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A runestone saga

If you are interested in a dramatic Norse saga on two women in 11th century Sweden, there is something as unusual as a completely historic one told on a series of runestones: Ekerö Runestone, Färentuna Runestones, Snåttsta Runestones, Broby bro Runestones, Harg Runestones and Uppland Rune Inscriptions 101, 143 and 147. The story has a continuation in the famous Jarlabanke Runestones, but I have not written that article yet ;).--Berig 00:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

naming conventions

I couldn't help noticing how much polemics do the naming conventions make, so I thought I'd better move one of the articles I've started, Þrúðvangr, to Thrudvang. I was asked to ask an administrator to do it, and nothing better than an Icelandic administrator to this case =). But there are some things still unclear to me - according to some guidelines I read, it would be better to move Þrúðvangr to Thrudvang, as an English would be more familiar to the latter. Then I came across Þrúðheimr, that had been moved to Thrúdheim and then back to Þrúðheimr basing his edit in one of the guidelines, even though Thrúdheim is more legible. Which makes me unsure on whether move Þrúðvangr or just leave it as it is. Furthermore, Zoëga states that Þrúðvangr is the same as Þrúðheimr, which messes things up even more. Would you clear this up? Ciacchi 19:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Canute the Great

Could you take a look at the current state of the Canute the Great article? WikieWikieWikie's been at it again, and I raised some issues with his changes on the talk page. His writing style probably needs some work as well.--Cúchullain /c 20:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Jarl Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragvaldsdotter

Hello! May I direct your attention to these two new articles: Jarl Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragvaldsdotter. These two people well deserve their own articles, and I have been thinking long about writing them myself. Now that they have appeared, they have spawned a small disagreement about naming. I would personally like to move them to Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragnvaldsdotter. Since I consider you as something of an authority in the field, would you like to have a look at the two discussion pages, and see what you think? --Barend 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your removal of protection from search engine

You recently removed semi protection from search engine. Since then it is receiving about 1 spam edit per day. I would really appreciate if you put this protection back in. A large number of anonymous editors (IP only) routinely place external links to commercial sites on this page. By routinely I mean daily or sometimes more than once a day. These editors have little to no interest in adding to the encyclopaedic value of the topic. I, along with 3-4 other editors, check this page on a daily basis to remove the spam. The moment the page was semi-protected in the past our workload dropped significantly. The day you removed this semi-protection the workload increased again. Can you put it back? PLLLLEASEEE :P Josh Froelich 19:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. In the three days since I unprotected the article there has been one insertion of a spam link and one other vandalistic IP edit. That is well below the level where semi-protection becomes desirable. Haukur 21:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A debate

Hi Haukr! I am having a discussion with an adherent of the Götaland theory who is resorting to personal attacks at Talk:King of the Geats. You are very familiar with medieval Scandinavian sources and if you are not too busy, could you please check whether I am not discussing too rashly and if needed mediate?--Berig 22:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I tried reading the discussion and I'm out of my depth! Haukur 22:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a regionalist crank theory which claims that medieval Scandinavian sources lie or are forgeries and want to place the origins of Sweden in Västergötland. In its most extreme version, it maintains that even Norse mythology originated there. This article explains it well.--Berig 13:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Zero sized reply?

Sæll!

Ég gerði tilraun til að bæta grein og fékk svarið, sem stendur í fyrirsögninni. Hvað veldur? Er maður með eða ekki? (Ég var loggaður inn, þegar þetta gerðist.)

Cheers!

Io 14:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Mormon article

Just letting you know that vandalism has started creeping up on the article Mormon since the semi-protection was taken off. I'm not sure what the next measure would be to do if it persists or becomes unmanagable/unreasonable. It would be really helpful if you would keep the article on your watchlist for a little bit just in case things get out of hand. You probably are already doing it, but I just thought I'd ask.

Thanks for your help, Kothar 20:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have it on my watchlist now. In my opinion the level of vandalism is still below the level where we should semi-protect again, but probably not by a large margin. If you feel the need for semi-protection now you should also feel free to ask other admins to do it. Haukur 18:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll give it another two weeks and then see if the vandalism seems unreasonable. On another note, I'm decent at referencing the various statements within an article. Misplaced Pages is pretty large so I'm not sure where to start but feel free to post links to any article on my talk page that you would like to see better referenced. Kothar 22:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Marmennill

Hi Haukur,

Do you knwo if the Marmennill listed here (one of the few red links left in the chart) is the same as what is defined here? Should it be mentioned in the article, or is it only folklore?

Thanks. Sigo 17:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Another red link

In the same list (artifacts), what do you think Misteltein refers to? The mistilteinn that kills Baldr? Sigo 19:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry to chip in here, but Mistelteinn is possibly the sword Hrómund took from the undead witch-king in Hrómundar saga Gripssonar.--Berig 19:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right. Thanks. I'll try to write something about that soon. Sigo 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You are doing great work, Sigo :).--Berig 21:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. So are you, of course. I try to do my best, though not Scandinavian :) Sigo 21:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Help required

Hi,

Could you please give your opinion about this and that. I don't have that much time to work on Misplaced Pages so when I come here, it's to contribute to articles, not to waste my time repeating what I've already written before. I've already left the French Wiki because of this kind of discussions, and I wish I could stay there longer.

Thanks. Sigo 15:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, I'll try to help. Haukur 16:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. I like people telling I'm "really absolutely right" :) Sigo 17:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Codex Runicus

I was looking at the Codex Runicus article and it looked like the second half had been written by someone with considerably less command of English that you seem to have, judging by other things you've written. I tried to clean it up, but my knowledge of the subject is limited.

I addition, there was a paragraph in there that was not in English. I suspect it was in Danish, but I don't know that for sure. Would you mind taking a look at the artice and my comments on the Talk page? If I've bungled something, I hope you'll fix it; but in any case, it might be useful if you could take a look at the non-English paragraph I removed (I put in on the Talk page) and see if it's something that needs to be translated and put back in.

Thanks! —CKA3KA (Skazka) 22:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your work on the Codex Runicus article. It's much clearer, now. I'm not quite sure what to do with those citations. If they're legit, then I'd hate to lose them; but I don't know how to figure out what part of the article they're meant to reinforce. I'll dig around and see if I can find any direction. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 02:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I've taken a stab at putting those citations back into the article using citation templates, but the results don't look right to me, and now I'm out of time. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 03:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Wesley Clark

• I've made a proposal on the FAC, if you'll check it out. Thanks! (sidenote, it might be time to archive this talk page, it's getting long! :) ) Staxringold _talk 19:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• Hey, I've heavily rewritten the article per a variety of requests, I hope you'll stop by and leave comments and maybe even a new vote. :) Staxringold _talk 22:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Týr

Hi Haukur,

Since you're the only contributor to this redirect, could you please delete it so that I could move Tyr to Týr? Thanks. Sigo 15:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

D'accord! Haukur 16:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Merci. Sigo 17:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Kjárr

Thanks for excellent research on the Kjárr-article!! You convinced me, at least. :-) JdeJ 00:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Guardian Council

You deleted "Vicious Circle" section without any discussion. Please revert it enabling everybody to discuss it and come to agreement about it. Farhoudk 19:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I left a rather detailed edit summary - and my point had already been made by another contributor on the talk page. Basically I think that discussion of the large amount of built-in inertia in the Iranian political system is justified - but it has to be sourced to reliable sources, not be presented as original research based on the constitution. The primary sources can certainly be used and quoted but they should be applied in the light of secondary sources. Haukur 20:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Your above opinion never mentioned by other editors. You would better include it in the discussion page instead of removing the section in advance.

There are very good secondary references from various Iranian political parties which I am going to add it. But it was better The Behnam and you did not remove the section and add a citation tag on it instead, allowing me to have enough time to respond and to add some extra references. Best. Farhoudk 05:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Guardian_Council#Vicious_Circle for several references about "Vicious Circle". In Persian language they call it تسلسل or دور معیوب or دور باطل. Also please take a look at the impolite wordings used by The Behnam. Best. Farhoudk 14:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

It might be a bit late but any way congratulation for getting the Battle of Svolder to FA. It is a great article and a great read and I think you did a superb job. Kyriakos 07:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

plagirism

I've never taken anything from another site. I've rephrased things but never directly copied things. Is rephrasing considered plagiarism? Perl 05:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

U-hljóðvarp og því um líkt

Blessaður!

Ég hefi verið fjarri býsna lengi og geri ekki ráð fyrir að staldra lengi við um sinn, en þú getur frætt mig um a.m.k. einn hlut: Er baráttan fyrir samræmdri stafsetningu fornri glötuð?

Beztu kveðjur Io 21:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Steinn Steinarr

Sæll!

Ég jók aðeins við síðu Steins. Vildirðu vera svo vænn að líta yfir það? Ég er ekki ánægður sjálfur.

Cheers Io 22:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Spánverjavígin og DjVuLibre

Sæll!

Ég fæ meldinguna, að það vanti forritsbút hjá mér til að skoða heimildina, sem þú sendir mér hlekk í. Ég skrifa þetta á fartölvu með Ubuntu, en ég fæ sömu tilkynninguna eftir að hafa sett upp DjVu. Veiztu, hvað er að?

Kær kveðja Io 17:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

RFC/discussion of article Sulla

Hello, Haukurth. As a prominent contributor to Sulla, you may want to be aware that a request for comments has been filed about it. The RFC can be found by the article's name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found on Talk:Sulla, in case you wish to participate. Thank you for your contributions. -- Nick 15:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sigurdur Thorarinsson

Hi Haukur, I appreciate your improvements to Sigurdur Thorarinsson, the first sentence is better now without the footnote. Perhaps you are aware from the edit history that User:Edinborgarstefan suddenly moved the article without any prior discussion to Sigurður_Þórarinsson (where I had already set up a redirect) and proceeded to "Icelandify" the entire article. Needless to say, I was not pleased by this unilateral conduct with no discussion whatsoever, and I left a lengthy note on his talk page.

