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Name

"Johan van Beethoven" triggers only one hit in Google scholar and that one isn't in English. It triggers three hits in Google books, two are in French and the other isn't in English, either. "Johann van Beethoven", by contrast, has 39 hits in Google scholar, thirty being in English. It also triggers 300 hits in Google books, many or most of which are in English. I could not find any other names. Sciurinæ 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Johan van Beethoven → Johann van Beethoven — Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English) —Sciurinæ 17:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Misplaced Pages's naming conventions.

• Support. Obvious. -- Matthead      O       15:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Obviously, "Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English)" does not apply here. Last time I checked the English form of Dutch Johan, was John, not Johann. (a German variant) this man was a Dutchman, many sources indicate he was born there before he and his parents moved to Bonn. In later life he often visited the Netherlands, for example Dutch fairs. The fact that he has (Dutch) family relations in the Netherlands going back to the 1500s seals the deal.Rex 16:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support as nominator. Sciurinæ 16:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Reverted twice the moves of Rex Germanus (talk · contribs) and added sources for his ancestry. -- Matthead      O       15:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support WP:COMMONNAME looking at the multitude of references for "Johann" and the lack of references for "Johan" and the fact that even the Dutch wiki lists him has Johann (instead of Johan). 84.145.195.64 16:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

• CommentI have reinserted my comment that User:Rex Germanus had removed claiming. "A: Not allowed to vote B Dutch wikipedia is not a source, nor does it list him as Johann, but Johan". I'm trying hard to assume good faith here, so I strongly suggest you consult wikipedia policies regarding the removal of other peoples comments, Rex. 84.145.195.64 16:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought I had been clear. Let me repeat it once more in even simpler English. You are an Anonymous IP adress. Not a registered User. You hence have no right to vote for validity reasons. This is a vote. Rex 16:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Show me the policy. Otherwise I cannot see this as anything but a personal attack. 84.145.195.64 17:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous IPs are not allowed to vote, nor are extremly newly registered editors with very few edits. It's because it would mean that if you went to an internet café or library (where every computer has another IP) you might be able multiple times. The same goes for creating multiple accounts (WP:SOCK) it's a rule go with it or logg in/create an account. (WP:ACCOUNT)Rex 17:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I have already told you, this is not a vote. Still, as you persist to remove and insult my comments ("false vote") I had no choice but to post a notice on WP:ANI 84.145.195.64 17:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Note: this is not a !vote but a discussion to gauge consensus. Anon editors have exactly the same rights as a registered user. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Ow, I'm shaking. A Vote, wether concerning a pagemove-poll or arbcom elections is a vote. IPs cant make them. Well... they can obviously, they're not valid.Rex 17:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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