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Free Blowjobs

Now that I have your attention, how are you? Beam 03:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Dammit I really got excited for a second ;). I'm fine as usual, although a bit busier than I used to be. You? BalkanFever 03:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm ok. I'm going to be focusing on getting Mahatma Gandhi properly named. Beam 03:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Have fun with that. Hopefully I can get time to improve bits of Kosovo. BalkanFever 08:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:More trolling

Hello, and thankyou for bringing this to my attention. Before I proceed with this, are you sure that this is the same person as someone I blocked before? Lradrama 19:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I thought I had come across this person before. The behavioural pattern is exactly the same, and a checkuser shows that this is a case of abusing multiple accounts. I have extended the range block - 6 months like the rest of them. Lradrama 10:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

That is rather interesting...is that saying that the IP can still edit when blocked? :S Lradrama 19:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

I apologize for deleting that comment, it was rude of me to take a liberty of doing so; it might start a precedent. It is too late and too long to explain the snake-->terrorist notion but I can sum up all Serbian derogatory terms, "secessionist-terrorists", "muslim terrorists", "albanian terrorists", "kla terrorists", "uck terrorsits" and anything else + terrorists. A few other terms are Siptar, Shitpar, siptarski terroristi, etc. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 06:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Careful, BalkanFever is a well known terrorist. He once, and I'm not joking, terrified me. It was terrible. Beam 19:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you viewing my every action? I was referring to the Sharr mountains? LOL, i wanted to see if anyone would notice. Thanks for you reverting everything. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 22:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Not your actions, I stalk BalkanFever. Beam 23:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia naming dispute discussion

User:Hellasforever has removed my section "Articles about Greek actions against Macedonia/Macedonians due to naming issue" in the discussion section of the Macedonia name issue. The section had many articles which should have been used in the Macedonia naming dispute article. Here are some of the articles:

Greek Paper shows Bush as Hitler and a Macedonian swastika (the same time the Greek swastika occurred - right before NATO)

Macedonians attacked in Greece

Another cowardly attack on Macedonians in Greece

Greek authorities continue to abuse ethnic Macedonians

Greece abuses Macedonians at the border, again

Greek MP asks for death penalty for Macedonians in Greece

Greek-Macedonian name dispute leads to ban on lamb meat

Macedonia Plane Barred from Greek Airspace

Macedonia to ask Greece for explanation on MAT

Greece bans financial transfers from, and to Macedonia

Greece outrages Macedonia with ban on presidential flight

UMD Taken Aback by Metropolitan Anthimos’ Threatening Statement (Top Greek bishop calls for war with Macedonia)

Another Greek metropolitan bishop states territorial claims for Macedonia

Greek media fumes over comments from MOC

Greece's comments of H.H. Stefan's statement in Rome intended for domestic political scene

Heated debate at the EU, Macedonian delegation not present

Protest letter sent to Nato over an incident

Either undo the edit User:Hellasforever did, or repost those, or read the articles and use them in the Macedonia naming dispute appropriately. Mactruth (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

To all stalkers

I've been without internet for a few days, and it won't be back until next week. Right now I'm using a public computer, and so I'm not logged in. Hope all goes well in the Balkans (and everywhere else). BalkanFever. 124.190.136.31 (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Oks, have a nice vacation :) --Laveol 12:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Take it easy. (1 down, 1,999,999 to go ;) jk) 3rdAlcove (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hehe thanks guys :). BalkanFever 11:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Uncivility

Ok, what was that about? "Probably cause you suck"? And why in the world did you need to say that? You might have only left it with a note - this is not a forum or something - why do you feel the need to add such things? --Laveol 10:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a joke, and I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway. BalkanFever 10:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

You're pretty sure?? Are you sure you're BalkanFever and not someone else? --Laveol 10:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm BalkanSickness. How did you know? btw continue the thing from FP's page here if you want BalkanFever 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure we've got anything else to say - I mean we're not linguists and we just need to cut the political stuff from the articles (both of the political craps) and that's it. Let's wait for Fut.Perf's opinion --Laveol 12:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and not falsify sources (I really, really, don't believe Schmeiger talks about Bulgarian). BTW the plural is crap (same goes for shit); it's not like Slavic :) BalkanFever 12:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Not true. Observe: "BalkanFever's intellect isn't worth two shits." See? Plural! Beam 12:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, yes, we have that, but one can't say "Beamathan should stop writing these shits", can they? BalkanFever 12:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

One could, but one would be an idiot to do so. So fine, as long as you admit I'm the man, we can agree. Agreed? Good. Beam 12:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, obviously. BalkanFever 07:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Y'know

I'd probably take 10 of youse guys over Dodona, any day. 3rdAlcove (talk) 11:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd take us too ;). Seriously, he sounds like he's 10. BalkanFever 11:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Thank you, BalkanFever. Just a quick question, is the Selski speech article intended as a joke? --Iobyo (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I probably should have asked PMK1. Either way, I plan to make a lot of changes to that article. --Iobyo (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

He's on holiday, but go ahead, be bold. BalkanFever 14:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

This is my attempt at a rewrite with what I believe to be a much better title. Should I suggest a merge on the talk page or just go ahead and redirect the Selski speech article? --Iobyo (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. Personally, I would suggest "Vernacular Macedonian" as the title, since it can be written as well (as with Makedonska Iskra). All you have to do is replace the content of Selski speech with your rewrite, and then I'll move the article. BalkanFever 16:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The term vernacular is a little too broad. There aren't really any standardized Macedonian dialects, so words like ојме will only ever appear in speech (ignoring stylistics and such). If that word is characteristic of speakers of a certain dialect and if that dialect were to be standardized and codified into a literary one, одиме would be prescribed. So, they're actually two different things and why I choose to use the title Spoken Macedonian. --Iobyo (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll ask an admin friend to merge the history now. BalkanFever 16:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Kobra

Why must you call me Kosovo2008? As far goat milk vs cow milk, I do have a serious answer but I think you two are joking around so I won't answer till I find out the tone of the discussion. I'm also looking to change my username from Kosova2008 ---> Ari d'Kosova, any thoughts? Ari d'Kosova (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re. Article merge

Hello BalkanFever. I have merged the articles you requested. Respective histories merged too. I'm fine by the way, hope you're doing well. :-) Best regards, Húsönd 00:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Standard Macedonian

It's a little complicated and your question deserves a detailed response so I'll get back to you soon. In my opinion, both articles should be kept though they do need a lot of work. For comparison, see Standard French and Standard Spanish. --Iobyo (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I've just noticed that I somehow copied the intro of Standard Macedonian from the Standard German article, so I'll need to fix that too. --Iobyo (talk) 03:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a similar case with the Macedonian language. Unfortunately, not much has been written about the spoken language even though we all speak of the разговорен јазик and книжевен јазик. --Iobyo (talk) 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you think we should use the term книжевен or литературен јазик? They are synonymous but the latter is a loanword (and also more frequently used). --Iobyo (talk) 08:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I think listing them both is much better too considering they're both widely used. It really comes down one's linguistic politics: книжевност (puristic) vs литература (loan). --Iobyo (talk) 09:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

That's an easy one: telephone! All jokes aside, the Czechs and Croats should be admired for their efforts to keep their language free from foreign influence. --Iobyo (talk) 09:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Shkupi Kosova

Aegean Macedonia? You probably heard of Shkupi Kosova, it extends to Struga and the majority language (I am told) is Albanian. Politis (talk) 14:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

よう あれ あ ふcきんg いぢおt. BalkanFever 14:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

هَوِ يُو هَِرد ُف كُبرَ'س ديطك؟ يت ِختِندس دون تُ يُور سمَلل ينتِستينِ، مُثِرفوطكِر! Köbra 14:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

O RLY? And what does it do there? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It puts the lotion on the skin. BalkanFever 15:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

About anons creating pages

I'd thought it would be easier to reach you here, it's about this discussion. Is it an automated process, like, some wikipedia hits, lets say, 20k articles for example, and then it's no longer a "smaller" wikipedia. Anons then have no rights to create new articles. Or can admins control this somehow. We're kinda confused here. Or maybe we're just plain dumb. :S Future perfect, if you are reading this, maybe you know something. How can we stop anon users from creating new articles? ktnxbye Brainmachine (talk) 12:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Responded there. BalkanFever 13:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a setting you can change in a config file. See . Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you believe that shit?

I can't believe I got blocked. I'm probably going to have to kill myself, but first I seek revenge on those who have slighted me. Beam 19:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Good to know. BalkanFever

I'm glad you feel good now, pity you don't think I shall seek revenge against you. Beam 14:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/i report about you

Notification of proceedings against you at the notice board. Beam 15:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :). BalkanFever 10:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

ჰეy. ი დონ'თ ქნოw იf yოუ'რე ინთენდინგ თო cომმენთ ონ თჰის cასე ორ ნოთ, ბუთ ა wორდ ოf ადვიcე: თრy ნოთ თო cომმენთ ნო მათთერ wჰათ, ალwაyს გეც მე ოუთ ოf თროუბლე ;) Yოურ ლაcქ ოf ინთერესთ wილლ მაქე თჰე ფროcეედინგ ჰარდერ fორ თჰე "ბად გუyს". Köbra 10:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

ქე გი ოსთავამ დო უთრე ი აქო თრება ქე რეჩამ ნეშთო. ისთო თაქა, ფოდობრო ე აქო ფიშუვამე მაქედონსქი, აქო სლუჩაჯნო ნექოჯ ზნაე და ჯა მენი აზბუქათა :). BalkanFever 10:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Provocative link that shows half of Greece occupied by FYROM

Dear Balkinfever. You have a link on your user page A pretty good example that leads to an image of half of Greece under the control of FYROM (not to mention a few other nations in the region are completely engulfed). I shouldn't have to remind you that such images only confirm the accuracy of Greek complaints of active irredentism by some FYROM citizens which goes against the spirit of both US/UN resolutions that condemn such acts as "propaganda".