Since you are a longtime Wikipedian and an admin (and I've only been contributing here < 3 months), I would appreciate your views on Icelandification of WP articles. The biggest problem is that the characters "ð" and "Þ" do not render properly in older browsers. For testing my own website, I use many browsers including an old 2002 version of Internet Explorer, since many people around the world continue to use older computers and outdated software out of necessity or poverty, and it is important to support them. The characters "ð" and "Þ" look horrible in those older browsers, and the page becomes so ugly that it is difficult and highly unpleasant to read. After Sigurdur Thorarinsson had been renamed and altered, it was a complete mess in older browsers due to those changes (see this screenshot I have temporarily uploaded). That unreadability and the severe lack of courtesy displayed by making a unilateral undiscussed move is what caused me to react so strongly on Edinborgarstefan's talk page.

Do you think it is a good idea that so many of the Iceland-related articles on WP (i.e. those which have been fully Icelandified) have thus been mangled for many users throughout the world? No one is going to want to read an article that looks like that screenshot, and so information about your country and its culture is less accessible to the masses. This is probably not the outcome that Icelanders on WP intended when they undertook to Icelandify so many articles. Not to mention the frequent violations of both Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions and Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English) in these article titles.

I have no desire for conflict on WP, especially with people from a unique and fascinating nation which I hope to visit and ski many of its volcanoes and icefields. Please let me know your opinion on this issue. My own view is that over-Icelandification is a Bad Thing, as is the use of other characters in article titles which are ill-supported in older browsers (such as ß, which has apparently caused lengthy discussions and renaming battles on many Germany-related articles). It is clear from his talk page that Edinborgarstefan holds the opposite view, and has pushed his POV on this issue several times before. I wish to avoid any conflicts with him or other Icelanders if I should happen to write any more Iceland-related aricles (on volcanoes, glaciers, or geologists are the most likely areas where I might do so).

Thanks, --Seattle Skier (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Watchdetails

Would you mind re-adding the notice for the Jimbo Poll? One day isn't enough, especially as many, many, many more regulars edit during the work week... and will see it then. - Denny 21:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

π

In that case, could you please comment about the image on the section on the talk page? Thanks. Picaroon 21:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your Message! Gaman að sjá þig!

Wow! Nice to meet you! Are you Icelandic??? I am really really glad that a user from Iceland left the FIRST MESSAGE for me! (Icelandic People are my fabourite people! haha..) As you may see already, I've just created my account, so I still don't know much about Misplaced Pages,,,(But I'll try to do my best...) I am from Japan, so I may know something about Japan...haha (I currently live in Canada though...) Anyway thank you for your message, and see you! (Þakka þér fyrir!) Kazuse 01:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Bruce Haslingden

If there's precedent for inclusion, then fair enough. Is there a consensus / policy / guideline regarding blanket notability for Olympic competitors? - Tiswas 23:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it. But I felt this was enough of a borderline case that I would be overstepping my role as an admin in speedy-deleting it. I'd like to encourage you to take the article to AFD. Haukur 00:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Will do - thanks for the info (and Hi - forgot that bit earlier) - Tiswas 00:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The article is now at AfD. Please see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bruce Haslingden. --Eastmain 03:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Well done! As I suspected opinions are mixed on this. Haukur 08:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Norse history and culture wikiproject

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Vikings and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject History of Scandinavia both appear to be defunct at this point. I would like to set up a new Wikiproject to oversee articles on ancient and medieval Scandinavian and Nordic history that would cover what these inactive projects used to. There are literally hundreds of great articles on obscure sagas, historical figures and the like (largely through the efforts of such users as User:Berig and User:Wiglaf). Since you have edited many Norse-themed articles in the past, I would be interested in your thoughts on how best to proceed. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I've thought about this sometimes but not quite been able to convince myself that there are enough editors for a worthwhile project. I'm also not as active as I used to be. But if you do start a project I hope it does well. Haukur 22:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Opps. I was trying to update the count, but I'd been looking at an old revision and I screwed up. Thanks. --Gmaxwell 01:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

I am very grateful for the message, and I hope my comment, on my user page and the RfA talk page, will begin to reassure you that I intend to take the criticisms seriously. Danny 22:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

when

Well three months minimium and I have other things to do at the moment athough thanks for the thought.Geni 16:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Iceland

Hello. Please have a look at the recent contributions of the editor who half-removed the prod: Special:Contributions/86.135.23.96. The prod removal looks like more vandalism. Also, please note what the prod tag says:

If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article, or if you otherwise object to deletion of the article for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page.

So we really should keep the prod tag up for now since, as you noted earlier, it's worse than no article at all in its present state. If the author(s) objects, then let's come to a consensus about what to do. Thanks, Clicketyclack 18:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern but the rule with prod has always been that anyone can remove the tag - even shady anonymous editors who don't provide a reason. The pertinent part from the quote above is "You may remove this message ... if you ... object to deletion of the article for any reason." I still think the article should be deleted but at this point we have to bring it to AfD if we still wish to pursue the matter. Haukur 09:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that. It seems the article was copied from here so I've speedied it as a copyvio. Haukur 09:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Well spotted, thanks. Clicketyclack 11:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Norse history and culture

Thought you might be interested in contributing... Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Keith Peck

Can you please explain why it is that you do not approve of a QUOTES section with a referrence to the website as well as a link to a gallery of bows. I started the page, so I believe I know what I am talking about. It seems to me, that you are the one vandalizing this page by deleting relevant information about an American Master Bowmaker.

If you have suggestions about adding information, I welcome that. But deleting relevant information is vandalism in my view. User:Milliot 16 April 2007 (UTC) User:Milliot 16 April 2007 (UTC) User:Milliot 16 April 2007 (UTC)

TeckWiz's RFA

Hey Haukurth. Thanks for supporting my unsuccessful RFA this week. I hope to keep helping and improving Misplaced Pages alongside you. --TeckWiz Contribs_@(Lets go Yankees!) 01:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Shirahadasha RfA thanks

Thanks so much for taking the time to comment on my my RfA, which was successful. I learned a lot from the comments, I appreciate everything that was said, and I'll do my best to deserve the community's trust. Thanks again! --Shirahadasha 05:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Haukurth, thank you for supporting my RfA!
I was promoted with a final tally of 68/12/0.
Also, please wish a Happy Birthday to Her Majesty the Queen. Vivat Regina!

Gardnerian Wicca

I'm sorry to say, I think your reversion is wrong. Gerald Gardner DID use the term Witch Cult regualrly in his written works, and if I had one on hand right now, I would be putting citations in for it. It is not pejorative to use the term cult, from an anthropological viewpoint.--Vidkun 13:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, go right ahead. I can be a bit trigger happy when doing recent changes patrol... Haukur 13:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Got it. I see where you were coming from, assumed good faith (that you considered cult pejorative). I'll work on citations when I have my books in front of me.--Vidkun 13:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Iceland

Maybe you are interested in this project... --Michkalas 14:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Categories

I'm of two minds. As far as literature is concerned, we certainly don't need both categories. But Category:Viking Age poets is probably useful as a subcategory of Category:Viking Age people. Ráði aðrir... Sigo 15:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Award

Thanks for the star! I appreciate it. :} :bloodofox: 19:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar awarding

o0o my first barnstar lol, I'm gonna print it off and frame it! Thanks :-) Mentality 12:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Page move

Hi Haukr. Could you please move Wayland the smith to Wayland Smith? It appears to be by far the most common form of his name.--Berig 17:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Ah, I see Brian has already done it. Haukur 20:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Norns

Hi Haukr! I feel quite finished with Norn at the moment. Maybe it'll help more people discover the beauty of eddic poetry. If you have the time, please don't hesitate to add information or fix mistakes.--Berig 20:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Norse history and culture

Hi Haukr, I wonder if you would like to join this project. You are really needed on board, and I think that the project serves a purpose on Misplaced Pages.--Berig 17:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, if you say so :) Haukur 23:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Great! :).--Berig 00:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Aphrodite

I believe nouns ending in -is (-ις) imply feminine gender and are diminutive. I can't check it further right now; you can revert it if in doubt. Crvst 17:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Goðafoss

Thank you for your update on Goðafoss! This is a location I am very interested in. I am also very interested in actually seeing some sort of image of these wooden statues I keep reading about. I am aware that one of them can be found at the Danish National Museum but it was not on display last time I was there.. Maybe you know of an image somewhere or where more, if any other surviving ones exist, can be found? Also, do you know where a complete listing of all discovered Mjolnir pendants can be found? There seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding these hammers. :bloodofox: 06:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Page move

Dear Haukur, if you have time time, could you please move Dísir to Dís in accordance with the naming policy?--Berig 11:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Though I'm not totally convinced it wouldn't be more natural to have these pages at dísir, nornir etc. *shrug* Haukur 11:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Haukur. That said, I would like to add that I totally agree with you. However, it feels strange to navigate between Dísir, Valkyrie and Norn when the last two are in the singular and the first one is in the singular. OTOH, Nordisk familjebok's entry for the Dísir is in the singular Dis.--Berig 11:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Revert?

Huh? <looks through page history> ... Eh, odd edit-conflictish thingemebob while I was messing with the page style. (if you'd been following the talk page, you'd see I've been working on the layout). Why didn't I get an edit conflict message? Way odd!

