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| In order to remain listed at ], at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the ''same'' dispute with a ''single'' user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 20:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: <tt>{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</tt>. | |||
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| ==Statement of the dispute== | |||
| ] has unfortunately evolved into a singularly unproductive element on Misplaced Pages, particularly on the articles ], ] and ]. Moulton constantly seeks to sublimate earnest discussion into repetitive debate and discussion structures that produce no results while exclusively promoting the pro-ID viewpoint | |||
| while ignoring the full measure of available information, and at the same time loudly and repeatedly proclaiming he's opposed to ID and its agents, such as the ]. | |||
| === Desired outcome === | |||
| We would like to see the following outcomes from this RfC: | |||
| :# {{user|Moulton}} agrees to learn and abide by the project's fundamental polices and guidelines. | |||
| :# {{user|Moulton}} agrees to immediately desist from edit warring on any and all articles related to the ], ], ] or ]. | |||
| :# {{user|Moulton}} agrees to desist from badgering, harassment and disrupting talk pages, or canvassing for help in doing so. | |||
| :# {{user|Moulton}} agrees to recuse himself permanently from editing any article which represents a ] for him. In this case ] in particular. | |||
| === Description === | |||
| ] has an obsession with such narrowness to the exclusion of readily available overviews of the topic from more reliable sources that contradict the pro-ID sources and objections he is promoting. He often quibbles over widely accepted facts (see for example) and definitions using the rhetorical arguments of the ID campaign with the net effect of driving discussion away from the acknowlegement of reliable mainstream sources with many baseless objections and attempts to redefine common definitions (for example, Moulton levels charges of spinning or "reframing" against the DI, Misplaced Pages, the New York Times and other editors at least 23 times on the talk page, such as at , and claiming that therefore we cannot interpret what is written as what is really meant, etc). In the course of his disruptive objections Moulton has an unfortunate habit of making constant ''ad hominem'' attacks and focusing on the "character" of Misplaced Pages editors, particularly those he opposes, to promote a dismissal of their comments while obfuscating the actual facts being discussed (see for an example). By continually resurrecting and injecting personal gripes into new discussions, Moulton has sought to prevent any in-depth discussion of the actual topic. For example, there are endless fights about whether the petition consists of one or two sentences, about whether the petition is controversial or not, about whether the petition was titled properly or not when Picard signed it (but has been able to provide any sources one way or the other on this issue), about whether the petition is anti-evolution or not, and about whether the New York Times is a reliable source or not. This is incredibly trying for anyone trying to make progress on the article and understand his concerns. He is clearly unable to accept that he cannot impose his will unilaterally on others on Misplaced Pages, and make up his own unsourced information to include in articles. | |||
| ] began editing on December 21, 2005, but only edited intermittently until August 22, 2007. On August 22, 2007, Moulton became obsessed with editing ], and with editing ], a petition she allegedly signed. Moulton's main claim initially was that Picard was induced to sign the ] petition fraudulently and her position was and is diametrically opposed to that expressed by the petition and its ] supporters. Moulton also claimed that ] was guilty of shoddy journalism | |||
| and unethical behavior by not confirming this "fact" which he has repeatedly alleged (see for example, ), and Misplaced Pages is compounding the situation by using the New York Times as a reliable source. He aggressively harangued and lobbied many editors repeatedly with this POV, refusing to consider any other explanation or other interpretation but his own, which appears to have evolved over the last 10 days. However, as editing has progressed, it has become apparent that this representation by Moulton is almost certainly entirely false, and Moulton knew this the entire time, wasting a huge amount of time and effort of all concerned in a cavalier dishonest fashion: | |||
| Moulton has either been unable or unwilling to learn or understand how and why Misplaced Pages uses the ] and ] standards, and other rules and procedures. He has complained about this extensively on WP and externally: He has repeatedly expressed his disapproval of the rules, culture and ethics of Misplaced Pages, made assorted overt and veiled legal threats against it and its editors (in violation of ]). He has expressed the desire repeatedly to be able to manufacture unsourced "truths" for inclusion on Misplaced Pages, of which he personally is the sole and final arbiter (in violation of ]). | |||