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300:
(please add colon ':' to end of url in address bar if link fails. For some reason Misplaced Pages doesn't like URLs that end in a colon)

By placing such links on your website you appear to be endorsing future human rights atrocities and ethnic cleansing against 2.5 million people in Greece that identify as "Macedonian" (Greek ones) but aren't ethnically slavic nor remotely relate to FYROM. (much like citizens in FYROM before the break up of Yugoslavia identified both as "Yugoslavian" and "Macedonian")

I believe Misplaced Pages guidelines of proper conduct are incompatible with such images and ask that your link be immediately removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.239.31 (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop trolling him, now. Beam 00:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not "trolling". I think it is very offensive and inappropriate to offend millions of Greeks in the manner he has. Suppose if someone had images of half your country being occupied by another... and showed every sign of working to that goal? I doubt you would find it particularly funny.

I would recommend YOU stop trolling and let BalkanFever either justify it why it is appropriate... or remove it. If it is not removed within 72 hours I will make a formal complaint to Misplaced Pages's editorial board. 209.161.230.168 (talk) 03:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300:

I look forward to your report. I'd recommend not wasting your time, and just stop now. Beam 03:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed you have an ongoing relationship with BalkanFever. I just pulled this from your user page.

I, BalkanFever, award you the Barnstar of Good Humor, for your constant hilarity on my talk page. Keep it up! BalkanFever

Do you think it possible this conflict of interest may have created a bias in your NPOV? The reason why I suggest this is instead of spending a minute to review my issue... you ignored it completely and harassed me (twice) to basically get lost.... on someone else's talk page? 209.161.230.168 (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Gia sou, whoever you are. This is a massive misunderstanding, and I must say on your part. The map in question is showing the fact that irredentist ideals in the Balkans overlap. If you look at the light blue line, it shows a "Greater Greece", which includes Cyprus, European Turkey, and parts of Albania, Bulgaria, and the Republic of Macedonia.

The red line shows "Greater Serbia", the brown line "Greater Bulgaria" and so on. The point of the map, which is published by an expert neutral, reliable, verifiable source, is to make you think "What if all nationalist desires in the Balkans could be fulfilled?". The point is that they cannot, because irredentism overlaps. Balkan people, when in large nationalist groups, are, for want of a less offensive word, idiots. It's like a sickness (or fever, hence my username). That being said, I have many Balkan friends (I myself am, obviously, from the Balkans), even Greeks. Most of those Greeks even call me a simple "Macedonian" and my country "Macedonia". It's probably because they don't care about a petty dispute. BalkanFever 10:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow...I was already explaining it. I had it all under control, and then YOU edit conflict me. Thanks. Beam 10:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well thank you, for understanding the (obvious) point of the map. But the troll wasn't going to listen to you, no matter what you said. On an aside, one of the symptoms of Balkan Fever is excessive use of five-letter acronyms. BalkanFever 10:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, since you EC'd me, I'm changing my recommendation to community ban at the ANi. Beam 10:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this must be the revenge you were talking about! What a fool I've been. BalkanFever 10:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent)lol, you're an asshole rivaling my own assholeness. I saw where you told an anon user "probably cause you suck" and then an (admin?) editor asked you about, lol, you really respond by saying "I'm pretty sure he does suck anyway." When I was reading the ANi report I fucking almost choked on my coffee. Beam 10:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I try. Laveol is a big sack o' fun. He's too serious sometimes, and he overreacts to some things (usually my jokes). Some of the guys you've met take things too seriously as well, no? BalkanFever 11:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Shit man, I got admins so far up my ass I have to eat two bowls of cereal for breakfast or I'd be hungry the whole morning. And then the next admin comes along, and sees all these "blocks" and says to himself "i'm going to get me some of that" and bam I got another bullshit block. I don't even get the decency of an ANi where people can badmouth me publicly, you're so lucky for even that. Beam 11:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

(EC) Sigh. The map shows the ambitions of the factions of the Balkans. One time ambitions, former ambitions, or current ambitions. He's explaining the meaning of his user name: "BalkanFever." As in CabinFever happens when your stuck inside for a period of time, BalkanFever happens when your in the Balkans or interested in them for a time: considering everyone there has aspirations of empire. He never once endorses one side over the other in that map. And I thought this was obvious, or I wouldn't call you a troll and laugh it off. Beam 10:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Balkanfever, I'm not sure if I'm adding these comments in the correct location. I am new to Misplaced Pages so please bear with me as I better learn Misplaced Pages's methods.

Unfortunate your map shows the entire northern area of Greece as occupied by something called "greater macedonia". In addition your handle is "balkanfever", you show a considerable bias against Greek Macedonians with your user page news article listings (several which are inaccurate sensationalist titles from FYROM news sources), you did prior mass edits against the naming issue article without offering justifications for each... and now you expect me to take you seriously that your intent isn't occupation of Macedonia Greece, usurpation of Macedonian Greek heritage, and to direct propaganda/hate at Greeks? Consider what happened in the US when a vodka company company simply produced this ad.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html

I'm sorry. I reject your claim of innocence and point you back to the a couple of clauses in a recent US Senate resolution condemning acts of propaganda against Greece by FYROM. (signed by Senator Obama I might add)

"Whereas a television report in recent years showed students in a state-run school in FYROM still being taught that parts of Greece, including Greek Macedonia, are rightfully part of FYROM"

Whereas, on September 13, 1995, Greece and FYROM signed a United Nations-brokered Interim Accord that, among other things, commits them to not `support claims to any part of the territory of the other party or claims for a change of their existing frontiers';

Whereas the aforementioned acts constitute a breach of FYROM's international obligations deriving from the spirit of the United Nations Interim Accord, which provide that FYROM should abstain from any form of `propaganda' against Greece's historical or cultural heritage;

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.Res.300: (Note: If the above link doesn't work please manually add a colon ":" to end of address bar)

Unless you have further points to make Balkanfever... please remove your highly offensive link within 48 hours or I will take the issue up with the Wikipeida's editorial board (as well as your general pattern of anti-Greek Macedonian behavior). 209.161.227.67 (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

If you can't also see the "Greater Greece" in the map, then something is seriously wrong with you. I reject your claim of intelligence and/or seriousness and will kindly tell you to leave me alone. Funny how you claim to support the "interim accord", yet it states that Greece should not veto the Republic of Macedonia's entrance into international organisations. You are a hypocrite (that's a Greek word, so I know you understand it). There is nothing more to say. Go away. BalkanFever 23:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to answer to your request earlier. The 209.* anon (who is User:Crossthets) has been warned off and will hopefully keep out now. We don't usually semi-protect talk pages without some rather serious reason. You think it'll be okay now? Cheers, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it should be fine. BalkanFever 07:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

God Damn it, there's another ANi about you!

Here it is you fool. Stop harassing and conspiring against people! Beam 01:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, my propaganda seems to pissing a few people off. Oh well. BalkanFucker 07:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Giorgos

You probably misunderstood my comment. Some more info from the survey by Vidoeski in Koneski's book, would probably settle this map issue and provide additional information on Macedonian dialectology. I am sure that FP's version of the Vidoeski map, is as accurate as it can get--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, Macedonian dialectology is not the most discussed subject, as you can gather. Unsurprisingly, the majority of linguists interested are the ones from the Republic of Macedonia, and not Greeks (too much politics, you know how it is). I don't think the map issue will ever be settled, since there will always be randoms that come across it and get offended or something. Or just people that believe any RoM source is ipso facto unreliable. BalkanFever 11:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You are unfortunately right on your remarks, but I am genuinely interested. With all these tension and constant bickering it becomes a trully impossible task to form an opinion. Therefore every piece of information is welcome as far as I' m concerned. I am well aware of the grievances from both sides. I think that the more we learn about the issues involved in this incredible conflict the better we understand.--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

So many issues, so little interest (I mean on the part of others) For more on linguistics, try: The situation of the Macedonian language in Greece: sociolinguistic analysis by Roland Schmeiger and Greece and European Turkey: From Religious to Linguistic Identity by Peter Trudgill. BalkanFever 11:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I 've read both ages ago. Btw I think the correct spelling is "Schmieger" I've seen you mispelling it before and I am an expert in wreaking spelling havoc myself--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. Chucked it in the spell-check just to make sure. BalkanFever 12:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow

In every article about FYROM for me Republic of Macedonia for you i can see you in the contributors and more i've read your page and i mean wow.Keep up the good work cause i've learned a lot from Fyrom related articles that i simply did't knew.

