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April 2008

You may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Bardcom. Tb (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Sympathetic and cynical. I have no interest in pointless pseudo-litigation of the make-believe variety. Misplaced Pages is supposed to be fun. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 21:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I said my piece and left. I have got too much done in the last few weeks to get caught up in this sort of thing. -- Secisek (talk) 21:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah

I love your comment about enjoying oneself on W. Too many in this 'community' see themselves as demi-gods, or perhaps even THE God. Cheers!!! Albanman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albanman (talk • contribs) 22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 23:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers?

Wassupwiththe__"Cheers!"? =D...Honestly, I really am curious. the_ed17 02:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

'cause its polite ... 'cause its friendly...reminds me and other editors that Misplaced Pages is not a life or death game. It's just fun. So...Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 03:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess I agree completely it's not life or death! But I also feel like I've been cheated when people suck the fun out by making it such. Tb (talk) 03:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I had my Wiki-happiness sucked out of me by a Wiki-dementor in Jan. I went on a month long break over Feb 'cause of it. Never again will I allow Misplaced Pages to become anything but a fun hobby. If you feel like some editor is sucking the fun out then just chant the mantra 'two million articles two million articles two million articles'. Suddenly, the spell is broken. You realize there are nooks and crannies everywhere. Articles free of Wiki-drama and Wiki-stress. That is why I say. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 03:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I agree with you. I followed your lead and stopped editing one of my favorite articles for the same reason. I enjoy learning new things and filling in the gaps in my knowledge. When it stops being enjoyable, I stop. I'm at an age and in a condition where I'm beyond competitiveness. I did that for a living and I don't need it anymore. FAs, GAs, etc., mean nothing to me. My own satisfaction is what counts now. It helps to have some cordial interaction with other editors without the game playing. Back to Cheers, I guess it's what was called a complimentary close in more formal times when people wrote real letters to each other that started with a salutation, etc. I prefer Best wishes, but it means the same thing. Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 03:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, 'complimentary close'...that was the phrase I was looking for. The opposite of a salutation. I used 'take care' for a long time. 'Cheers' is short and doesn't suggest seriousness. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 04:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

(Re: Clariosophic) =D That's why I work mainly in the Shannara universe. Once or twice last month I went to the featured article and almost completely rewrote their into's, but my edits were apparently good, so no one said anything......And now, Wassup, you've got me thinking about adding "Cheers" or something to MY signature! =) the_ed17 21:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Re Unitarians and Facundo

Thanks for that, Wassup! I'm kind of nibbling away at the copyedit, and commented that bit since, while I didn't want to remove it, I couldn't immediately think of a way to work it into the text without disrupting the flow. I was intending to return after thinking it over, but your solution is more elegant anyway... so cheers ;) EyeSerene 16:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Just trying to stop a conspiracy theory from starting. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... if I was that way inclined, it would make an interesting one. Shame April 1st has come and gone! EyeSerene 16:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup! Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of Comparison of church management software

I do not believe that this page qualifies under WP:CSD#G11, as from what I remember about this page it was not blatant enough to qualify. Furthmore most of the arguments in the "debate" seemed to center around Misplaced Pages:OTHERSTUFF or easily correctable issues WP:OR. I am therefore requesting that you undelete the article, and restart the afd. Thank you for you time. NanohaA'sYuri 01:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Try deletion review. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Living dinosaurs

I don't think the article Living dinosaurs qualified for a speedy delete. The WP:SPEEDY policy page says that the G1 criteria (which you cited) is for:

Patent nonsense and gibberish, an unsalvageably incoherent page with no meaningful content. This does not include: poor writing, partisan screeds, obscene remarks, vandalism, fictional material, material not in English, badly translated material, implausible theories, or hoaxes of any sort; some of these, however, may be deleted as vandalism in blatant cases.

I doubt that this article will survive AfD, but that's not a reason for a speedy delete. Can you please restore the article so that the AfD process can continue? Thanks. —BradV 02:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ooops! You beat me. I think it is possible that this could survive AFD. There have been entire books speculating about living dinosaurs. I'm sure the article needed lots of cleanup, buts that's not a reason for deletion. Zagalejo^^^ 02:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

You're right. This isn't an instance of WP:SNOW, it's an instance of WP:STEAM. —BradV 02:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Are you sure this article really counted as "patent nonsense"? Speculation about living dinosaurs is very common in cryptozoological circles and creationist circles, and it's possible to write about this subject in a detached, objective manner. Zagalejo^^^ 02:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Try deletion review. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

done. Zagalejo^^^ 02:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

And reported to ANI. —BradV 02:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Church management software deletion

