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Nationalists

I'm not a checkuser; Blnguyen is. Only he can find out whether the IPs have been used by another user. bibliomaniac15 03:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Shame on you.

You've been still following me and now falsely accusing me of being the banned user, Appleby (talk · contribs) at the Nihonjoe's talk page? You know I changed my name due to the misconception by Japanese POV pushers. And you're also using the same one to make yourself look better just like hoe (dish). You believe yourself is a good and constructive editor, but this only says a different story. Look at your contribution history today, you're shadowing my edits. Why are you chasing me? If you have some dignity, do not follow me any more.--Caspian blue (talk)

Sorry, maybe I'm wrong. I recalled User:Visviva or someone asking you about the fact that you were adding Korea-related photos from a Commons account that had that name, and you said, "Yes, that is my account." Badagnani (talk) 04:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this is that comment in which you admit to maintaining such a Commons account. Badagnani (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

This is the Commons account. Badagnani (talk) 04:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

And there's another one with a similar username here. Badagnani (talk) 04:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you asked about following you. I don't do that, as you know, but I do edit Korean food and music related articles. I find that in about 80% of the cases you introduce grammatical errors into those articles when you add new content (although the content you add is usually excellent). So it's important that a native English speaker fix those, because this is an encyclopedia, and one in the English language, so we just can't have articles written in "broken English." Apparently you edit other Korea-related articles, on political topics, and I don't have much interest in those, and thus don't edit them. I hope this makes sense. Badagnani (talk) 04:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I visited to Visviva for the frame and you still are using it. I said to him Applebee at Commons and Korean Misplaced Pages are my accounts not Appleby. Is English your native language? I still hold my account at Korean Misplaced Pages since I like the name after Applebee's and with the name I could join in Misplaced Pages. I don't need to change my name there just unlike here. It is so true that you've has been following me per Yeongeunmun Gate, Liancourt Rocks, Seongdong-gu, and many others which are improbable except your wiki-stalking me. Those are off from your interests, and whenever our conflicts are increased, you always extend to shadow my every edits. So your defensive comment does not make any sense and you know I was very kind to you until I realized that Melon, Christopher, Jeremy and others' analysis on you are so correct and your original research degraded the quality of articles. I do not wish to work with you any more. If copy-editing is necessary, I would ask other editors, not you. So do not follow me any more.--Caspian blue (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I see; so you're saying that you so admired another editor named "Appleby," that you chose to make a Commons user account named "Applebee" (a slightly different spelling from "Appleby") in homage to him/her? Is that right? If so, I didn't know that, and it's good to know. Regarding not wishing to communicate with me anymore, over the past year or so you have said that about five or six times, each time returning to my Talk page within minutes or hours. If you do choose to continue to write new articles, or add new text to articles, it would be best if you post the text to the article's discussion page first, so that native English speakers may check the grammar before the text is added to the article. Otherwise, I'll continue to assist in this manner--to keep our encyclopedia properly encyclopedic. Badagnani (talk) 04:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you really a native English speaker? What homage? I did not know that you can not differentiate Applebee's and Appleby. I did not know that your eye or other condition is not so good, why don't you wake up from your imagination or take a rest from the day? Per your very "rational behaviors" at Commons (but nobody understood why you did this), I try to understand you at best. You also constantly use socks. So you're also managing IPsocks. Why would I get a confirmation from you when I creates articles? Your absurd hidden remarks and false accusations as "blanking" are nothing but annoying to editors in good standing such as Christopher and Jeremy. Please remind your behaviors and consequences at Korean cuisine. That must be a good lesson, huh? --Caspian blue (talk) 05:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think if you liked that restaurant (Applebee's) you would have named yourself with the apostrophe S ('s) at the end. Badagnani (talk) 05:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

You know what? In East Asia the apostrophe s is omitted a lot when such franchise is introduced to there. McDonald's is called "McDonald" in South Korea so is Wendy's. The s' is almost omitted and my choice of the name is none of your business. Aside from the above wasteful conversation with you, my point is you must stop your wikistalking me. You will find your amusement elsewhere, not from me.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I see, ko:WP gives 맥도날드 (Maekdonardeu). That's very interesting; thank you for that information. Badagnani (talk) 05:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

If you believe I use sockpuppets, you should report me immediately, as the use of sockpuppets (or meatpuppets, for that matter) are not permitted at Misplaced Pages. I'm quite interested to know who you believe these sockpuppets to be. Badagnani (talk) 05:22, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm so amazed to see your illogical "evidences" from the above as accusing me of being the banned user. I said the simple thing. Using ips is considered "socks" even if someone forgets to log in or the contribution are not bad. I did not say that you're an abusive sockpuppeter but you "manage ipsocks" anyhow. That is not anything but saying the truth unlike you. Although I hate people using socks, I would not bother myself to report RFCU unless abusive socks are bugging me like Azukimonaka, and Saintjust. When I report RFCU (which results are almost always positive), I already figured out which IP he/she uses or what articles he/she edits. If you accuse somebody, you will be very diligent to grab correct "evidences". If you're become more disruptive, or uses socks abusively, well, you're very popular by many people including from not only native English speakers but also CJKV people, so why would I bother myself to spend my time on you at times? One thing clear is that you're still wikistaking me, and have a wonderful history with other editors, so good luck for your Wiki-life.--Caspian blue (talk) 05:45, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

It's so interesting that you have said again and again that you don't wish to interact with me, then you post again and again after that on my discussion page. I think if you're serious about it, you should follow through with your stated position. Badagnani (talk) 05:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Please read the RFC results

How can you look at the RFC comments and not believe that there is a consensus to remove that material? Please justify your belief that the consensus was to retain those sections. Kww (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Romanization of Korean

Hi, I think the information is lacking because the Romanization is largely rule-governed. (RR is basically phonemic, transcribing phonemes, while McC-R is basically phonetic, transcribing allophones.)

Korean phonology#Phonotactics has some details. Note however that there are two scenarios governing consonant clusters: not before a vowel (in isolation or before a consonant) and before a vowel. --Kjoonlee 02:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I missed your comment on 독립문. Sorry about that.

• 독 changes to 동 because of the following ㄹ.
• 립 changes to 님 because of the preceding ㅇ and because of the following ㅁ.

I've yet to see the rules described on the web, but you can see some of the results at b:Korean/Advanced Pronunciation Rules. --Kjoonlee 02:45, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. If they belong anywhere in article space, it would be the Korean phonology article IMHO. --Kjoonlee 03:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Buk

Thanks for your considered response, Badagnani. This is the reverse of many discussions over article naming, where everyone agrees what the topic should be, and there is contention over the best name. In this case, there is no dispute over the use of the title Buk, and the question is what should be covered in the article. Personally, I find that there's a strong need for an article about Korean traditional drums in general, including an overview of the many different types, and also a need for articles about specific instruments. There's no requirement at all that each of these articles correspond well to a specific word in Korean, and in fact, naming issues are far, far less important than content. Therefore, I suggest changing the approach towards this article. Let's break it into two articles, one about about Korean drums in general, and one specifically about traditional Korean barrel drums. Let the article titles be provisional, because we can easily adjust them later. I believe this is the clear and correct solution to the important issue of article content. Then, we will be left with the lesser question of naming, which should be decided with primary consideration for what's meaningful and convenient for English-speaking readers. Therefore, I will split the current Buk (drum) into Korean drum and Korean barrel drum. I will not touch Buk (drum) but would not be opposed to temporarily making it a disambiguation page. Discussions of the titles of the two articles would be fine at any time. It's perfectly fine if neither or both of them wind up with the title Buk after discussion; it's perfectly easy to disambiguate article titles. --Amble (talk) 03:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Waterboarding

Please stop inserting text without having a supporting reliable source and please stop reverting text deleted as OR until you have a reliable source per wp:or. See Talk Raggz (talk) 05:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You said "please use "Discussion" to propose, and develop consensus for deletions from a contentious article." Please read wp:consensus. Content disputes require consensus but editors are required to delete clear policy wp:or violations. I read the citation. I posted the text in Talk before deleting. Did you read this discussion? Perhaps you didn't understand that wp:consensus does not apply? No problem, no worries, all editors, myself included have done these things without realizing. Please now stop violating these policies. Please revert your revert error. Raggz (talk) 06:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You wrote: The proposition that the suffocation with water of a bound, inclined prisoner, as practiced by agents of the United States of America, is "noble," "not so bad," "less bad," "kinder," "gentler," etc., than such suffocation as practiced by agents of the 190+ other nations in the world seems to be fairly speculative, as if the editor proposing that this purported "special" U.S. version be privileged by minimizing the possible damage this form of torture might cause *hopes* or *wishes* that Americans wouldn't do something so horrible. Such a speculation seems more appropriate for a blog or other personal website, or perhaps some form of patriotic website. If, however, a notable individual has stated their belief in such a "special" U.S. version, if it is properly sourced, we could consider adding such a quote to the article. We do have the statements of several individuals (all U.S. Republican Party politicians or media commentators) who have expressed a similar opinion. Badagnani (talk) 20:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The article states that US waterboarding is supervised by a physician. As best as I can tell from the above, you feel that medical monitoring does not change the risks involved? Is my summary fair? If not, what did you really mean?