I do agree the old wording is better. Note that it was Tony Sidaway who made he edit stating that IAR is the oldest policy.

--Kim Bruning 16:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, sorry for being testy. Haukur 17:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of the article CCleaner

Hiya. As suggested on the deletion review metasite I'll bring this up on the deleting administrator's talk page first, e.g. here. You deleted the article CCleaner based on the two years old AfD Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ccleaner. While you are following standard procedure, I'd like to express my belief that (claimed) 65+ million downloads from the official site and 3.870.000 Google hits suggest that the notability of the application has been established since April 2005. Or have I misunderstood the criteria for software notability? --Servant Saber 18:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can demonstrate that the product meets Misplaced Pages:Notability_(companies_and_corporations)#Primary_criterion then you're good to go. Haukur 01:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Sæll Haukur, og þakka þér fyrir orðsendingu. Frábær upplestur Þjóðreksvísunnar hjá þér! --Dependent Variable, eða kannski þekkirðu mig betur sem höfund Loga sögu loptgengils... Vonandi hef ég ekki gert hér of margar Íslenskuvillur ;-)

Respelled pronunciation of "Garðar Thór Cortes"

Actually, I think the article "Garðar Thór Cortes" is one where a respelled pronunciation would come in very useful. Can we consider restoring it? Not many people read IPA symbols with ease, particularly those representing Icelandic phonology, and on my browser the character that you inserted after the "r" in "Cortes" doesn't even display properly – it appears as a little square. (What character is it supposed to be?) Also, I'm not sure it's right to consider the respelling system I used as "idiosyncratic" as I was applying the system set out in the "Help:Pronunciation respelling key" article. I've put a copy of this message in "Talk:Garðar Thór Cortes"; perhaps we can continue this discussion there. Cheers, Jacklee 01:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course. Let's discuss it there. Haukur 01:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:IAR

The newer (but long-standing) wording conveys exactly the same intended sentiment with far greater clarity, and it also advises against blindly performing common sense-defying edits purely for the sake of following the rules. Please see the talk page before fueling this edit war. Thank you. —David Levy 02:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. But don't worry, I'm going to Spain for a week now :) Haukur 10:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Ragnarök

Hi

You seem to be at least slightly aware of old Icelandic, so I'd like to ask you for some help. On the Ragnarök article, it says that the erroneous translation of Ragnarök as ,,Götterdämmerung" is because of a mistake Snorri Sturluson made in the 13th century. Now I don't get it. How is Ragnarøkr different from Ragnarök? It's not about the final vowel, I get that. But isn't the -r just the nominative marker? Does it really make the difference between darkness and fate? Are røkr and rök etymologically related?

tia

bluppfisk 20:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Good question. Check the dictionary, those are two distinct words and not every noun gets r as a nominative case marker: http://www.northvegr.org/zoega/345r.php Haukur 11:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Seint svar!

Komdu sæll og blessaður Haukur!

Ég biðst afsökunar á því að ég skyldi ekki hafa svarað þér fyrr. Það er nú bara einfaldlega þannig að ég kann ekki nægilega vel á þetta wiki-kerfi eins og er. Liðu meira að segja margar vikur áður en ég einu sinni fattaði að einhver væri búinn að senda mér skilaboð hehe :). Er ennþá að læra þetta.

Varðandi táknið sem ég breytti aftur í R svo er það að segja að ég kynni örugglega vel við táknið sem þú notaðir væri mér kleift að sjá það :) Það er eitthvað að tölvunni minni þannig að táknið "þitt,, verður að ferhyrningi. Skil ekki nákvæmlega af hverju. Ég hélt að notaður unikódi ætti að vera staðall og þegar til hjá öllum tölvunotendum. En augljóslega ekki. En þess vegna fjarlægði ég táknið þangað til ég færi að skilja þetta betur. Ef til vill eru fleiri sem ekki geta lesið táknið eins og það á að vera en ég vildi að textinn væri flestum læsilegur. Veistu nokkuð um einhverja lausn á þessu?

Bless í bili

Kveðja Útgarðaloki (njóttu Spánar!)

Útgarðaloki 16:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Spánn er góður! Ég skal skoða táknamálið þegar ég kem heim. Haukur 11:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Sæll, long time no see, og allt það, en ...

hvernig ber maður sig að við að fá annað notendanafn, þannig að bæði séu virk í einu. Þetta er spurning um, frá mínum bæjardyrum séð, að geta brugðið sér í eitt gervi, þegar maður fjallar um einn málaflokk og annað, ef maður skrifar um annan. Ef ég man rétt, var þetta viðurkennd ástæða hjá Wikipediu einhverju sinni. Kærar kveðjur Io 19:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Mig minnti, að svo væri. En hvernig ber maður sig að við það að koma upp öðru nafni? Ég er ekki svo fróður um fræðin. Beztu kveðjur Io 21:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Þakka þér fyrir. Þetta er svo einfalt, að ég skammast mín fyrir að hafa spurt. Kannski ég hafi tapað einhverjum greindarstigum með aldrinum - a.m.k. var þetta fullkominn aulaskapur af minni hálfu. En það er gaman að sjá þig aftur. Kær kveðja Io 14:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Icelandic language

After noticing your recent Iceland-related contributions, I would like to ask you to vote for the Icelandic language article in the Article Creation and Improvement Drive, your vote would be greatly appreciated if Icelandic language is nominated for ACID so that we can collaboratively improve the article. I would also like to take this opportunity to invitie you to become a member of WikiProject Iceland. Thank you! Max Naylor Max Naylor 15:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm interested in using your public domain image of Blommer's 1852 Freya painting. I'd like to know the original location of the work in order to cite it correctly. Do you know it?

Thanks so much.

rbivens@agnesscott.edu

I'm afraid not. I know nothing about the image beyond what it says on the image description page. Haukur 20:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Flog, flog

Just to be clear, I wasn't really aiming my comments at you- I'm agreeing with you. I had a bit of a disagreement on this exact issue with another editor who IMO ought to know better. Friday (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Peter Fisher (tr.)

Haukur 16:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I reverted your linking of "Peter Fisher (tr.)" How were you able to revert so many in so little time? It took me over half an hour to put them in.
as we don't have an article about him Obviously. Why do you think I put the links in?
it's not a string you'd expect to see linked Why not? There are links to the editor of the book. Who are the "you" who would not expect it to be linked? Do you mean: it's not a string I'd expect to see linked, or is there some community or convention on this? Please enlighten me.
I'm not even sure an article should be written about him Why do you say that? (i.e. Please enlighten me.)
are you planning one? Well what do you think? Why do you think I would go to the time and effort of putting the links in? (Of course I was planning one.)
Don't you think it's just a wee bit arrogant to go undoing other people's edits (which are clearly not vandalism) without discussing it with them first, or explaining why you did it? (Rather than just leaving a message afterwards saying "I reverted your link"s.)? Pdfpdf 04:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Post Script: as we don't have an article about him Who is/are the "we" that "don't have an article about him"? Pdfpdf 06:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

By 'we' I meant Misplaced Pages. Haukur 11:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

But, yeah, I should have explained better and I'll add a bit now. You'd linked Peter Fisher (tr.) in multiple articles and then created a redirect from that page to the non-existent Peter Fisher (translator). The bluelinked Peter Fisher (tr.) all over the place made it appear Misplaced Pages had an article on the subject when it didn't. If he meets WP:BIO and you were planning to write an article on him then please go ahead, I'll help link to the article once you've written it. Haukur 11:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll help link to the article once you've written it. - Thank you.
made it appear Misplaced Pages had an article on the subject when it didn't - Well, yes. But ... the passage of time would have cured that ...
I asked a few questions you haven't answered yet:

• How were you able to revert so many in so little time?
• it's not a string you'd expect to see linked - Why not?
• I'm not even sure an article should be written about him Why do you say that?

Pdfpdf 11:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

By using the 'rollback' function. You can have similar functionality by getting certain scripts/tools. I would expect Peter Fisher (translator) to be linked but not Peter Fisher (tr.) because the latter would never be an article title here. I wasn't sure whether he'd meet WP:BIO but I know very little about the fellow. Haukur 11:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

So I gather it's frowned upon to use redirects? Why? It's a lot quicker and easier to redirect Peter Fisher (tr.) to Peter Fisher (translator) than it is to replace dozens of "Peter Fisher (tr.)" with "Peter Fisher (translator)|Peter Fisher (tr.)". Pdfpdf 13:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

hndis tag on an article about given names

Please do not add the hndis tag (or disambig, for that matter) to given-name articles, such as Jón. These are not disambiguation pages, but articles about the given names and people bearing those given names. Jón Arason and Jón Leifs do not have the same name, and therefore the natural names of their articles are different, so no disambiguation is needed. There has been a good deal of discussion at the talk page for MoS:DP, if you are interested. Happy editing! Chris the speller 05:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Guðrún

Hi Haukur, I was thinking of moving Gudrun to the redirect Guðrún, and suddenly user:Jón changes the redirect into a disambiguation page. Since, you are an Icelander, like Jón, I will leave the decision about what should be done to you. (PS, I am working on the very very long Sigurðarkviða hin skamma, and I hope to be finished this weekend.)--Berig 10:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing and got confused! I don't know what the best thing to do is :| Good luck on the long poem :) Haukur 10:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that Jón's article be moved to Guðrún (name) or even better Gudrun (name), since it would then cover also the infamous Swedish hurricane and the many mainland Scandinavians who have the name.--Berig 10:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, probably something like that. It's just that writing a good Gudrun/Guðrún (name) article would be significant work and I'm really not that interested in name articles. (I think Jón is a German, by the way.) Haukur 11:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I am interested in names ;-).--Berig 11:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Eddica minora

I am going to try something with the Eddica minora group, and I will mostly do it as an experiment. You can edit the result at your leasure afterwards, because it is only a suggestion.--Berig 19:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

There! It is not an ideal solution and it is quite arbitrary. However, it allows those curious to take a tour in Norse mythology and ties it all up in a way.--Berig 19:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, interesting :) I guess it is a bit arbitrary. I'll give it a think and maybe try something slightly different. But you deserve much praise for finishing up the Eddic circle! Haukur 21:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I trust you to make the best out of it :).--Berig 21:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Nested Redirects

Continuing ...

