. IceWelder 13:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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