Don't get me wrong about FYROM i don't want to offend or insult you.TheJudge0791 (talk) 18:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm, thanks, I guess. BalkanFever 04:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Well, you just proved my point.--Dimorsitanos (talk) 04:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Threatening to Ban people

Man, you are a trouble maker! I, per usual, am notifying you of an AN/i thread: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Reporting_a_Threat_for_Ban_in_Violation_of_the_Banning_Concept..

You are a rebel (by rebel I mean jerk)! Beam 15:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be taken care of, by numerous admins. BalkanFever 09:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ottoman Turkish

Hi, I noticed your message at User talk:AdjarianLAZ. He is a sockpuppet, so he is currently blocked. However, I know a user (Saposcat), who would probably know the answer to your question. He is semi-retired, so if he doesn't reply to you on his talk page, you might try emailing him. However, he definitely knows Ottoman Turkish. Khoikhoi 06:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, didn't realise that. Thanks. BalkanFever 07:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

BTW, perhaps you could help me out with something. The Jegunovce page needs to be updated, and I noticed that someone added some info regarding Silmak (formerly Jugohrom). However, he/she included a joke in his edits (which are somewhat in comment-form instead of proper encyclopedic form), and also did not include any sources. Do you think you could help me by adding sources and updating the article? I need to know whether the plant was closed down or not, and I can't read the official website unfortunately. Khoikhoi 10:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The official website just describes the municipality, and I don't seem to be able to click any links. Found an A1 article (in Macedonian) though, and will update the page now. The "Silni Makedonci" thing is the joke (it means "Strong Macedonians"). BalkanFever 10:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thank you very much. One more thing: do you know if the names are normally supposed to be capitalized or not? Khoikhoi 19:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, style here on wiki seems to be not to capitalise the name of companies, because I think most companies have their names in capitals elsewhere. Fixed. BalkanFever 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

weird story thing

LOL Ijanderson977 (talk) 12:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ewa

Hello. I see, still I would like to see the sentence there for one simple reason. "Polish singer" is not clear, many readers can guess she is Polish, because she hails from Poland or only her parents are Polish. Ewa hails from historical Polish minority of Zaolzie region, her family lived always there, borders just changed leaving this territory in Czechoslovakia, now the Czech Republic. For comparison, Polish minority there can be compared to Hungarian one in Slovakia or German-speaking one in Südtirol, Italy. - Darwinek (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. Vendryne is a nice village near the ugly gray industrial town of Trinec. :) Due to this many wealthy people of Trinec built new houses in Vendryne in last years and relocated there, and this trend seems to continue. Ewa attended Polish elementary school in Vendryne (Polish Wedrynia) and is now going to attend famous Polish gymnasium (high school) in Cesky Tesin. - Darwinek (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know her personally, she's quite younger generation than me but Ewa is a famous regional (and not only) personality. Yes, I live on the Olza, crossed it twice today. :) You're from the Republic of Macedonia? - Darwinek (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice. From what I know there is a huge Macedonian community in Australia, particularly Melbourne I think. How are your relations with huge Greek community there? :) My Greek friends from Zaolzie mention Macedonia only as FYROM and they would beat me if I would use Macedonia in front of them. :) They view your nation as bunch of revisionists and think you should give your territory to Greece. - Darwinek (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. There are several thousands Greeks and Macedonians in the Czech Republic. Children of those forced to flee after the civil war. Patriotic as hell, which I'm fine with but I don't like their attitude towards other minorities in this country. Maybe it is because Greeks from Greece view their own minorities as obstacle. - Darwinek (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Polish of course. Assimilation even accelerated after the fall of communism and the backbone of our minority have always been underlining of our uniqueness and otherness from the Czech ethnic group. So Poles there are loyal to the Czech Republic but proud Poles, many also believe in the so-called theory of two motherlands, that we have one motherland in the Czech Republic, because we are Czech citizens and the second one, more or less spiritual, in Poland. Still we live in region divided in 1920 by both countries. For example in 1938-1945 our region was a part of different countries four times. Looking from 1918 even more times. :) - Darwinek (talk) 14:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, there is a discussion about this in Poland now but I am a fervent opposer of this fresh theory, so I'm not non-involved and couldn't deliver you a neutral point of view. :) - Darwinek (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments on Talk:Republic of Macedonia/name

Hi

Regarding this comment. I know is debate is pretty heated, but try and remember Misplaced Pages's policy on Personal attacks. Thanks Samuell Lift me up or put me down 14:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder :) BalkanFever 12:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Čestitki

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Wishing BalkanFever a very happy Ilinden from Rašo! Have a great day!

Thanks for signing my Guestbook!

Gears of War 2 01:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Now I can finally watch it :D BalkanFever 01:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol, it was really good too. Gears of War 2 01:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

re: WT:MOSMAC

Hello, is there a currently ongoing discussion about this? I looked briefly, but didn't see one. Perhaps I missed it? Parsecboy (talk) 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. BalkanFever 12:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I left a somewhat lengthy reply on my talk page. Parsecboy (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, here's an unrelated question: how did your talk page become conquered by Australia? Parsecboy (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Since I'm in Australia, I decided to claim my page before someone else did. :DBalkanFever 13:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense ;) Parsecboy (talk) 13:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Tarator or Cacik?

Hi. Perhaps you have something useful to say about whether Cacik is an acceptable alternative name of Tarator, discussed on Talk:Yoghurt#Tarator vs Cacik. NerdyNSK (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Etiquette Alert

Hi, I'm letting you know I've filed an etiquette alert considering you at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_alerts#User:BalkanFever. --   Avg    18:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia War talk archive

Hi. I at first thought about archiving half the page, but then I changed mind and only archived discussions made on 8 August, leaving all 9 August discussions on the main talk page (having in mind to use the same archive page later as the days pass). If you think this is not helpful or if you can do something better please feel free to revert me. I don't intend to archive more now, and thanks for letting me know. NerdyNSK (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Ossetia

I'm not going to unilateraly move it because of the reasons you've stated. Unfortunately with such as busy article with so many editors, it will be hard to reach a consensus. We will see in the next few days if this war gets even bigger, so if it does then we can re-name it and if it doesn't then it's fine. If the war expands, then we may have to make a tough decision without a supermajority and change the name of the article to reflect reality. --Tocino 05:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

South Ossetia

Yeh it does, however I oppose the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This is just Russia showing how big and hard it still is because it hasn't had a fight in a while. Also it wants to punish Georgia for leaving the CIS and becoming friendly with EU/NATO/USA Ijanderson977 (talk) 08:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean what NATO did in the 1990s? Ijanderson977 (talk) 08:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fark aff

THIEF 3rdAlcove (talk) 09:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

*hides* BalkanFever 09:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian translation

Hi, BalkanFever! I'm looking for some help by a Macedonian speaker to get this article a bit improved. I used some article from the MK page as a template and tinkered around it. Since I have rough understanding of the Cyrillic alphabet and almost no understanding of the Macedonian language I'd appreciate one or two improvements on the article. You can find inspirations here. If you have questions or need any help on your project's translations, just let me know! Thank you. -Lemmy- (talk) 12:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'll translate some of the passage tomorrow, as I'm a bit pressed for time right now. Cheers, BalkanFever 12:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Great work. Thank you! -Lemmy- (talk) 11:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

removing instead of archiving

Heh, I'm too afraid of being too forward and removing things that might actually be useful or that don't deserve removing :) . Also, if you later need to refer to the actions of a disruptive user, it's easier to point at archived discussions than at removed ones. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough :). BalkanFever 09:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

What's with requesting editors to "use # before signature"? 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It gives a number so that it's easier to count.

1. Like so. BalkanFever 08:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ehm, nevermind. I'd tell you what I mixed up but it'd make me look even more stupid. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol , OK then. BalkanFever 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Why "disputed"?

Hey Balkan, I was wondering why so many Macedonian articles are being disputed? Is the disputation coming from Macedonians or Bulgarian/Greek users? Look at the following:

Maks Aegean Maks Albo Maks.. and others

Also, is horribly written. It talks about the situation of the Balkans in the 1900s not the actual national awakening of the Macedonians. It needs work. Mactruth (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to give a little light on the last issue - Macedonism was recently merged with Macedonian nationalism despite the warnings from some users that these were actually two different terms. --Laveol 21:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to search the page history to find out who disputes them, but I suspect the latter. Most people chuck a tag without opening a discussion, maybe thinking it will miraculously fix itself. If there hasn't been a discussion or the dispute has been resolved, just remove the tags. BalkanFever 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

About the other thing, Macedonian nationalism and Macedonism refer to the same thing (nowadays they have mostly a negative connotation, as with all nationalism), but Macedonism is more of a neologism, as Philip Baird Shearer said. Mactruth, feel free to improve the article. I too think it needs more focus, since "Macedonian nationalism" used to be at the title "National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians" so that was the original purpose. BalkanFever 10:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hypocricy redux

Talking about hypocricy, you claim exactly above that some things should be just deleted (obviously it applies only to those you don't like) and then you revert me when I did exactly what you suggest.--   Avg    08:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yawn. You're removing it because you don't like that English-language sources use "Republic of Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". That and you find "Yunan" offensive, but then again, you use "Skopian" and "Fyromian" all the time, so why should I give a shit? BalkanFever 08:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, there's only one c in hypocrisy. BalkanFever 08:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

But of course you'd know that. It is a "Macedonian" word after all. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Any Greek should know that σ becomes s, not c. BalkanFever 09:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Anal, anyone? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Double entendre, anybody? BalkanFever 10:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You just know. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Junanci

Samo licemjere ne podnosim. Ovo nije dostojno Sokrata ni drugih. Sramota na što spadoše . --Aradic-es (talk) 09:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

English, please? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

As I have yet to receive a reply from Aradic, would BF care to do the honours? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you ignore what I said about my Croatian skills? I understand it fairly well, but my translation won't make much sense, so you'll probably misinterpret it. BalkanFever 08:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Just give it a shot. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 09:02, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

approximately:

I just can't stand the hypocrits.This is not at the level of Socrates. it is shameful on what did they(Yunans, btw) come.

