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| 3. The article is a ''']''' from ''']''', and from other articles such as ] and ] where much of the content has been lifted and then reshaped in the new article in a loaded manner. By taking a loose and fallacious definition of "holodomor denial" as its main premise, numerous individuals and organizations can then be labelled "holodomor deniers" because at some stage they denied or downplayed the severity of the famine. But if one takes the definition of "holodomor denial" as employed by the Ukrainian government (the main promoter of the term and the only apparent source of any reliability which employs it) as "denial that a ''genocide'' took place", then most of the content in the new article is untenable and there is virtually nothing left which is not already covered in the ] article itself or the other articles, but in a more NPOV way. ] (]) 07:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC) | 3. The article is a ''']''' from ''']''', and from other articles such as ] and ] where much of the content has been lifted and then reshaped in the new article in a loaded manner. By taking a loose and fallacious definition of "holodomor denial" as its main premise, numerous individuals and organizations can then be labelled "holodomor deniers" because at some stage they denied or downplayed the severity of the famine. But if one takes the definition of "holodomor denial" as employed by the Ukrainian government (the main promoter of the term and the only apparent source of any reliability which employs it) as "denial that a ''genocide'' took place", then most of the content in the new article is untenable and there is virtually nothing left which is not already covered in the ] article itself or the other articles, but in a more NPOV way. ] (]) 07:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Rename''' the article at least to something that is a lot less inherently POV as outlined in argument #1 by the nom. Definitely has the look of a POV fork about it, but it looks as if this belief may have seriously been held in the past, even if nobody seriously holds it now. A keep/delete opinion will be forthcoming. ] (]) 09:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC). | |||
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This article has multiple issues but I'll try to stick to the main ones.
1. Firstly, the article violates WP:NPOV/Article naming which states that article titles are expected to exhibit the highest degree of neutrality and that they should not suggest a viewpoint either "for" or "against" any given issue. The term "holodomor denial" is heavily loaded because (a) it draws a calculated parallel with Holocaust denial which is generally agreed to be a despicable phenomenon, and (b) because it is essentially an accusation of denialism - ie, a "pejorative term" which carries "the implication that the person or group denies scientific or historical truths".
2. The definition of "holodomor denial" given in the article - , ie "holodomor denial is stating that the...great famine of 1932-33 in Ukraine which...claimed millions of lives, never took place" is an original research thesis which has no apparent support from reliable sources. A google search reveals that the Ukrainian government passed a law in 2006 declaring the holodomor famine to be an act of genocide against the Ukrainian people, and that the government is currently drafting a law making "holodomor denial" a crime. The Ukrainian government appears to be the only reliable source utilizing the term. Thus, "holodomor denial" means genocide denial, ie denying the 1932-33 Ukrainian famine was an act of genocide - a definition at odds with the definition given in this article. This distinction is of great importance because almost all the content of the article is based on the false premise that "holodomor denial" simply means "denial of the famine". Once this premise is removed, virtually the entire content becomes untenable.
3. The article is a POV fork from Holodomor, and from other articles such as Walter Duranty and Louis Fischer where much of the content has been lifted and then reshaped in the new article in a loaded manner. By taking a loose and fallacious definition of "holodomor denial" as its main premise, numerous individuals and organizations can then be labelled "holodomor deniers" because at some stage they denied or downplayed the severity of the famine. But if one takes the definition of "holodomor denial" as employed by the Ukrainian government (the main promoter of the term and the only apparent source of any reliability which employs it) as "denial that a genocide took place", then most of the content in the new article is untenable and there is virtually nothing left which is not already covered in the Holodomor article itself or the other articles, but in a more NPOV way. Gatoclass (talk) 07:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- Rename the article at least to something that is a lot less inherently POV as outlined in argument #1 by the nom. Definitely has the look of a POV fork about it, but it looks as if this belief may have seriously been held in the past, even if nobody seriously holds it now. A keep/delete opinion will be forthcoming. Lankiveil (talk) 09:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC).