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The saga continues. Jauerback/_dude. 13:28, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Lav90

Hi Ricky. User:Lav90, whom you blocked a few days ago for sock puppetry (among other things), seems to have resumed editing as 122.108.211.141. What's the process from here? MvjsTalking 07:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Lav90/Tasos90 is now back as Taz300zx (talk · contribs) and reverting edits back to his preferred version. Regards. --] (] · ]) 03:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Garolou

ive got to tell you that i dont know what you think of this http://en.wikipedia.org/Garolou

but i think it needs to be deleted. it looks like junk. it looks like garbage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayhawk of Justice (talk • contribs) 00:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you Jayhawk of Justice (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Schuym1 vs. Imnotacoolguy

An outsider's view

• Per this diff... where I could find the history but not the real-time page to add my 2 cents. I’ll be the first to admit that young Schuym1 has short fuse, and is impatient to the nth degre... but without actually adopting him, I’ve made him my own secret project... hoping to help him learn patience as he works and plays with others. And you have likely realized, he has little patience. For him, everything has to happen NOW. This works to his disadvatage now that he is trying to work within the slower and overloaded moving gears of an Administrator’s world. At every step, he has been asked for diffs. Now he either does not comprehend what is being requested, or he simply has no patience to “search”, “copy” and “prepare” his case, expecting Administration to have a magic all-seeing eye. However, I kinda like the little sprout, and had the patience to research his complaints and bring them to you in a organized, albeit lengthy manner. He did not ask this of me... he did not “lobby’... but here is my own research of the apparent incivility and stalkings:
• SPA IP 98.21.185.149 has followed Schuym1 and attacked both he and his edits, diff01, diff02, and diff03.
• SPA User:Kimbermls has performed only ONE edit ever, diff, undoing Schuym1's work on an article.
• Interesting and that both of these SPAs in undermining Schuym1's work, came together diff at Run (novel).
• Further, SPA IP 71.101.85.164 is apparently stalking Schuym1 and has only edited in places where he has edited, and no place else per diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4, diff5, diff6, and diff7. This is too much to be mere coincidence.
• These all began after Schuym1 crossed paths with SPA account Imnotacoolguy who, ever since his account was created, has been stalking Schuym1 edits, reversing his edits, making flawed AfD nominations of his articles, all this being far more than mere coincidence. It began on October 19 when Schuym1 disagreed with reasons for a "keep" vote an an AfD diff.
• What can only percieved as a retaliation is Imnotacoolguy's then nomination of one of Schuym1's own articles for deletion on October 23 with the bitey phrase "Article/Stub reads like an advertisment. As do most of this users Articles... diff1. He then belittles Schuym1's comments diff2, diff3.
• Another attack on one of Schuym1's articles was then made by Imnotacoolguy using a flawed AfD for Run (novel) diff, with flawed arguments toward Schuym1's understanding of guideline diff, diff.
• Further proof of Imnotacoolguy's stalking and incivil behavior is his comment at Schuym1's editor review, again belittling Schuym1's articles and Schuym1's ability as an editor diff.
• Then on October 24 Imnotacoolguy undid Schuym1's work at Cupcake Brown with only a flat and bitey statement diff, but no discussion, on the article’s talk page. Schuym1 had reverted the vandalism of SPA IP 98.21.185.149 diff and Imnotacoolguy undid Schuym1's reversion diff.
• In the meanwhile, Imnotacoolguy and Schuym1 had had discourse on Schuym1's talk page. Again Imnotacoolguy belittled Schuym1's articles and abilities in a most bitey manner diff. Schuym1 respond on Imnotacoolguy's talk page, showing anger at his own articles diff, but no curse directed at Imnotacoolguy. Imnotacoolguy responds as if Schuym1 had cursed directly at him diff. Schuym1 let Imnotacoolguy know he suspected him of using an anonymous IP to make a VERY personal attack diff. Schuym1 also let him know he'd have no problem with an article being nominated if the nom does a fair search per WP:ATD before nomming diff. Then Schuym1 called him on his stalking diff. Schuym1 then points out that he is tired of dealing with the stalking diff, and that if Imnotacoolguy continued baiting Schuym1, he would report him at ANI diffdiff.
• This one SPA Imnotacoolguy and others (can an anonymous SPA IP be considered a meatpuppet?) have worked in concert to attempt driving Schuym1 off of Wiki. Certainily the checkuser request was premature, but this harrassment really should stop, as its interferring with Schuym1's ability to contribute to Misplaced Pages. Thank you. An observer, Schmidt, 06:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate the response. I told the kid to go to Wikialert when advised, rather than ANI. I also advised hm to list the diffs and make it easier for overworked Admins... and he does not have the patience. Sigh. Kids. Whattaya gonna do? I suspect he may one day become a verydecent editor. But he has his own problems with bitiness he needs to curb. With your leave, I will be archiing the discussions on my talk page. I'd rather he not come across your note, follow it back here, and get all fired up again. Again... thank you. I sympathyze with your ongoing headaches. Best, Schmidt, 08:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Understood. I agree that there are youngsters who are terrific aditors and Admins... just as there are oldsters who act like youngsters. I will continue trying to be a moderating voice for this young Padawan... but I will archive the conversations so there is no further fuel for his fire. Best, Schmidt, 08:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

