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::Ho-hum, back to work. Regards, ] (]) 01:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Ho-hum, back to work. Regards, ] (]) 01:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::''nods'' We'll see -- but in the long run, he's pretty irrelevant. —] 08:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::''nods'' We'll see -- but in the long run, he's pretty irrelevant. —] 08:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::]. Regardless of whether he's irrelevant, ], ], or ]], he went pan-European and landed straight in my lap. And it was so quiet, too...I figured another year to get the ] organized, then the ], then wrap it all up. ], half the population of Ireland is leaving messages on my talk page, ]. I knew I should have joined ] instead...-). Regards, ] (]) 02:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome to my talk page! Feel free to discuss my actions, my personality, my lifestyle and whatever else you can think of here; critical comments are, of course, appreciated. If you just want to chat, that's fine, too!
For a long time I stopped to contribute on the English version of Misplaced Pages. I tried to slow my consumption of French Wikipédia too, but that's to hard. However someone tried again to renameIslom Karimov’s page to "Islam Karimov". Coming out of retirement, I reverted it at once, but I’m afraid he could do that again. Knowing your opinions on this issue, I just wanted to inform you. Švitrigaila (talk) 10:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm just as unsure. It can't get much worse after Conté, that's certain, but whether it will actually get better and whether we will see free elections... Somehow, I doubt it, but in the last years, UN, EU, USA and regional organisations like ECOWAS have stepped up their efforts to get their feet in the door whenever a dictator dies or is deposed (Togo, for instance), so maybe we'll see a change for the better, after all... —Nightstallion19:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
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Pestering? I'm less friendly when I pester! :) Haha, Canada!? I love Canada but I believe I was removing more than just Canada? --Cameron*19:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
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The poll compares the latest poll to the situation about a year ago. The strange changes are changes over a year: so between december 2007 and december 2008 the Proud of the Netherlands fell back from 21 to 5 seats. You can find the original poll here (click on "21-12-2008: 2008-12-21 (laatste peiling)".
Just a word of warning: The poll is Maurice de Hond's: it's not worth the electronic paper it is printed on. Mr. De Hond is known for manipulating his data and not keeping to international polling standards. A more reliable poll is posted -every two weekly- here.
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I'm contacting you because you participated in the discussion about the EU entry in List of countries and outlying territories by total area in the past. So I concluded that you might be interested to know that two editors currently push for a change in the article structure that is in conflict with the standing consensus resulting out of our past discussion.
The consensus was to include the EU entry in the initial text of the article, but not in the actual table (even unnumbered). — Whereas the change that is currently pushed would result in moving the EU entry to the very end of the article, even after the references/sources table. The result can be seen here: .
The standing consensus was not my favorite solution, as I would like to include the EU into the very list (unnumbered), but I content myself with the standing compromise. Whether you agree to or oppose the change, I strongly feel that the article's structure should not be changed without a proper discussion and maybe even a new vote before changing the standing compromise. You might want to give your point of view in the current discussion at
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Storm of the month
Hurricane Paloma
Hurricane Paloma was the second most powerful November hurricane on record in the Atlantic Basin, behind Hurricane Lenny in 1999. It was the third and final major hurricane to hit Cuba in 2008, being the first time that three major hurricanes have struck Cuba in one season. It also marked the first time that at least one major hurricane formed in every month of the hurricane season from July to November, with only June not having a major hurricane this season.
Hurricane Paloma was also the last Tropical Depression of the 2008 season, and caused at least $1.4 billion in damage and was responsible for at least one direct death.
North Indian– There were three Tropical Depressions during the last two months of the 2008 North Indian Ocean cyclone season, however there were only two that officially became Tropical Storms being named Khai-Muk and Nisha.
South Indian– Cyclone Bernard was the first cyclone of the year to move into the Australian Region from the Southwest Indian Ocean. Forming on early on November 19 it quickly intensified into a Moderate Tropical Storm the next day, however as it moved westward it weakened into a Tropical Depression and moved into Australia's Bureau of Meteorology's area of responsibility and dissipated later on November 21.
Australian - There were four tropical lows during November and December with Tropical Low ex Bernard moving into the Australian Region from the South-West Indian Ocean. Two of the Lows developed into Tropical Cyclones being named Anika and Billy respectively. Anika intensified into a category two cyclone whilst Cyclone Billy became a Severe Tropical Cyclone after it had affected Northern Australia.
The 2008–09 South Pacific cyclone season got off to an slow start during November and December, with three Tropical Disturbances forming during December. Only one of the tropical disturbances developed into a tropical depression.
Member of the month
The November/December member of the month is Thegreatdr, who has been a steady editor within the project for the past few years. Lately, the user's contributions include improving some of the Pacific Typhoon season articles from the 1980s. Thegreatdr has also tipped us off about going on's at the National Hurricane Center and the Hydrometeorological Prediction Center.
