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Greater Syria

Hi, why did you change the arabic Wilayas to Vilayets? AreaControl (talk) 22:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Because we're talking about Ottoman provinces not Arab ones (vilayet is Turkish). Anyway, potato potato. HD1986 (talk) 01:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Aslim Taslam

WP:Overcategorization is no basis for nominating an article for deletion. Further, your addition of {{prod}} was improper as the article had already been considered at AfD and kept as having no consensus to delete. Please re-nominate for deletion via AfD if you feel so strongly about it - as you state on the article's talk page where you "demand the deletion of this article". --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 20:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

(response) The deletion policy passage refers to the deletion of categories, not the deletion of articles, which is what we are talking about here. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 20:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh really?! This is funny. Let's read together:

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Is my English not good enough? HD1986 (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

You refer to overcategorization. Deletion on the grounds of overcategorization only applies to categories. The article that you are opposed to existing and have nominated for deletion is an article, not a category. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Then maybe you should work with my earlier suggestion and edit the page, because it talkes about deleting pages. HD1986 (talk) 03:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Transliteration

Hi HD1986, you seem to be editing the arabic romanizations on various articles (changing el to ad, Homat to Ħumāt). These words are the english spellings - what you are adding is an accurate transliteration (eg Ħumāt) a transliteration was already provided in the first sentance. We don't write the transliteration of arabic throughout - we use the English spelling Homat el Diyar. AreaControl (talk) 09:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Arabic doesn't use the Latin alphabet but has its own 28-character Arabic alphabet. To write anything Arabic in Latin alphabet would be transliteration. Since literary Arabic doesn't have an O vowel, confusing O for U is a common mistake among humbly-educated speakers of Arabic. Please refrain from involving yourself again in things you know nothing about so I don't have to waste my time explaining things to you. Don't undo me again until you know what you're doing first. Thank you. HD1986 (talk) 22:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I said accurate transliteration. Do not be so confontational - there is little need. Now, how do you think we would spell the world simplest way in latin alphabet: Homat. Easy. Ħumāt = not so simple. That's why we have the detailed translit as well. Why does it need to be an absolutely accurate transliteration with all the accents and the bells and whistles - we're getting English speakers to read a word with some idea of the Arabic pronunciation (SOME idea). Whether literary Arabic has an O vowel is barely important since we are romanizing in the most simple way we can . That's my view anyway - you should see how some editors "accurately" transliterate Korean because some letter doesn't exist in the Korean alphabet. Just make it simple who cares if it's not perfectly accurate it should be understandable and for me a letter covered with symbols "Ħ" isn't simple. So perhaps I am a "humbly-educated" Air Traffic Controller in English speaking airspace - I speak English, I speak Arabic. I do not translate accurately between the two nor am I a scholar of their alphabets - which makes me perfect to remark upon the "unsimplicity" (yes I know that isn't a word) of your translit. AreaControl (talk) 20:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

By the way, which English speaker is going to search for your spelling - none, it is not simple enough. AreaControl (talk) 20:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I have moved it back to Homat el Diyar per Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English). This is the English Misplaced Pages and Internet searches indicate this name is much more common in English. If you still think it should be moved to something else then please follow the procedure at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves to see what others think. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to the existance of the transliteration "Ħumāt ad-Diyār"? I couldn't find any source with Google but it may be due to search engine limitations. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually I'm only doing all these edits out of generosity, as I am not gaining anything back. But thankfully, encountering such idiocy makes me realize how I'm wasting my time here, and that I should be doing something better. My explenation above is more than enoung to make anyone understand, so I'm not adding anything more. I already explained that Arabic doesn't have an O vowel and that "Homat" is actualy "Humat," but written this way due to Latin-letter confusion by some semi-illiterate Arabs. Yet they come and change it again ... go read something please, I'm not wasting a second teaching you anymore. HD1986 (talk) 21:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