All I had to do was view the edit history. I'm not angry anymore anyways. Schuym1 (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Schuym1 (talk) 12:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Why

I'm trying to figure out who put a deletion tag on my user page and why its there in the first place..I cant clear it out and there is no shown change in my history log so if you could take a look at it that would be greatly appreciated...thx in advance--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 20:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration

Requests for arbitration has been made on the Arjun MBT page.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 06:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Move mistakes

Hi there. You mistakenly moved several of the the "1. deild 19XX" season articles to "Faroe Islands Premier League Football 19XX", even though the league was indeed called 1. deild until 2004. If you're going to make mass moves in future, please ensure that you're certain that you are moving them to the right titles. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

simple:Misplaced Pages:Requests for deadminship/Several - 30 October 2008

Thought it was fair to let you know about this. - tholly 17:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Tasos90/Lav90/Name of the week

After having his unblocking request denied and his IP block expiring, he's back edit warring on Brisbane. This is the IP he is using, same as before. MvjsTalking 22:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

As the block has expired, he's back edit warring with that IP. MvjsTalking 11:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Arjun MBT

A new edit request for the Summer 2006 Arjun MBT page has been added. Expecting a reply or correction of the same in the Summer 2006 section.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

IFD Process

If you have the time, could you please stop by and let me know what you think on my proposal. Thank you for your time, MatthewYeager 07:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Dianne Wilkerson - Removal of blog as reference

I agree.

I went to the site and found scans of the recent complaints against her. Are those reliable or tainted due to the source? Should the scans be placed in her article?

I'm new so I don't know.

Thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubikslens (talk • contribs) 06:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:USER

Misplaced Pages is so inconsistent.  :) You might be interested in this MfD for a talkpage of a different user: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Racecarguy360. --Elonka 06:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Lav90/Tasos90

Hi Ricky. Lav90/Tasos90 is currently actively warring with 122.108.211.141 and Clare94 and has been given numerous warnings to stop (through edit summaries and a discussion on my talk page) and request unblocking on his original user account. He's not assuming good faith at all. Could you take appropriate action? Thanks! MvjsTalking 09:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, Clare94 has been blocked by Mattinbgn. Thanks anyway. MvjsTalking 09:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

As per your recommendation

The anon is back, and more fin than ever. In an AN/I , you suggested we range-block the IP anon if the problems continued. Well, for the past four months, they have been coming and going, and the person is most definitely back, and more fun than ev-ar. I've also notified William M Connolly on his user talk page. As you asked to be kept informed, please feel free to check it out. - Arcayne () 20:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles Roach

You wrote "There has to better press than this out there." There isn't. That is why I put Citizens for a Canadian Republic up for deletion. I have added a response to Talk:Charles Roach. The group is not significant in Canadian politics or media (just a few newspaper articles and brief mentions here and there, no serious analysis or anything), but if it is considered significant enough to include in WP, then we should be able to use blog posts from members of its own executive committee. An exception has to be made, otherwise its pointless because there's no reliable 3rd-party sources regarding the group or its internal problems. Only the words of its own members. Laval (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Good faith mistakes

I am having list of your good faith mistakes connected with my edits. Can you please stop with that ?

On other side if checkuser report that somebody is likely puppet of banned user is not good then you can start unblocking of many Balkan related banned users (puppets ?) like for example user Guivon .

You are administrator and after only 2-3 months of Balkan "discussions" you have started to block users. Users which are not administrators if they are having discussion with multiple newly created account can only ask checkuser check.--Rjecina (talk) 03:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I am giving you 1 point. One thing is to speak about somebody who is likely puppet and another thing is when he is 100 % puppet (I am speaking about checkuser reports)--Rjecina (talk) 03:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

User:ImNotObama discussion on ANI

Hi. Thanks for your very reasonable comments on the ANI page. I couldn't agree with you more. The thing is, the question I posed was not answered. I don't think this user should be blocked based on association only. This is a very poor wiki policy if it is indeed one. I think the user should be unblocked but supervised due to the reasonable suspicion. We can't have innocent users being blocked like this without proper evidence, can we? --Rebroad (talk) 21:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Ramu50

Hi Ricky81682, recently Ramu50 had made several repeated unconstructive edits without gathering consensus first at several templates and articles such as Template:Microsoft Azure Services Platform and Template:Windows Live. Been following several of his edits in the past day and most of them seemed to be unconstructive. I've seen Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive486#Ramu50_yet_again and realise that he is a repeated offender. Would just like to let you know so that some action can be done. --Pikablu0530 (talk) 02:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Rjecina

Hi, as part of looking at a CU case I had reason to examine this history. I sympathise with your frustration but you might want to dial back a bit and try to be more collegial. Don't let things get you so frustrated that you lose your temper or speak more harshly than is necessary. Hope that advice is helpful. I did comment on the case. ++Lar: t/c 14:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:TheObservatory2005e.jpg

Thanks for the notice (How did you happen to run across that image?)... I've written the band to see if they can supply a replacement free image. I'd appreciate some forebearance on deletion to see if a license is forthcoming. If not, it's not the end of the world if it gets deleted. Our policies about images have tightened somewhat since I found that image in 2006 and uploaded it. ++Lar: t/c 16:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'm always glad when someone isn't incensed at a notification. I found it while cleaning the always goofy Category:Publicity photographs with missing fair-use rationale. You find lots of interesting images that way. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

(Refactored from User_talk:Lar per my policy) Oh good, I thought maybe you were following me around because I cautioned you. (it happens...) Fingers crossed that I get a reply from the band. ++Lar: t/c 17:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Just as an FYI, I've heard back from an Observatory member, they're looking into who exactly owns the license and if it can be augmented, and/or if there is another image that could be freely licensed instead. I've sent them some explanatory material on how exactly to proceed and we shall see. I have OTRS access and suggested that the ticket be routed to me to handle. I will put the same note on the image. Note that the fact that something is pending is no reason not to delete, we can always undelete later, but it's good to know. ++Lar: t/c 18:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Inter-Services Intelligence and User:Mercenary2k

Given that he's just deleted all commentary from his talk page regarding this page and all warnings he's received from admins and other users, I doubt he'll be joining us on the talk page of the article ... Just wouldn't want you holding your breath. ;) CSHunt68 (talk) 03:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Anything else to contribute at WP:ANI? There is just no way that Mercenary2k is going to come to the table at this stage. Further actions need to be taken.CSHunt68 (talk) 16:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

This may be of interest to you

You may recognize the participants at Misplaced Pages:ANI#Thumperward_constant_personal_attacks. Pcap ping 13:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Turnkeydeftly2.jpg

Image:Turnkeydeftly2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Pepso2 (notify | contribs). Neither fairuse rationale is accurate. Ricky81682 (talk) 08:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Please indicate what is not accurate so I can fix. Thanks. Pepso2 (talk) 10:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Pepso2 (talk) 16:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Please explain. Thanks. Pepso2 (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Denialist Hate Speech