| === Evidence of disputed behavior === | |||
| In the course of his discussions and edits, it is also clear that Moulton has violated a number of rules on Misplaced Pages: | |||
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| Moulton knows the subject of this article well, and has confirmed this repeatedly. | |||
| He was repeatedly cautioned about being in violation of ] if he continued editing the article, but he ignored this and continued to edit it anyway, sometimes responding in a less than civil fashion: | |||
| ] and ]: This is a rough summary of the events transpiring when Moulton began editing ] (not all edits and incidents included): | |||
| *(Aug 22, 0:52) removal of sourced material: | |||
| *(Aug 22, 12:02) insertion of new material, partially sourced: | |||
| *(Aug 22, 13:16) reinsertion of new material: | |||
| *(Aug 2, 16:36) Minor edits, inclusion of poorly described aside: | |||
| *(Aug 22, 17:19) partial revert by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 22, 17:48) reversion by Moulton | |||
| **(Aug 22 18:05) Warning on Moulton's talk page about not removing sourced material from or adding unsourced material to Rosalind Picard: | |||
| *(Aug 23, 01:29) reinsertion/reversion by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 23, 3:02) Reversion by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 23 4:03) Reversion by Moulton | |||
| **(Aug 23 4:04) Warning about 3RR on Moulton's homepage | |||
| *(Aug 23 4:15) reversion by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 23 08:55) introduction of tortuous explanations by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 23 10:16) reversion by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 23 10:33) reversion by Moulton | |||
| **(Aug 23 22:24) Moulton's violation of 3RR reported at Administrator's Noticeboard: Aug 23 22:24 | |||
| *(Aug 24 0:59) Moulton makes the claim the NYT is guilty of not verifying its claims | |||
| *(Aug 24 01:26) reverted again by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 24 13:01) reversion by Moulton | |||
| **(Aug 24 14:24) Warning for tendentiously editing talk page comments | |||
| *(Aug 24 14:28) reversion of text by Moulton | |||
| **(Aug 24 18:36) Blocked for 24 hours for ] | |||
| *(Aug 27 13:55) application of 9 dispute tags by Moulton | |||
| *(Aug 27 20:26) removal of sourced material again by Moulton, and inclusion of non-consensus tortuous explanation: | |||
| *(Aug 30 00:46) revert back to non-consensus version by Moulton, who again asserts that those appearing on the list did not sign the petition | |||
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| At 18:35, 24 August 2007, Moulton was blocked for 24 hours for repeated personal attacks: | |||
| However, this did not end the stream of personal attacks by a long shot, as demonstrates, for example, on August 30, 2007. | |||
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| (discussed at) Also warned about ] at . | |||
| === Applicable policies and guidelines === | |||
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| === Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute === | |||
| Moulton was repeatedly counselled to calm down and not engage in edit warring and tendentious editing. | |||
| *]: ] even bent over backwards, calling Moulton by telephone and talking to him for hours to try to help him understand the rules of WP and what would be required to reach his editing goals: | |||
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| === Users certifying the basis for this dispute === | |||
| ''{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}'' | |||
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| === Other users who endorse this summary === | |||
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| ==Response== | |||
| ''This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete. Users signing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Outside Views") should not edit the "Response" section.'' | |||
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| ==Outside view== | |||
| ''This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute. Users editing other sections ("Statement of the dispute" and "Response") should not edit the "Outside Views" section, except to endorse an outside view.'' | |||
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| ==Discussion== | |||
| ''All'' signed comments and talk not related to an endorsement should be directed to ]. Discussion should not be added below. Discussion should be posted on the talk page. Threaded replies to another user's vote, endorsement, evidence, response, or comment should be posted to the talk page. | |||
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