We are all volunteers and many of us have done far more here than you. I have read something, including Misplaced Pages naming conventions and Google search results: . Editors often disagree about what is "correct" but we have naming conventions designed to help our English speaking readers find what they are looking for. And please be civil. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for toning down your post. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome HD1986 (talk) 20:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Gibran

Hello HD1986

I'm not disputing the fact tha Gibran is Lebanese or from modern day Lebanon. It is just that in an encyclopedia such as Misplaced Pages you have to stick to objectivity and historial accuracy. There was no such thing as Lebanon when Gibran was born. The first people calling themselves "SYRIAN" were from Beirut and Damascus in the 1850's! So people like the 'Lebanese" Boutrus al bustani was one of the founding fathers of syrian nationalism. You want to mention that he's lebanese, fine..I'm not touching that..check the nationality part...I never substituted lebanese for syrian...BUT mr HD1986...but when it comes to his birth and speaking about the late 19th century and the early 20 century..you can't use an entity that did not exist at that time...I think we need to nominate the gibran page for semi-protection, to prevent the ignorant (usually lebanese) IP users who keep vandalizing the page...some of the lebanese IP users ..they don't like gibran's political philosophy ..so they delete the whole section...LOL....that's classic POV.....so whenever talking about Lebanon from 1850 to 1920 you have to say modern day lebanon to differentiate it from Ottoman occupied Syria...look at the israel/Palestine articles all jews born before 1948 have the name Palestine listed as their birthplace...because before 1948 Israel did not exist.George Al-Shami (talk) 22:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

OK ... good luck with that mission ...HD1986 (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability of O generation of vipers

A tag has been placed on O generation of vipers requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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What is it about the fact that Christianity was not a separate religion during Jesus' lifetime that you fail to understand?

AnonMoos (talk) 20:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually I understand well that Christianity was invented by Paul and that if Jesus himself had the chance to read the current Christian creeds he would be very surprised to find his name in them. I just didn't want to hurt your feelings by reffering to that. Anyway, the problem has been fixed now. HD1986 (talk) 22:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You seem to understand rather little -- there's no ascertainable evidence that Christianity was commonly considered a separate religion from Judaism until at least the time of the 1st Jewish revolt and the fall of the Temple (ca. 66-70 A.D.). Furthermore, Jesus was not notably proselytizing (in the ordinary meaning of the word) in Matthew 12, but he was accusing the Jewish leadership of the time -- the word "Pharisees" appears in verses 12:2, 12:14, 12:24, 12:38, etc.

And please don't remove the PrimarySources template again -- in this context, Matthew 12:34 is a primary source, and so doesn't fully comply withn Misplaced Pages sourcing policies (WP:PRIMARY), particularly with respect to interpretations of the Biblical verse or phrase. AnonMoos (talk) 13:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

tag

Thanks for the tip HD1986, but if you look at the edits of jayjig and other Zionist editors, you'll be amazed at the sheer volume of their edits. 20-30 edits a day suggests that they are definitely paid. And what bothers me the most is that almost every article on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict seems to be hijacked by them. For instance jayjig has no problem calling the Egyptian and Jordanian control of Gaza and the West Bank as an 'occupation' but has problems calling the illegal Israeli invasion of Southern Lebanon an 'occupation; unbelievable! And all the sources that he provides are Zionist..for example Daniel Pipes, Richard Perle, Woflowitz..LOL!I think we need to stick to introducing irrefutable credible soucres that would contradict what they're saying. I'm not giving up for the syrian military presence in lebanon article, because what I'm arguing already has a precedent, and is backed up historical facts; such as Syria receiving 2 mandates to enter Lebanon and Syria credited with ending the war and disarming all the militias. anyways continue the battle, don't let their extreme paid POV assertions stop you. And tell that Hertz that calling the UN "biased" is his opinion, it's not a fact. Whereas international law is a fact. And his POV argument can also be contracdicted by arguing that UN is biased to Israel because it was the institution that created the very state of Israel. Cheers! and keep editing don't let them stop you.George Al-Shami (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Golan Heights