--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I asked for an English translation, not this shit. By the way, one of you says it's Croatian while the other claims it's "Macedonian". Which of you Slavs is telling the truth? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ja sam ja, divlji Bil, prezivam se............BalkanFever 10:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Cinema of Macedonia

Hi could you fill this out into the fuller article it deserves thanks. I've also created Template:CinemaofMacedonia as with other countries The Bald One 18:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Will do. BalkanFever 05:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Question from an Ionian

Would you mind translating this comment of yours? Cheers. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

"I want to ask you: do you hate Greeks as a nation (ethnic group), or just the hypocrites? They're not all bad people....Sorry, my Croatian probably sucks." BalkanFever 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't actually say "Ionians"; that would be "Jonci". And maybe you should actually read the wiktionary pages that you link to - you might learn a thing or two. BalkanFever 06:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

So Junanci means "Greeks"? In which language? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not an actual word bre. Call it a loan if you want, a Slavicisation of the Turkish word or Persian, ultimately Greek, blah blah blah..... It means "one from Junanska", which itself is borrowing the stem (Junan from Yunan) and translating the suffix (like in a calque); -stan and -ska both meaning the same thing (-ia in Greek and Latin). BalkanFever 07:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

In other words, you were merely parroting the pejorative epithet coined by your Croat comrade. Got it. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 08:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Since you seem to know your spelling it's time to go to the actual meaning of the word. I'm sure your definition of hypocrites is quite large, when Greeks are concerned. Just to clarify since you've already labelled me a hypocrite, do you think it's okay to hate me and do you label me "bad people"? --   Avg    08:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't be silly, you (Avg) can't be "bad people" since that's a plural. BalkanFever 08:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed that no one has signed yet. Can you feel the love? I think you hate it, deep inside. 3rdAlcove (talk) 10:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I didn't come here for love, I'll tell you that much. Guess I'll have to try harder. BalkanFever 20:45, 26 August 2008

I suppose I could sign it, given the right atmosphere. I'm open to persuasion. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 10:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you take burek? BalkanFever 11:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Is it thick and greasy? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 11:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. BalkanFever 11:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

aromanian help

Hi, i see that you can speak aromanian. Can you help me finding the Saranda name in aromanian, because there is a slight minority in the town and the name should be added to the lead? Thanksbalkanian (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it's any different from the Albanian < Greek. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It would be Saranda, maybe Sarandã. I doubt you would be able to find it on the internet anywhere though. BalkanFever 11:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian History in question

Zdravo BalkanFever. Nekoj ja izbrisa slikata IlindenFlag svg.png za koja nie Makedoncite tolku se borevme da ostane vo Flags of the Republic of Macedonia poradi copyright, a Bugarot Jingiby postavi link vo na bugarskata partija VMRO-BND deka oni go koristat toa zname, a u stvari: 1. oni koristat drugo takvo zname so natpis 'VMRO-BND' 2. jas go kreirav toa zname i mu staviv copyright kako 'own work'. Ke mozes li da prezemes nesto? Golem pozdrav

PS. Ti moderator li bese tuka ili greska sum? Cukiger (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Stvarno ne znam za copyright i takvi nešta. Najdobro e da odiš do WP:ANI za celiot problem i vidi što kje se sluči tamu. BalkanFever 06:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

a discussion of hypothetical situations which doesn't add anything to the article

• - Are you insane??? Before I added this very important paragraphs, Zocky reverted one of my edits with a summary implying just that . Some Serb linguists like Pavle Ivić even tried to list the common "Serbo-Croatian" isoglosses, but all of them have eventually failed the eye of scrutiny! The fact that this "Serbo-Croatian" grouping is completely arbitrary and does not constitute a genetic node, i.e. that there was never a stage in which there existed an ancestor dialect of all Čakavian, Kajkavian and Štokavian speeches is a very important one. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 11:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes OK, your explanation makes sense. Maybe you want to word it differently and cite a few sources? BalkanFever 11:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

And I still don't think all of that should be in the intro. BalkanFever 11:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Selam

Hi Emre. I just wanted to ask, do you know any Ottoman Turkish? BalkanFever 11:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, What do you mean as Ottoman Turkish? Craftsman or Sultan? I didn't understand completely... *** Эɱ®εč¡κ *** 07:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I meant do you have any knowledge of the Ottoman Turkish language (Osmanlıca)? 08:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

i can't think now... Both are resemble to each other... *** Эɱ®εč¡κ *** 18:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Your awful revert of Sharr Mountains

Your awful and biased revert of the article on the Sharr Mountains on the Kosovo pages will be changed and I hereby submit my protest at your silly changes. The Sharr Mountains are located in two Albanian-majority territories (Albania and Kosovo), thus Albanian takes precedence and so-called 'Macedonian.' You are hereby warned to stop your biased reverts. --alchaemia (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

WTF? BalkanFever 08:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Macedonia on Kosovo

Thank you, BalkanFever. It certainly looks more useful than what we had in place, and so I took the liberty of replacing the article entry with your write-up, giving credit where it's due in the edit summary. Best, --Mareklug 06:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Oggs

This is a reply to your email (in Macedonian): Еве, арен, ти како си? :)

Добро е што ме потсети за изговориве, затоа што и тоа имам во план веќе некое време (како и милион други работи). Знам и можам, само не знам дали сум компетентен за таа работа (со гласот, со интонацијата...). Види го изговорот на македонски јазик; that little bastard is me, but don't tell anyone. :P Сепак, сигурно ќе биде подобро од српски хахаха, многу се смееме за тоа тука! Шега на страна, не можам да дозволам странците да слушаат нешто на што тука се смееме, уште веднаш ќе почнам со „рикординг“! ;) Поздрав. --iNkubusse 12:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ок, еве го и првото чедо: commons:Image:Mk-Republika Makedonija.ogg. Добро ли е? Не знам зошто се јавуваат тие три пречки т-к, т-к... Добар ми е микрофонот... Можеби при конверзијата wav-ogg, бидејќи немам снимач директно во .ogg. Ако имаш, те молам препорачај. --iNkubusse 15:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Фала многу! За тие пречки немам појма, ама не е толку битно. Уште еднаш фала. :) BalkanFever 23:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Додадов уште неколку, види commons:Category:Macedonian pronunciation. Планирам уште многу да додадам, добро ќе ни дојдат. Патем, нема зошто ти да се заблагодаруваш: го правам тоа за нас! Ти може да дадеш еден изговор на GTA:SA, ама на амерички. :D --iNkubusse 03:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Браво бе човек! Ај ќе ги додадам. РЅ: Оxрид во МФА ќе биде ли /ohrid/ или /ohrit/ ? Звучи како Final obstruent devoicing. BalkanFever 03:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Да ти кажам, тоа размислував баш додека го снимав! На македонски се вика „обезвучување“ на согласка на крајот од зборот и тоа важи за повеќето зборови, воопшто (леб -> леп, снег -> снек, итн). Веројатно тоа важи и за Охрид (за зборот рид исто така важи обезвучувањето). Не дека намерно сакаме д да се слуша како т, ама се слуша, што да му правиме. :) Значи, јас не сум експерт за ИПА и затоа не знам што да ти кажам, ама знам дека д-то на крај се слуша како т. Од друга страна, ако по зборот „Охрид“ има збор што почнува со звучна согласка (пр. Охрид даде жртви...), обично се изговараат слеано двете звучни согласки, односно ОхриД. Ај да не се врткам околу едното исто, да ти кажам право - не знам. :) --iNkubusse 05:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Добро, ќе го ставам како /t/ бидејќи така се слуша. Гледам важи само на крајот на зборот: (леб /lɛp/, а лебот /lɛbɔt/) а исто така и пред безвучни самогласки: /gruefski/. BalkanFever 05:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Да, токму така. ;) Ќе снимам сега уште неколку имиња на градови, ама сигурно има и уште нешто. Те молам кажи ми ако ти текнува нешто друго за снимање (само направи ми листа, ќе ја средам). --iNkubusse 14:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Еј, провери ги моите нови подигнувања на Ризницата и додади ги на соодветните статии (не сакам да експериментирам со ИПА). И уште еднаш да ти кажам, направи ми листа од сè што сакаш да чуеш. ;) --iNkubusse 17:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Епа, само имиња на градови и луѓе требат МФА, а реките, планините итн. нека ги имат ogg-те со кирилицата, како што си направил тука. Ќе создавам листа наскоро; повеќето ќе биде градови и луѓе. BalkanFever 08:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ок, провери ги подигнувањата. ;) Ги снимив сите за 10 минути, но ги подигав неколку саати... :( Се тресам од замор... :S --iNkubusse 20:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ги ставам сега. Едно прашање: РАДмила шекеРИНска или шеКЕринска? Снимал си го првото, и нормално ти ќе знаеш, само секогаш мислев беше второто. BalkanFever 05:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