First and foremost I would like to sincerely ask you for your help. Your input and patience is appreciated. I want to bring to your attention this. HD86 has made numerous comments such as "The Assyrians are EXTINCT people of ancient Mesopotamia whose name was stolen by some modern politicians and used in reference to the modern Syriacs. To label the modern Syriacs by "Assyrians" and to claim that "The Assyrian people trace their origins to the population of the pre-Islamic Levant" is indeed stupidity in its purest form." These comments are inflammatory, racist, unhistprical and outrageous. This user continues to deny that a whole race even exists. He needs to be wiki disciplined. This is unacceptable inflammtory denialist behavior. The equivalent of his statments would be that jews or arabs do not exist. Do you not see the point. His languge is very hateful and dimeaning to those of us involved in the project. If you take a look at his history he has similar incompetent statemetns regarding other controverisal topics. I ask for assistance in order to remove this hateful user from this discussion. He has denied the existence of an entire race that through ample ancient and modern evidence has existed for thousands of years. I will be waiting for your response.Ninevite (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Ramu50, again

Still repeatedly reverting totally disputed additions to navboxen. Totally unrepentant. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...

for your help with this. Your request for the user strike to out his offensive comment is right on, and hopefully will get the point across. Much appreciated. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 02:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Lectures

Taking the time to lecture me on how to address banned users that have been causing me grief for months was a waste of both my time and yours. Try to focus your efforts on a) the encyclopedia itself, and b) users that are causing damage to it. Thanks. Warren -talk- 06:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

File:Computersniper.png

Excuse me, why is that image suddenly public domain? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Just logged in because I saw an article I was going to split up and do some major revisions on. Then I saw I had a message from you, and was reminded what bullshit the image politics are here, particularly the fair use justification politics for magazine advertisments. Image in question was a magazine ad from 20 years ago and any fool could have seen it was necessary to illustrate the article in question. All you needed to do was fill in the information in question in the template. Far easier for you to just destroy the article and delete the image though. No sweat off my nose; betacommandbot and fairimagebot have been deleting pictures at a steady clip for months now. Makes private websites all the more useful and attractive - I'll keep working on mine. You, I guess, can feel free to keep destroying the hard work of others. As for me, having been reminded of the BS, I logged out and can't be bothered to to do my planned article revisions - garbage like the lazy bots and administrators who delete at the drop of a hat instead of just working with uploaders to communicate and verify do themselves more of a disservice than they realize. Congratulations. 139.48.25.60 (talk) 16:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

As an FYI.

I thought you might get a kick out of this. Jauerback/_dude. 18:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Britain's Josef Fritzl

Plase take another look at the article, and let me know what you think on the AfD page.:) Sticky Parkin 22:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

re: I am Mario's block

Seems like a good block to me. Considering WP:ARBMAC, I'm surprised more blocks haven't been handed out to some of the more contentious editors on the template talk page. Sigh. Still, glad he's been blocked for the threats and I just wish more admins would nite the bullett and get involved in Balkans editing. It's pretty thankless... so thank you.--AniMate 05:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Rjecina's the one I'm still amazed isn't blocked. True, he hasn't gone down the legal threat route, but his constant assumptions of bad faith and inability to work well with others... drives me crazy. Since an indef seems unlikely, if not unwarranted, I think it would be nice if he could get some sort of enforced mentorship, though that seems unlikely as well. Anyway, you seem to be walking the tight rope of being an admin in the Balkans editing very well since both sides of the partisans have gotten mad at you. Fairly certain I'll be starting an RFC/U once I've finished grading projects in a few weeks, because the atmosphere he's creating isn't helpful. --AniMate 06:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ricki Thx for heads up - Pls Read

Hi - I am the person Dman mentions as "anonymous user" (re Joe the Plumber). I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to reply, but I'm really new to Misplaced Pages and don't know all the rules for these situations.

First, re: my changing IP address, it is not some trick or anything. I simply have a laptop that needs to be rebooted periodically because after a while it runs very slow. When it re-connects to my modem I get automatically assigned a diff IP. It's not some kind of conspiracy. (In fact I will need to reboot shortly but you will be able to tell it's me.)