I do not appreciate the political talk on the discussion page and its results in the article itself. The article is supposed to describe facts on the ground, not wishful thinking from this side or another. I knew it was only a matter of time before this article stirred a political debate, but Misplaced Pages is not the UN and our task is not to find a phrasing which is a diplomatic compromise, but a phrasing which accurately describes the facts. DrorK (talk) 15:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Drork, the version of the "facts" you advocated was that Golan Heights are part of Israel! HD1986 is a useful contributor in my view as he will challenge much of what is taken for granted and keep the article factually sound AreaControl (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

How do you know a certain territory is part of one country and isn't part of another? Here are some criteria: (1) How do I get there? In order to get to the Golan Heights one needs to enter Israel and catch an Israeli bus. Getting into Syria won't help. (2) Can people pass freely between the territory and the certain country? People can pass freely between the Golan and Israel. People cannot pass freely between Syria and the Golan. BTW, when Jordan claimed the West Bank, it allowed more-or-less free passage for its citizens between Jordan and the WB, even though it was under Israeli control. (3) Where do the territory's residents work? Where do they pay their taxes? Which law do they follow? All Golan residents, not only the Jewish ones, work as if they were Israelis, pay taxes to Israel and follow the Israeli law. Some like it this way, some don't, but that's reality. I explained these facts again and again on the talk page, but certain people insist that the Golan is part of Syria because that suits better their political views. 14:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drork (talk • contribs)

Drork, bro, I've been trying not to comment on your talk so I don't sound like I'm attacking you. You have to realize that your unique system of thought doesn't apply to all people (it's doesn't apply to most people). People have invented some bothersome concepts like law, right, civility, morals, and so on of such crap. These days, if a thief stole a house and sat in it, most people wouldn't consider him the owner of the house. I know, it sounds crazy, but guess what, we're in 2008 and people DO care about law and justice you freak. HD1986 (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Let me tell you that you've come to the wrong place. If your idea is to advocate that Israel steals lands, and that Israelis are people who violate the World's law and order, I believe Misplaced Pages is not the proper place to do so. Anyone who read the article about the Golan Heights before you edited it could understand very clearly that Syria regards the Golan Heights as part of its territory and that many countries and international organizations support it in its claim. However, you want to go further as to write this claim in the article as if it were a fact. Apparently you cannot tell a fact from a claim or an opinion. It is also quite clear that you don't make this edits out of a will to put forth more useful information, but to make political statements. This is not right. DrorK (talk) 01:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

North Syrian Arabic

Hi, I wasn't suggesting by my comment "article needs sources" that you should delete what you had written. Only that (over time), it would be good to provide support in reliable sources for that content, which looks good.... --macrakis (talk) 19:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Actually I've been working on a site about Syrian Arabic, and I was feeling bad because I added the information in this article and in the Levantine Arabic article. I'd rather have people coming to my personal site than to WP. HD86 (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Imaala

Where did I get the word imāla? I studied Arabic at Harvard 33 years ago. Imāla is a standard term, mentioned in all the standard grammars etc. of Arabic. I don't quite understand your question. --macrakis (talk) 16:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Accusations of vandalism

Please do not accuse good-faith editors of vandalism. As Misplaced Pages:Tendentious editing (a good essay overall, by the way) says:

Content disputes are not vandalism. Misplaced Pages defines vandalism very carefully to exclude good-faith contributions. Accusing other editors of vandalism is uncivil unless there is genuine vandalism, that is, a deliberate attempt to degrade the encyclopedia, not a simple difference of opinion

You might also want to review Misplaced Pages:Civility. --macrakis (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Your claims of "stalking"

HD86, I am not stalking you. I am editing your writing. If you do not want your writing to be edited, you should not be writing on Misplaced Pages. As for:

I've noted that you tend to remove rather significant information from articles with very little justification.