So I gather it's frowned upon to use nested redirects? Why?
(Example: It's a lot quicker and less effort to redirect "Peter Fisher (tr.)" to "Peter Fisher (translator)" than it is to replace dozens of "Peter Fisher (tr.)" with "Peter Fisher (translator)|Peter Fisher (tr.)". )
I gather there must be a policy or a convention? Can you point me at it please?

Also, I "renamed" a page using "move", and the software didn't seem to be as clever as I expected it would be in changing the links pointing to the page. It seemed to leave behind lots of links for me to fix manually. Is that right, or did I screw up the "move" somehow? Pdfpdf 10:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleting an image

Dear Haukur, could you please delete Image:Kraka by Winge.jpg. I have uploaded a picture of higher quality to commons, and this one blocks the commons pic.--Berig 17:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :).--Berig 20:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Eszett

The Eszett, when unavailable, is substituted. In English, it is almost always never used. That is the point of the matter. Meißen = Meissen. Charles 16:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

It is easily available to us here and we use it in the titles of many articles. Haukur 17:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it is easily available is irrelevant. Like I clearly said, in the line about yours, it is almost never used in English. Charles 21:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

You keep shifting your argument. Haukur 21:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Shifting my argument? I don't even see an argument. I see what I am saying as common sense when it comes to English. Charles 22:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I recognize that after retreating from some of your previous claims you still have a perfectly reasonable argument for your position (substituting ss for ß everywhere). It is not, however, the only reasonable position, nor the one best in harmony with our current practice nor (at least not inarguably) the one best in harmony with our policies as written. Haukur 22:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't retreated from my claims, at least not intentionally. If you care to point such a thing out, I would be more than happy to re-address it and clarify. Regarding your comment about it not being the only reasonable position, you are right. However, for the most part, that is the position that is applied in English, especially when it concerns a city with an established English name. I would be interested in knowing which policies this practice is not in harmony with. Charles 22:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

My interpretation of the Use English policy, as I've gone through at some length. (I do recognize it's not the only possible interpretation.) Perhaps 'retreat' was a badly chosen word. I was just referring to our 'directly equivalent' discussion. Haukur 22:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding directly equivalent: Are you referring to Masse and Maße? In that case, it is a matter of context. The same is true for words in English for which there is an identical spelling but a different pronunciation and meaning. In the case of the Eszett, I believe that is being specifically handled through the spelling reform. Charles 23:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Masse and Maße are two different German words, spelled differently and pronounced differently. They were not affected by the spelling reform. Haukur 23:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

However, where the Eszett is unavailable... Charles 23:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Then the two words are written the same but pronounced differently. Which is a bit annoying, especially for those learning the language. Haukur 23:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Lewis

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Flag of Lewis, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. MRM 20:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

is:Þykkvabæjarklaustur

Hi Haukur,

This is a very short article, but if you translate it, I'll try to add a few things. Sigo 15:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Will reply on your page. Haukur 16:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. This is the best I can do for the moment. Sigo 00:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you cover the points that are of most interest to the general (French) reader, i.e. the literary activity in the monastery. Most of the rest that can be said has to do with internal Icelandic church politics (and is, thus, probably of little outside interest). Runólfr Sigmundsson was involved with bishop Árni Þorláksson in the efforts of the Church to wrestle control of local church property from the chieftains (the "staðamál"). Þorlákr Loptsson, abbot 1314-1350, was involved in the issues surrounding bishop Lárentíus Kálfsson. Sigurður Halldórsson, who became abbot ca. 1530, was a prominent ally of bishop Jón Arason in the struggle against the Reformation. I've added these facts to the Icelandic article along with the names of the other known abbots (some of them we know almost nothing about, the 15th century, in particular, is very sparsely documented in Iceland). Haukur 22:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Historia Norwegiae

Hi Haukur! Do you have access to an English translation of Historia Norwegiae?--Berig 20:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Great! I'd love to have his translation of Historia Norwegiae's version of Ynglingatal (I definately need to go to bed now, and I am going to Finland for a few days tomorrow, so it's no hurry).--Berig 23:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

PS, I'd be happy with the translation from Yngvi to Olof Tretelgja. I hope it is not too much of a text.--Berig 00:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not too long. I've typed up Yngvi to Haraldr hárfagri; will send it to you by e-mail. Have a nice trip! Haukur 01:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks !!! It's excellent. That was really kind of you!--Berig 05:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, wow! I have to say you certainly put it to good use :) Haukur 23:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to you! I thought, I'd never get around to provide those translations in the articles :).--Berig 13:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked the bot. It is editing hundreds of articles for the sole purpose of changing "till" to "until". While "until" may be preferable style in some cases, "till" is a valid English word which does not need indiscriminate replacement. While in most cases this will be a relatively harmless waste of resources, in some cases it introduces errors in direct quotes. See here for example: Haukur 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Haukur, I wish you'd left me a message before blocking my bot. I know the bot was replacing instances of till with until, it was entirely deliberate. My bot is completely supervised, so I was watching out for 'till' being used in direct quotes, and had added about 180 usages of "till" (out of 800) to my bot's exception list. I'm sorry I made a mistake with Sweyn I of Denmark, but it you'd left me a message, I'd have added it to my exception list immediately.

Also if you look at the recent edits in my contributions, you'd have seen that I stopped editing 15 minutes before you blocked me, and 'till->until' wasn't the only change I was making, it's just I happened to be focussing on articles with that word in it today, just like yesterday I was focussing on "aircrafts". Could you unblock me please? Cmdrjameson 00:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I've now found three more examples of changes to direct quotes, just by checking a sample of the bot's actions for the last two days. This is in addition to the error brought to your attention by Jasper33 above. This is not good and makes me wonder if the rest of the bot's till-to-until edits should be reverted indiscriminately since checking every case is time consuming. I appreciate that you've done some good work with the bot and that an error now and then is acceptable but your current error rate is unacceptable. You are only authorized to run a spellbot if you carefully check each proposed edit. Haukur 00:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. Since it's so error prone, I've removed till->until from my bot's rules. Cmdrjameson 00:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll unblock your bot. Please proceed with caution. Haukur 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Right. I'll go back and review all the till edits tomorrow, and revert any inappropriate ones. Thanks. Cmdrjameson 00:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The reason I was changing 'till' to 'until' is because 'till' isn't very formal. For similar reasons I added a rule for changing 'often times' to 'often' when it was suggested to me. The former is technically correct, but it isn't really the right tone for an encyclopedia. In hindsight, the difference is probably small enough not to be worth the bother. I'll stick to less controversial edits for now! CmdrObot 00:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The best of luck to you. Haukur 00:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Tammet

Thank you for your fixes and reverts to this article. I'm watching it, too, but am not so good on editing reverts yet. Your work is much appreciated. Bearian 02:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I was kind of getting second thoughts myself about this. Maybe the IP editor is honestly trying to improve the article. Haukur 09:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Erastes

Hi

I would like to change my entry from "user erastes" to Erastes as my first novel has been well-received, has been nominated for literary awards and I have sold 20 short stories. I'm now the Director of the Erotic Authors Association too.

I note that other authors with fewer writing credits than I, such as Alexander Chee have their own main space pages.

Kind regards

Erastes

I'll reply on your talk page. Haukur 11:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: My RfB

I responded to your question. Please tell me if you don't understand my response, as I have a complicated view on the matter and I don't think I worded it amazingly. --Deskana (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletions

Hi Haukur

No problem with the deletions. I was not aware of the relevant rules and regulations. Concerning Ohthere’s Sciringes heal(h) then the location has been a much debated issue since I published my article last year. This article is also available in printed form at many university libraries (ISBN 9979-70-116-1). Naturally I am not popular among scholars for my pioneering theories, but I work with facts, not Truths. Many high-ranking scholars have already accepted my main theory presented in the article in question. The old theory (Sciringes heal(h) in Vestfold) is practically dead among elite historians but there are strong forces that want to keep the theory alive. The reasons for this you understand if you read the article. Some of the main proponents of the old theory do, however, not believe in it anymore! As you have a great interest in the early history of the Icelandic nation then I recommend my two articles. You already have the links. The location of Sciringes heal(h) has some major relevancy for any discussion about the origin of the settlers of Iceland. I will contact you later on if I have any relevant information for you, which could be next autumn.

