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| Thanks for your reply. I will be honest here and will probably implicate myself as having a COI but of course, it seems obvious to the people participating in the AfD that I do so I have nothing to hide. I have been a Misplaced Pages user but had to create a new ID to avoid Peter Max Lawrence's wrath at school. He has boasted about being on Misplaced Pages for some time now and I refrained from saying anything until he made an edit saying one of the professors at school said he was the "most relevant artist of is generation". I was surprised that she had said that, so I asked her if she did and she said no, and asked me to find out who would put such an absolute quote like that and was concerned that it was stated on Misplaced Pages. I did some research and strongly believed he was the only one who created and subsequently maintaining his own article, which I found to be strongly discouraged by the Misplaced Pages community. I also found more inaccuracies and decided to point them out too. | |||
| I agree things got out of control, mostly because of the sockpuppets (that I believe to be PML himself) that kept popping up trying to edit the article and demand to find out who I was. This is why I had to create a username because I did not want this brought on to my real identity in San Francisco. | |||
| I do not feel what I am doing is harrassment. What I am trying to do is clarify things. I am sorry if it seems that way, and would appreciate it if people like you to point out the things I've said that seem like harrassment. I am sure it's too late now for any redemption in the eyes of people on the AfD page, but I am merely trying to help this situation. As an artist myself, self-promotion can get very out of hand in the art world (mostly because it is so tough these days to get noticed) and feel that Misplaced Pages, the Internet, is a way that can be used, and misused, to get your name out there. | |||
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Peter Max Lawrence
Hi,
Thank you for pointing out the Saatchi gallery; it doesn't change my opinion on this at all, I'm afraid. I still believe that Michael's edits establish a very weak notability for this artist.
As for your ability to question other editors regarding their recommendations; you are, of course, able to do this but it can be seen as harrassment when you comment as regularly and a vehemently as you have been. Also, the fact that you are using a newly created account to solely press for deletion of this article does not help this and makes people doubt your motives: ie, are you attempting to assist in building an encyclopedia (as Michael is, for instance), or are you attempting to remove the article of someone you know as part of a grudge? That is, unfortunately, what it looks like to me. If you had constructively contributed to WP before or during your crusade, I would be inclined to forgive other actions. Perhaps you would like to consider doing that?
Thanks,
onebravemonkey 14:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear onebravemonkey,
Thanks for your reply. I will be honest here and will probably implicate myself as having a COI but of course, it seems obvious to the people participating in the AfD that I do so I have nothing to hide. I have been a Misplaced Pages user but had to create a new ID to avoid Peter Max Lawrence's wrath at school. He has boasted about being on Misplaced Pages for some time now and I refrained from saying anything until he made an edit saying one of the professors at school said he was the "most relevant artist of is generation". I was surprised that she had said that, so I asked her if she did and she said no, and asked me to find out who would put such an absolute quote like that and was concerned that it was stated on Misplaced Pages. I did some research and strongly believed he was the only one who created and subsequently maintaining his own article, which I found to be strongly discouraged by the Misplaced Pages community. I also found more inaccuracies and decided to point them out too.
I agree things got out of control, mostly because of the sockpuppets (that I believe to be PML himself) that kept popping up trying to edit the article and demand to find out who I was. This is why I had to create a username because I did not want this brought on to my real identity in San Francisco.
I do not feel what I am doing is harrassment. What I am trying to do is clarify things. I am sorry if it seems that way, and would appreciate it if people like you to point out the things I've said that seem like harrassment. I am sure it's too late now for any redemption in the eyes of people on the AfD page, but I am merely trying to help this situation. As an artist myself, self-promotion can get very out of hand in the art world (mostly because it is so tough these days to get noticed) and feel that Misplaced Pages, the Internet, is a way that can be used, and misused, to get your name out there.