Project News
During the last two months there have been several important discussions of which some are still seeking contributions from members. These include discussions about:
Project Importance - Is it better to rate Storm Importance by basin or by overall importance? - There seems to be a consensus to rate storm importance on a case by case basis, though there still needs to be a bit more discussion on this matter.
Prominent units within TC articles: Imperial or SI? - Which should be the prominent unit outside the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific Basins, Knots or MPH? Generally people think that Knots should not be used except in the general science articles and infoboxes.
ACE - Where and how, should it be used? - We have decided that it should not be used outside the Atlantic or the Eastern Pacific hurricane Seasons. A debate is still ongoing with a view too get rid of it all together.
JMA Tropical DepressionsShould we include them with the season articles or not? - The general consensus so far seems to be that we should include them in the season articles though this debate is still ongoing.
We discovered during December that the Australian Bureau of Meteorology have started to designate the Tropical Lows that form within their region with letter U. It is unclear whether either TCWC Jakarta or TCWC Port Moresby assign any designations to lows that form within their Area of Responsibility.
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Dear Nightstallion, I wish you as a fellow EU editor a successful, healthy and happy new year. I hope you keep up expanding high quality EU content at Misplaced Pages while also maintaining achieved standards.
Keep up motivating others to contribute or to correct EU-European content. Viva Europa Lear 21 (talk) 00:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not entirely sure, but as the article does not mention any kind of relationship to the Awami League, in which the new president is one of the highest-ranking people, I doubt it. —Nightstallion10:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
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This month saw 14 military history-related articles promoted to featured status, the highest number for a single month since the project's establishment in October 2002. Congratulations all round!
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A new drive has been started to identify the core topics of World War I with the aim of improving their quality before the centenary of the start of World War I in 2014.
Hi! Funny, how you reverted my editing in the election template of 2009 about the Hungarian general election in 2010. It is scheduled to take place according to the plans. BTW, I am an admin on huwiki, have seen a thing or two, I propose to your distingushed attention this, for example. Alles gute, und tschüss, --Burumbátor (talk) 14:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I know it's scheduled, but we don't redlink to future elections here on en.wiki in templates; you'll have to write an article about it if you want to link to it. ;) —Nightstallion14:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Why do the names for some provincial Spanish election articles differ from the norm? Why is it Parliament of Andalusia election, 2008 instead of Andalusian parliamentary election, 2008? – Zntrip01:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
IIRC, because "Basque parliamentary election" would imply that it's for all of the Basque region, whereas it's only for the Basque Parliament which only represents a *part* of the Basque region within Spain, and Andalusia, Catalonia and Galicia where then mirrored from that base. —Nightstallion08:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there would be any confusion with Andalusia, Catalonia, or Galicia since the names are almost exclusively associated with the autonomous communities, which pretty much cover all of the region that they are named after. For the Basque region it can be confusing; a more precise name would be "Basque Country parliamentary election". What do you think? – Zntrip23:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Mh... Okay, I could live with that; but if you do it, please make sure to move all the articles (and the template links). Thanks! —Nightstallion08:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
There is currently a TFD discussion going on here which may have implications for many other election results templates. As I know you have been involved in election articles before, I would appreciate your views. Thanks. AndrewRT(Talk) 23:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
The end of Tsvangirai?
The BBC indicate that the talks have failed, but Tsvangirai himself called it "the darkest day" for MDC members, but Mugabe seemed oddly optimistic. He wants more talks before Sadc has their next summit; any idea of when that will be? Therequiembellishere (talk) 02:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The Zimbabwean dollar was revalued last August and assigned a new ISO code. I didn't realize until yesterday, though. It was also revalued in 2006, but the code didn't change. I assumed it wouldn't this time around either, but it did. – Zntrip23:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Mh. I remember updating the info with the new ISO code back then, though -- must have got lost by then? Or I didn't really update...
BTW, though, it *DID* briefly get a new code in 2006, but the RBZ wasn't able to handle it (software too old), so the ISO retracted the new code, IIRC. —Nightstallion00:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
That's interesting, but I don't even want to think about the antiquated software they use down there. – Zntrip09:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Didn't hear about it until know. I guess it happens so often know that the ISO has given up on assigning new codes. – Zntrip01:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The Icelandic coalition government has essentially collapsed. Prime Minister Geir Haarde just announced that he will be stepping down as chairman of the Independence Party for health reasons and that elections are now planned for May 9. Haukur (talk) 12:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to start some articles, maybe one page per country that lists all the elections. Of course, first I have to find some results. – Zntrip19:16, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Good idea. At least for the most recent elections, you should find the data on the electoral tribunal homepages of the countries, they're usually quite good. —Nightstallion08:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
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Mysterious language
I've been searching for a translation of this webpage but te ones I've used haven't worked for French or Catalan and my friend tells me it isn't French at all. Do you have any idea what language it is in and would you know how to translate it? Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty certain it's Catalan. Which part do you need translated? The first sentence is "Christian Fremont has been nominated the new personal representative of the President of France and Andorran Co-Prince Nicolas Sarkozy." The next sentence states he'll take office on 24 September, replacing the incumbent Emmanuelle Mignon. —Nightstallion21:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The SDA and the LGM have agreed to the PP demand for a constitutional assembly to be elected later this year and to undertake a complete revision of the constitution.Haukur (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Might take until tomorrow - looks like the Progressives want more detailed information on specific economic policies the government will enact before they sign off. Haukur (talk) 15:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah, okay. What do you expect? Some kind of compromise, with just a vote on *starting* negotiations but requiring another to sign off on accession? —Nightstallion16:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Don't forget the six-monthly Coordinator elections will take place in March for the April-September term. If you want to become more involved in the project, now's the time to start thinking about it!