ШекеРИНска, тоа е изговорот на ова презиме. Македонското правило на третиот слог од лево кон десно важи само за изворните македонски зборови (и тоа не баш за сите); странските имиња се читаат најчесто како што се читаат во оригиналот. Земи го како пример Александар. :) Една професорка во основно ме викаше АлЕксандар хаха. :D Патем, фала ти за микрофонот! :P Ако се потребни уште снимки, направи уште една листа, па после да можеш да ме наградиш цело студио! :D --iNkubusse 13:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Russia and the Caucasus

yeh I would lol Ijanderson (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Language policy of SFRY

It is late but now we are having source . In first communist Yugoslavia constitution official languages are: Croatian, Macedonia, Serbian and Slovenian + Hungarian in Vojvodina and Albanian on Kosovo.--Rjecina (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Political corpse

Thank you, chap! :) Yes, I have simultaneously made a Russian version of the article. --Supernova (talk) 09:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hello Balkan, sega gledam vo vrska so mojot pretposleden komentar na stranicata za razgovor na NOB - jas ne te obvinuvam tuka, tuku naprotiv tebe ti se obrakjam za pomosh i mislenje. Sakam da mi kazesh shto mislish za problemot. Jas potroshiv tolku vreme sobiranje informacii za da napravam ubava opshirna statija, i kolegata Kobra samo doagja i ja pravi statijata grda. Vidi go rasporedot na sliki i strukturata na anegovata verzija. Navistina neznam shto mu smeta, se odnesuva mnogu neracionalno, kako namerno da go pravi ova. Te molam za mislenje. I would ask you to visit the history page of National Liberation War of Macedonia. I spend so much time making this article, and this user Köbra comes and vandalizes the whole text of the article and excludes valuable photos. I would like your opinion on the subject. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 00:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Izvini što sum zafaten ovie dena; nemam vreme da čitam dve celi statii za NOB. Navistina ne svakjam kako možat sliki da bidat tooolku važni, ama pak, ne sum gledal. Isto taka, grdo/ubavo ne e glavna tema vo enciklopedička diskusija. Gledaj kaj informaciite. Dali toa što sakaš da stoi vo statijata e od neutralna gledna točka. Dali Kobra ima izbrišeno važni informacii, ili samo zborovi - t.e. dali informaciite ušte stojat, samo vo pokratka forma? Dali izvorite se neutralni? Ova treba sebesi da se prašuvaš. Ili možeš da prašuvaš nekoj korisnik koj znae za borbi da gi čita dvete verzii. BalkanFever 06:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

MKD

If something new comes up I'll edit that first and see what you think of it first. But I don't think there is much I could add at the moment. Thanks Ijanderson (talk) 14:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Dimorsitanos (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Can't be arsed voting. Just tell me how it goes. BalkanFever 08:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Sources

Hi. I was wondering if you know of any sources from purblished academics who support the Macedonian position in the naming dispute in terms of historical rights, the non-Greekness of Macedonia, etc Hxseek (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I don;t know what your stance on this issue is. My great area of interest is early medieval Balkan history and 'ethnogenesis'. Basically I want to make the Macedonia Naming Dispute article more neutral, which seems to always be an uphill struggle. Hxseek (talk) 09:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Majtap. Does that not mean " a mess" ? So you are a mixture of everything ? Hxseek (talk) 10:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

MPO

I am trying to get in contact with the Board of Directors of the organizations. It seems when they were founded in 1922 (by immigrants who mostly fled in 1903, before macedonia was liberated), many of the people were subscribing to the Bulgarian-Macedonian paradigm, which at that time probably meant more Slav-Macedonian, as the main purpose was to differentiate themselves from the Greeks. This held for a while, but started to fall apart in 1945 after Macedonia became an independent country, then many of the MPO started to realize that they don't have all that much in common with the Bulgarians after all, and now they had their own independent country they much more preferred to identify with. By the 1980s they were almost completely clear of pro-bulgarian sentiments and ever since are fervent supporters of separate and independent Macedonian nation and republic.

Anyway, this is mostly anecdotal knowledge, and it would take a lot of research to put this properly sourced in the article, but for now some useful information can be extracted from their web site www.macedonian.org. They have done some admirable charity work in Macedonia. Capricornis (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It is unfortunate that our diaspora has been so fractured (btw, the United Macedonian Diaspora needs work :). The Macedonians from the Greek part after 1924 had all their names changed to Greek ones, under the Metaxas dictatorship. Some of them changed them back when they immigrated, but most of them did not want to go through the administrative hassle. There are way more Greek and Bulgarian editors on wikipedia, so going head-to-head with them is not the best option. There is lot of POV pushing and weasel words, but a lot can be done by editing the less controversial articles, and adding more articles about the current R.Macedonia. f course, if there is blatant POV and propaganda in Macedonian articles feel free to edit them, and if the 'other' side gangs up and uses vandalism and superior numbers, just start reporting them to all administrators, admin boards, arbitration, etc. Capricornis (talk) 18:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Macedonia

The article says that their source in Albanian parties in Macedonia told them how Macedonia will recognise Kosovo on September 22 and all that in order to solve the current parliamentary crisis. It says that PM Gruevski agreed for this move in order to maintain internal stability because the DPA wouldn't support him otherwise. It also says how the PM will have troubles to explain that to the public which is against such a move but that it will buy him some points regarding the name dispute with Greece. But all in all it's all based on "the source refused to be named", "our sources within Albanian parties" etc. Cheers, --Avala (talk) 10:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Bulgarians

Ги гледаш муабетите во последниот дел на страницата за дискусија? Capricornis (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

aha :) Capricornis (talk) 19:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

funny

I just read your entire talk page. i was crackin' up from laughter.. i forgot that wikipedia contribution can be entertaining Capricornis (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Your Polish alphabet

I think you have a contradiction on your subpage User:BalkanFever/Polish_Cyrillic_Alphabet. In the charts, you have Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/, but in the description underneath the charts you have it reversed. I assume one of them is a mistake. If it were up to me, I'd say that Л for /w/ and Љ for /l/ makes more sense because it's in line with how Russian handles things (their "l" sound is actually more like /w/ than like /l/, so when borrowing foreign names they use ЛЬ for /l/.

I found you because I have a few Macedonian-related articles on my watchlist; I'm not that knowledgeable about the content but I can do vandalism reversion and reversion of uneducated unuseful edits. I'm an American of half-Greek descent, but that isn't really the reason why I decided to start watching Macedonia articles ... I just tend to drift from topic to topic every few months. Some of the article I edit are things I'm knowledgeable about, but a lot of them aren't. Anyway, nice to meet you. Soap /_{Contributions} 01:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

What are you, dense?

(cur) (last) 00:46, 21 September 2008 BalkanFever (Talk | contribs) (145,748 bytes) (reveritng poorly sourced (speculation only) crap about macedonia. that's it from me for today. if idiots like alchaemia and the anons revert, get rid of them) (undo)

Insults such as these have no place in Misplaced Pages, and you're kindly asked to stop the charade. --alchaemia (talk) 01:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I must add, What are you, dense? is a really polite way to point out others' insults. --iNkubusse

First off, don't cry, since you randomly attacked me a few sections up. Second, what charade? Macedonia should not be called an "imminent recogniser", because the amount of speculation in the sources of the (single, I may add) source is laughable. Compare this with the Macedonian MFA, quotes (or lack thereof) from Macedonian politicians, and news from Macedonian media, and what do you see? iNkubusse, would you like to help out? You may as well, since you're actually in Macedonia, and I'm getting tired searching all Macedonian media just to prove something to trolls that won't listen anyway. BalkanFever 07:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I can at least try to be helpful. Just tell me what to do exactly. :) I mean, what kind of quotes to look for. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if this shitty state recognises Kosovo imminently, but I also wouldn't include that in the article, because the sources are weak. Crvenkovski probably just got drunk and God knows what happened. :P --iNkubusse 11:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Basically "Македонија (утре ќе) ја признава Косово." or something to that effect, preferably from Nikola, Branko or Antonio, or anyone else reliable (in this context) i.e. not Ali, Menduh or Imer. BalkanFever 12:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that of course goes for the exact opposite too. BalkanFever 12:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Брат, јас ти одговорив уште тогаш кога ми пиша ти последен пат, ама по грешка стиснав alt+F4 за нешто друго, и ми пропадна целиот текст, па се изнервирав и баталив некое време. Накратко, I'm workin' on it. ;) Како што гледаш од Авала, Владата нема што да каже во врска со тоа, а да не зборуваме одлучно да изјави дека ќе го признава Косово тогаш-и-тогаш. Јас мислам дека Владата нема да каже ништо децидно сè до денот кога всушност ќе го признава, што значи дека нема место на Википедија за такви (дез)информации. Поздрав. --iNkubusse 22:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Gruevski has spoken