I could support you when you deleted comparison of church management software as spam. However to delete the main church management software article as spam also is really, really a long stretch of my imagination! Unlike the comparison article, there were no specific products linked to, or even named, in the main article. As such it would appear that no products are being promoted at all. The page simply describes the functions common to a specific class of software, much like our wiki page. Please reconsider your deletion. Pegasus «C¦T» 05:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw a brochure. Speedy delete is appropriate. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 05:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

"I saw a brochure" - for what? "Cheers" - to a deletion that brings no cheer to anyone except yourself, perhaps. Pegasus «C¦T» 05:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The President

No longer needs the (novel) after it with the new title. It should just be El Señor Presidente. Yomangani 18:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Because it is non-English, I think it advisable to say it is a novel. Anyway, it has multiple redirects already including all variations upon the theme including El Señor Presidente and The President (novel). Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That seems strange reasoning. We don't normally explain articles in their titles, even if they aren't in English - La maja desnuda, Notre Dame de Paris, La Bête humaine, Le Père Goriot, ¿Por qué no te callas? etc. etc. I can't think who that would assist. Yomangani 18:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Um, people who don't speak Spanish. I sense that we are going to enter the downward death spiral of a name debate. I hate name debates :-) Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

Wassup, Wassup? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I know you've voiced concerns in the past about a particular suspected sockpuppet, but what do you think of this? I think I make a valid case. I wouldn't have got involved, but dude made it personal. Any suggestions, especially since you're an admin and all, would be much appreciated. Should this be brought to Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets? María (habla conmigo) 18:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it should be brought as a sockpuppet case. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 18:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Someone's already listed it at Checkuser (the original blocking admin!), so I guess we'll just see what happens? Phew. María (habla conmigo) 19:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I did it too! Oh well. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 19:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi wassaup you know me from helping out with MMM, anyway today Jbmurrays essay was vandalised by two users: User:Southern Beau and User:Virginia fried chicken, since one vandalised right after the other, I suspected them of being the same person and so in other to check that and also if they had vandalised other pages, I had a look at their edit histories which despite being quite small showed a curious similarity. So by now I was pretty sure they were the same person.

I openned the history of some of the pages they had edited and while navigating thruh the list of edits I saw a name that was quite familiar although I coulnt rember from where exactly: User:P.wormer and then it occured to me, I had seen that name over at citizendiums forums, he's a regular over there (although I dont participate there I read their forums occasionally) and a few days ago Murray made a post to their blog: ] and Wormer was one of the people who participated in the discussion.I checked other articles edited by both of the accounts I meantioned above and most of them were at some point edited by Wormer if not started by himself. By now I was really starting to suspect that all tree were the same person. If you read Wormers post at the blog you can see that hes a frustrated ex-wikipedian.

I belive he has been using those two accounts to insert subtle errors into articles he had worked in the past or authored himself. One exmaple of this is: Eckart conditions which was written by him, you can see by looking at the history that user:Southern Beau made an edit saying it was minor corrections but which changed the content of the article subtly. Now I'm not mathematician so I had no way to know if the edit was legit or not so I decided to check citizendium( I figured wormer would've copied his article overthere) and surprise surprise, the article was there also written by wormer, and the part that was changed by user:Southern Beau was there in its original form meaning that the change to the wp article was indeed vandalism. Here are some exemples that were edited by all three: and by two: . I think he did not like the post Murray made at the blog, saying that WP had higher standards than CZ and so he vandalised the essay. I wasn't sure on how to go about this so I decided to tell you being and admin and all. Can you investigate? (sorry for the long post) Acer (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy. I'll open up a check user request on this. Thanks for the detailed info. Note thought that not much can really be done. Blocking an account doesn't really do much. Malicious sockpuppets just create new accounts. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 00:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I've put in a check user request. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 00:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thx for looking into it. I found the coincidences abit striking to be just that... But the checkuser should clarify this Acer (talk) 01:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Re your RfA comment

Hi Wassup! I hope it's OK to respond here (I'll link to this reply from my RfA page). You cited my apparent lack of experience in AfD as the reason for your oppose, with only five deletion debates. If you check my contributions going back for 12 months or so, you'll find I was much more active over at AfD than I have been recently - the GA sweep and the FA-Team has monopolised my time since the end of last year. For example, this diff is a fair sample of both my AfD and anti-vandal contribs (and I could have picked plenty of others!). I hope this helps to address your concerns. All the best, EyeSerene 17:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)