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User:Bank of Misplaced Pages

Apparently someone took it upon themselves to become the central bank for Wikimoney. I'm not sure if this is best understood as a joke that isn't funny, a math project gone wrong, or what. I blocked the account indefinitely, based on m:Role account, and the deliberately confusing Misplaced Pages:Username provisions of Misplaced Pages:Bans and blocks. Not sure if that was the right thing to do or not. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 5 July 2005 21:58 (UTC)

Works for me. Snowspinner July 5, 2005 21:59 (UTC)

And now we have a sock; apparently the perpetrator was wise enough not to attempt a logged-in edit and so trigger the autoblocker. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 5 July 2005 22:23 (UTC)

Um, I think this was kind of just a game people were playing, a system of rewards or something like that. It seems harmless, and maybe beneficial if it boosts morale. Everyking 5 July 2005 22:26 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I don't see why a separate account is needed for this sort of thing. Mackensen (talk) 5 July 2005 22:30 (UTC)

Did it really hurt anything though? It's sad that the first reaction to a bit of harmless nonsense is to block it.

Yes, I agree other than the m:Role account. I would suggest that whoever founded the bank move it to their userspace and run it there, under their real username or at least a sockpuppet created that only they use. Other "employees" (if it is a shared account) should not use the same account, but instead either create sockpuppets to work at the bank, or use their own accounts. You (Talk) July 5, 2005 22:33 (UTC)

Now there's a User:Bank of Misplaced Pages Employee5, just thought I'd point that out. You (Talk) July 5, 2005 22:34 (UTC)

I will leave it up to others to block this account if they see fit. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 5 July 2005 22:39 (UTC)

Hmm... As long as these employee accounts are each used by only a single person (being a newbie admin I have no experience in determining that, also I am not referring to a single person using multiple "bank employee" accounts) I feel that they should be allowed to operate since (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I don't see how they violate the sockpuppet policy, nor any other. You (Talk) July 5, 2005 22:43 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Username#Inappropriate usernames and Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy#Usernames. That username makes it look like it's somehow an "official" account. --cesarb 5 July 2005 23:22 (UTC)

I've blocked. Snowspinner July 5, 2005 23:25 (UTC)

Uh, it was a game of nomic from what I can tell. --SPUI (talk) 6 July 2005 00:01 (UTC)

As a block is clearly supported by policy in this case, The Uninvited was within his rights, but I can't help but feel that starting a conversation with the user first might have been, um, nicer. It has to be remembered that being blocked is not a nice feeling, many good editors have left the project over blocks where, in truth, they were acting in good faith. Not everyone is familiar with every Misplaced Pages policy, (especially those found on meta). Pointing out that he was commiting a blockable offense, and giving him some options, such as creating another account with a subpage, etc., would have worked just as well. func(talk) 6 July 2005 02:05 (UTC)

Point taken. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 6 July 2005 15:55 (UTC)

We are not acting neither in good nor in bad faith. We are a Bank , not a church. If you dont like our name you should say so one month before, when we choosed it. Coming after one month and a half, after all this job we have done, and claiming that our name or that our purpose is illegal according to YOUR rules, this is at least vulgar and hypocritical. Of course we know that you have both the knife and the melon, and you are using violence to succeed in your evil goals. This is the only reason we want to negotiate with you. We accept you to change our name from "Bank of Misplaced Pages" to "BoW Bank". Please, ask a administrator to do this change, whithout affecting our bank's accounts, files and transactions. Bank of Misplaced Pages Employee6 8 July 2005 08:53 (UTC)

The issue isn't your strange game so much as the role accounts being employed for it - please use your main accounts. Snowspinner July 8, 2005 11:48 (UTC)

My Main account was "Bank of Misplaced Pages"! Now my main account is "Bank of Misplaced Pages Employee7". I have no other account. Bank of Misplaced Pages Employee7 9 July 2005 08:06 (UTC)

I've blocked employee 6 as well in this same vein as employee 5 was blocked. Sjakkalle (Check!) 8 July 2005 08:58 (UTC)

Bank of Misplaced Pages Employee7 - (contribs) vandalised my user page and talk page. Hadal kindly rv'd them for me, and has such, blocked the account. <>Who?¿? 9 July 2005 09:11 (UTC)

Question since User:Bank of Misplaced Pages is indefinately blocked, can the user page be protected to alleviate vandalism? <>Who?¿? 9 July 2005 09:36 (UTC)

Well, if anyone was wondering what happened to User:Iasson, I guess you have your answer. --Calton | Talk 9 July 2005 15:17 (UTC)

There was never any evidence, other than remotely similar style of writing, that this was ever User:Iasson. The Bank of Misplaced Pages was quite harmless and I am both surprised and disappointed with the approach taken in banning this account. Bahn Mi 9 July 2005 16:58 (UTC)

I wish I could say it surprised me... Everyking 9 July 2005 17:14 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think Calton is jumping to an unwarranted conclusion. As well, we should have as a courtesy made an attempt to contact the account holder before blocking, since there wasn't any apparent vandalism or destruction going on.

