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A fact from Peter Jones (missionary) appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 May 2008 (check views). A record of the entry may be seen at Misplaced Pages:Recent additions/2008/May. |
Mom
http://forsythkitchener.blogspot.com/2007_09_09_archive.html
Mary & Polly
Note that his sister Mary and his sister Polly are the same person. Don't forget this. WilyD 17:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Sources of interest
- Talks about his journal and maybe more (it's all kinds of long) WilyD
- On William Case, but need a stub on that for support and likely talks extensively about Jones
- His book on converting Ojibwa WilyD
- Guardianship under Captain Jim discussed at Smith, 68
- Dr. Peter Edmund Jones is in Smithsonian Photoraph 498-a-1 or 498-a-I ... find out about its publication/taker. WilyD 02:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Native American Authors and Their Communities, Jace Weaver, Wicazo Sa Review, Vol. 12, No. 1 (Spring, 1997), pp. 47-87, University of Minnesota Press, http://www.jstor.org/stable/1409163
Elizabeth Jones, birth & death date
- Random marriage proposal in 1829 on Smith 119, Marriage Request o' 1829 on Smith 122
http://digilib.bu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2144/661/jamesevans00maclrich.txt?sequence=1
Uncertain utility quotes
Anglican clergy among the Mohawks "have for a century past been in the habit of administering that holy ordinance to notorious drunkards, Sabbath breakers, and whoremongers" (1830)(Smith, 97) Roman Catholics - "they neglect to teach them the depravity of the human heart, and the necessity of coming to Christ alone for pardon and mercy: in this was they make the Indians ten times more the children of the devil than they were before." (1828)(Smith, 97)
Fields
Fields comes from a well-to-do family of Lambeth, father owned a candle factory. She saved the Newspaper telling of Weelington's defeat of Napolean from 22June1815 all her life - born 1804. (131) Attended boarding school in Peckham 8 years, studied landscape drawing under E. Bouquet, active in her church teaching sunday school, strongly influenced by her preachers Rowland Hill (132)
Wins over the father in ~month (138), but learns about A. Jones' 2 wifes after Peter Departs, reforbids union. Robert Alder, Methodist Missionary Superintendant has a little word (A/Jones repented, son isn't father), and by December Charlies Fields relents unhappily. 140
Jones had planned to return to England for wedding, but can't. Eliza comes to New York with Egerton instead - daddy unhappy, more arguments w/ Alder, Ryerson and Daughter - relents.
Marry in the home of Francis Hall, as is custom there. Fields thinks weird. Newspapers take attention, mostly against (142) Eliza's private, unhappy about this.
Echo Place
Three clicks northeast of Brantford (probably in Brantford now). WilyD 12:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Books!
http://books.google.ca/books?id=LKwFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA331&dq=Kahkewaquonaby
- JONES (P.) A Collection of Chippeway and English Hymns, for the use of the Native Indians. Translated by Peter Jones, Indian Missionary. To which are added a Few Hymns translated by the Rev. James Evans and George Henry. ... New-York: Lane and Tippett. 1847. 24mo, pp. vi, 289. BA. + New York. 1853. 24mo. 36589
- JONES. History of the Ojebway Indians ; with especial reference to their Conversion to Christianity. By Rev. Peter Jones, (Kahkewaquonaby) ... . With a brief Memoir of the Writer; and Introductory Notice by the Rev. G. Osborn, D.D. ... London: A. W. Bennett. 1861. Post 8vo, pp. vi, (2), 278. 16 Plates. B.
- Reissued without a date.
- JONES. Life and Journals of Peter Jones. Toronto. 1860. 12mo, pp. 424. 36591
- JONES. Ojebway Spelling Book, Translated. 1828. 36592
- JONES. Netum Ewh Oomahzenahegun owh Moses, Genesis aszhenekahdaig. Kahahnekahnootah moobeung owh kahkewaquonaby, ahneshenahba Makadawekoonahya. Toronto: Auxiliary Bible Society. 1835. 12mo. 36593
- The Book of Genesis in Chippewa, by Peter Jones. See also Ojebwa, and Vol. IV., No. 12832. Also: Additional Hymns, Translated a short time before his death. Brantford. 1861.
- Translates : Genesis; Matthew; John; Discipline into Ojibwe, Luke into Mohawk; http://www.jstor.org/stable/1409163?seq=8
Methodism review
I'm certainly no expert in Methodism; hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I will also review. I have the following questions and concerns:
- The "Conversion" section says "ones attended a camp-meeting of the Methodist Episcopal Church in Ancaster Township." The link goes to an article about a Methodist denomination in the United States. The Ancaster Township link goes to a location in Canada. This appears to be a discrepancy. What does the source say specifically? (We could have the wrong Misplaced Pages link, or the denomination article could be deficient - looking at Methodism#Canada the second is quite likely.)
- Err, my impression is that the early goings of Methodism in Canada were an extension of the American church. Doesn't say in the article, but I think Sacred Feathers makes mention of when a seperate church is founded in British North America, I think it's ~1825 ... I also suspect it's the second, but I'll try and find the relevent part in my sources. WilyD 15:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Exhorter should probably be an article; it is used often enough in Misplaced Pages. You use it in the "Conversion" section in quotes, to me indicating a word that you don't expect the reader to know the meaning of - yet you don't give the reader any meaning or a link. The Methodist Episcopal Church article gives some help. The term is also used in other denominations; I see Baptist and more modern groups.
- The "Conversion" section contains this link ] in the sentence "Reverend Alvin Torry set up a congregation centered around Jones and Chief Thomas Davis (Tehowagherengaraghkwen) composed entirely of Indian members." A congregational church has a particular form of organization and government - one not set up and run by a minister. This link appears dubious; especially if we are still referring to a Methodist Episcopal group, which would definitely not be congregational. The remainder of the article makes me quite certain that the link is wrong.
- Actually, is this wrong? It was set up, but not run by a minister - neither Thomas Davis nor Peter Jones were ministers at this point. The source just says a "congregation", but see congregation; no other obvious target exists. WilyD 12:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- The link (which does not exist) that you are looking for is to the meaning of the first bullet at congregation. A generic congregational church has a church goverment/denominational system (Congregationalist polity) in which each church is independent and autonomously runs its own affairs, there is no episcopate (bishops). The Congregational church link is a movement of congregational churches. It is the "Wesleyan politics" section that most clearly convinces me that you don't actually mean a congregational church in either the generic or specific sense; though the Methodist Episcopal history was a strong warning sign; the episcopacy and congregational church goverment are incompatible. In Canada, the methodist and congregational churches merged to form the United Church of Canada in 1925, which is a bit after Peter Jones had died. GRBerry 14:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, okay. I suppose I'll just delink it for now. WilyD 14:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- The link (which does not exist) that you are looking for is to the meaning of the first bullet at congregation. A generic congregational church has a church goverment/denominational system (Congregationalist polity) in which each church is independent and autonomously runs its own affairs, there is no episcopate (bishops). The Congregational church link is a movement of congregational churches. It is the "Wesleyan politics" section that most clearly convinces me that you don't actually mean a congregational church in either the generic or specific sense; though the Methodist Episcopal history was a strong warning sign; the episcopacy and congregational church goverment are incompatible. In Canada, the methodist and congregational churches merged to form the United Church of Canada in 1925, which is a bit after Peter Jones had died. GRBerry 14:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, is this wrong? It was set up, but not run by a minister - neither Thomas Davis nor Peter Jones were ministers at this point. The source just says a "congregation", but see congregation; no other obvious target exists. WilyD 12:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- The "Fractured Community" section contains a wiktionary link ]. There is no such wiktionary page. I'm not convinced this needs to be linked. GRBerry 15:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
- Err, this point, at least, is a typo. I've found wikt:proselytize which is not. Perhaps it's not needed, but it strikes me as a three dollar word, which might at least benefit from this. WilyD 15:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Context
Still need:
- Muncey Mission (redirected for now)
- William Case (missionary)
- George Ryerson
- Alvin Torry
- Matilda Jones
- Aborigines' Protection Society
- Saugeen tract
- Samuel Jarvis
- Echo Place (Shitty, needs paper book for writing)
Peer Review
Just calling attention to the Peer Review. WilyD 14:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
En dashes
Required for all date ranges: please see WP:DASH. Tony (talk) 09:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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