Gruevski has spoken on the issue of Kosovo and recognition speculations - . Could you update the article? Thanks, --Avala (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I would have added it but in the case I mistranslated some fine detail I would risk of being accused of falsifying and whatnot so I decided to wait for you. Cheers --Avala (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks

im glad to be back. PMK1 (talk) 08:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop personal attacks on Greek contributers

The title of your last revert to me said "greek nationalists try to emphasize significance bt lets let the non-retarded decide"

Although you seem to be trying to obfuscate you are a FYROM nationalist to other Misplaced Pages contributers your obsessive anti-Greek editing history makes it quite clear . That's not a crime but I don't appreciate your continued name calling me (e.g. "non-retarded"). Misplaced Pages's code of conduct explicitly states no personal attacks. I'd appreciate it if you could stick to article discussions. Crossthets (talk) 01:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Funny how people complain to me about my personal attacks by using personal attacks. Do you fail to see that I was paraphrasing you? Anyway, everything is in my first edit summary. That has been taken out of context, and you should get a reliable source talking about it, not some "evidence" from nationalist outlets. BalkanFever 02:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You say that I said a personal attack but I haven't. Despite that you try to hide it...you do appear to be a FYROM nationalist (or do you deny it?). Misplaced Pages's code of conduct also explicitly states mentioning someone is a nationalist (a potential conflict-of-interest) isn't abusive whereas calling someone "retarded" certainly is no gray are)

Despite that Misplaced Pages allows for it, I would prefer to avoid using the word "nationalist" myself (at least when dealing with you one-on-one) but it's kind of hard to do when at every chance you, a FYROM nationalist, swing that at me (and you started it in your edits by the way). If you enjoy being called a nationalist yourself... keep doing it. If you stop characterizing me like that I will do the same for you. Again...your call.

Despite your assurances that FYROM's PM Gruveski knelling in front of a large map of United_Macedonia a foot in front of him has somehow been taken out of context (which incidentally I didn't say anything on the matter just provide a link to the image).... you offer absolute no evidence to back up your claim.

This isn't some casual mistake by someone insignificant. This is the leader of an entire country bowing down to a map showing a third of someone else's country occupied. Many people would consider that an act of war (or at the very least political incompetence considering how sensitive the issues between FYROM and Greece these days). It was certainly newsworthy. However, before reverting it back I will give you an opportunity to explain how such an extreme photograph can be been "taken out of context" and why Wikipedians shouldn't be allowed to know about it so as to judge the significance of this international incident for themselves). Crossthets (talk) 02:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was stupid of him to do it. He should have known the Greek media and Greek nationalists are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. And of course it was out of context. Tell me, whose monument is it? What was their objective (wiki article on them isn't great btw)? Was he kneeling to the monument or the map? And if it was an international incident, how come only Greek media outlets (including lobbyists) reported it? BalkanFever 03:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

What are you trying to achieve here Balkanfever? Are you so obsessed in your hatred of Greeks that you can't see your statements like "a few sandwiches short of picnic" is outright bigotry directed against Greeks? (let me guess.. you also deny Alexander the Great was Greek too right?)

Rather than arguing the photograph is "out of context" (or screaming "nationalist" every time some fact disagrees with your world view).... why don't you instead try to coherently explain the FYROM nationalist viewpoint. How can such an extreme photograph be taken out of context?

And while you are at it... during a recent FYROM "human rights" parade in Australia a large prominent banner declared "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" (the Solun they are referring to is already the capital of Macedonia... Thessaloníki in Macedonia Greece)

Is that "out of context" too? Funny how that keeps happening. Crossthets (talk) 03:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Greek media and Greek nationalists are a subset of Greeks; not all Greeks are "journalists" or nationalists. Unless of course you want to tell me that they are, in which case you should stop insulting your own kind. Why don't you try to explain the Greek nationalist viewpoint? Oh wait, you have, on your userpage. It's not the photograph in itself that is out of context, it's your sorry attempt at an explanation of it, which basically amounts to "look! gruefski n teh fyromz r teh evilz!". And no, that nationalist banner isn't out of context. It's quite irredentist indeed. What do you want me to do about it? Give them a talking to? The problem is that your media and your nationalists try to use something like that as representative of all ethnic Macedonians. I've seen similar posters from Greeks in Australia, the only difference is you'll defend it as "patriotism" or say its a "reaction" to something else, since you're probably the one who makes them. BalkanFever 05:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, when have you ever seen a "similar poster" from Greeks with maps incorporating territories of neighbouring countries? I'd like to see an example, as you seem to be trying to equate the behaviour of the two communities, when in fact they aren't comparable. United Macedonia irredentism is de rigeur for organized "Macedonian" communities around the world; it simply isn't for the Greeks. As for Gruevski, your attempt to defend him is hilarious. He's not the bloody chairman of Preston "Makedonija", for fuck's sake; he's the elected leader of a sovereign state, and should start behaving accordingly. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

At the Australian Open. Some retard was holding a banner about Constantinople and Smyrna. And it said something about Enosis, since he came to see that "patriot" Baghdatis. Oh I'm sure your leaders are great people. The "Macedonian" Karamanlis is the leader of a sovereign multi-ethnic state, why isn't he acting like one? BalkanFever 08:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I knew you'd bring that up, which is why I stressed organized in my initial post. It's always the Australian Open, and always Baghdatis. It must really bother you to see a Cypriot who isn't ashamed of being Greek (unfathomable, I know) play at such an élite level. The rally led by the "Solun will be the capital of Macedonia again" banner was sponsored by the organized "Macedonian" communities there, no? You could be one of the guys holding it, for all I know. The guy on the right with the bad sideburns, perhaps? As for Karamanlis, I'm no fan either, but I don't get what your beef is. Did I miss his laying a wreath before a map of the Treaty of Sèvres cessions? If anything, Greek leaders are usually accused of the opposite; laying the obligatory wreath at Atatürk's mausoleum when visiting Ankara, for example. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not really, they basically just said "come and protest". Nobody said "bring a Greek flag to burn" either, and yet some idiots did. My beef is the denial of the existence of any minorities in Greece, if you haven't realised. Not just the ethnic Macedonians, the others too. And be sure, I got rid of my sideburns long ago. Not that they were bad or anything ;). BalkanFever 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I do know the old guy on the far right though, speaks fluent Greek. Interesting. BalkanFever 08:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Did they ever try to confiscate the offensive material or sanction the culprits? No. On the contrary, the delightful banner was leading the irredentist fuckfest. That's what I mean. As for Greece's minorities, what right does an Australian citizen have to tell another country how to conduct its internal affairs? Your treatment of the Aborigines is hardly commendable, even if Australia does recognizes their existence. Their life expectancy is more comparable to that of the Third World. What's more important, ultimately? Do your diaspora activists seriously believe the "Macedonians" of "Lerin" would have a better quality of life in a United Macedonia? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

How fluent is "fluent"? Can he pronounce the voiced velar fricative without choking on his capsicum? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 08:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you want me to say about the Aborigines? That they're fine and dandy? They aren't. And the guy is more fluent than this Athenian I know. Poor kid renders /r/ as /ɹ/. BalkanFever 09:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

He must be a Gheg Albanian, or have a speech impediment. By the way, you probably shouldn't be compromising people's identities on the Internet. You never know who could be watching. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

As for the Aborigines, the point I was trying to make was that recognition of a minority is not only not a panacea, it doesn't even improve their lives. My personal opinion is that ethnicity, like religion, should be a private matter of no interest or consequence to the state. Id est the French model. Recognizing a minority means you officially tag them as The Other, leaving them vulnerable to all sorts of discrimination. Demanding recognition as a "Macedonian" minority is even worse. No, BF, Greece will not separate the population of Macedonia into "Macedonians" and non-"Macedonians". They are all Macedonians. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure the Albanians (everywhere) would love that. Why should the Macedonian government separate the population of Macedonia as Macedonians and non-Macedonians? They're all Macedonians. BalkanFever 09:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Because it has no choice but to perpetuate the demonstrably failed minority policies of successive Yugoslav régimes? Don't ask me, I don't really know or care. Our Macedonia is not a former Yugoslav republic, though it did come close. I can sympathize with the resentment felt by the Slavs of the "Republic of Macedonia" over having to indulge every minority under the sun, but it's not Greece's fault. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not like bieng cocky will change the situation. But it is interesting that Kekrops has become more a bulgarophile since the last time i left. I feel like siding with the turks за инает!. :) Anyway there is no point in speculating about the macedonians in greece or the aboriginals. PMK1 (talk) 07:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The part about the Bulgarians wasn't added by me, but I don't see what's wrong with it. If they can call the region Беломорска Македония, why not its former Slavic population something along those lines? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

YO

Pls take a look here!!! --Raso mk (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Како е? Што има ново?

