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Talk page messaging

Hi, it was brought to my attention that you had posted the same message to a large number of user pages regarding the POV dispute on Persian Gulf. I will try and explain how these sorts of disputes are usually resolved so that you can better understand the processes we have in place. First the talk page on the individual article is the first place you should go if you have a dispute about something that pertains to that article specifically, as this does. This may sometimes seem slow, as you will very often have to wait a number of days for a full response. This is normal, and you shouldn't escalate the situation just because no one responds in a few hours for example.

If you are dealing with an article that gets little or no attention, or you are in an argument that you think needs a few more voices use Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment. This is a centralized place for people to see situations that might need further input. The point of both of these processes is to have the information on the page in which it is most relevant. While it might seem like a fast solution to leave a message on 20 people's talk page, it's not looked upon well by the community because it decentralizes the discussion to which everyone might want to be a contributor. For example what if 10 of those people start having conversations with you on their talk page, that quickly becomes unmanageable. I hope I have explained the reasoning behind how these things are usually done. I'm going to go ahead and revert the messages, you should probably list your arguments on Talk:Persian Gulf if you haven't already. If you want to read more about it have a look at the spamming page. If you have any other questions let me know. Khoikhoi 00:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've already been watching those two pages for quite awhile. One thing I recommend is that you never use the word "vandalism" haphazardly. It can be considered uncivil to do so. Rather than reporting people to admins, you should try following the dispute resolution process. Cheers, Khoikhoi 09:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, what I can say is that it's never a good idea to do full reverts. It appears you reverted the article back to a much earlier version. The problem with those kind of reverts is that they destroy a lot of work by the editors in-between. Perhaps you could make a partial revert, and only restore what you wanted to restore. Also, only admins can protect pages. The page is not currently protected (see log), so there's no need to add the {{sprotected2}} tag. Khoikhoi 22:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Please remember what I said about civilty. Comments like "This is Misplaced Pages but not an elementary school in Tehran!" are inappropriate. Thanks, Khoikhoi 05:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't think he meant to insult you, he was just trying to explain to you that it's best to discuss changes rather than trying to implement them by edit warring. If you use the former method, and try to come to a consensus with other users, then you'll probably get to add your info in the article more easily. I don't think he was trying to say he was the sole expert on the subject, either. I think they're trying to say that the Arabic name should not be mentioned in the intro, but further down below in the "naming dispute" section. Khoikhoi 01:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Arabian Gulf

Sure boss :) , right now im searching for good sources , only with sources we can win any editing conflict , remember that :) Ammar 14:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam

I dnt really know how to send you my email.I confirmed my email.!!--Aziz1005 13:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

A message to you and Mardavich

To Ralhazz... Please stop overtly soliciting people to vote as per Misplaced Pages:Canvassing.

To Mardavich... Please calm down as per Misplaced Pages:Please do not bite the newcomers. I am sure Ralhazz would stop that behaviour in the future. -- FayssalF - 17:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I did the proper changes --Aziz1005 20:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Warning: respect wikipedia rules

Ralhazzaa, this is another warning to you to stop canvassing regarding recent disputes on Persian Gulf related articles. According to this evidence you are continuing to canvass users again, only a couple of hours after a polite and clear warning was given to you. Therefore it seems that you are knowingly and intentionally continuing disruptive activities in Misplaced Pages. If you do not stop such behavior, you will be reported as an abuser through proper channels, which could eventually lead to your banning from Misplaced Pages. So please be civil, try to play a positive role in wikipedia, and respect the rules. Barnetj 20:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not evidence, friend. This link included merely shows that he is asking advice from another user, mostly about this accusation of yours, and is in no way considered a 'disruptive' activity. It is not wrong to ask questions, rather it is encouraged, and the fact that he is asking it on ar.wk could be for obvious language reasons. Please, take caution before you make such accusations next time, as they can be harmful both to the user and to wikipedia as a whole in the case of false accusations. Thanks. Asabbagh 04:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Update

User:Ralhazzaa is not a new user, he's clearly familiar with the INs and OUTs of Misplaced Pages both here and on Arabic wikipedia, he's been citing Wiki policies which is another sign of his familiarity with Misplaced Pages, yet he's deliberately ignoring admin warnings regarding his ongoing disruptive spamming/canvassing campaign. After numerous admin warnings and even after your own warning, he continues canvassing users on Arabic wikipedia to this minute for meat-puppetry purposes on English wikipedia. I've been told that User:Ralhazzaa is also canvassing users on IRC chat's Arabic wikipedia channel. Please look into this issue, and take any actions necessary. Rgards --Mardavich 20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it programmed personal attck, Mardavich? I can't understand why u and others "warning" me in my personal page and discuss openly with other users what punishment I should recieve? Why you want to blam me as many opposing POVs are coming? I could also know that you had accused another users of being meat-puppets in ar.wk! Do u consider asking for "legal advice" and "how to reply an accusation" as a spam? As I don't like to personlize the problems, but it would be more civil not to run a personal attck. Pages of interest are clearly disputed and biased, it is not my problem. Please, kindly, stop any kind of personal attack and accusations Ralhazzaa 21:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I am urging everyone to calm down and take it easy. We have talked about canvassing before and the link provided above as an evidence of a spamming/canvassing campaign is not 100% correct. In fact, Ralhazzaa was asking for a legal advice from an ar.wiki user which is legitimate.

However, Ralhazzaa forgot that asking someone (especially from anothr wiki) to participate in a debate where he never participated at is a kind of meat-puppetry (see Wiki Meatpuppets) although he didn't ask User:Islamic what to do apart from a legal advice.