Sincerely

Einar Gunnar Birgisson Independent researcher born 1960 in Iceland

Thank you. I have nothing against your theories. The thing is just that Misplaced Pages tries to be conservative and in some cases must give prominence to dusty old theories while new theories are gaining ground in academia. Haukur 23:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/bureaucratship

I have reverted the page back, following your self reversion to avoid 3RR (though to be honest this looks a bit like vandalism so 3RR does not apply). In all good faith I find it unlikely to the extreme that a new account's very first edit would be to that page. Hopefully they will leave it alone, or to put it another way, they will put a sock in it.... :) Pedro |  Chat  12:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Got to love "consensus!!!" crusaders reverting without discussion or any attempt at reaching a compromise. The SPA-part is just icing on the cake. Haukur 12:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

You may be interested in this over at ANI. Pedro |  Chat  15:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild Ozursdattir

Started work on this article, and will add more later. If you're able and willing, I could use a hand with expansion, refs, etc. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I added a couple of interwiki-links to it and rigged up a few redirects, bringing in more links. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Gunnhild_Ozursdattir Haukur 23:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The article is now at Gunnhild Mother of Kings. I'm not crazy about this title, but nothing else seems to fit (since the sources don't even agree on whose daughter she was). In any case, it has been greatly expanded, including references to sources id'ing her as a daughter of Gorm. Interestingly, some genealogy websites suggest that Gunnhild Ozzur's daughter and Gunnhild Gorm's daughter were two different people, both wives of Erik Bloodax, but I've found no corroboration in any scholarly sources yet. I still need to expand the "later life" section, talk about her role during the rule of Harald II etc. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice work! Haukur 20:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfB

Thank you, Haukur, for participating in my RfB, which ended unsuccessfully with a final tally of (80/22/3). I shall continue to work on behalf of the community's interests and improve according to your suggestions. Most sincere regards, Húsönd 23:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Obrigado, Haukur, por participares no meu RfB, que terminou sem sucesso com um resultado final de (80/22/3). Continuarei a trabalhar em prol dos interesses da comunidade e a melhorar segundo vossas sugestões. Calorosos cumprimentos, Húsönd 23:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks • Obrigado • Gracias • Merci • Danke • Спасибо • Tack • Kiitos Esker • Köszönöm • Takk • Grazie • Hvala • ありがとう • 謝謝 • 谢谢

Bureaucrat

Thanks for your comments. I am Misplaced Pages's newest bureaucrat. I will do my best to keep your concerns in mind as I perform my duties. Andre (talk) 09:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Lapland

In Huld, the word "Finland" is linked to the article "Lapland". Since Lapland is a disambiguation page, we need to find a solution. I suspect the link was created when "Lapland" was a regular article, which I believe was moved to Sápmi (area). How about writing a little note about Sami/Finns? (if that is the intention), instead of hiding information under a link. --Leo Laursen ( T | C ) 10:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think linking to a disambiguation page is necessarily a bad thing. In truth I'm not really sure what Heimskringla means when it says "Finnland" but I don't think Finland is a good match for it. We're using a 19th century translation here which sometimes leads to problems. Try asking User:Berig. Haukur 10:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:IAR 2

Your latest version seems fine to me. Haukur 21:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool! I just tweaked the wording again, so I hope that it's still okay. —David Levy 22:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Certainly, that's good too! Haukur 01:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear it! It would be nice if we could finally settle the wording dispute. —David Levy 01:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion welcome at deletion review for Plot of Les Mis

After Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Plot of Les Misérables closed as a deletion, I'm challenging the way the closing administrator acted as in violation of Misplaced Pages rules. Your participation is welcome at that discussion, Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 14. Please keep in mind that only arguments related to either new information or to how Misplaced Pages rules were violated or not violated in closing the discussion will be considered. It isn't a replay of the original AfD. I'm familiar with WP:CANVASSING and I am alerting everyone who participated in that discussion to the deletion review. I won't contact anyone again on this topic, and I apologize if you consider this note distracting. Noroton 04:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Vadalism

This User User:Lucky number 49 has been deleting informations on this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Freyja&diff=141790268&oldid=141721684

Freyja er tignust með Frigg. Hon giftist þeim manni, er Óðr heitir. Dóttir þeira er Hnoss. Hon er svá fögr, at af hennar nafni eru hnossir kallaðar, þat er fagrt er ok gersimligt. Óðr fór í braut langar leiðir, en Freyja grætr eftir, en tár hennar er gull rautt. Freyja á mörg nöfn, en sú er sök til þess, at hon gaf sér ýmis heiti, er hon fór með ókunnum þjóðum at leita Óðs. Hon heitir Mardöll ok Hörn, Gefn, Sýr. Freyja átti Brísingamen. Hon er ok kölluð Vanadís.

 + ::Gylfaginning, Eysteinn Björnsson's edition  

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Freyja is most gently born (together with Frigg): she is wedded to the man named Ódr. Their daughter is Hnoss: she is so fair, that those things which are fair and precious are called hnossir. Ódr went away on long journeys, and Freyja weeps for him, and her tears are red gold. Freyja has many names, and this is the cause thereof: that she gave herself sundry names, when she went out among unknown peoples seeking Ódr: she is called Mardöll and Hörn, Gefn, Sýr. Freyja had the necklace Brísinga-men. She is also called Lady of the Vanir.

 + ::Gylfaginning, Brodeur's translation  

He deleted a whole paragraph above and its translation; and seems to be using that page as his own homepage. What are you admins doing?

Lolita Goth 09:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Help me out with the Icelandic exonyms

Dear Haukur, Can you help me with the Icelandic exonyms? I addded a few like Peituborg (Poitiers), but they don't fit into the frame, I did something wrong and I don't know what. I don't understand html language. Can you fix it? Jökullind Fanndís Bergelmisdóttir 22:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The solution is not obvious to me - this table code is a bit arcane. I guess you'll just have to experiment a bit more, you did certainly manage to add some. Your examples are interesting though perhaps it would be worthwhile to make notes on which names are in common usage (e.g. Versalir) and which are not (e.g. Þuslþorp). Haukur 00:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Heimdallr

I still think Heimdallr means "home dale". (Aren't Þræl and Þræll the same word despite the variable second 'l'?) but I can't prove it beyond an obvious suspicion, so I won't fault you for your revert. What I would like is your opinion of the following Cleasby/Viguffson entry:

DALLR, m. a small tub, esp. for milk or curds; bæði byttur og dallarLars951 23:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

"Þræll" is the nominative singular form while "þræl" is the accusative singular form. The dictionary is certainly correct but the second part of the name Heimdallr is not generally assumed to be this word but from a root meaning "bright". Haukur 00:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_candidates/Gunnhild_Mother_of_Kings

Since you worked on this article, I thought it would interest you to know that it is up for FA status. Your comments would be most welcome. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild

Your criticisms are well taken, though my format of citation is similar to that used in many reference works (see, for example, any of the books of William Ian Miller.) I was not aware that there were significant differences in the numbering of chapters between editions. Would you be willing to help me change. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 00:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

'baegslit'

hello Haukur -- maybe you can help me with this one? --dab (𒁳) 07:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

X is the key :) Haukur 09:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks! De Vries has bœxl -- I guess I would have had to read the entire letter b to find that... Also, thanks for the pointer to the digitized Cleasby-Vigfusson. dab (𒁳) 11:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, any time. I can help you translate more of the text if you'd like. Haukur 11:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

well, what do you make of posa kellingar? I figured out that kellingar is for kerlingar, but it has a bewildering varieties of meanings, and I am not sure if this is really about an old woman (that's a wild guess from entrenched fairy-tale plots). Is posa really a bag? Google suggests that in Modern Icelandic, there's a posa meaning "pose" (an obvious loan). dab (𒁳) 12:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

You were right on the money with "the old woman's bag", /rl/ > /ll/ is a common change. Posi is the nominative form. Pósa is indeed a recent loanword. Posi is also a new coinage for "Point of sale device". Haukur 12:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

of course, I see. I didn't pay attention to the syntax just now. I think I have more or less understood the text now, thanks again. dab (𒁳) 12:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hin, in, etc.

Hi Haukur. I wonder if you could tell me which form is "normalized" in Old Norse spelling. Logically hin should be the original and most "correct" form since it still exists in some expressions in modern Swedish, such as hin håle, the evil one. However, when looking at the names of some poems in the poetic edda, it seems to vary between hin and in. Which one should we use?--Berig 07:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

It's tricky. in, or en which is also frequently used in normalized texts, seems to be older but hin is clearly also quite old. Different editors have different tastes when it comes to normalizing. I think in is probably most common in normalizations of 13th century Icelandic texts. Haukur 20:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! BTW, you might be interested in/have opinions about my last contribution to List of names of Odin.--Berig 20:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

"Since she kindly mentions us"

Really? :) What does she say? Haukur 20:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

She gives a list of websites in the bibliography and she eventually adds:

and of course, the entry in Misplaced Pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Norse_mythology

But the websites section begins with "I cannot vouch for the content's accuracy or political correctness"...

Sigo 22:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Axelsson

He's notable and the article makes that pretty clear: whew, thanks for the sanity check!

I think I'll pause now, I've been doing this the expensive way, via modem (and a mounting phone bill).