That said, blocking the accounts as m:role accounts seems to be perfectly reasonable. The usernames are also a violation of policy—they imply that they operate under some sort of official sanction or imprimatur. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 9 July 2005 19:27 (UTC)

I think Calton is jumping to an unwarranted conclusion. Other than the fractured English, obscure self-made rules, raging about a Cabal, use of consecutively numbered/named sockpuppets, and logging in from a Greek IP, no, I guess there's little resemblance to Iasson. --Calton | Talk 14:27, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I am the legitimate owner of the account "Bank of Misplaced Pages". If you doubt about it, unblock "Bank of Misplaced Pages" account and I will confirm my claim, as long as I know the password. "Bank of Misplaced Pages" was my unique account, and now it is this one, I have no other. I want to negotiate with you. If you think that my name is sort of official sanction or imprimatur, I accept you to change my name to "BoW Bank" (also please transfer all transactions from my old account to the new one). I think this is a fair solution to the impramatur problem, although I still wonder why this problem occured now and not one month and a half ago, when I choosed this nickname. Bank of Misplaced Pages Employee11 23:38, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

So, wait, you never actually did anything but play Nomic on Misplaced Pages? Oh, well in that case, stop wasting our time. Snowspinner 16:25, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Our goal is not to play Nomic on Misplaced Pages! We are a Nomic Bank, and our goal is to convince wikipedians, without using any kind of direct ot indirect violence, that our coins have real value, they are credible and they can be used here as a medium of exchange. BoW Bank 21:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually let's not do that. I DO think we should have a wikinomic, maybe at wikicities? Just not here. :-) Don't forget to invite me! Kim Bruning 00:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikicities is not a place to send banned users. Angela. 07:17, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Due to the recent ban, we tried to move to wikicities. Unfortunately the wikicities admins are also possessed by the same kind of hate that the wikipedian admins have, they also have the same strange and false belief that we are someone else. Thats too bad. This is a message to all our trusted employees, and to all our customers. We are searching for another place to host our nomic bank. All propositions are welcome. BoW Bank 15:56, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Unblocked myself

When trying to edit Misplaced Pages, I found I had been blocked; apparently my IP address (User:129.176.151.6) had been engaging in repeated spamming and was appropriately blocked. (By the way, for any who were wondering, IP blocks do seem to block any registered user also using that IP address—so if you share an IP with a vandal, registering will not save you from being blocked.) Disconnecting and reconnecting (I just moved and am using dial-up) didn't help, so I e-mailed Jfdwolff and then unblocked the address. Just wanted to note it here for full disclosure. — Knowledge Seeker দ 7 July 2005 03:23 (UTC)

This confuses me. You say you're using dial-up, but the IP address resolves to "cache2-e0.mayo.edu". Looks like a proxy at the "Mayo Clinic College of Medicine" an indeed the spam-ish links being inserted linked to the Mayo Clinic, leading to the block.-- Netoholic @ 7 July 2005 03:31 (UTC)

I don't know about Knowledge Seeker, but my university provides dial-up connections to its students. - Mark 7 July 2005 05:03 (UTC)

I just logged on to the Internet again and found myself blocked again, this time apparently as User:129.176.151.7. Netoholic, indeed, I have dialed in through my employer, Mayo Clinic. It would appear that an earlier user, also dialed in through Mayo, inserted the large amount of spam, and I agree that the blocks were appropriate. I assure you that while I think Mayo's web site is an excellent resource (even before I applied here), I did not insert these links, nor do I believe I have ever added a link to any of Mayo's pages. I unblocked this account as well, if that's all right. If possible, I would prefer this section not be archived. — Knowledge Seeker দ 7 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)

I have blocked both IPs again for 10 hours to tidy up their unbelievable linkspamming. I wonder what else we can do to stop this. Can we write to the Mayo sysops? JFW | T@lk 7 July 2005 21:46 (UTC)

The spamming has happened again. I am going to start doing mass rollbacks of this linkspam. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:19, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

We're calling this "spamming", but I'm confused by that. In reviewing the updates, I find the following features:

1. The user is obviously not logged in and ignoring the concerns cited. This is clearly anti-social (possibly indicative of a bot, which would be annoying, I agree).
2. The links are all into a Mayo Clinic database of diseases and conditions and are linking like terms such as Actinic keratosis to Actinic keratosis.
3. The data in the database being referenced seems to be quite complete, and the links are likely to be a big help to those researching future updates to these (mostly) stub articles.