The translation of what has been said is the following:

I've been accused lately by a user of sending a collective message across wikipedia in relation to the article Arabian Gulf through the ar wikipedia. Can you provide me with legal advice and share our debate? I am talking about the article in the Arabian Gulf. I also hope you configure your email account.

Now, let get this very straight. Ralhazzaa, you are asked formally now to stop doing what you've been doing. If you really need a legal advice, you can do it but you should never again try to ask people to join a debate where they never participated at especially from outside the en.wiki. Indeed, we got plenty of admins HERE who will be willing to help you in this matter. Mardavich, you cannot follow any user all the way long and try to scrutinize their edits. You got plenty of interesting things to do here. Please guys take this advice and save us some time. -- FayssalF - 10:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Ralhazzaa, you left a message on my talk page asking me to retract my warning. There is nothing 'illegal' or 'unauthorized' (as you put it) about my warning. I have no prejudice against you as a person and I do not mean to 'threaten' you, rather my intention is to make sure that you are aware of wikipedia guidelines and that your activities are causing disruption. So please consider taking the warning as a friendly advice. Barnetj 11:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: تواصل

Salam, you have to enter your own email in "Prefereces" to be able to send emails to other users. Another thing: you don't have to write your name at the end of each post, just type 4 times the slide sign:

~~~~

and it will be done for you automatically after you save. Jidan 21:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Persian/Arabian Gulf page's tag

Hi

I would like to thank you for taking care in page of Persian Gulf, but would like to ask for tagging it with the neutrality tag (totaly or partially in catagories related to the naming history issue) as the name and naming history is highly disputed as you can notice in the talk page. Thanks, Ralhazzaa 22:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not going to get involved in the naming dispute. If you want to add a template to the article, you are free to do so as there is no protection at the moment. -- tariqabjotu 02:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposal

What do you think of this proposed lead:

The Persian Gulf (Template:PerB - Khalīj-e Fārs; in Classical Arabic: بحر الفارس Bahr al-Fārs, in Modern Arabic: Template:Rtl-lang al-Khalīj al-Arabi or al-Khalīj al-Fārisī)

--Mardavich 19:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

neutrality tag

Hi Ralhazzaa. Regarding the article Persian Gulf, I think it's ok now to leave it without a neutrality tag, because of the consensus that has been reached on the talk page. I know the lead is not perfect, and it can be much better, but if you keep adding the neutrality tag with everyone reverting you, it's not gonna help you. It's better to keep discussing on the talk page, and keep a cool head (I know it's hard sometimes, with how some editors write back). Thanks. Asabbagh 21:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Oh, cool. Thanks a lot Ramiz. If I may, I suggest using a transparent background instead of a white one for the barnstar. That will allow it to blend in with colored backgrounds. Thanks again! —Anas 17:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice, I like what you have done there. Cheers, Anas 12:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...

Thank you for your kindness and appreciation of my editing. I am not active now in Wiki, but I hope I will have the time in summer. Jidan 18:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the award my dear,best regards--Aziz1005 19:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#Types_of_vandalism

Read the definition of vandalism before throwing the word around. AlexanderPar 18:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The Puzzle of the Warning Memorial Medal

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WP:AGF--Gerash77 11:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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Ouch! oh mummy!... will keep this as a memorial event of personal attack.. still we can see more disasters in Misplaced Pages.... Ralhazzaa

You certainly seem to be in need of reviewing WP:CIVILITY; furthermore, I don't understand why are you trying to bring your "mummy" into discussion.--Gerash77 13:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR rule on Persian Gulf

Hi, Ralhazaa. I have noticed that you reverted the article Persian Gulf seven times during 24 hours period. It is strictly forbidden by the WP:3RR policy. The only exemption that might permit such an edit war would be simple vandalism, that was obviously not the case. WP:MOS does not permit cluttering the lead of an article with irrelevant or hardly relevant non-English names. So while referring to one or two foreign names (e.g Arabic Gulf in Arabic and Persian Gulf in Farsi makes sense, cluttering it with a great number of hardly used names is not. Maybe we should make a separate section for all the names but putting them all to the lead is absurd.

Please in future:

• avoid labelling vandalism good faith edits
• obey 3RR policy Alex Bakharev 02:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Alex,

The difinition of Vandalisim saying it is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages.

What I did is to protect the article of evacuting of resourced info, that may not make others happy.. but it is the fact.

It is clear simple vandalisim to remove text and resourced info by IP registered user repeatedly without explaining or discussing it (this happened for at leat 5 times). Another time, a Silly Vandalism has been done by user Gersh77 by inserting nonsens to the article lead (This Gulf also called in ARabic as the American Gulf) that is obvoius silly vandalisim has nothing to do with good faith as he is estblished user but of different POV. (note that he even throw some trash in my Talk Page without reason or comment, just for revenge). I don't consider my protecting of the article is 3RR as no one of our busy admins give it a look since a while. By then, IP users, socks puppet and other editors were playing political game here. Can you tell me if somebody changed the rule of WP to not consider Refs as good thing?

Please note that I inserted more historical names because users of the other POV wanted this statment in the lead. I opposed this, and still, but they want it for political reasons.

I would like to ask you for taking an intiative and keep only one name in Arabic: Arabian Gulf, and Farsi: Persian Gulf to end this edit war. Actually, I asked for this many times in the discussions, but Iranian users pushing us (Arab users) to call this sea as Persian Gulf in Arabic!!!... while u can see the refs I brought up (UN documentaions in Arabic, Academy of the Arabic Lang, Arab Geog. Soc., Arab League' documentations, wide media reports (Aljazeera, Alarabiya..). However, when they insisted to insert the name "Persian Gulf" as Arabic name, I tag it with Fact, as it really not true and lacks refs and we shouldn't mislead our readers here. Ralhazzaa 07:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)