Second: A user called "Collect", who has been in more than 3 edit wars (and other improper use history) with other users, keeps instantly deleting what I feel are very valid suggestions for improving the "Joe the Plumber" article. Long story short, I didn't know what "trolling" was, or that what I wrote as a pun (Plumber's Ass." insteast of "Plumber's Assistant") would be interpreted as anything other than a quip or pun on the going controversy about his occupation. A simple comment like "you are trolling" would have alerted me to the misunderstanding; instead the discussion page was semi-locked & I only discovered this "trolling" issue by accident.

Finally: If an admin can please have a look at what I wrote and let me know if it really is "trolling" I will gladly simply rewrite it, keeping the valid point but replacing the silly terminology. I feel my suggestions for changing the article are logical, very valid, sincerely contributive improvements, and I have no problem using a phrase other than the one that everyone is mistaking for a simple insult, rather than its' actual contemporary meaning. ("Turd gurgler" simply means a person who's usually full of B.S.)

As I said, I need to reboot now, but (if it's not locked) I will remove "Turd gurgler" and re-post my suggestion for improving the article when I'm back on. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.116.124 (talk) 09:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow - just read your response to me. Was not expecting such an undeserved tirade for being new to wikipedia & not having set up a user account or etc. I had no idea people without accounts were such a problem for you guys.

Incindentally, the phrase I used was just referring to Joe in the discussion, it was never meant to be added to the article, nor did I ever indicate it should be. My point for the article was - and is - very valid: that Joe the Plumber's public image changed from a solid guy to unreliable due to his constant lying and tall tales (about buying his company on his salary, etc.)

I won't respond point for point to what you said, but my feelings about what a warm fuzzy resource Misplaced Pages is have completely shrank.

Um - I'm a more than a little shocked cold and completely put off by the response you gave. I won't be bothering you again or using or contributing to your resource, so mission accomplished on your part, I guess. Good job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.116.124 (talk) 09:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

As I originally stated, I have removed the offending 2 pun/phrases and restated my point in plain English. Not surprisingly, all other editors have apperently disapeared, and only "Collect" popped up again, yet again with a reason why my valid suggestion should not be part of the "discussion" page.

As I mentioned earlier, user "Collect" has gotten way out of hand and is effectively bullying (or whatever) with me and other users whose opinion is different than his.

Can you please have a look and see if there is something somehow inappropriate or out of place with my corrected post? I would like to be able to make valid contributions to Misplaced Pages where appropriate like anyone else. (Can you also keep in mind the "assume good faith" and civility, etc. guidelines in your response to me? Thanks in advance, Ricky.)63.226.209.158 (talk) 12:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Can You Clarify Your Response re Joe the Plumber Edit?

Ricky, what do you mean by "Do the work for you?" (Let me know if this is not the place to respond, and if so, where is? My previous question to you went unanswered.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.210.77 (talk) 00:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, what do you mean by criticizing all the other editors? I was specific in requesting help with one user, "Collect", who continues to attempt to bully and otherwise stifle legitimate contributions towards consensus. If you like I will omit his name specifically from the response to the situation, but the pattern of behavior speaks for itself.

"Collect"'s has also been the subject of many other editor's complaints, even within the same article's discussion page. Why are you singling out my complaint instead of everyone else's, instead of investigating the issue? It would help if an admin would give more than a superficial look and assessment of the issue.

63.226.210.77 (talk) 00:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why you semi-locked the discussion page, since I abided (and was willing to continue doing so while waiting for more info or instruction from you) your warning whether I understood it or not (it was the latter case).

You seem to have your hands full with berating & warding off people who actually care about Misplaced Pages, and a deep loathing for people who exercise the right to avoid creating accounts or logging into yet another webpage every time they boot their computer or surf from site to site. I'll happily leave you to it, espicially since it's Friday night. Cheers! 63.226.210.77 (talk) 00:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting JTP

Thanks. The anon really had no desire to improve the article (nor was he a newbie as he claimed). He was simply using the talk page to inject as much trolling and insults as possible under the guise of "discussing improvements".