So... I'm wondering what we're gaining by referting and/or banning as a result of these changes. Yes, we would like these changes to be made in a more reasonable way by a registered user, but they are clearly a step above anything that could be refered to as "spam".

Would it be helpful if someone like myself went through and checked each of these links for validity and reverted them back by hand if and only if they pan out on a case-by-case basis? -Harmil 19:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

While you're right, the mayo clinic is a reputable organization, the pattern of editing is consistent with Misplaced Pages:Spam#External link spamming, which we discourage. Also, as the user has had more than a few false matches, and as he is totally unresponsive to being contacted, it is easier to revert his edits on sight and block the ip than check each link for relevance one-by-one. It is also possible that these edits are being made by an unauthorized Misplaced Pages:Bot, although I can't confirm that yet. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:06, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, I have blocked the two IPs for 24 hours, or until this issue is resolved. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:09, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

The anon IPs have also started to use extremely sneaky tactics to get around the mass reverts. Look at the recent edit history of Hypothermia. They used the edits from one IP to shield the linkspam from an auto-revert. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:24, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'm not taking any spammer's side here, but I do want to preserve any useful information. Thus, I've created a new personal project at User:Harmil/Mayo Cleanup Project, which I will use to track my progress as I slog through the 158 articles that that IP has touched, and determine which links have any value at all. I will NOT revert anything that would deface or reduce the quality of a WP page, but I feel that there might be some kernel of useful information here that we should preserve (and thus get something out this). I welcome any contribution or discussion on the talk page. -Harmil 21:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Against. This is rewarding the spammer. External links are no replacement for the information that can be covered in an article. The articles just need to be expanded, no more and no less. JFW | T@lk 21:40, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Block behaviour changes

See Misplaced Pages:New features

After a suggestion on wikien-l, Tim Starling has changed the behaviour of blocks: a blocked user can still edit their user pages. If the user starts filling the page with technically-challenging content, there's always the option to protect the page as well. Keep in mind when blocking - David Gerard 7 July 2005 22:10 (UTC)

Of course, protecting a talk page is not a thing we'd usually want to do... But look at this and this. What can I do, other than protecting the talk page itself? I think there should be a way to either turn off this feature selectively, or block the page selectively. I fail to see a case where the change isn't a turn for worse. --cesarb 9 July 2005 10:55 (UTC)

Not only that, but

• It seems to ignore the IP autoblocker, even if it was triggered by a different account
• It doesn't seem to trigger the IP autoblocker

What a brain-damaged misfeature. --cesarb 9 July 2005 11:04 (UTC)

I'm not going to defend it, I'll leave that to the people who promoted it on wikien-l and elsewhere. I'll disable it if that's the solution favoured by the community. -- Tim Starling July 9, 2005 11:59 (UTC)

I just don't understand the reason for the change, even after reading the mailing list thread. If a blocked user needs an outlet to complain about the block, they should email an admin, use the mailing list, or IRC even. With this feature, we also have to beware of removals of {{sockpuppet}}. -- Netoholic @ 9 July 2005 15:44 (UTC)

• I thought the feature only allows editing of the talk page which would not permit the removal of such notices. --Phil | Talk 12:24, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

I just thought of another problem. I (or someone else) will have to unprotect the user's talk page, by hand, when the block period finishes. --cesarb 9 July 2005 15:56 (UTC)

Only if the users abuse their talkpage. Most probably wont. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:01, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it depends on the user in question: vandals may well continue their vandalism on their talk page; revert warrriors will just complain on it. It does seem that this feature needs to be thought out a bit more, though it does have potential to be useful in some cases. --rbrwr 21:36, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Can blocked users create new user pages, like User:BadUser/page1, User:BadUser/page2, ..., User:BadUser/page∞? If so, I could see that also being problematic. JYolkowski // talk 20:27, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