Following extensive discussion, the structure of the A-Class Medal System has been changed to include three new medals: The A-Class Medal with Oak Leaves, the A-Class Medal with Oakleaves and Swords, and the A-Class Medal with Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds, each of which is respectfully awarded after 5, 10, and 20 groups of three A-Class Articles.
The number of our A-Class articles grew by more than 25% during this month, compared to the total number of A-Class articles existent at the end of December.
A drive is underway to identify the core topics of World War I with the aim of improving their quality before the centenary of the start of World War I in 2014.
A Survey is currently underway to determine how MilHist's processes, logistics, and management can be improved.
Abraham, B.S. has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his many valuable contributions to the project as an active reviewer, a thoughtful contributor to military history discussions, a fine content contributor, and a gentleman.
The Contest department has completed its twenty second month of competition, which saw 62 entries. The top scorer this month is Bellhalla with 93 points followed by Abraham, B.S. with 52 points. Cam, Georgejdorner and 11 other editors also fielded entries. Bellhalla remains the overall leader with 687 points in total. The Chevrons go to Bellhalla and Abraham, B.S. gets the Writer's Barnstar. You are encouraged to submit any articles you are working on as entries.
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Dear Nightstallion, when you make a redirection like this one, could you please include the "R from alternative language" in the former main title or let me know for me to do it? I'm adding this category and you deleted it (I know I should not have moved the page, people already explained that to me) Thanks! --Againme (talk) 06:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
No, I'm not. It should be exactly what the party itself uses, and most of them have spaces around the dash. Please revert them. —Nightstallion09:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
You indefinitely semi-protected this article some time ago with the comment "kosovo issue". Do you think we can unprotect the article yet? –xeno (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
This month has been interesting for MILHIST, as we reorganized a few departments. The Outreach Department has been replaced by the tabs at the top of our totally redesigned project page; thanks to Kirill for the design and Bellhalla for the logo. We also created the Academy, a hub for practical advice about creating, editing, and reviewing quality content. All project members are cordially invited to fill in some of the red links, and new ideas are always welcome.
As you can see on the right, our A-class and featured content is growing quite rapidly; these numbers have now gone up by 45 for the second straight month! Great work! In addition, thanks go out to those who recently helped in reducing the A-class nominations backlog. Reviewers are still needed; if you feel up to it, please stop by and leave comments on an article—every review helps!
Article alerts are now available both for the entire project (on the status page) and for each task force (on the task force page).
The Military history coordinator elections, to appoint coordinators for the period April–October 2009, take place this month. If you are thinking of standing as a candidate, the schedule is as follows:
Nomination period: 00:01 Sat 7 March - 23:59 Fri 13 March
Voting period: 00:01 Sat 14 March - 23:59 Sat 29 March
Awards and honors
Ian Rose has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his outstanding contributions to Australian military history articles (including four Featured Articles, an A-Class article, and four Good Articles), his highly civil and collaborative editing, and his willingness to provide advice and assistance to other editors.
MisterBee1966 has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his contributions to seven featured lists on German military awards during the Second World War, and for contributing to four good articles and being instrumental in promoting three of them to A-Class status.
Raul654 has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his contributions to six current Military History Featured Articles, his flexibility in managing the "Today's featured article" list to accommodate relevant main-page appearances, and his generosity in providing many images for our visual library.
The Land has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his significant contributions to the area of maritime warfare, as he has authored six of the seven articles in the "history of the battleship" series, with four of them now being featured.
Well, the government's proposal is in: Basically, 41 members, elected by the populace, to start working no later than December 1, 2009 and to finish in 2011 or earlier. Some rules about necessary conditions to approve the new constitution involving interplay between the assembly, parliament, and a final referendum. More detailed rules to be set by law following the parliamentary election. Haukur (talk) 11:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
That's the plan! Of course it's just a proposal so far and the Althing could reject it or substantially modify it. Haukur (talk) 12:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! I expect you'll let me know when there's any news? ;) Is this BTW what you wished for regarding constitutional change? —Nightstallion14:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm personally rather happy with this, yes. I'll try to remember to let you know about major developments. Haukur (talk) 15:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Storm of the month Cyclone Fanele was the first cyclone of tropical cyclone status to strike western Madagascar since Cyclone Fame one year prior. It formed on January 18 in the Mozambique Channel, and rapidly organized, reaching peak winds of 185 km/h (115 mph). It weakened before moving ashore in Menabe Region southwest of Morondava, and rapidly deteriorated over land. Fanele briefly re-intensified after reaching open waters, only to become an extratropical cyclone by January 23. The cyclone caused heavy damage near where it moved ashore and along its path, resulting in at least eight deaths. Fanele struck Madagascar just two days after Tropical Storm Eric brushed the northeastern portion of the country. The two storms affected over 50,000 people, of which at least 4,000 were left homeless. Fanele struck the country during a series of government protests, and consequentially relief efforts were hindered.