I don't understand your "American" issues, except that you appear to be unable to work with Americans?

I have expressed no "opinions" in the sense that you mean, while I certainly have a pov, I'm here to work with you to edit this article. We all agree that US waterboarding is medically supervised. Are we debating the morality of Americans or the risks of medically supervised wterboarding? I will only debate the risks of medically supervised waterboarding. The other is off-topic. Raggz (talk) 09:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

"war crimes against civilians" section of 2003 invasion of Iraq

I moved it to Second_Battle_of_Fallujah#White_phosphorus_usage. This was clearly indicated in my initial edit summary.WDW Megaraptor (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The International Criminal Court investigated this topic and their February 2006 report is on the Prosecutors web site. The ICC found a small number of war crimes that have all been prosecuted. I'm not certain if white pete was specifically looked at. May we agree that this impartial fact-finding is sufficient since all allegations were investigated and dismissed? Raggz (talk) 08:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

what text

what text? what articles? Hmains (talk) 01:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I put in a request for Wiki assistance with this matter. Hmains (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic group articles

Hi. In light of the failure to reach consensus at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Afghan British‎ I've suggested that there be a discussion of the various issues raised, here. Your input would be appreciated. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

How's This?

Instead of continuing the warring, would you agree to have the names that are improperly sourced (or completely unsourced) moved either to the talk page or commented out until (or if) the proper references can be found? If you want, you can do it yourself. Take a look at List of Austrian Americans or List of Brazilian Americans for an example of what the lists should be like. Clearly, not everyone who is born in the associated country has to be sourced, but the others do. If you agree, I will not move on to other lists without first contacting you. Bulldog123 (talk) 21:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

List of X-Americans

This is a formal and final warning. If I see you adding unsourced or poorly sourced material about living people again to the List of X-Americans articles, I will block you. Jayjg 03:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Badagnani please respond to Jayjg at his own talk page as well, otherwise he might miss the message. thanks! --Termer (talk) 04:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP#Categories

Re your edit on Mustapha Tettey Addy, please read the above-linked to policy before re-adding religion categories to biographies about living people. Specifically, they should only be included when (1) the subject publicly self-identifies with the belief in question AND (2) the subject's beliefs are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources. Thanks. Good Ol’factory 05:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!

The September 2008 WikiProject Films coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting seven coordinators to serve for the next six months from a pool of candidates. Additionally, we are keeping nominations open during the voting period, in case any additional editors wish to nominate themselves. Please vote here by September 28!

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 01:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No political ads please

RE -- enron loophole

I like Obama. But this is not the place for political advertising. It is also not the place to lie about Clinton. The primaries are over. And the Clinton hate needs to be canned. I tell the unvarnished truth in the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 and that article says that Clinton signed an Appropriations bill into law and that is the truth. Please do not reinstate the political campaign ad. If you have a live and credible source for the "Enron wrote the bill" claim then please use it. I will check back after a while and see what you have done with this.

Also the statement as it was written concerning how the law is implemented is simply wrong in the version I have replaced. Please do not revert this change.--The Trucker (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Vietnamese help

I'm currently in Vietnam until early October, so my net connection will be sporadic. I'll get back to your inquiries when I return from my trip. DHN (talk) 14:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages 0.7

Misplaced Pages 0.7 has selected these articles from WikiProject Ethnic groups. I'm gonna ask for a few of them to be rmvd from the list, and then try to improve the rest. Wanna help? Later Ling.Nut 03:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Math Rock

I notice you enjoy the discussion for the math rock page. You might also enjoy this article: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/feature.php?id=5305 --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.132.31 (talk • contribs)

I don't think the article was making a claim at explaining math rock's overall origins, but just that one scene's geographic influences. In the same way the math rock wiki pages has a St. Louis section a San Diego section, etc. the Northern California version would just be another pocket with its own distinct sound and origins, which is more the point of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.132.31 (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Lac Viet

Thanks for creating the Lac Viet page. It was long overdue.Sea888 (talk) 01:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

That's true. The hundred yue is also interwined with the myth of the fairy and sea dragon(100 egg part of the story). I'll just have to research a bit more. Thanks.Sea888 (talk) 04:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Korean and Japanese

Hey B- Thanks for the editing of my writing. It's pretty rusty, as Portuguese is my first language. My knowledge of Korean is terribly slim, and Japanese is nil. If you can help with Margaret Cho or Keisuke Kuwata, I think your specific talents would be specifically helpful in both cases! --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Accordion page

Hello Badagnani, I hope you are well. I just finished quite a bit of work on the accordion page, and I think it might be acceptable now. If you agree, perhaps you could remove the tag requesting more citations. Many thanks. Henrydoktorski (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Holiday (1990s band)

A tag has been placed on Holiday (1990s band), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page.