No. -- Tim Starling 20:39, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

Leaving edit access to the user talk page encourages the blocked user to communicate openly. Many of the complaints that we see on IRC and wikien-l suggest that the user feels that they being victimised by a clique. In my opinion this feeling is likely to be mitigated by open communication. —Theo (Talk) 21:31, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea and well worth a trial. It makes much more sense any dialogue between a blocked user and admins on the user's talk page, where it is recorded and visible to all, rather than on the mailing list. And I don't think manually unprotecting protected talk pages at the end of a block will be a problem–frankly, if someone carries on in a fashion which requires their talk page to be protected, make the block permanent, I say. Also, for purely selfish reasons, I have no interest in 99% of the aggrieved trolls who complain about their blocks, and would rather see their whining on a talk page that I'm never going to read than flooding my mailbox. —Stormie 00:06, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I think it's worth a try. As Misplaced Pages continues to grow, this will help to stop WikiEN-l from turning into IDemandYouUnbanMeNow-l. - Mark 09:45, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

OH GOD YES PLEASE - David Gerard (another wikien-l admin) 11:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea myself, in terms of keeping a communication channel open. Particularly as we're having to block a lot of querulous rubbish from the blocked to keep the list readable. Concur with Stormie. If the feature is having problems, it would best be tweaked rather than switched off - David Gerard 11:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, my main objection to this misfeature is: it causes a talk page (and not any common talk page, a user talk page) to be protected, which makes harder for other people to add to it (while before only the blocked user was prevented to adding to it). Do you have any idea on how to prevent that situation? --cesarb 14:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

How about letting them edit a subpage, instead of their actual user talk page? Say, Special:Mytalk/Unblock me please. -- Tim Starling 16:29, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I think it's a good feature myself -- one particular advantage is that the wiki page history preserves evidence of behaviour, good or bad. I just see one problem with it as far as an "open means of communication": there's no guarantee that anyone will see the user's edits!

I often watch the page of someone I'm warning with {{test}} etc, but not always, and it's not required; and a new user is not likely to be on anyone else's watchlist. You might end up with people repeatedly editing their page (with or without "LOOK AT ME" edit summaries) just to bump it up on Recent Changes to try to get some attention. Perhaps if the user's talk page were automatically added to the blocking admin's watchlist? Or some other kind of public log for other admins to follow up on? We know most of the responses are going to be useless, tiresome and vicious ranting, but if we're going to allow them to complain at all they shouldn't be sent off to an empty room to do so. — Catherine\ 20:48, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

• Perhaps we could have a special page that shows changes to talk pages of currently blocked users. Bovlb 14:43:19, 2005-07-12 (UTC)

I'd rather the page stay at their normal talk page rather than an "Unblock me please" page. The Unblock me please page will be harder to find, less likely to be watched, and implies that requesting an unblock is the only communication a blocked user is allowed, when there might be other messages they want to put on that page which don't say "Unblock me please". Angela. 20:40, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Presumably if Tim's other feature, the block-from-specific-page, comes online, this would allow the user to be blocked from even the talk page for a short time (say ½ hour) whilst they calm down. Obviously if this fails to bring them to their senses they can be sanctioned more permanently. --Phil | Talk 12:24, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

This misfeature catchs another administrator off-guard. With this I can already count at least three instances where this has confused people, and zero instances where it helped (that I have seen). --cesarb 18:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

You're the only one complaining, and only about "Dr. Weasel". Since he's just fooling around here, I have no problem with locking his account AND user talk page.

Let's do a tally somewhere, to keep track of how many contributors support/oppose this new feature. Uncle Ed 16:54, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

Please weigh in at blocked users' talk page. Uncle Ed 16:59, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not keen on this feature, though I appreciate Ed had the right idea in asking for it, because it helps people to communicate and it keeps it off the mailing list. The downside is that we now have talk pages turning into obsessive diatribes against the blocking admin, or against the editors involved in the dispute that led to the block, not a good thing to be on the receiving end of. SlimVirgin 17:05, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

very suspicious

I'm not sure exactly what they're up to, but an anon has created a fake user page and inserted this user in WP:1000 (which I reverted). The "user" is user:SWD316. I don't know if this is just a garden variety sockpuppet or what. Seems like someone who deals with sockpuppets might want to take a look. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:48, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Glancing at some of these edits, this anon has been leaving messages on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling claiming that he made numerous edits on those articles. . But he always signs as "SWD316", even though we clearly know that this account has not been registered yet because the "user contributions" link does not appear on that page.