Сѐ е по старо; ти? Не знам што можам да придонесувам до таа статија, освен една шлакајнца за детено. BalkanFever 09:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

English only, especially when you discuss other editors, please. --Laveol 21:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

bulgarian dialects?

what happened? apparently the bulgarian language streches up to lerin :S! another POV page: Bulgarian dialects PMK1 (talk) 07:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was the one calling for that article for a while, when everyone was on my back for the Macedonian dialects. I was under the (idiotic) impression that it could be done well, and neutrally, leaving the "Macedonian is Bulgarian" agenda behind, with transitional dialects treated as such if need be. Unfortunately, the entire aim of the article seems to be to support that fringe view. You can't hold a dialogue with them either, because none of them understand English or Macedonian well enough, no matter how much they say they do. BalkanFever 10:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Lol you have a point, they seem to forget when the dialogue begins. I also called for such a page ages ago. but that page is way too propaganda. Apparantly 2 transitional dialects were not enough Solun-Voden Dialect is also now transitional?? :S?

I just read your user page, feel sorry for you. It seems like you do or write something and everyone looks for an explanation lol. People need to get lives lol. You know the propaganda will never end! PMK1 (talk) 10:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah, leave the Solun thing. If it can be done to focus on the linguistics it's fine. Macedonian variants being added for comparison is a good idea, but I must admit I am confused about the orthography being used for the dialectal words. I think we (everybody) can actually get somewhere with this article :) BalkanFever 10:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Bulgarian contributors don't speak one bit English and their Macedonian is appalling, you can't communicate with them because they're retarded, backward and underdeveloped. Oh, wait. But yeah, sucks to be Bulgarian in this world of united Macedonia from Tokyo to London :) By the way, the Bulgarian language would stretch up to Korçë to the west and the Haliacmon to the south, so Florina (Lerin? Irredentist! :P) isn't really where it ended. Propagandalf to death!

Now, face the facts and get to understand that life isn't as cool as you'd like it to be. People in modern northern Greece don't speak your language and neither do they speak ours: whether you call them Bulgarian or Macedonian, those dialects are next to dead. It's like two jackals contesting a cadaver. No point in calling for revert squad reinforcements over a cadaver, right?

Quit the generalizations and leave the stereotypes behind, then we can talk. It's very sad that purely Macedonian dialects in Greece and Bulgaria (pardon?) suddenly become transitional, but life's hard :S Todor→Bozhinov 11:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Aha, aha, yet you speak our language as "native". Right. Thanks for explaining linguistics, world geography and the meaning of life to me, Dr. High School dropout. Really, you're like Jesus (Template:Lang-bg) but better. BalkanFever 11:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Your language is my language too. I respect the fact that the Macedonian literary form has been codified on a Serbian typewriter and stuffed with Serbian loanwords, but it's probably closer to the standard Bulgarian literary form than Banat Bulgarian, which I speak and write less natively than Macedonian :) Really bad guesses about my qualifications and likeness to Jesus though. All the best, Todor→Bozhinov 14:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

So you haven't dropped out yet and you suck compared to Jesus. Good to know. BalkanFever 14:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

As a Greek I'm probably in no position to ask, but I will anyway. Why do Bulgarians even want these guys to belong to them so badly? I don't see how any future incorporation into Bulgaria of the even poorer Vardarska will benefit them in any meaningful way. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it's not all of them, only the retards. BalkanFever 14:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The way I see it, if Montenegrin can be its own bloody language, good luck to you. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, no more yellow bars for today. BalkanFever 15:01, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

First, we all suck compared to Jesus, I hope Fever isn't utterly offended :P Second, I'm not an irredentist and I respect everyone's right to self-determination. I'm just asking them to respect our common history because denial and propaganda lead to nowhere. Whether the Most Serene Republic is poor or not is their own problem, that's for them to solve, we have our own problems too, although not as severe. To be honest, the best and only solution would be this one which Fever also supports, but it need not come wholeheartedly and unconditionally. In order for that to happen, the Most Serene Republic will have to quit the propaganda (per Bulgaria's request) and adopt a better name (per Greece's request). EU membership is a catharsis for this country: will they leave anti-Bulgarianism behind and join us in united Europe or will they live on isolated in their imaginary Yugoslavian fairy tale while being overtaken as the dominant ethnicity by a growing secessionist population? Todor→Bozhinov 15:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

When did Macedonia become San Marino? Seriously though, leave the bar alone. BalkanFever 15:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Max/Ip 84

is getting, annoying, right?--Jakezing (talk) 12:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Damn right. BalkanFever 12:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

first it was avala; though that atleast went through some of the rules, then tocino, now we have somebody SUPPORTING the kosovars that is annoying... what next?--Jakezing (talk) 12:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Never really payed enough attention to whether the others were annoying, but the next one will probably end up being me, just because I will have stopped caring what I reply to.... ;) BalkanFever 13:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please no personal attacks.84.134.118.38 (talk) 14:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, don't waste my time with Macedonia. The next time you add something it better be completed recognition, not some more crap. BalkanFever 14:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say such things?84.134.118.38 (talk) 15:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Because you are annoying and don't understand anything I say. BalkanFever 02:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm understanding everything and I'm definitely NOT annoying! Please don't call me that!84.134.124.82 (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll stop calling you annoying when you stop doing annoying things. This includes creating more sections about Macedonia in regards to recognition of Kosovo when nothing has changed. It also includes whining about non-existent "personal attacks", and how much you "are understanding". If you stop that, I don't think I'll have any reason to call you annoying. BalkanFever 13:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

And why I'm doing this? What do you think? Because some stupid people here treat me bad. And please read the sources again, therv are news! 84.134.123.210 (talk) 14:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

They might qualify as "news" for some, but not here. You really need to listen to (read) what people are saying (writing) about your "updates", and try to improve, rather than assuming that they are stupid and they hate you. BalkanFever 14:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

He called me stupid... thats a violation of WP:NPA, as was his edit to this page where he called me a racist.--Jakezing (talk) 12:47, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to follow it up, you could go to WP:ANI or WP:WQA... BalkanFever 12:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

September 2008

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Greece situates partially in Asia

The source, which shows that Greece situates partially in Asia: Around the world: Countries that exist wholly or partially within geographical Europe, inter alia From the Black Sea coast, the geographical border of Europe passes through the deepest parts of the Black Sea to the mouth of the Bosphorus; on through the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara and the Dardanelles to the Aegean Sea; through the deepest parts of the Aegean Sea to the Mediterranean and around to the Straits of Gibraltar. The line through the Aegean Sea divides the Greek Islands between continental Europe and continental Asia.
--WPK (talk) 13:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

possible new revert war on the horizon where else if not on the Macedonia (disambiguation) page

] 01/10/08 someone has re-placed a geografical region infront of an independent state in the Macedonia (disambiguation) page. you can use like a refference Luxembourg (disambiguation), Ireland (disambiguation), Karelia (disambiguation) where the disambiguated terms are stated in order of importance, e.g. first states, than regions etc. Can you take a look plz, tnx Alex Makedon (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Just look at the consensus from (last edit in September) in the history to find the answer. BalkanFever 01:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Which template did you subst? BalkanFever 11:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Arrogance and irony won't help, why don't you seriously consider your behaviour in Misplaced Pages instead?--   Avg    11:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to know which template, because it seems quite handy. If you don't want to tell me, then fine. BalkanFever 12:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Please moderate your language

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OK. BalkanFever 13:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Request assistance Macedonian article

i wanted to organize the information on the Macedonian article, and have encountered some pretty strong and (according to me) unresonable resistance. Can you objectively assist the article modification. thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you take a look plz, its the second time i make an argumented constructive modification of the article, according to agreements and suggestions discussed on the talk page, that are reverted with no other reasons stated than "there is no consensus" (in other words i dont like your edit). thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 11:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow I never noticed this section until now. Weird. There's not much I can do due to time constraints, and I'm tired of arguing anyway. ChrisO will be able to help with consensus/disputed info and editing the protected page...BalkanFever 11:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, tnx Alex Makedon (talk) 11:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Frustration

Thanks for advice on talk page, but there is no point. My block has ended before I have noticed blocking.