I'd be interested to know what you consider "rather significant information". Are you referring to the mention of the preposition "bi-" in the Bet (letter) article? Articles about letters do not normally include mentions of related words or morphemes; for example, the article on the Latin letter I does not refer to the fact that I is the first-person singular personal pronoun in English.

I've witnessed you doing that at least thrice. Please refrain from deleting information based on what appears to be no more than personal whims.

It's not a matter of personal whim. My reasoning is explained in the edit summaries.

Do not change the complete Arabic transliteration I provide to other shortened versions anymore; do not remove pertinent information from articles any more; and read these very well Misplaced Pages:STALK#Wikistalking Misplaced Pages:Civility.

If you really think that all Arabic words should be cited with 'i`rab, I think you have an uphill battle. If you really think this is a good idea, perhaps you could propose on Talk:Qur'an that the article be moved to al-qur'anu. I don't think you will have much success. --macrakis (talk) 23:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You seem to not have a clear understanding of transliteration. An atcile's title is not usually an accurate transliteration of the foreign word, it is usually just an Anglicized version of the word. HD86 (talk) 04:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

You seem not to understand scholarly conventions for citing Arabic words in English text. --macrakis (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Sati al-Husri

Ya HD, at wikipedia (ENGLISH) we follow the naming conventions that are more common in (ENGLISH) sources. And the reason why Sati al-Husri is more common than al-Husari is because for most people that is how it is pronounced and thus that is how it is mentioned in english literature. A more accurate transliteration (with standard phonetic spelling) should be included in the article. It's not (zaka) it is just common sense, just like we call "Caesar" in Arabic Qaysar.. every language has a common pronunciation that has developed historically of a certain word, and thats what we use at wikipedia. Happy editing, --Yazan (talk) 18:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Your Stupidity

The Assyrians are not extinct you incompetent bigoted fool. You lack all things historical you impotent maggot. The Assyrians have existed for over 6500 years you incumbent animal. The Assyrians first spoke Akkadian and in the 8th century the kings of Assyria chose Aramaic as the lingua franca of their mighty empire you extinct ape. We have simultaneously existed throughout the ancient era up until the present day you rotten corpse. We were the first nation to accept Christianity and the Assyrian Church of the East spread as far as China and Japan and India in the 6th century AD you degenerate dog. The Assyrians have been and will always continue to exist through persecution and Diaspora you maggot. The aramaena peoples are an extinct pseudo people who never existed since the Assyrians destroyed their kingdom and reduced it to a vassal state you mongrel. This Aramean Syriac name is a name created by radical separatists who deny their ethical heritage since the late 1980s you snake. The Assyrians speak modern Aramaic the Aramaic in which Christ spoke 2 thousand years ago you uneducated mule. Your statements lack depth in all facets; they are unencylcopediatic, unsourced, close minded, uneducated, mentally degenerate comments that seek to downsize the most ancient people down to nothing. You claim that this name was invented by some new comers almost a hundred years ago, this comment alone shows how completely incompetent you are. I have documents that are hundreds of years old that have been passed down through my family over the centuries that specifically speak about the Assyrians and how this name is far more ancient then simple minded people like you claim. This will be the only comment I will make for you because I will not waste my time speaking to a mentally degenerate pig such as yourself who is a denialist, racist, and complete bigot and a distorter of history who denies the race of the Assyrians exist. I will pray every day that you may you die a most horrible death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.65.244 (talk) 00:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• Luuulzzz! Creative. FunkMonk (talk) 01:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

No Legal Threats

Hi. User:Macrakis left a note on the Administrators' noticeboard for incidents (see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#HD86 legal threats) which indicated that you'd made apparent legal threats with this edit. On review, it appears that he's correct.

Please review our policy on legal threats. These are not acceptable on Misplaced Pages. They are damaging to the community spirit and ability to discuss issues constructively. Any further legal threat like comments will result in your account being blocked from editing until you understand and acknowledge and agree to abide by the policy.

I hope that you will review the policy and operate properly within it from now on without any need for restrictions. It's really just better for everyone if you discuss topics politely and with respect for others. Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 03:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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