I am also concerned about his message here because he claims to have created List of every professional wrestler even though it was created by another anon IP that has not touched the User:SWD316 page yet. In any case, I don't feel it is appropriate for an anon IP to create a fake user page. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:14, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

• Update: It looks like that person finally registered... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:30, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Potential linkspam vandalism to Mario Bros/Nintendo related articles

Users of The Mushroom Kingdom forums and chatroom have now repeatedly stated on that page's vote for deletion an intent to vandalize Mario Bros and Nintendo-related articles with links to their forums in apparent retaliation for the impending vote to delete the page. Allegedly there is even a "prize" for the person who can commit the most vandalism until the end of the month. I recommend other administrators keep an eye out for this forum's links being randomly inserted into pages. --FCYTravis 04:56, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

• There should at least be {{vfd}} on the page then, I would think. The Vfd was created 9 July 2005, and there is no evidence of the tag on the page history. <>Who?¿? 08:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

The page The Mushroom Kingdom had a VfD tag on it until about 45 minutes ago, at which point it was redirected to Mushroom Kingdom and protected. --Carnildo 08:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Works for me :-) <>Who?¿? 08:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

The redirect was done, since once the article was created, it was VFD'ed the next minute. Both of these actions, not the redirect, was done by annons, possibly members of the site in question. Because of this, one person though the VFD process was being used to promote the website. That was why this action was taken. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 08:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

very suspicious 2

This may seem arbitrary, I noticed User:Mr._Delayer - (contribs) in the recent changes log, having several edits a minute. I took a look at some of the contribs, and the majority of them, seem to be (null edits). There were a few legitimate edits too. Just thought it was kind of weird, maybe worth a look by someone else. <>Who?¿? 10:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

• I think it was just to vote on Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Gay Nigger Association of America attempt 6, which I didn't realize was up on Vfd again. Evidentally to bypass the (discounted vote) portion. As of this edit, he had made no more edits, other than the vote on that Vfd. <>Who?¿? 11:44, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Expansion

Despite there still being an ongoing discussion about the matter, SimonP is unilaterally moving all expansion templates to article talk pages, even when they indicate a specific section that was intended to be expanded - thus losing this information. Could someone please act to prevent such action before consensus has been reached on the matter, as I feel it is quite abusive. ~~~~ 12:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I have been moving this template, and many others, to talk pages for months with little comment. Unfortunately I have been added to User:-Ril-/Conflicts, which means any edit I make needs to be reverted. -SimonP

I'm almost tempted to give these gives a 30 minute block following this - revert warring over dozens of articles. Discussions should be taking place at the new Misplaced Pages:Template locations but they are just continuing to revert war. violet/riga (t) 13:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Chutiya

User:Chutiya has an inappropriate name. Chutiya in Hindi is an offensive term, the same as cunt in English. I've posted a message on his talk. User:Nichalp/sg 13:01, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I've blocked him under {{UsernameBlock}}. User:Nichalp/sg 19:25, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Does the policy actually apply to foreign languages? I think the person should change the name, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to block over it. I guess it could depend on whether the person edits India-related articles. That would suggest he or she knows the meaning and is trying to offend someone. If not, it could plausibly mean something else also and it's just a coincidence. Everyking 19:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

And in fact the only edits made are to an India-related article, so I guess we can bet on it. Everyking 20:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

It should cover all languages, that's what I feel. User:Nichalp/sg 09:21, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

• Yeah, it should cover all languages. Misplaced Pages is an international effort, so foreign usernames can still be offensive to a significant number of people. Besides, if you know they're from India you can bet they know what it means and are trying to be offensive on purpose. - Mgm| 09:39, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Sanity Check / Request for comments: TDC

I would like to ask for your comments about the case of User:TDC; a long-time "borderline case", specialised in taunting and exasperating other users (with already two RFCs, Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/TDC and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/TDC-2), he has engaged in some sort of campaing of 3RR toying on Pablo Neruda.

I think that TDC has the potential of being a very good contributor; unfortunately, he spends most of his energy in making provocative and disturbing statements, insults other users, and globally act in bad faith. Since he is also very familiar with the letter of the rules, which he tends to use to better violate the spirit of them, I think that it is important to convince him that an actual good faith is indispensable.