No need to reply, but if you'd particularly like to do so, please do so here. I hate pingpong discussions. -- Hoary 00:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Not much more to say, really. Kudos on your work on the article. And, yes, the guys is fairly well known - and from what I gather from you, not just over here. Haukur 00:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I heard of him via a rave review in one of the message forums of photo.net. Then I looked him up, liked what I saw, sent email to edda.is, and bought the book. (Previously I'd never received so much as a postcard from Iceland, so it's arrival was an exciting event.) Just one thing, though, if I could trouble you for five more minutes. What's the nature of this book? Not knowing any Icelandic, I wonder if it might have text by Ólafsson and photos by Axelsson and others, or have photos by Ólafsson and essays by Axelsson and others, or something entirely different. (For that matter, a translation of the title -- not to replace the Icelandic within the article, of course, but just to supplement/gloss it -- would be of interest as well.) Many thanks. Hoary 01:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the text is by Guðmundur Páll and the photos are by Friðþjófur, Jóhann and Ragnar. The title is hard to translate; something like "Through the vastness near Snæfell" (the second Snæfell on that disambiguation page). The book documents an area going under water because of the Kárahnjúkar Hydropower Project. I don't know exactly how picture-heavy the book is - some sort of photographic essay, I guess. Haukur 01:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll attend to that a couple of hours from now. (In the meantime, I really must wash, shave, etc etc.) -- Hoary 01:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild

On the contrary, I quite appreciate the input. I intend to make the changes you recommend eventually, regardless of what happens on FAC. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Occupation of Iceland

Concerning: "You seem to have taken text from http://stonebooks.com/history/iceland.shtml verbatim and put it into the Occupation of Iceland article. This would seem to be a copyright violation. Unless you can explain it some other way I will have to delete the article. Haukur 19:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)," please feel free to delete away. I could spend some time on the subject, find some alternative sources, and re-write it. But I just saw an "open link" and filled it. I probably should have left it alone. The only thing that intrigued me about the whole subject was what the "occupation of Iceland" was called. Most sources appear to agree that the "invasion" was Operation Fork. But the "occupation" is identified in Misplaced Pages as Operation Alabaster and Operation White Falcon. Neither name appears to be supported. I will leave this subject to you and I wish you well. Mkpumphrey 14:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Genitive case in Old Norse names

Can you help me out with this? I understand that the rules are not as simple as I once thought. My current understanding is:

• Standard is to add "s" - Olaf becomes Olafs
• When the name ends in n, d, or r - add "ar" - thus Ozur becomes Ozurar, or Gunnhild becomes Gunnhildar
• When the name ends in i, the i is dropped and an "a" added - Tryggvi becomes Tryggva
• when the name ends in a, the a is dropped and a "u" added - Sturla becomes Sturlu

Am I way off-base? Are there additional rules I don't know about? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You're on the right track but it's not quite so simple. I think the i > a and a > u rules are about foolproof (noting that the u-ending also triggers u mutation; e.g. "Þorgils Hölluson" (son of Halla)) but the others are not. Here are some examples, most but not all of which fit your rules:

• Baldr - Baldrs
• Óláfr - Óláfs
• Eiríkr - Eiríks
• Kári - Kára
• Þórðr - Þórðar
• Hjörtr - Hjartar (the vowel change has to do with "breaking" and u-mutation)
• Hámundr - Hámundar
• Ögmundr - Ögmundar
• Haukr - Hauks
• Lóðurr - Lóðurs
• Özurr - Özurar
• Hákon - Hákonar

Feminine names that don't end in 'a' typically take an 'ar' ending; Gunnhildarsynir, Eilífr Guðrúnarson (son of Guðrún). Some names even have two genitives in use, we have e.g. Jón Trausti Sigurðarson and Jón Sigurðsson. Haukur 15:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

My head is spinning a bit. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes you can check the dictionary. For example this page gives the genitive of Björg, Björk and Björn: Haukur 15:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Russia

Please note that the person that added all those tags was also working on fixing all the tags. Danny did more then 80 citations. I'm sure he tagged some stuff wrongly, but don't remove all of them, remove just the ones that are badly tagged. (This article had only 4 inline citations as of a week ago) —— Eagle101 18:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It's unreadable like this. If someone is working on adding citations for every one of those tags and wants a copy of the article with them in then the best place to do that would be in a copy of the article in user space. Haukur 18:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

I've just unprotected this article. I never received any response from med com, so they can't be too concerned. - auburnpilot talk 02:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for being so thorough in following this up. I hope we can get some useful editing done now. Haukur 02:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

We don't capitalize headers, I think

No we don't! Thanks! Stephen Kirrage 17:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Baden-Powell photo

I noticed you changed the copyright info of the Baden-Powell image that's on the front page. I agreed with your assessment and nominated it for deletion on the Wikimedia Commons, in case you would be interested in participating in the discussion. --Tom (talk - email) 19:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Relevency

"If the website or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source for the article, and citing it." InternetHero 18:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes but "using it as a source for the article, and citing it" is not the same as copying text from it. Have you been doing stuff like this on many articles? If so, then we need to clean it up elsewhere too. Haukur 19:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought you aren't supposed to put your opinion on matters. All the same, I shall clean them up myself. InternetHero 19:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Advice about when a disambiguation tag may be warranted

Hi Haukur, I am in a disagreement with a new user about when a disambiguation tag may be useful. Pershaps, you have an opinion in the issue.--Berig 17:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

That street in Berlin

Really, Haukur, I see you have been keeping bad company; start a strightforward move request. What with all the moves Stremonitis has been doing, it may get consensus. If so, so be it; if not, so what? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't care where the street is. I do care that admins don't force their will on other editors. Haukur 22:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. In this case, however, it's put a dispute between two groups of editors (and I'm part of one) in a condition where it has to be settled by discussion, instead of by move-war. That's not all bad. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't really believe in protection as a mean of bringing about a productive discussion. It usually leaves one side bitter and frustrated and the other with no incentive to negotiate. Haukur 23:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Alll they need do is file at WP:RM, as they should have done to begin with. I'll argue for my view; but that's only fair. If the move protection is used to interfere with closing (even by Stremonitis, who has a PoV here), then I'll join you in complaining. And in this case, their advantage is all the other streets in Berlin, which I see Stremonitis has been moving. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I've said my piece, I've nothing more to add. The representation of the name of a single article is not a big deal, to be sure, but I do have strong feelings on what is and what isn't appropriate use of admin tools. Haukur 01:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

And I'm not sure what more I can say. I agree in principle, and would prefer: that the page were unprotected and ProhibitOnions would leave it alone until there was consensus to move it; but I don't think that's going to happen. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Thank you for your support in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Misplaced Pages project, and I'll try again in a few months! If you ever have any questions or suggestions for me, please don't hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, --Elonka 02:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:PD-EU-no author disclosure‎

Thank you-- excellent edit to Template:PD-EU-no author disclosure‎. I'm glad JoshuaZ unlocked it for now, and glad you came along. ... Kenosis 17:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC) ... Oh, I now see you're a sysop. Fantastic. ... Kenosis 17:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for this template and I expect to find images which I will want to upload under it. I just hope we can establish acceptable standards for its use. Haukur 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

"fan" translations

I inquired from another wiki admin w/ no luck so I thought I would aks someone's else: I'm sorry to complain like this and I have never really had to compain on wiki, but many Silent Hill fans are using a fan translation of a Official book only published in Japan for citations. The site is seen here where they get the translation from. Right now I am having problems w/ it on the Alessa Gillespie page, which uses a majority of sources are from this fan source. They also do not question the translation what so ever and are not citing the foreign-language original. If they cited the original, maybe I wouldn't have such a problem.

One user posted to justify this:"Unofficial translations or not, the material itself remains official. If the material contains important information on production/character conception, etc., it should be included. If we merely dismiss these translations as "unofficial," then we dismiss all information that comes originally from a language other than English; in that way, for example, we would also be dismissing the French interviews with Christophe Gans purely based on the fact that they were assessed by a third-party and translated into English, then placed as a reference within an article (translations are bound to not be 100% perfect, even when translated by creators of the series themselves due to the differences among languages, but judging a given translation by simply calling it "unofficial" and holding that against it breaks Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view). Furthermore, without production information, the article will never make it beyond B-class (eg. even w/ the references to the Translated Memories translations, the Silent Hill film page has gained GA+ status). The out-of-universe information is vital to separating fact from fiction in a fictional universe and in the context of writing an encylopedia article (see Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)). As WikiProject Video Game's featured articles (see Category:WikiProject Video games/Featured articles) demonstrate, framing points such as how the franchise has done internationally in terms of sales and the creation and development behind a character are all essential to making a good article."

But this is making me question wikipedia's reliability, as we are supposed to be an encyclopedia. Is this wrong? Or is there another way to solve this?

Xuchilbara 02:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the issues. Non-English sources are certainly all right. When we want to quote a non-English text we look for a published translation. If there is no published translation we can translate ourselves but in those cases we should give the original text as well, perhaps in a footnote, so others can check the reliability of our translation. Haukur 12:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

European Union

RE Well, technically it's the European Economic Area. Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein also have to implement EU directives on copyright. Haukur 18:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC) :

Sure, I'm OK with whatever particular wording that is appropriate to describe the additional nations that've signed onto the EU directives. I understand Finland is hedging on it due to the free-speech/fair-dealing issues. Anyway, there are multiple wikiipedians involved-- whatever is chosen will, I hope, turn out to reasonably express it so it's both simple and accurate. .... Kenosis 18:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Iceland

That's nice and all. Now you can go read what I posted on his page, because it applies to you as well. Charles 19:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Haukurth, the relevant discussion in on Talk:Pretender, but this is turning into a perpetuum mobile. Valentinian 08:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Controlled Demolition

Sorry, I made an effort to add a comment in reverting the anon, and I accidentally deleted your edit, as well. I probably should have just used the rollback button. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 12:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem - happens all the time. Haukur 12:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

reagan

Hi Haukurth, nice to meet you. As I said, I agree with your statements.. but I've made major improvements (in my opinion! :-) ) to the disarray of the econ section, plus Sandy and I removed several of the offending bits of trivia at the end of the article. Aside from your comments about the images, are you feeling more likely to Support? Thanks! Ling.Nut 19:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess it was more involved than fixing one sentence, huh? Much better now, and thanks for raising the issue! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both for your improvements :) Haukur 20:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/House of Munsö

thought you might be interested Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Jenny Nyström

Hi Haukur, and thanks for your message. The picture was published in a book in 1895, and so it should be pd just like the pictures by Jenny Nyström in Sanders Edda.--Berig 19:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Great! There's no problem, then. Did you scan it in from that book or did you get it from somewhere else? Haukur 19:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Haukur :).--Berig 18:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Wilhelmstrasse

Shall I start finding English quotations for this common usage? Or will you concede that this is well-known? Or have I been mistaken in believing you capable of treating naming disputes in good faith? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that in the context of English sources discussing this street the spelling you advocate isn't used more often than not. What I mean is that there is no "commonly used English name" in the sense I read Use English which gives examples such as Venice and Christopher Columbus, names the average person is familiar with. This is the way I've interpreted UE for a long time - thus I don't argue for moving Thor to Þórr because the average person is familiar with Thor but for more obscure characters I favor avoiding anglicizations.