If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Misplaced Pages page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Jordan Timmins (talk) 17:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Stuart Saunders Smith

A tag has been placed on Stuart Saunders Smith requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Mo0 03:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Holes that are cavernous

To me hole implies that the opening passes through the object, which is not how the pastry look. I use cavernous to indicate that the inside of the pastry has large pockets of air which makes it look "cave-like" in same ways. You can see similar cave-like pockets in some french breads, in those cases I not sure I'll call them "holes" though. Sjschen (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

POV editors are back or Lurita Doan Page

I noticed some time ago that you dropped by the Lurita Doan talk page and commented on POV concerns there. I (along with others) tried to make some NPOV edits to reflect what was reported and verifiable in the mainstream media. However, there is now an editor re-writing Doan's controversial history as GSA chief and the Hatch Act troubles that dogged her (as with many other Bush appointees). Many of the edits are essentially a revert of what was there last year when the article was parodied by the Washington Post.

I was hopeful that you might spend some time, in the near future, on a return-trip to the Doan article and have a look around. Thanks.--Happysomeone (talk) 19:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for stopping by. It appears a Wikipedian raising BLP concerns here is a "family friend" of the Doans by their own admission. While I certainly appreciate this person's candor, is this type of action appropriate? It reminds me of a similar situation where a BLP article was deleted for WP:OR, I believe, when it was discovered the author was the subject's husband. Thoughts? Please reply to my talk page. Thanks!--Happysomeone (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Oil

It looks that there is no clear answer to the 油 in soy sauce (much less oyster sauce). There's this: http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/37892548.html, which states that the word comes from having a oily gunk floating on to of the sauce. This one: http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/13583312.html tells about the various ancient types but little on why 油 is there. I can't find where I read the 油 is expressed liquids, and 酱 is blended mixes. Sjschen (talk) 18:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think in of just Cantonese origins. Judging by the many forms of 酱s and 油s (清酱、豆酱清、酱汁、酱料、豉油、豉汁、淋油、柚油、晒油、座油、伏油、秋油、母油、套油、双套油) the used/origin of 油 may be quite broad. The earliest recorded case of the term is in song dynasty by 林洪著 in the work "山家清供". Sjschen (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to. But right now busy writing grants and junk in real life so writing other (academic related) things in wiki will be slower. Feel free to throw the info into the article though. Sjschen (talk) 20:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Ahoy there. First of all, I want to mention that your improvements are everywhere. I see your name cluttering up the histories of so many pages, it's like you have a personal vendetta against poor formatting. You certainly are a blessing to the project. However, I notice a lot (most?) of your edits do not have edit summaries. While it's not required of course, it's always a good practice to use edit summaries as a courtesy to others (or so says me and Help:Edit summary, anyway). You probably already know this, so this is just a reminder. In any case, many thanks for your tireless work, Misplaced Pages is certainly better with you here. -kotra (talk) 22:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

hello

hello, I noticed you have been here awhile and also edit quite a few vietnam related articles so I thought you'd be a good source for info. if I'm annoying you please just ignore. I also want to help expand viet articles and pictures, but was just wondering about copyright rules and such. i've read through it but am still quite puzzled on some counts. basically, from what i've noticed, if I find a picture on flickr which is labelled as "some rights reserved" and when you follow that link you arrive at a "creative commons" page then you can upload that picture to wikipedia right? I just want to know so I dont violate any rules and have the picture removed. thank you!Dearlieusuck (talk) 19:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! So basically any of the options besides the 3 which state "non commercial" can be uploaded? That makes sense, it's just I'm only just now getting a grip on flickr..and also I guess that means that wikipedia is commercial? I thought it wasn't because it's free..anyway thanks again.Dearlieusuck (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Also one thing more: if it is clear that the picture on flickr is allowed to be uploaded to creative commons, do we necessarily have to comment to them to let them know we're using the picture first? or is it understood it can be used without even commenting?Dearlieusuck (talk) 21:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Your opinions

Hi there! There are some new troubles in the article of Chinese New Year now. If you don't mind so I hope you could give your opinions here. Thank you so much.Angelo De La Paz (talk) 02:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Xilamulun River -> Xar Moron River_Xar_Moron_River-2008-10-16T20:32:00.000Z">

Hi, I moved that page around a bit. If you think it's wrong, let's discuss on the article's talk page. Yaan (talk) 20:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)_Xar_Moron_River"> _Xar_Moron_River">

Paltrow

WP:BLP applies to categories too. Jayjg 04:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:Egypt is up and running

Misplaced Pages:EGYPT is up and running and we need lots of Collaboration. We are currently working on Cairo Metro as a Collaboration article and need as much help as possible. If u could come by and help out we would be greatly thankful. Please also collaborate online on #wikipedia-Egypt, where we can actively collaborate and discuss issues.