I have warned him on the issue, a warning he took as a provocation to do more taunting; I therefore blocked him for two days. Upon his return, he immediately reverted Pablo Neruda twice, upon which I decided to further block him, for 4 days this time (see User_talk:TDC#Blocked).

Giving the rather severe nature of this retribution, I would like to specifically require the comment of other admins and make sure that this is in accordance to collegiality. Thank you in advance for your insights. Rama 16:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

WP:PE was created for that kind of situation; I guess you should also add a note there. --cesarb 17:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I am copying the above message there then. Would anyone interested reply on Misplaced Pages:Policy_enforcement_log#TDC ? Thank you very much ! Rama 17:40, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Block of User:Pwqn

I would like to request a review of the 1 month block of User:Pwqn. The user has a 6 month history of 1700+ apparently good faith edits, and was blocked as a sockpuppet. Furthermore, the admin who blocked this user (User:Jtdirl) appears to have done so consequent to a dispute over a page (Government of Australia) which the admin himself has edited extensively. (Jtdirl also appears to be party to many disputes on that article's talk page). I also notice that there has been no warning or explanation placed on the blocked user's talk page.

The block should be reviewed for several reasons:

• Administrator blocking in a dispute to which he/she is a party
• Controversial accusation of sockpuppetry against an active editor with a substantial history
• The harshness of a 1 month ban for at worst raising a question that some had considered settled.

--Tabor 01:09, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm a little concerned by this block, and I'd appreciate it if Jtdirl could clear it up. Pwqn (talk · contribs)–while being on the 'wrong' side of the Australian head-of-state debate–seems to have a substantial edit history (>1700 edits, with >1400 edits in article space; uniform history of contributions back to December 2004 on a wide range of topics).

Is there any evidence that Pwqn is a sock beyond sharing an opinion on Australian Constitutional law? I've left a note asking Jtdirl to clarify his reasoning. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 01:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to unblock Pwqn. As far as I can tell, he's only made three contributions to the Government of Australia article (two to the article, one to talk) and he seems to have been trying to take a compromise position: . In the absence of further information, I suspect that he inadvertently stumbled into this issue without realizing that there was a minefield present.

Unfortunately it's the wee hours of the morning in Ireland, so I haven't been able to get a reply from Jtdirl. If any admins think I've overstepped my bounds, or if there is any sign of sockpuppetry or revert warring from Pwqn, he can and should be reblocked. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I support unblocking. Frankly it's difficult for me to see this as less than an abuse of admin powers. Everyking 07:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I have sockchecking back. Since the block involves Skyring and Australian government edits, which are matters of AC interest, I can look. Pwqn ran Kangaroopedia as a sock. But neither appears to be Skyring. So Pwqn was in fact sockpuppeteering and fully deserves some sort of block for that, to contemplate his foolishness - David Gerard 18:59, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Reblocked for, (rolls dice) 4 days for disruptive use of a sockpuppet. Snowspinner 19:21, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Hey guys, one thing you may not be aware of is that Skyring travels widely, so other identities can easily be used from other locations in the knowledge that they cannot physically be traced to him. He did specifically threaten the option of using different IPs from different locations near his home, stating

Misplaced Pages allows anonymous efforts, so all I would have to do would be to hop on my bike, trundle down Constitution Avenue to Civic where there are any number of hotspots, and enjoy a cup of coffee while I fixed up his latest idiocies. A different IP address every day.

In addition he threatened

Nor will it stop me from finding some other editor(s) to present the same facts.

The facts as presented by User:Pwqn, aka User:Kangaroopedia, bore striking similarities with the claims made by Skyring. Users may not realise but Skyring's arguments on constitutional law were monumentally misinformed, as everyone on all the pages could confirm. He misquoted references, misrepresented sources, claimed documents said the exact opposite of what they said, and regarded statements by media commentators as more authoritative than statements in law and opinions of Attorneys-General, etc. Pwqn used all the same dodgy sources as Skyring. Either s/he had become the only person anywhere on wikipedia to read the talk pages and not view Skyring's contributions as certifiable rubbish (and many many went to that page and all concluded his claims were garbage), they were being pushed by Skyring, as he threatened, to "present the same facts", or it was in fact Skyring. Curiously, where a real user is banned they immediately throw a tantrum and email the person who banned them saying "why did you do this?", Pwqn didn't do so, but created a sockpuppet. That is not how normal banned users who are innocent react. Their reaction, no outcry, just the creation of a sockpuppet, is very hard to explain if they were just an innocent user wrongly banned.

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