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| you mean this one . you could have easily answered with a yes/no answer. being vague in response to queries from fellow WP users is not useful to the WP project. ] (]) 03:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | you mean this one . you could have easily answered with a yes/no answer. being vague in response to queries from fellow WP users is not useful to the WP project. ] (]) 03:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
| ==Hi== | ==Hi== | ||
| I would like to know why you don't sign with tildes and why you don't identify yourself as an administrator yet |
I would like to know why you don't sign with tildes and why you don't identify yourself as an administrator yet perform administrator tasks. It's very deceptive. if you are purposefully avoiding being contacted and purposefully not allowing talk then why bother to participate as an administrator? ] (]) 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
| ::: Docu has a signature but does not time and date stamp which is very confusing sometimes. ] (]) 03:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Do you have a different opinion of the way I perform tasks depending on my user access rights? BTW, you didn't answer my question in the DRV thread (for the second question, please respond there, this keeps the debate at one place). -- User:Docu | |||
| ::who is the question for? me or Drawn some? and which question are you referring to? ] (]) 03:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::For the person that said "Hi". -- User:Docu | |||
| ::::Yes with all due respect the fact that you are an administrator means that you went up before the community and were given a seal of approval as far as trust. Not signing with tildes makes it difficult to access your talk page, requiring a search, and to even be sure that the page belongs to the correct user is difficult. Then important talk information is deleted. I still don't see anything that indicates you are an administrator such as a category. It's just not very friendly to other editors. I will go answer your question even though you still have not answered mine. You still have not stated whether or not you are an administrator. ] (]) 04:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::::(after two edit conflicts, I'm trying to save my answer): It shouldn't matter though. The problem with me stating if I'm an administrator or not, is that it doesn't really confirm anything. To be sure, you'd need to verify yourself. -- User:Docu | |||
| :::::::That is quite faulty reasoning. You might as well say policemen shouldn't wear uniforms because you still need to verify their position by looking at their badge and calling headquarters. What would make sense is to say that people who are NOT policemen should NOT wear police uniforms. ] (]) 04:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::*I agree with Drawn Some. Docu is basically saying that even though he/she is an admin there is no need to confirm or deny this. Admins have a responsibility to assist and identify themselves for the benefit of the Misplaced Pages project. ] (]) 04:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::*Drawn Some, I'm not sure about the comparison. It's somewhat funny, but you might be on the wrong website. Anyways, just a piece of free, unrelated, advice: it could be helpful to check the badge if there is no uniform. ("free" as in "no warranty"). -- User:Docu | |||
| ::::::::::I understand that administrators are just editors with extra tools but you still haven't confirmed or denied that you are an administrator. Just as people often ask policemen for directions on the street, users look to administrators as experienced and trusted editors for assistance and frankly you aren't very helpful. I do see in the page history where you just went through this the other day with LibStar but instead of encouraging this situation which obviously aggravates other editors you might do a better job of being friendly by making your signature linkable to your user page or talk page or both and by answering a simple question about whether or not you are an administrator when someone asks if you are or by pointing out that you are when they say you are not. That would be in a better spirit of cooperation with your fellow editors than your present opacity. ] (]) 04:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::The question was answered in DRV just before you asked it, besides, there is a link on every users contrib pages to check it. -- User:Docu | |||
| but no link on your signature. another aim of Misplaced Pages is to simplify and make it easier for all users. this helps build the project. ] (]) 05:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :What is your aim? -- User:Docu | |||
| ::Responding with vague questions is not helpful. ] (]) 05:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Do you think you are being helpful right now? -- User:Docu | |||
| ::::yes as I am pointing out my concerns directly with the user concerned. ] (]) 05:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Reminder of expected conduct of admins== | |||
| Docu, I should draw your attention to the expected standards of conduct for admins at:] specifically: '''Failure to communicate''' – ''this can be either to users (e.g., lack of suitable warnings or explanations of actions), or to concerns of the community (especially when explanations or other serious comments are sought'' ] (]) 05:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, LibStar, thank you for the link. -- User:Docu | |||
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It is very annoying having to work through your page history to see the successive discussions on an issue. It is so very annoying, that I almost concluded at first glance that you were not an admin until I checked the log. I see you've been one twice as long as I have, so I'm all the more surprised; I would gladly have mentioned this by email instead, except you have not done that either. DGG (talk) 02:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure if it matters that much. Anyways, I don't recall seeing you here before. -- User:Docu
- I concur with DGG. About a week ago, I incorrectly assumed that Docu was not an admin, I asked him/her on this talk page and they didn't bother responding (except with vague responses). Surely admins should display they are an admin on their user page in the interests of the Misplaced Pages project? LibStar (talk) 03:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it took DGG two seconds to figure it out and if you had followed the link I had given you, you'd know too. -- User:Docu
- you never provided any link. DGG as an admin probably knows the fast way to determine this. I do not. LibStar (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Check my first post. -- User:Docu
- you never provided any link. DGG as an admin probably knows the fast way to determine this. I do not. LibStar (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it took DGG two seconds to figure it out and if you had followed the link I had given you, you'd know too. -- User:Docu
- I concur with DGG. About a week ago, I incorrectly assumed that Docu was not an admin, I asked him/her on this talk page and they didn't bother responding (except with vague responses). Surely admins should display they are an admin on their user page in the interests of the Misplaced Pages project? LibStar (talk) 03:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
you mean this one . you could have easily answered with a yes/no answer. being vague in response to queries from fellow WP users is not useful to the WP project. LibStar (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi
I would like to know why you don't sign with tildes and why you don't identify yourself as an administrator yet perform administrator tasks. It's very deceptive. if you are purposefully avoiding being contacted and purposefully not allowing talk then why bother to participate as an administrator? Drawn Some (talk) 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Docu has a signature but does not time and date stamp which is very confusing sometimes. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have a different opinion of the way I perform tasks depending on my user access rights? BTW, you didn't answer my question in the DRV thread (for the second question, please respond there, this keeps the debate at one place). -- User:Docu
- who is the question for? me or Drawn some? and which question are you referring to? LibStar (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- For the person that said "Hi". -- User:Docu
- Yes with all due respect the fact that you are an administrator means that you went up before the community and were given a seal of approval as far as trust. Not signing with tildes makes it difficult to access your talk page, requiring a search, and to even be sure that the page belongs to the correct user is difficult. Then important talk information is deleted. I still don't see anything that indicates you are an administrator such as a category. It's just not very friendly to other editors. I will go answer your question even though you still have not answered mine. You still have not stated whether or not you are an administrator. Drawn Some (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- (after two edit conflicts, I'm trying to save my answer): It shouldn't matter though. The problem with me stating if I'm an administrator or not, is that it doesn't really confirm anything. To be sure, you'd need to verify yourself. -- User:Docu
- That is quite faulty reasoning. You might as well say policemen shouldn't wear uniforms because you still need to verify their position by looking at their badge and calling headquarters. What would make sense is to say that people who are NOT policemen should NOT wear police uniforms. Drawn Some (talk) 04:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with Drawn Some. Docu is basically saying that even though he/she is an admin there is no need to confirm or deny this. Admins have a responsibility to assist and identify themselves for the benefit of the Misplaced Pages project. LibStar (talk) 04:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Drawn Some, I'm not sure about the comparison. It's somewhat funny, but you might be on the wrong website. Anyways, just a piece of free, unrelated, advice: it could be helpful to check the badge if there is no uniform. ("free" as in "no warranty"). -- User:Docu
- I understand that administrators are just editors with extra tools but you still haven't confirmed or denied that you are an administrator. Just as people often ask policemen for directions on the street, users look to administrators as experienced and trusted editors for assistance and frankly you aren't very helpful. I do see in the page history where you just went through this the other day with LibStar but instead of encouraging this situation which obviously aggravates other editors you might do a better job of being friendly by making your signature linkable to your user page or talk page or both and by answering a simple question about whether or not you are an administrator when someone asks if you are or by pointing out that you are when they say you are not. That would be in a better spirit of cooperation with your fellow editors than your present opacity. Drawn Some (talk) 04:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- The question was answered in DRV just before you asked it, besides, there is a link on every users contrib pages to check it. -- User:Docu
- I understand that administrators are just editors with extra tools but you still haven't confirmed or denied that you are an administrator. Just as people often ask policemen for directions on the street, users look to administrators as experienced and trusted editors for assistance and frankly you aren't very helpful. I do see in the page history where you just went through this the other day with LibStar but instead of encouraging this situation which obviously aggravates other editors you might do a better job of being friendly by making your signature linkable to your user page or talk page or both and by answering a simple question about whether or not you are an administrator when someone asks if you are or by pointing out that you are when they say you are not. That would be in a better spirit of cooperation with your fellow editors than your present opacity. Drawn Some (talk) 04:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- That is quite faulty reasoning. You might as well say policemen shouldn't wear uniforms because you still need to verify their position by looking at their badge and calling headquarters. What would make sense is to say that people who are NOT policemen should NOT wear police uniforms. Drawn Some (talk) 04:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- (after two edit conflicts, I'm trying to save my answer): It shouldn't matter though. The problem with me stating if I'm an administrator or not, is that it doesn't really confirm anything. To be sure, you'd need to verify yourself. -- User:Docu
- Yes with all due respect the fact that you are an administrator means that you went up before the community and were given a seal of approval as far as trust. Not signing with tildes makes it difficult to access your talk page, requiring a search, and to even be sure that the page belongs to the correct user is difficult. Then important talk information is deleted. I still don't see anything that indicates you are an administrator such as a category. It's just not very friendly to other editors. I will go answer your question even though you still have not answered mine. You still have not stated whether or not you are an administrator. Drawn Some (talk) 04:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- For the person that said "Hi". -- User:Docu
- who is the question for? me or Drawn some? and which question are you referring to? LibStar (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
but no link on your signature. another aim of Misplaced Pages is to simplify and make it easier for all users. this helps build the project. LibStar (talk) 05:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- What is your aim? -- User:Docu
- Responding with vague questions is not helpful. LibStar (talk) 05:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Do you think you are being helpful right now? -- User:Docu
- yes as I am pointing out my concerns directly with the user concerned. LibStar (talk) 05:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Do you think you are being helpful right now? -- User:Docu
- Responding with vague questions is not helpful. LibStar (talk) 05:26, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Reminder of expected conduct of admins
Docu, I should draw your attention to the expected standards of conduct for admins at:Misplaced Pages:ADMIN#Administrator_conduct specifically: Failure to communicate – this can be either to users (e.g., lack of suitable warnings or explanations of actions), or to concerns of the community (especially when explanations or other serious comments are sought LibStar (talk) 05:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, LibStar, thank you for the link. -- User:Docu