I am frustrated with User:Don Luca Brazzi and answers from wiki administrators which are part of article discussion. We are going toward 3rd RFC because of new user edit warring in Balkan related articles (all his edits are edit warring). Even his edit warring against consensus is going without "award"....--Rjecina (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo

From Talk:International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo

Before you go, are you happy with the decision? What does the proverbial average man on the street have to say about it? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I don't care much for Kosovo itself, I care about the consequences of this for Macedonia. Most non-Albanian Macedonians are probably against recognition of what they would consider a secessionist-terrorist entity, so the proverbial man might be frustrated. I don't understand how this could in any way have benefits though. Serbian wrath may well be felt soon enough. Crappy choice of neighbours I guess. BalkanFever 10:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hehe we know the feeling, trust me. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 10:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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I took the liberty of substing this template. In future, write your own message. It could just be a link, I don't care, but don't patronise me with this >incivility removed due to continual complaints< BalkanFever 21:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If I had to write a new message every time you called somebody to f*ck off or a scumbag, or a filthy dog, it'd took forever. --Laveol 10:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Hardy har har har har. Mnogo smyashno. Maybe you should find something useful to do, Abby. BalkanFever 10:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You can't help it, can you? If you're not calling someone names, you'll try your sarcasm on him to see if it has the same result. Is this the only way? To be honest I'm tired of all this as are at least 5-6 other editors. Yes, I'm annoyed cause I don't think this is polite and a proper way of communicating with others. Content disputes are not a reason to act uncivil. They're just not. If someone has different views than you, it doesn't automatically mean he's a bad man or all the stuff you call him. Why can't you understand that? And, no, I'm not "bating" you to continue with this as I want it to end. And, frankly, I think you're smarter than that. --Laveol 15:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I use sarcasm. So what? There are tons of way more sarcastic users on wiki. It's not a content dispute Laveol, that's what you don't understand. It is a fact that Sarievski wrote the song. Yes, based slightly on a Bulgarian song. Read the "origins" section. The quote is in direct contradiction to the anon's story. The intro doesn't even make sense any more. Which people and which Macedonia? Obviously the SFRY and RoM (and SRoM), because Serbs and Croats sing it, calling it a Macedonian song. Add to that, he's been creating SPAs since April with names like "lolski" and "fyromski" and has been reverted by FP and anti-vandalism bots. And the guy who blocked me is conveniently away, so this "contributor" can continue wrecking the encyclopaedia. Do you see why I use sarcasm? BalkanFever 00:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey buddy,

What's up? How are you? Beam 03:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine. Blocked, but fine. How (and where) have you been? BalkanFever 03:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Good, and here and there (but not here). Oh and I'm pleased to see you haven't changed a bit! Beam 06:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

tsiraki

means loyal follower(with bad sense) and neither collaborator nor political tool. I guess babblefish played games with FP --Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 09:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

OK then...BalkanFever 09:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Aegean Macedonia

Its pretty unclear how is it possible that undocumented personal preferences and POV can influence and have an important role in the articles. Im refering to the Republic of Macedonia aricle, this in particular where just to "calm down" the vandals, or in other words just to suit vandals, important documented and verified information (by encyclopedia Britannica)about Aegean and Pirin Macedonia was deleted. best regards Alex Makedon (talk) 10:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Ej, ne možat site "bitki" da se pobedat. Kaži mi, kakva važna informacija izbrišav jas? Navistina ima li tolku vrska? Takvi ureduvački borbi se dosadni. Ova ti e služba, bidejkji verojatno ako toa prodolžilo kje go imaš kršeno praviloto. Pozdrav BalkanFever 10:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Just for everybody to know - there's nothing here that needs translating. --Laveol 18:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Bold thingy

1 there is no evidence that its a common way to refer to the Macedonians (ethnic group) by Slav Macedonians,

2 Macedonians (ethnic group)often consider a pejorative and offensive the term Slav Macedonian: "However, the current use of "Slavomacedonian" in reference to both the ethnic group and the language, although acceptable in the past, can be considered pejorative and offensive by some ethnic Macedonians" International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights and here ] Alex Makedon (talk) 11:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not disputing what you say; you can have the bolding argument with the others. It's too WP:LAME for me to waste time on. I'm simply saying that if it's not in bold you put it in quotation marks, so that it is proper English. BalkanFever 05:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, fair enough Alex Makedon (talk) 09:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Athens News Agency

Do you consider Athens News Agency as inaccurate? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Not in and of itself, but when it comes to the Republic of Macedonia, Greek sources have a history of getting things wrong. See the Panama sections of the talk page there to see what I mean. I'm sure ANA would be a great for something like Greece's position at International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo‎, but for bilateral relations between two foreign countries, not so much. BalkanFever 09:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

IBAN

SWIFT controls the IBAN and it uses FYRM designation. See http://www.swift.com/index.cfm?item_id=58407 Sorry, but that is how it is.--Tom (talk) 14:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

mk-wiki

Hey Balkan, are you ever active over at mk-wiki? They've really gone crazy enough to create an article, mk:Старомакедонска_азбука, about that ridiculous "decipherment" of the Rosetta Stone as "Macedonian", apparently presenting the whole thing as undisputed fact. Incredible. Could you help me find out how to start a deletion process over there? I have my doubts if it will succeed, but I really can't let this stand unchallenged, it throws a very very bad light on the legitimacy of the whole project over there in terms of allegiance to NPOV, in my view. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's no XFD process there because there's no overwhelming need for one; only a deletion template (kind of like our csd ones here). You could say something at the Village pump to get input, or go directly to admin Brainmachine. As for NPOV, I think you're smarter than to expect much from any Balkan Misplaced Pages. Have fun. BalkanFever 03:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

revert war on the horison over a see also link O.o

Hi, can you take a look we have a talk page consensus and your positive opinion, about keeping the link List of homonymous states and regions reference, still hordes of lame Greek reverteditors keep reverting and deleting this link with NO arguments, the link was reverted 4 times the last 12 hours, and I repeat with no arguments. Can you do something about this or should we assume that the lame Greek POVeditors Hegemony in WIkipedia is absolute, so the non lame greek editors better spend their time elsewhere? thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 13:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Either way, really. I don't see any harm in adding it to the see also. If they're going tag-team on you, it's because they want you to break 3RR so they can report you and you can get blocked. So leave it if you have to. BalkanFever 05:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Infact I dont intend to engage into useless revert wars, thats why i ask for admin assistance, im sure there is something to be done (vandalism-disruptive editing warning/ban)in order to keep the inforamtion on the page and not enter in to edit wars.Alex Makedon (talk) 09:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't want to get him blocked. I want him to stop reinserting his OR into the article. So what if there is an Azerbaijan and an Azerbaijan (Iran)? It's the same bloody people on either side of the border, and not comparable to Macedonia in the slightest. How about we add, as Nikos suggested, a list of places that do disambiguate from the original toponym: Mexico and New Mexico, York and New York, Caledonia and New Caledonia, et cetera ad nauseam? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to add also a list of places that do disambiguate from the original toponym feel free to do so, still since its a fact that Republic of Macedonia shares its name with the region its place is on the List of homonymous states and regions and its important to add this under see also, there is no place for "so what" talks. Alex Makedon (talk) 11:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

lol as if had to do anything with the approven link, the WP:GAME will not help. Alex Makedon (talk) 11:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Jag är approven. Vad är det du antyder? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 11:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Discuss this on your own talk pages. BalkanFever 00:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Дали ти можеш да го додадеш овој линк на страната со оглед дека ја поддржуваш идеата? Ако јас продолжам да го додавам овој линк на страната, иако се е супер аргументирано и нема никакви контрааргументи, сепак ке биде веднаш сменето а во крајна линија ке испаднам јас крив т.е. бануван. Балгодарам Alex Makedon (talk) 11:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece

An article you may be interested in, Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece. Thank you. PMK1 (talk) 11:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't

But I am going to try to find something more about this dictionary. Do you have Aromanian roots by any chance? My family, on my fathers side, is vlach speaking and I am most interested in the subject myself--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I would hardly call it phihellenic. The way I see it philhellenism was quite a different thing. It is particularly interesting though in relation to the emergence of Balkan identities, and the perceptions of ethnicity. I am aware of the link you provided but thanks for taking the trouble of reminding it. I was hoping to find the paper mentioning the dictionary and maybe some more excerpts. I tried Anemi (an excellent source) but to no avail. Right now Jingby seems to be somehow obsessed with pasting it everywhere. Basically, I don't disagree as long as it is integrated organically in the articles rather than arbitrarily and somewhat erratically as seems to be the case so far. P.S. What comments?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, unfortunately I found nothing through my internet resources... If I happen to trace something I' ll send it ASAP. Youtube comments! LOL! I couldn't care less about Youtube comments--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Macedonian language naming dispute

An article you may be interested in, Macedonian language naming dispute, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Macedonian language naming dispute. Thank you. Alex Makedon (talk) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Pozdrav

Hey, thanks for the welcome :) It's good to see some Macedonian editors here and that it's not all one-sided. Cheers Bruka (talk) 06:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Cyrillic letters in IPA

I've started a try in Talk:List of Cyrillic letters. Please give comments. --✉ Hello World! 19:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you have a word with ΚΕΚΡΩΨ about his recent disruptive editing

He has been adding the Greek Language among the languages spoken in Macedonia in a total of 7 times up till now. We have some pretty strong evidence that the language is not spoken in Macedonia, at least not in a significant number: European Council , United Nations , Britannica encyclopedia , BBC Educational , Eupedia . This has been backed up by many editors also. The only lame arguments this user uses to support this fantomatic language minority is this web page and even here the Greek it is not clearly stated among the languages of Macedonia. "The number of languages listed for Macedonia is 9." Non of them is Greek. Can you have a word with him about his recent disruptive editing and vandalism on the Republic of Macedonia page. Thank you Alex Makedon (talk) 19:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not like he listens to me. What could I say that hasn't already been said? BalkanFever 01:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What is there to say? That any mention of the Greek or Bulgarian minorities clashes head-on with your ethnic nationalism? Nobody cares, though I must admit that watching you get hysterical over the non-kosher minorities while demanding recognition of the "Macedonian" minorities in neighbouring states is rather amusing. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 02:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What are you doing right now? Demanding "recognition" of 400 Greeks in my Macedonia and denying the existence 10-30,000 ethnic Macedonians in your Macedonia. Ease off on the spanakopita, Adolphos. BalkanFever 05:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)