You have a perfectly reasonable argument for wanting the move, even if I think the argument for not doing it is stronger. Haukur 22:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Please read the examples I cite; the Wilhelmstrasse may be somewhat more obscure than Christopher Columbus to the man in the street; but so are almost all our articles. And if the terrain is against me, it is because of dishonest German nationalists; please don't litter it with specious arguments. Wilhelmstrasse is no threat to Þ, really it isn't. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think dishonesty has anything to do with it and I wouldn't exactly call it nationalism either, though that's a bit closer. Yes, almost all our articles are more obscure than Christopher Columbus and consistently with that I do think that most of them don't need anglicization. I think you've marshalled a well-researched and reasonable argument for your preferred form. It's quite possible that you'll convince enough people to effect a move and if you do I'll congratulate you. I still honestly feel the other argument is stronger. Haukur 22:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I thank you for responding like a reasonable man, and invite you to look at pschemp's arguments in Talk:Voßstraße, where he consistently misstates the evidence. We have nationalists of all flavors on Misplaced Pages; and they share, even when bitter enemies, an infinite collective self-pity and a willingness to do anything for the Sacred National Cause. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea what political ideologies pschemp adheres to. I do think he was mean to Elonka for no reason on that talk page. I'm not sure what in particular you want to draw my attention to (it's a long discussion!). He seems to have a similar interpretation of WP:UE as I do. Unschool argues that it's a tortured literal reading that goes against the original intent of the policy. I think that view is not entirely without merit but it ignores the fact that the WP:UE wording has stayed consistent for so long - I think precisely because it allows some flexibility in interpretation. Haukur 22:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

If you're referring to your request to move the page back pending the result of the discussion I think that was a reasonable procedural suggestion and that pschemp's opposition to it was not entirely convincing. Haukur 22:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

No; to his treatment of the google evidence. Www.google.com gave 81,000 hits for both spellings (the same 81,000 hits, just like Wilhelmstrasse; google doesn't distinguish). Scholar.google.com gave 200 hits for both spellings, again the same 200 hits. Both sets are mixed bags; I think it possible to analyze the 200 Google Scholar hits and see predominance. (I would not be charging intellectual dishonesty if someone disagreed with me, however.) Pschemp interpreted this evidence as 81,000 for Voßstraße and 200 for Vossstrasse, despite being corrected several times. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

He does seem to have misunderstood the number at least at one point but I'm really not inclined to spend a lot of time on a meta-analysis of one editor's comments in a discussion some weeks ago. Haukur 23:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't ask you to; but this is what I meant by dishonesty. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

All right, I see what you mean. Personally I hold to Napoleon's (commonly known name, hence not "Napoléon") idea about assuming stupidity (or just plain old misunderstanding) rather than malice. Haukur 00:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan FAC

Hi there. The picture problem has been fixed, and the not-correctly liscensed photo was removed and replaced with a correctly lisenced photo. Would you consider striking your opposition here? Thanks for your help with the article! Best, Happyme22 03:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Kindness?

You are a kind person? I single-handedly rewrote the article of Freyja and corrected numerous things in Norse Mythology articles. Please gimme one or two barnstars for my contribution =| 222.252.229.140 07:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bjorn Gunnlaugsson.jpg

Thanks a lot! Remains the question of when the engraver (named H. C. Olsen) died, and what historic copyright terms Iceland had, and whether or not the extension to 70 years had any effect on works already PD. See e.g. Copyright law of Switzerland: 50 years until 1993, then non-retroactive extension to 70 years → works of authors who died 1942 or earlier are PD in Switzerland. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar had happened in Iceland. Lupo 08:42, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The extension to 70 years was definitely retroactive so if the engraver died in 1938 or later the engraving could still be under copyright. It's certainly possible that he lived 55 more years after making the engraving, though the odds would be rather against it. Perhaps the PD-Old tag was a bit too cavalier, an engraving made from a drawing/painting may very well qualify as a new artwork under article 5. Compare an earlier comment of mine. Haukur 09:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes of course, engravings of a painting and the like are derivative works. There was even a case in the U.S. that explicitly held that the choice of how to prepare the engraving/etching (translation of colors and shades into specific line or dot patterns for brighter or darker regions) was artistic in its own right and gives rise to a new copyright on the engraving. Unfortunately, I cannot find the reference right now. Well, we'll leave it here at en-WP until we find out who this H.C. Olsen was. (Though the chances for that are probably minuscule, with such a common name!) Lupo 09:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Also applies to lithography and photolithography. See Circular 14. Lupo 09:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and could you please explain to me what (if any) the connection between Gunnlaugsson and Jens Sigurðsson is? (Other than that he also taught at the same school.) I can't make sense of this genealogy. Lupo 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Jens Sigurðsson's wife, Ólöf Björnsdóttir, was the daughter of Björn Gunnlaugsson and Ragnheiður Bjarnadóttir. Haukur 09:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Lupo 09:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Good link to Menntaskólinn í Reykjavík. But what is "Lærði skólinn" (Schola Docta)?? The translation I've seen is "Learned School" (in the Bjarnadóttir reference at BG). And there are even two redirects to it using "learned school". Lupo 13:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Lærði skólinn is the same thing and it does mean "learned school". 13:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

There's something wrong with the list of rectors. 1851 - 1867 goes to a person born in 1920: Bjarni Jónsson. And how come that uses the same image (albeit smaller) as we do? Lupo 13:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Bjarni is a common name and Jón is a very common name so it's not surprising. Nor are the copyvio images in the article. As we know the status of our "free" image archive is poor indeed while people spend most of the time fighting over the minutiae of the fair use policies. Haukur 14:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, archive.org says the image appeared at their site somewhen between February and December 2006. It was uploaded here in September 2006, so it's quite possible that they copied from us. Or that the uploader was a student or teacher at that school. According to the uploader's first attempt, the picture was taken on Aug 2, 2005. I also have found only small versions of the image at the school website. Lupo 14:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

All right, fair enough. Haukur 14:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It's my old school, by the way. Here I am outside it, embracing the girl who is now my wife: Sneaky photographers! Haukur 14:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Really? I didn't know there were Paparazzi in Iceland! :-) Lupo 15:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Still got problems. Benedikz writes that BG became in 1851 "chief assistant (Yfirkennari)"—to the rector, I suppose. Kaalund, however, writes "Overlærer", which I had translated as "headmaster". (In German, Oberlehrer.) So what precisely is an Yfirkennari? Lupo 15:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yfirkennari and Overlærer are Icelandic and Danish words for the same thing. I suppose Oberlehrer would be a literal translation of the word but it may not have the same connotations. I should think "head teacher" but I don't know. This title was not used in my day - we had 'rektor' (headmaster) and 'konrektor' (his second in command). Haukur 15:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Judging from these examples I'd say 'yfirkennari' was the second most prestigious position, after 'rektor'. Haukur 15:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

"að Sveinbjörn yrði rektor, H. Scheving yfirkennari B. Gunnlaugsson fyrsti undirkennari."

So, at some point Sveinbjörn Egilsson was the rector, Hallgrímur Scheving was the "over-teacher" and Björn Gunnlaugsson was the "first under-teacher". Haukur 16:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, name changes made. Also added a couple more publications under "Further reading" (two from the 1990s, in Icelandic). I didn't add the link to Björn's error correction note to the external links as I couldn't figure out where it had appeared. Would you do it? Anyway, please do edit the article when you discover new stuff or want to fix errors or change naming conventions or whatever. You telling me and I doing it is an awkward way to proceed. Ok? Lupo 20:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The 1990s stuff look really interesting. I think I'll try to look them up and see if he did indeed meet Gauss. Oh, and sorry for making you do all the work - I'll try to be a less lazy collaborator ;) Haukur 20:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, since we've by now moved to Icelandic sources only that I couldn't read even if I somehow managed to get them, I fear I cannot help much more with this article. Re "stoneprinted": what's that supposed to mean? A stone relief on some house somewhere, maybe a university building, or the place where he lived 1817-22? Oh, and BTW, I have implicitly assumed that you did already have Benedikz' paper. If not, I could e-mail it. Lupo 20:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, you've shown quite some resilience in gleaning information from sources you can't read :) I don't know what "steinprentuð" means, presumably they mean that some sort of engraving was made. I don't have the paper and I would be happy to have it! Haukur 20:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, it means "lithograph". Live and learn. Haukur 20:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You've Got Mail. (SCNR) I can understand a word here or there (after all, it's a Germanic language), but that's it. About the same as with Danish. I just have to try to speak it out loud, then suddenly I can detect enough similarities to make educated guesses. It's not really "reading". And to know the context helps, too. Lupo 21:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the obituary is signed "P.M." Could that be Páll Melsteð? Lupo 21:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That was my guess as well. I strongly suspect so. Haukur 21:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

