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| I know this is a rather lengthy answer (not to mention a bad copy-and-paste job of published wiki-policies and guidelines) but my intention is to show that there are policies and guidelines that cover the issue, sources for recourse, and justification and methods for investigating and "fixing" the problem. Thanks for your patience. --''']''' ( <sup>]</sup>/<small>'']''</small> ) 11:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC) | I know this is a rather lengthy answer (not to mention a bad copy-and-paste job of published wiki-policies and guidelines) but my intention is to show that there are policies and guidelines that cover the issue, sources for recourse, and justification and methods for investigating and "fixing" the problem. Thanks for your patience. --''']''' ( <sup>]</sup>/<small>'']''</small> ) 11:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::::Ok, I admit some of the Politics and Influences of J.K. Rowling needed citations (which I could have added with a request), but I think deletion of the entire article is a little bit extreme, especially with truncated discussion. I realize that most people who've read Harry Potter can't see the political message, and my POV is that Rowling wrote the "political children's fairy tale about a monster" to try and reach those folks. Looks like this is my last act as a writer under this account since I upset the person concerned about being unfair. ] 23:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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I hate to sound overly cliché here, and I am sure you have heard it all before. But I sometimes think we all need to review (READ!) the policies and guidelines, and re-emphasize that all articles within the Misplaced Pages must conform to them. Special attention must be given to enforcing verifiability from reliable sources, avoiding original research, and maintaining a neutral point of view; and this is most especially important for articles which constitute a biography of a living person. If an article, such as Politics and influences of J.K. Rowling crosses any of the policy lines, then it must be flagged as such and cleaned up, post haste. This does not mean that the concerns cannot be consensus-discussed on the article and user talk pages in a civil manner, carefully avoiding personal attacks and such. If you think the article in question fails to conform to Misplaced Pages policy, especially in the matter of neutrality and verifiability in a WP:BLP (please read that!), to the extent that the Misplaced Pages can be seen as being "irresponsible", then the policies provide for immediate removal of the offending material, and review by the BLP Noticeboard if intervention is necessary. Some applicable thoughts from WP:BLP...
- Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Misplaced Pages page. Such material requires a degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to our content policies: WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:NOR.
- We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Misplaced Pages articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.
- This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons in other articles. The burden of evidence for any edit on Misplaced Pages, but especially for edits about living persons, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material.
- Misplaced Pages articles that contain information about living people can affect a subject's life. Misplaced Pages is a top-ten website, and with such prominence comes a measure of responsibility. Misplaced Pages is, fundamentally, a project that aims to improve the world. This means approaching the subjects of our articles with compassion, grace and understanding.
- Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone. While a strategy of eventualism may apply to other subject areas, badly written biographies of living persons should be stubbed or deleted (see WP:BLP#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material).
- Editors should remove any contentious material about living persons that is unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in WP:V, or is a conjectural interpretation of a source (see WP:NOR). Where the material is derogatory and unsourced or poorly sourced, the three-revert rule does not apply.
- If you have concerns, either as editor or subject, about biographical material about a living person on any page, please contact the BLP noticeboard.
I know this is a rather lengthy answer (not to mention a bad copy-and-paste job of published wiki-policies and guidelines) but my intention is to show that there are policies and guidelines that cover the issue, sources for recourse, and justification and methods for investigating and "fixing" the problem. Thanks for your patience. --T-dot ( /contribs ) 11:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, I admit some of the Politics and Influences of J.K. Rowling needed citations (which I could have added with a request), but I think deletion of the entire article is a little bit extreme, especially with truncated discussion. I realize that most people who've read Harry Potter can't see the political message, and my POV is that Rowling wrote the "political children's fairy tale about a monster" to try and reach those folks. Looks like this is my last act as a writer under this account since I upset the person concerned about being unfair. Libertycookies 23:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Dude...
That comment by Piercetheorganist on your talk page was way over the line. If you ever get an attack like that again from anyone, please don't hesitate to inform an administrator immediately (I will be happy to help). We simply cannot have that kind of thing here. Lexicon (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- Any administrator should be able to help. It appears we do not have a personal attack notice board, but perhaps we should. In extreme cases, it is acceptable to go to WP:AN/I. I would think that an attack of such a vehement nature required such immediate action; if I were attacked in such a way and weren't an admin I'd bring it to AN/I. Whether others would agree that it was appropriate for that forum, I don't know, but since just about everything gets thrown around on AN/I nowadays, I wouldn't hesitate to go there if you receive future attacks regarding Asperger's or anything else like that. As for your response to him, it was remarkably calm considering what he said to you. It took remarkable restraint for me to limit his block to 24 hours. He "deserves" more, but I can't give him a punitive block. Lexicon (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved the barnstar to my user page. Thanks for the good vibes, and I always appreciate a DNA reference :) Serendipodous 21:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hey...just saw your note - sorry I couldn't help out earlier. There was no justification whatsoever for an attack like that, and it is awful that a great contributor like you was subjected to it. I think you handled it very well, for what it's worth. Cheers. --Ckatzspy 17:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)