Other tropical cyclone activity
Western Pacific Ocean– The first tropical cyclone of the season was Tropical Depression Auring, as designated by PAGASA. It formed on January 3 to the east of the Philippines, producing heavy rainfall and flooding on Mindanao island. Never organizing much, the depression dissipated a few days after forming, causing one death and destroying 305 houses. The next month, Tropical Depression Bising formed near Palau and, moving westward, later passed through the Philippines as a remnant low; rainfall from the system produced mudslides, though no major damage was reported.
South-West Indian– Tropical Storm Dongo was the first storm of January in the basin, and it remained over open waters without affecting landmasses throughout its duration. In the middle of the month along with Cyclone Fanele, Tropical Storm Eric developed and moved near Madagascar, killing one and producing heavy rainfall in the northeastern portion of the country. Later, Cyclone Gael killed two people on Réunion while tracking for ten days east of Madagascar; at the time it was the 2nd strongest cyclone of the season. Lastly, Tropical Storm Hina persisted for about five days, nearly reaching tropical cyclone status before weakening.
Australia- During the previous two months their have been nine Tropical Lows with four of them becoming a Tropical Cyclone whilst the remants of Cyclone Innis briefly moved into the Australian Region from the South Pacific. Cyclones Charlotte, Dominic, Ellie, and Freddy all caused damage to Australia and or the Indonesia Islands.
South Pacific- During the last two months the south Pacific has come alive with six depressions forming in January and February. The most significant depression was Tropical Depression 04F which brought heavy rainfall to Fiji and caused widespread flooding and killing at least 11 people. The first two named storms, Hettie and Innis also developed, each having minor effects on land.
Member of the month
The member of the month is... HurricaneSpin
HurricaneSpin is a relativly new member of the project who has helped the project out by finding photos of Tropical Cyclones and uploading them to Commons. He is still getting to grips with the project but is coming on in leaps and bounds thus we have decided to make him the Member of the Month, for January and February 2009.
Project News
The project reached a milestone in the last two months in terms of article quality for all articles within the project. For the first time, the percentage of Good articles or better reached more than 1/3, and at the same time, the percentage of Start or Stub articles totaled less than 50%. In the previous twelve months, the overall project grew by 262 articles, of which 204, or 78%, were GA or better. Additionally, in terms of only storm articles, the project now has 46.6% of its articles as GA or better, and only 1/3 are Start or Stub. Unfortunately, much of that is due to newly-created articles easily attaining GA status. For storm articles, the total number of Start or Stub articles, currently 226, is about the same as it was a year ago. The lack of work on older articles is especially noticeable on season articles, where more than 75% of articles are still Stub or Start.
In an attempt to improve articles, there is talk of forming a collaboration between a few Wikipedians. The current project is to improve Hurricane Camille to FA status in time for its 40th anniversary this August. There is still plenty of work to be done, so if you're interested, any help would be appreciated.
Additionally, there is a recent discussion on the WPTC talk page about establishing a notability criteria. There was talk in the past of instating one, although this time the proposal is backed up by interpretations of existing Misplaced Pages policy. The proposal would limit articles to tropical cyclones that have at least one independent, reliable source other than any warning centers. Excluding cross-basin, off-season, or 64+ knot cyclones, the proposal would affect 26 articles, none of which affected land or lasted for an appreciable amount of time.
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God, I'd forgotten how long it takes to load your talk page...
'stallion, hi!