"Lithograph"... lithographed in Copenhagen! And "Olsen" is a Danish name, I think, not particularly Icelandic. If so, the image is not an engraving but a lithograph, and we'd know that this precise image had already been published before 1876. It's getting more and more unlikely that this Olsen died less than 70 years ago... Lupo 21:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's another lithograph of an engraving by H.C. Olsen. I've sent them an e-mail asking for details on the man. Lupo 07:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S.: In retrospect, it's kind of obvious that "steinprentuð" means "lithographed". In Danish, "lithography" is "litografi" or, ta-daa, "stentryk". In German, the literal translation of "Lithografie" would be "Steindruck"... ("drucken" = "to print"). Lupo 07:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Say, did you get the e-mail with Benedikz paper? Lupo 06:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Woo-hoo! Got him! (On my own...) "H. C. Olsen" is Hans Christian Olsen, 1845 – 1909. Yeah! Lupo 09:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that's amazing! :D I'm very busy today (or at least for the next few hours) but I may be able to work on the article during the weekend. I did get the BB-paper, thank you! Haukur 09:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

A howto

Psst! New. -- Hoary 10:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response

Thank you for stating your opinion in the Russians talk page. I really needed a different opinion from mine, because the more ideas there will be, the more alive and the discussion will be. Maybe it will be long and, well, one of those that make you made but the final concensus might be somthing that will stay for a long time. The current image is a concensus-reached one, but i thought, why not expanding? It's not like we remove someone from there. So again, thank you! M.V.E.i. 18:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:12_houses_of_heaven.jpg

What house type was used in making that chart? How did they calculate Mercury as being 2 signs from the Sun? IdLoveOne 18:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea! Haukur 19:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Grímur Thomsen

From this site: http://www.althingi.is/altext/thingm/1505200008.html -- Ciacchi 14:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Páll Melsteð

Noteable enough for WP? His sister? Lupo 14:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think he's quite notable. Here's an 1892 biography with a picture: Sunnanfari says that the picture was taken ("tekin", implying a photograph) in 1886 but doesn't name the photographer or mention who converted the photograph to a printable material. There's a tiny squiggle in the lower left corner but it doesn't tell me anything. Haukur 14:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Þóra was Páll's second wife. She is certainly notable as well, possibly more so. Haukur 14:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hans Peter Hansen... Lupo 19:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I would say the image in Illustreret Tidende is by Johann Georg Leander Pauli (1838 - 1928). See , and then and . Cheers, Lupo 11:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

But what does "R. af Db." mean? "Ridder af Dannebrog"? If so, when and why did he get that? Lupo 06:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it has to be Ridder af Dannebrog. Sunnanfari says he got a "riddarakross" in 1892, that has to be it. They don't really specify for what he got it. Haukur 08:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, got it from Ill. Tid.: But they don't really say what for he got it, either. Lupo 09:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Question: Pauli's woodcut is certainly based on some pre-existing other work, in this case probably a photo. Do we/should we care about that? Lupo 06:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been wondering the same thing. It also goes for other images. Take Image:Sveinbjörn Sveinbjörnsson.jpg. Did Hansen really personally see Sveinbjörn when the xylograph was made or was there an intermediary sketch or photograph? I don't know, my source doesn't say anything about the picture. Sometimes our information is quite complete, like in Image:Sigurdur breidfjord.jpg, but more often it is not. Yet the likelyhood that pictures like this are in the public domain seems overwhelming. Even if an author of an underlying work lived to 1938 there would still be the possibility that this was an anonymous work or that the underlying photograph was a 'simple photograph' or that there was an understanding that the rights to the photograph transferred to the xylographer. Then, of course, someone now living would actually have to be able to present proof of the provenance of the picture and of their ownership of the copyright. How big a fudge factor can we accept and how can we contain it? I think the fudge factor of a typical PD image around here is certainly too big. Many people go: "Oh, this is old - I'll put PD-Old on it". Take Image:SveinbjornSveinbjornsson.jpg. Haukur 08:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm interested in your opinion

Please see the messege with the blue background i wrote here. I would like to hear your opinion about it :-) It would be best if you could state your opinion there, but if you want you could write it here, whatever comfortable for you. M.V.E.i. 15:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Nationality discussion continues

As a compromise i wrote to Andropov Soviet in the nationality (though i still claim nationality is an ethnic group). Nevertheless, out of interest i would like to continue the discussion on the talk page. The case itself is closed, but if you want you can continue to take part in the discussion here just out of interest, sort of a free stage. M.V.E.i. 20:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

BG on Google

Seems to be improving slowly. For +"björn gunnlaugsson", en-WP is #2. (Yes, Google already has a 47k version of the en-WP article.) If I do the same from my localized Google version, de-WP is #2 (despite being stubby), and en-WP #13. For +"bjorn gunnlaugsson", en-WP is #9, also at my local Google. (So the mention of that spelling in the footnote actually did have an effect...) I wonder when one of our articles will be #1, displacing that wrong summary giving "May 25" as his birthday (in all searches, moreover!). Lupo 11:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for checking in at Freedom of panorama

Thanks, we need more international help there. Please note, though, that thus far the primary resource for that article is David Seiler's two pieces at www.fotorecht.de. It would be nice to broaden the sources beyond that of one German attorney and a number of other cites that do not mention "panorama" or the German legislation. As an admin/sysop, you will recognize this as OR. But, as of today, we have some sources other than the Commons at least, so that's a start. Thanks again. ... Kenosis 19:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't really have a problem with the article. It's certainly a common enough concept. It's true, though, that it doesn't seem to have a well-established name and that's a bit annoying. I'd be okay with a move to Panoramafreiheit. Haukur 20:01, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

ARRGHH HELP MEEE!!!

I used to argue with you on Gullveig's talk page, but I think you are a good person. This guy acused me as a vandal for no reason, and as I ask him who what reason he labeled my edits as "vandalism", he deleted my comments to cover it up. I think he's gonna eat me alive! \(x_X)/;

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AAllstarecho&diff=160670744&oldid=160670304

umm... can you create an account for me, dear admin? I like the name "YourMom", but they say you'll need to ask an admin to create an username like that (^_^)'

222.252.230.6 11:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm kind of taking a break from Misplaced Pages. Haukur 17:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Norwegian

So Norwegian is different from Old Norse because it's Danicized?70.74.35.53 07:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your cleanup tag

Could you explain what in the Skúli Þórsteinsson article you believe requires cleanup to meet Misplaced Pages's quality standards? Haukur 18:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Are some quotes from those books really all the information that we have on this guy? There isn't enough available information that we can draft an article that follows the standard, wikified biography, even briefly, with an intro, background, early life, later life, and legacy sections? Is enough known about his life to add an infobox to the article like most other bios have? Are there any public domain artistic impressions of the guy? If the answer to all these questions is a negative, then please feel free to remove the cleanup tag. In fact, you can irregardless remove the cleanup tag if you want to. By adding cleanup tags to articles it adds the article to a "cleanup needed" list that will sometimes attract interested editors who will come along and improve what was otherwise a forgotten article. But, it seems in this case that this article has someone that is actively participating in its development. Please keep up the good work! Cla68 20:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

• Are some quotes from those books really all the information that we have on this guy?
  • Yes, pretty much, these primary sources are all there is. The only thing that really could be added is more information on scholarly analysis of the six fragments of poetry attributed to the person.
• There isn't enough available information that we can draft an article that follows the standard, wikified biography, even briefly, with an intro, background, early life, later life, and legacy sections?
  • Do you feel the biography is in some way non-standard or unwikified? Could you be specific? I'd say there's definitely not enough information for sections on early life, later life etc.
• Is enough known about his life to add an infobox to the article like most other bios have?
  • I never use infoboxes for people so I don't really know what would be considered required information for one. Probably not, I suppose.
• Are there any public domain artistic impressions of the guy?
  • I don't think there are any artistic impressions of him whatsoever.
• By adding cleanup tags to articles it adds the article to a "cleanup needed" list that will sometimes attract interested editors who will come along and improve what was otherwise a forgotten article.
  • Well, it helps if you give any information at all on what you feel is wrong with the article. Your edit summary was simply "cleanup tag" which gave me no hint. In this case it seems that you felt the problem was that the article was too short or somehow non-standard. You've also rated the article on a quality scale. Your rating indicates that you think the article is "weak in many areas, and may lack a key element". Can you explain why you gave this rating? What areas do you feel it is weak in? What key element, if any, do you feel is missing?

I realize this article is not of much general interest. I wrote it mostly as a background article for Eiríkr Hákonarson and Battle of Svolder because the person in question was one of Eiríkr's court poets and one of the oldest historical sources on the Battle of Svolder. It could also be of interest to someone interested in Egill Skallagrímsson's descendants or in Old Norse poetry. But because very little is known about this 11th century person the article cannot possibly be long or divided into many sections or have a big infobox with a picture. Haukur 21:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hope I'm not butting in here, but I took the liberty of removing the clean-up tag. And while I do not want to "attack" user Cla68 in any way, I feel, in general, that it seems to be somewhat to easy to resort tagging of articles in wikipedia at the moment. I also sometimes wonder what the value of these "ratings" is supposed to be, when articles are rated by people with no apparent prior knowledge of the subjects they assess. --Barend 22:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I was considering removing the tag as well. I don't think that it was Cla68's intent, but too often frequent tagging appears to be with the intent of trolling, and it is too easy to add tags on articles. I think every tag should be motivated with a post on the talkpage, a procedure which I believe would encourage actually editing the articles instead.--Berig 15:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, guys. Haukur 20:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

the standard, wikified biography with an intro, background, early life, later life, and legacy sections? And let's not forget "Relationships" and "Controversy". Meanwhile, how about Skúli Þórsteinsson in popular culture: Does he run on PlayStation? -- Hoary 10:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

1. _____. An Icelandic-English Dictionary. Richard Cleasby and Guðbrandur Vigfússon, Eds. (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1874:95).