Perhaps reconsider

I encourage you to reconsider your statement in a current CfD. Starting a CfD is not "disruption", and I see no evidence that the nominator started the nomination to "prove a point" or anything of the like. To suggest that he be blocked is a bit extreme and probably violates WP:AGF unless you have some other proof of a dishonorable motive. Good Ol’factory 07:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Tag abuse

Please note that, as well as persisting in unconstructive editing, you are now up against “the three revert rule”. If you continue to belligerently abuse the {{Merge}} tag then you will be blocked from editing. —SlamDiego_←T 05:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Payne revisions

As you requested, I explained all of my recent edits...if you still have questions, please go back into the history and revert each edit you feel needs to be changed instead of throwing them all out at once -- from there, I'll be happy to discuss each one individually -- please try to follow my point, it's not the London Times story about the library (why do you think Waxman dropped it?) -- this is about our country's foreign policy under the control of hired guns -- I'm happy to work with you to make it better -- thanks!Polticaltexan (talk) 07:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I saw that you did another "mass revert" -- As you requested, I had already explained all of my recent edits (IN FACT YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO GO GET THAT EDUCATION INFO -- AND I DID AT A SMALL EXPENSE)...if you still have questions, please go back into the history and revert each edit you feel needs to be changed instead of throwing them all out at once -- from there, I'll be happy to discuss each one individually -- please try to follow my point, it's not the London Times story about the library (why do you think Waxman dropped it?) -- this is about our country's foreign policy under the control of hired guns -- I'm happy to work with you to make it better -- thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polticaltexan (talk • contribs) 06:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance on editing this article -- you and I have done 90% of the work on it...I understand your point that my edits reflect a possible WP:SPA, I'm new to Misplaced Pages and am fascinated by the implications of this story but I've been pretty clear that I think that this isn't just some bumbling "caught on tape" mtg. -- that this is a fairly big issue of our nation's foreign policy being conducted by hired guns -- I have tried to push this "underground foreign policy" with all of my edits -- and now feel that the article does that -- I think that the edits that I have made (and properly sourced) reflect a drift toward that (still neutral) pov that Payne isn't just some powerless fly by night looking for a library contribution, which was the original drift of the article -- I am interested in this article because of the vast implications that it could lead to, but I welcome anyone else to work with me to add to it as well -- this article shouldn't focus on an edited videotape asking for a library contribution -- it should focus on US foreign policy being conducted by "hired guns" with no or at least unknown authorization... which is a fascinating concept...

As you have properly pointed out. I have changed Payne's mother's name spelling to a different spelling and listed his highschool etc when those things are not in any "public" sources -- my point is that I have even paid a few dollars to find sources for this story as I may want to write an article on it at some point so I've done some independent research -- (and yes, you have pointed out that since this info can't be easily found on the web it must be removed -- I have no objection to that and have removed all "unsourced" info even when I found it in paid sources) (since I'm only considering writing something on this subject -- I'm not COI and I may never pursue it) I'm sorry that some feel that I have an WP:SPA, but I'm just interested in the concept. -- In my opinion, the article, as it stands right now, reflects both the viewpoint that Payne was caught on tape asking for library contributions AND that he has been doing alot of back room diplomacy as well...thank you for your assistance...Polticaltexan (talk) 06:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Phở

Perhaps you could make a larger edit to the article if you want to re-include the sentence about vegetarian variations. At the moment the article basically reads like "meat meat meat vegetarian meat meat meat" (ie. Phở is a meat and rice noodle dish; it has this kind of meat in it; ('btw there are some vegetarian kinds'); the broth? yeah: meat..). Thanks Quaeler (talk) 22:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Conduct in deletion discussion

I would appreciate it if you wouldn't suggest that I should be banned from editing Misplaced Pages for simply questioning whether the subject of an article is notable, as you did here. You might like to familiarise yourself with Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I notice that you've suggested that I be blocked again. Please assume good faith. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)