Thanks for starting the Party of Free Citizens article: I was assembling sources when I saw you'd beaten me to it by two months: ooops. You've got the statement "...it was in talks with Declan Ganley to be part of his EU-wide Libertas movement, but the talks failed..." in there: do you got a source for this? The best I can get is the speech Petr Mach gave when he was elected to SSO's chairmanship in which he offered partnership to Zelezny's rival Libertas.cz instead, but my Czech sucks and automatic translation is ambiguous. Do you have something that says "Dear Declan: go away. Love, Petr" or something of that ilk? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Yup, sure -- . I'll add it. And sorry for the long loading time, but I decided long ago to archive precisely every 100 topics, and even though I now know that that's likely too long I'm reluctant to change the system... —Nightstallion07:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
As sometimes happens two users living in Italy clash over the ideology of a party, although they both don't like it. What is the ideology of The People of Freedom? I don't know why this happens always with centre-right parties, while no-one questions the Democratic Party's ideology, for example, that is more controversial in Italy. Most articles about political parties in Misplaced Pages have no sources for the ideology in the infobox, but, even if in this case there are two sources, a user, my dear friend Piccolo Modificatore Laborioso wants to throw out those two sources. I thus ask your personal opinion, your mediation and your help to find sources if you can. Thank you so much. --Checco (talk) 16:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Do you think there should be a mention of the ICC arrest warrant for Bashir as a possible reason for the vote being pushed back? And out of curiosity, do you think the South Sudanese independence referendum will take place along with the others? Their own presidential elections are being held so they would have a clear path but if they win the election against Bashir (assuming he's still in office) there could be a complication. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The big news of course was the seventh project coordinator election covering the period ending 30 September. The quality of the candidates was extremely high, with some of the project's top content builders running alongside highly experienced backroom people. Of the eighteen candidates, sixteen were finally appointed, giving us probably the most rounded coordination team so far.
The C-class referendum, held at the same time, produced a slight majority of votes for introduction, but was insufficient to demonstrate a clear consensus. So, for the time being at least, therefore, the project will continue without C-class. Otherwise, focus is likely be on the Academy and the development of courses to develop reviewing, copy-editing and article-building skills. Some review of our task forces is also probable, perhaps consolidating some of the smaller, quieter, ones. As ever, input from everyone is not only welcomed but positively encouraged.
The coordinators' gratitude goes not only to those who participated in the election and referenda but also to everyone who works quietly and conscientiously away to make participation in this project rewarding, successful and productive. Milhist is very fortunate in its membership! Thank you all, Roger Davies16:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
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Storm of the month Cyclone Hamish formed as a Tropical Low to the south of Papua New Guinea on March 4. The low quickly organized and became Tropical cyclone Hamish the following day. Hamish then started to rapidly intensify, becoming the second severe tropical cyclone of the season the next day. Throughout much of its duration, it moved southeastward, parallel to the coast of Queensland. It underwent rapid deepening over a period of 48 hours, Hamish reached peak winds of 215 km/h (130 mph) according to the Australia Bureau of Meteorology, making the cyclone a Category 5 on the Australian intensity scale. It quickly weakened due to wind shear, and without moving ashore it stalled and turned to a northwest drift. The low dissipated on March 5.
Hamish indirectly caused a major environmental disaster along the Queensland coastline, when strong waves from the cyclone damaged the hull of a cargo ship, spilling 260 tonnes of fuel and oil into the ocean. The oil washed onto the coastline, endangering the environment prompting a costly cleanup. Offshore, the fishermen went missing after the boat was lost; one person was found, although the other two remained missing and were presumed dead. As the storm remained offshore, overall damage directly from the storm was minor, primarily from strong waves.
Other tropical cyclone activity
Australia – In addition to Cyclone Hamish, three other cyclones formed and were named as Gabrielle, Ilsa and Jasper. However, there was no impact reported from these three storms whilst in the Australian region.
South Pacific – This month Cyclones Joni and Ken formed near to the Cook Islands, whilst Cyclone Jasper moved into the area at its peak and brought heavy rain and coastal erosion to New Caledonia. On the last day of the month Tropical Depression 14F formed to the northeast Fiji.
South-West Indian – Severe Tropical Storm Izilda was the only storm to form in the South-West Indian Ocean this month; however the extratropical remnants of Ilsa moved into the region from the Australian basin.
Member of the month
The member of the month is... Ramisses, has been a member of the Project since January 2008. He is a usefull editor who helps to make the trackmaps for the current season articles, as well as numerous other storms, from previous seasons. We just hope he is able to keep on top of the trackmaps when the busy part of the year comes!
Project News
There is a discussion on the state of the project, discussing whether it still works like it used to, and what can be done about it. One extreme position is labeling the project inactive, while another position is eliminating some of the bureaucracy. Input would be very beneficial.
As part of the above discussion, there is a request for all active members to sign a list to affirm they are still active members in the project. If you don't sign the list, or if you don't consider yourself active anymore, your name will be placed on the inactive members list on May 1st.
Hurricanehink has organised a challenge to try and improve some of the Tropical cyclone articles. The rules are that you must take either an seasonal or a storm article from one of the eight basins we have, that is either a Stub, Start class or a brand new article and improve it to at least GA status. However to avoid several articles on cyclones that did not affect land, Hurricanehink has limited the challenge to storms/seasonal articles of Mid-importance or higher. Their is an exception to this rule for the Central Pacific as Cyclones rarely form in this basin. - For full details of the challenge see the Project's Talkpage
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I'm sorry to bother you today, but an IP is removing sources from the Lega Nord article and putting many tags in the article. Some of these can be OK (I'm not the one who can judge the neutrality of the article: I edited it, as I did with every article about Italian political parties and factions), but others are very strange as one tag the "leadership" section as unencyclopedic and put "fact" or "refsection" tags where there are sources! Moreover the IP does not answer to my questions and responses to his questions, while making total rollbacks, even changing some parts I changed after his request (as in the case of Erminio Boso: the IP considered OR to describe him as a "marginal figure" of the party and indeed I changed that by writing "Lega Nord politician").