While that article is rather low on my list of interests (not sure how it even made my watch list), his insulting the intelligence of everyone there gets rather tedious quickly. thanks again for the action. Dman727 (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk page protection

I have no interest in the article really (and would probably vote to redirect it to the campaign page as just an small footnote of history) but his comments to me in response were enough. It's clear he didn't care what the article said so much as insult one particular user. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys - It's me, the anonymous user on JTP again. (As I explained earlier I have a loptop that starts to run slow after it's been on for while so I have to reboot, which causes my IP to change. I don't like logging in to multiple sites at each reboot, hence my consistent changes in my IP. It's really not a conspiracy.) I've gotta jet shortly, but just want to let you know something.

I actually am a newbie editor. I've been reading articles on wikipedia for some time now, but until very recently (JtP's emergence) haven't had any desire for personally editing stuff. The almost complete absence of any reference in the article to Sam W's more nefarious aspects surprized me, esp. after it became common & accepterd knowledge in the media. After a while it provoked me into wanting it mentioned, so attempted a few edits, and also brought out a good deal of humor which spilled over (obviously) into my commentary.

At no time WHATSOEVER was I interested in anything like vandalizing the work people do for wikipedia. I did not know until after I found the Discuss page locked, what "trolling" is, (and indeed had to refresh my memory on "specious"). That said, it became tremendously frustrating to read the stifled editorial attempts by others to correct or contribute, and when my legit contibutions were stifled in the manner I recently decribed, the absurd humor of it all came out in full force. Behind the humor early on is a logical, contributing person who appreciates it when people like Dman & the rest (who gave fair, rational criticisms of me) are adding to the pool of intelligent thought in the world. In my humble opinion, what I and others have complained about with "Collect" is justified and deserves rational consideration.

Nuff said. 63.226.220.75 (talk) 01:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

User:EagleScout18

I call your attention (if you hadn't already noticed) to deletions he made on his talk page, presumably either because he didn't like them or in hopes an admin would overlook them - this one by me and this one by Grsz11 . I've already said that I thought the indef was a bit steep, but it's become clear that his agenda is to push a point of view about Obama, and I don't see any hint that he thinks there's anything wrong with that. Note especially this presumably sincere but misguided idea that should "help Misplaced Pages get a jump start" on the topic, which I take to mean that he wants wikipedia to be on the leading edge - which is totally counter to the wikipedia philosophy. Misplaced Pages reports information from verifiable sources, it does not originate information. Baseball Bugs 04:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I figured you were watching. Mostly I wanted to summarize. :) Truth to tell, I don't like to see anyone get blocked. But wikipedia is of growing importance on the internet. I know people who specifically talk about how they've used wikipedia as a source, being probably mostly unaware of all this petty drama that goes on beneath the surface. And I typically come here as a starting point for when I want to find out something about something. It also tends to show up on Google near the top of the list. So I've taken the approach that wikipedia is worth defending, from POV-pushers as well as blatant vandals. I got a strong taste of that when dealing with the Sarah Palin article. Personally I think she's a ditz, but I and others did the best we could to keep the tabloid junk out of the article, to try to keep it to wikipedia standards; because we kept in mind that someone might come here to get a non-partisan, factual summary of her life and career. I'm hopeful (but not optimistic) that EagleScout could get that message eventually. Baseball Bugs 05:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I also want to point out that EagleScout took a shot at my own checkered block history: (which he probably didn't know about) and (which he did). I would like to think I learned from those mistakes. I'm coming up on a year, this weekend, since the last time I was blocked. And unlike EagleScout, I owned up to the fact that those blocks were deserved, and I "took them like a man", i.e. without protest. A pause here while I pat myself on the back. 0:) But as I tried to tell him in the item he deleted, he needs to figure out why he was blocked and address that, rather than complaining about everyone else, which is a sure-fire formula for continuing to be blocked, based on what I've seen with many others in the past. OK, I'm done. Thanks fer listenin'. :) Baseball Bugs 05:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk page protection=

Why? Do we grant disruptive indef blocked users their wishes? If you're going to protect it, shouldn't it be to prevent him from editing, and in that case should redirect to the block tag? Grsz 06:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ramu50 again :(

I've created this RFCU: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Ramu50

Do you think I got it right? Am I over-reacting? ...etc. Jeh (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)