When you have time (I understand if today and tomorrow you don't!), I ask for your mediation. As a third-party administrator, I'm sure you will fix the issue. In the meantime I will continue to discuss with the IP, even if he is not showing any respect to me as I'm doing to him. --Checco (talk) 12:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
For the first time since the introduction of this currency in Slovenia, I found yesterday a Slovenian one-euro coin in circulation in France. I wonder why they are so rare. Do you meet them more often in Austria? I would like to know if Misplaced Pages users from other European countries have already find them. Švitrigaila (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I see them occasionally, yeah -- the reason is simply that they are allowed to mint very few of them (small country). —Nightstallion21:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Besides, they have only been around for a few years -- the coins from the other countries have been taken across borders to other countries for years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.237.205.13 (talk) 07:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
All images of EU institutions in Brussels to be removed from Commons?
Decide!, founding member of the PdL of which Daniele Capezzone is now spokesman, was deleted and I was not even informed of the proposed deletion, as it usually happens. I don't think it was a good decision (!)... Can you retrieve it? --Checco (talk) 07:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I've done both the things you asked me. Regarding the referendum, please check my English because I'm not particularily happy with what I wrote as I needed to use techincal terms I'm not sure of.
But why didn't you take a look to the two articles I signalled you, The People of Freedom and Lega Nord. Regarding the latter, when I have time in next days or weeks, I will find more sources and fix the text, then I would gladly like to see what you think of the article and if some tags will be still appropriate. When my work is finished, I will let you know. --Checco (talk) 11:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I meant to do that, but forgot. What precisely do you need help with? Adding sources is a good idea, yeah. —Nightstallion11:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
No problem, I will tell you later when I will need your help with Lega Nord and the PdL.
It is my bad English... PD leader Franceschini proposed the unification of the various elections and referendums in one date in order to spare money (the PD says more than 400 million euros, while Maroni, the Interior minister, spoke of 173 million): holding the elections and the referendum in different days costs more than holding them on the same day. Also Berlusconi is obviously interested in sparing money as they are not good times for Italy: the economic crisis, the Abruzzo earthquake... --Checco (talk) 11:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Antother article about an Italian party was deleted and I was not informed of the proposed deletion before. The Green Front was a small party, but I don't understand why I was not informed of the deletion and if I should continue to write articles about every single party in Italy. One or two years ago you told me that you thought that all those small parties deserved a page in en.Wiki. Did things change? --Checco (talk) 06:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Apparently, you don't need to be notified of PROD AFD (typo, sorry), which I find very strange... I've undeleted it, but again, could you explain? —Nightstallion08:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Note that this was an AFD, not a PROD (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Green Front). My closure was based on the deletion discussion, where I interpreted consensus to be "delete". Perhaps the correct venue for this would be WP:DRV or at least to open a new AfD to reach a broader consensus. I'm a new admin, so I'm not entirely sure what the correct procedure for this is, but a simple undelete with no additional process doesn't seem to jibe with deletion policy. —LinguistAtLarge • Talk15:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I tend to go by BOLD more often than not; I've got no problems with having another AFD discussion, I just would prefer it if the creator of the article were actually notified of an AFD. —Nightstallion16:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Monarchies in the PRC.
Should Indonesia be pink because of Yogyakarta? --131.215.220.112 00:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, as should South Africa and the PRC; Samoa is no longer a monarchy, too. I've updated the map. —Nightstallion 23:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
-- People's Republic of China? What there?
Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 93.80.206.228 (talk) 20:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.206.228 (talk)
-- I greately respect the cause of Tibet, but this map is about existing monarchies. Tibet is not an existing monarchy. Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 93.80.206.228 (talk) 00:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
-- That map is about the monarchies that really exist today, i. e. that are in fact able to enforce their power on their territories and are recognised by foreign states. Or else we would have to include millions of claimants and pretenders, some of which are quite rightful heirs, from all over the World. Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 95.24.162.106 (talk) 22:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
No, it's also about recognised subnational monarchies, and Tibet is recognised by the PRC (though they disagree about who the leader is). —Nightstallion11:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
-- Does the PRC actually recognise Tibet as a monarchy? Which leader do they recognise? Can you please give some link? Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 95.24.75.223 (talk) 01:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Feel free to google it yourself, there's lots of sources out there about the PRC picking the next Panchen Lama instead of the native Tibetan choice etc. —Nightstallion09:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
-- I checked it. Here is what wikipedia says about the type of government in Tibet: "The Tibet Autonomous Region is a province-level entity of the People's Republic of China. It is governed by a People's Government, led by a Chairman. In practice, however, the Chairman is subordinate to the branch secretary of the Communist Party of China. As a matter of convention, the Chairman has almost always been an ethnic Tibetan, while the party secretary has almost always been a non-Tibetan. The current Chairman is Qiangba Puncog, who is a native of Qamdo Prefecture. The current party secretary is Zhang Qingli, who has previously been the party secretary of Tai'an and Lanzhou, and commander of the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps." Nowhere have I been able to find proof that Tibet is a monarchy recognised by the PRC. The Panchen Lama is the second-senior religious figure (and de facto most senior now in the PRC) of tibetian buddhism, but he is not the Monarch of Tibet. Unfortunately, I can't agree that Tibet IS a monarchy. Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 95.24.209.112 (talk) 23:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
The subnational monarchies in e.g. Uganda or other African states also aren't official parts of the administrative structure of the state. The Panchen Lama and Dalai Lama are principally officially recognised as spiritual leaders by the PRC, and as such technically Tibet is a subnational monarchy. —Nightstallion06:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
No, the 4 Kingdoms out of 5 in Uganda (except Arkole) ARE officially recognised by the Government of Uganda. It is the same way in many African countries. In some, they are not recognised officially by the sovereign republican governments, but do manage to function, however. The PRC does recognise Panchen Lama Gyaincain Norbu as the spiritual head of the Tibetian religion, but not as a head of state. A spiritual leader is not always a Monarch (to say more, in most cases he is not a Monarch). Also, the PRC does not recognise the Dalai Lama in any position. Also, any monarchial type of government is completely incapable to function in Tibet at the moment, Tibet is now comletely at the disposal of the republican government of China. So, all that makes that there is no monarchy in Tibet whatever fictional or effective. The Dalai Lama is a mere pretender, despite the fact that he is a rightful pretender and his cause is respectable. But such pretenders exist in every single point of the World. Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 93.81.148.242 (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
No, the Ugandan monarchies are not part of the official administrative structure, and in that regard it's similar to Tibet's case with the Lamas. —Nightstallion16:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages: "Like Buganda, Bunyoro, and Busoga, Toro's monarchy was abolished in 1967 by the government of Uganda, but was reinstated in 1993." Also, not every Lama is a Monarch. Only the Dalai Lama was the Monarch prior to 1959. Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 95.24.222.86 (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you seem to either fail to understand me or refuse to do so. The traditional kingdoms in Uganda are not part of the administrative infrastructure (they're not districts of Uganda or anything like that), but they are recognised as cultural institutions. The situation with Tibet in China is the same. —Nightstallion19:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Even if the Ugandan Kingdoms are not part of the administrative system, but they are RECOGNISED by the Government (that was what we were talking about in the first place). Considering Tibet, even if the PRC does recognise the cultural institution, but not every cultural institution is a monarchy (in fact, few are). The PRC does not recognise THIS cultural institution as a monarchy. Alexei Zyryanov, aide to Emir Sergei, the Head of UAE Russian Colony 93.81.178.245 (talk) 21:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Yep, Samoa's a republic. In my view, on a strict interpretation of the definition of "republic" Samoa was actually a republic on independence from New Zealand in 1962. I see you've also had arguments with the same anon editor over the PRC... --Lholden (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
'stallion, hi! I need some advice. An anon 83.71.240.122 has placed the following prose on Libertas Institute and Libertas Party: It is now widespread public knowledge that the Libertas party and its sister entities used lies in their advertising campaign in their effort to convince the electorate to vote against The Lisbon Treaty. The most noticeable example of this was when they pretended that the EU would force Irish citizens to be conscripted into a European army which is never mentioned in the Treaty. and placed a citation. This places me in an uniquely painful position: I think that the prose is correct(ish), but I know the edit is wildly POV, the cited source doesn't support the edit (and indeed, doesn't even mention Libertas by name), and the editor is putting them in wildly inappropriate places in the article. I can't afford to get caught up in an edit war on this: there's too much to be done and there's too much Libertas news coming in for me to divert my attention. But I don't want to see the article deteriorate into a "Libertas is GREAT and Ganley is the true Messiah"/"Libertas is EVIL and Ganley smells of poo" POVbattleground. So any advice you can give would be welcome. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 23:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, a first step would be to simply semi-protect the article for two or three months; I see grounds for doing so, so just say so. If the anon registers and continues to do this, we'll have to see what else we can do. —Nightstallion09:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Apparently you restored this article that was deleted per this AfD because the original creator was not notified. While notifying the original creator is not necessary per AfD instructions, I can see that it would have been better for the nominator to have done so. However, the way it stands now, the article is stuck in limbo with a 'consensus to delete' and an overriding of that consensus by an admin with no effort to seek a new consensus. This is less than optimal. Could you please seek a deletion review or, at the least, ask the original nominator to resubmit an AfD so that we can have consensus on the fate of this article? Thanks. --RegentsPark (My narrowboat) 00:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I've asked him to renominate for AfD. (What I dislike the most is that the creator was not even notified after the AfD was extended for lack of participation, so that was probably the reason why I WP:BOLDly undeleted it.) —Nightstallion09:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I think it is good to have new AfDs on the subject (see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Green Front and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Decide!), but I'm sorry that en.Wiki is resembling it.Wiki and I'm especially annoyed by the fact that there's no need of notifying the author of th article in case of AfD. Do you remember when you chose to start many articles about tiny parties in en.Wiki that were undergoing deletion process in it.Wiki? If these two articles are deleted many more articles will be deleted in the future, so that we may eventually need notability rules for parties... The last time we discussed this I was not keen on this, but I may change my point of view if deletions become usual in en.Wiki. What do you think? --Checco (talk) 07:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Do you suppose what? Anyway I would think many times before writing an article about a party that coulod be deleted, without even a notification of the AfD to me. For the articles we already have, I ask you to keep an eye on all those minor parties you collected into Template:Italian political parties in 2007. By the way, isn't time to change the title of that template to something like Template:Italian political parties (complete) (currently a redirect)? --Checco (talk) 18:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll suppose we'll have to think about WP:N for political parties, or at least for Italian ones (as the problem isn't really big in other countries). Yeah, I should move it back, but I really don't know how to organise the template any more... —Nightstallion18:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Once again, this month, we have a bumper crop of featured and A-class content, and our heartfelt thanks go to editors who have worked so hard to write these. But with our growth in quality content comes increased demand for reviewers. Which is where you can help.
Reviewing is easy and rewarding. You don't need any prior experience and you don't need to write a full review. Any input is helpful so you initially can just comment on what you're comfortable with. Most reviewers start off by focusing one or two things – say, the historical context, or the text, or the references, or the layout, or the images – and as they gain experience, they broaden the scope of the review. You can easily keep up to date with which articles need review, by copying this text – {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} – to your userpage or talkpage. Thanks in anticipation, Roger Davies
JonCatalán has been awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of his distinguished service as a coordinator of this project, his thorough article reviews, and his exemplary contributions to 14 featured articles, one featured topic, and many A-Class and good articles.
Sorry, in hindsight my comment seems rather rude! I mean "Megawati contests..." was ungrammatical as it used simple present tense rather than "will contest", "is contesting" or "is to contest". I was at the end of a late night after entering votes and percentages for 38 parties on a results template, and I've been fighting a running battle to stop people editing the article and adding their guesses about who will stand. Forgive my pickiness... Regards Davidelit (talk) 09:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
'stallion, hi! I've just added an entry at ANI, but I'd like an admin to look at my entry to see if it's a balanced assessment: I'm not sure I can maintain the proper distance. If you fancy the job, the entry is here. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Schengen visa requirments for Caribbean & Mauritius/Seycelles
You added these countries to the Schengen visa free list. However I believe that for most of them, the relavanet treaties have yet to be signed. Do you have a source for the expansion ? At the moment I can only find an implementation date for Maurtius (June 1) . Passportguy (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Request for help
I thought it might be a good idea to run a contest or two through the Countries WikiProject to attract editors to improve country coverage on Misplaced Pages, especially the country outlines.
I noticed you are a member of the WikiProject, and was wondering if you could help.
I've posted a message at Countries WikiProject talk page to get discussion started on what the awards programs should be and how they should be run.
Your ideas and feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. It's coming to the end of things, now: woo, election approaches. Libertas Belgium would be, er, interesting: I can't see "Brussels elites are BAD" playing well in, er, Brussels. The lack of a Libertas Denmark is probably due to Jens-Peter Bonde not wanting to s**t where he eats. But why no Libertas Cyprus, Libertas Luxembourg, Libertas Finland? Finland is Northern European, ScandoBaltic, former Hanseatic League, seems fertile ground for Euroscepticism. Or am I missing something obvious? The closer to Russia you get, the more Europhilic one becomes? The former Warsaw Pact EU member states seem firmly pro-Lisbon, even after including Vaclav Klaus. Even the Latvians (whose economy is...well, dying) aren't going "Bah, naughty EU" and shaking fists.
Anyway, Libertas, for all its faults, is here to stay: I can't see it vanishing after the elections - it'll will probably get some MEPs, it may get quite a few, and God knows it's not short of money. Ganley will probably get personally elected: he's standing in the same constituency that elected Dana, and it's got precedent for electing anti-abortion MEPs: given that and the fact he's the local billionaire, they might as well just give it to him now. The French Libertas MEPs will get elected, he may get a smattering in the Baltics & Czechia, though he'll get none in UK, Spain & Portugal: the Brit Eurosceptics will eat him alive and the Iberians have really shot themselves in the foot. Poland may go big(ish) for Ganley: the telemedia are firmly on his side and he's got someRadio Maryja support. I figure about 10-20 MEPs for Libertas: too small for a group, so he'll have to play nice with the others (a sight to see). I wonder who's group he'll join...