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Framingham, Massachusetts

Would you please take some few minutes to read the "Your changing of headers and footers in NRHP county lists" section on my talk page and the "NRHP headers" section on Clariosophic's talk page, and then go to the "Historic places in Framingham, Massachusetts" link from my talk page section? Not asking you to do anything otherwise at the moment, but I'd appreciate it if you'd watch this link and help reply to this other editor, Jerem43, if necessary. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 04:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Shoppers World.

Read the article. The original name was Shopper's World. After it was torn down and replaced with the strip mall, it is now called Shoppers World, no apostrophe 's'. The original name of the article was the correct one. --Jeremy (blah blah) 06:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting that. --Jeremy (blah blah) 06:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

SD Lists

Hi - I've replied to your latest post at wt:SDAK. Like I said there, I hope that my earlier posts didn't make it sound like I thought your work in the area or the lists themselves were unimportant or anyting, I was just coming from a state-wide, big picture outlook, and I guess this means that sometimes things like this get rated as being of lower importance than some would like. By the way, I do like the idea of filling out the image sections of these a bit; I've added a few photos to the Minnehaha County list, and I'll dig around to see if I have any more that I didn't upload for whatever reason. AlexiusHoratius 07:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Awww, so you're tableising this now? I had seen that it hadn't been done, so I'd planned to do it. I guess I'll have to go to Tennessee...Nyttend (talk) 03:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ebyabe is doing a little Tennessee work now, but I'm doing a complete overhaul, so it should be ready soon. Perhaps you remember my procedure (do everything in Preview mode or in Notepad, not posting until everything is ready), so it will be a little while until you can see any changes from my work, but then it should be rather rapid. I hope to get to Indiana sometime soon (all the other states around my Ohio are finished), but it's had some tables in place for a long time. Nyttend (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Picture question

In this edit, a photo was added from the property's NRHP listing. Clearly the tag is incorrect, as it's marked PD for being the work of an NPS employee. However, this is a post office, and the USPS appears to have been the nominator: is this PD-US-Gov of some sort? Would appreciate a more informed opinion than mine. Nyttend (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page, but I did contact the NPS and just got their answer back: the response was, in effect, well, we thought we could release them, but we can't, so everything we say on the focus website's wrong. So much for that, I've tagged them for deletion on Commons. I believe I'll approach the Wyoming SHPO and see if Richard Collier might be willing to give us OTRS permission to use his work - he's covered nearly everything in Wyoming and his work is of high quality. Maybe this will motivate the NPS to correct their notices, but I'm not holding my breath.Acroterion _(talk) 12:17, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I brought up the issue of the NPS tag/employee work on Commons, but the point is now moot, I believe - having a tag for NRHP-derived images would imply a precedent that doesn't exist. Acroterion _(talk) 12:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Mistake in Sioux County Courthouse (Harrison, Nebraska)

In your new article, Sioux County Courthouse (Harrison, Nebraska), the info in the infobox is for the Orange City, Iowa Sioux County Courthouse, not the Nebraska one. I'd fix it myself, but I don't know the correct info. --TheCatalyst31 18:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! Fixed. doncram (talk) 18:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Ambrose Hall reply

Ok, thanks for your advice. I haven't found anyone else in Scott County, Iowa in my tours of Misplaced Pages, so I might just be stuck creating/photoing them myself, doing a few here and there. Is there a NRHP website that describes and gives histories of each place? CTJF83Talk 19:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Triggerhappy?

Don't take things so seriously, but in a "pot meet kettle" moment, you do understand that your creation of multiple disambig pages for articles that don't even exist is pretty much a definition of trigger happy? Flesh out one set of articles before making another disambig page with five redlinks. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 01:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that I used a PROD and and not an AFT tag; a PROD tag, unlike even a speedy tag, is allowed to be removed from the article by the article's creator. For simplicity's sake, it's a way of being able to go "hey, this right here might not be the best way to go about things". It's not my project, and I'm not in any groups/committees; I just happen to dislike in general the creation of contentless stubs and/or edits/creations that form an inordinate amount of redlinks. If this is the way it is going to work for you/you-folks, then go right ahead, I just get wary of the current, in-the-process results of a "half-assed" (to use the simplest term that comes to mind) disambig page (in the sense that there is not at this time anything to disambig). Best of luck with the work. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I have lost my way

I am in the midst of too many things and have lost my way. What is more important; work on Syr list per comments at peer review, lay in more county tables in MO, work on towns in AR, then MO? I have the day off, and may be able to do a little, around some other errands. Lvklock (talk) 14:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Have decided to do a bit of clean-up in MO, then back to AR. Lvklock (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm back at it. Going back to work on MO list I was looking at earlier. Lvklock (talk) 23:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced dab

This:

Clarksville Historic District may refer to:

• Clarksville Historic District (Clarksville, Missouri), listed on the NRHP in Missouri
• Clarksville Architectural District, Clarksville, TN, listed on the NRHP in Tennessee
• Clarksville Industrial District (Clarksville, Tennessee), listed on the NRHP in Tennessee
• Clarksville Historic District (Austin, Texas), listed on the NRHP in Texas
• Clarksville Historic District (Clarksville, Virginia), listed on the NRHP in Virginia

{{disambig}}

should go in Clarksville Historic District (disambiguation), not at the base name. (Which I can do, but that'd put my ID in the edit history instead of yours). This holds true in general for new places. If only one thing has an article of its own, then it's the primary topic. A disambiguation page may be needed, but please do not move the primary topic away from the base name to create it. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

And, for what it's worth, the creation of stub articles also does not necessarily mean that the primary topic article ceases to be the primary topic. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think this edit still needs to be reverted. Otherwise there's no way to get to the dab page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I just opened a requested move discussion at Talk:Clarksville Historic District (disambiguation) to fix the situation / undo your previous moves. Discussion to continue there. doncram (talk) 19:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009

You have made a bold move. It has been reverted, twice. Discuss instead of continuing the move war, or start a normal WP:RM process. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

NRHP William Conner House

Currently the infomation and infobox about the NRHP William Conner House is located at William Conner. Do you think it is more appropriate there in the relevant biography article or at Conner Prairie, where the house is actually located and where people would go to visit it? I would like to expand the Conner Prairie article, but I don't want to duplicate information. I definitely do not think the house should be a separate article (yet). Thanks, Reywas92 17:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The NRHP infobox for the William Conner House is currently at William Conner#William Conner's house, but I will move the infobox and most of that text to Conner Prairie and expand it. I agree that the places are generally notable enough for an article, but that doesn't mean they always need one if there is another appropriate article it would fit into. No, I was about to expand Conner Prairie; I didn't come from the Hamilton County list, but I will surely be using it in the future. Thanks for the link, it looks quite useful. Reywas92 18:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

David Jones House

Question about this edit — by putting the street in the name of the property, doesn't it make it look as if the property name includes the street name? The reader shouldn't have any difficulty distinguishing the two sites in the table, since there's the address line nearby, but it might be rather confusing to find that we're giving something other than the official name when the official name isn't in error. Nyttend (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you have to show the reader that they will go to 2 different places if they click on the 2 different David Jones House articles. You have to show something different. I've done this in a fair number of other places. Some editors prefer to use different years of construction in making distinguishing names, and i like using the full street address number and then street, but I followed ur choice to use the road names in the actual article titles that you were suggesting. doncram (talk) 23:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for not saying what I meant — I mean "by displaying the name of the property in the table", as in making it appear as "David Jones House (High Street)", as if the official name included the parentheses. I agree that it's necessary to include an address in the actual link. So you think it's better to include street address? I don't care: if you think that's better, please change the links. Nyttend (talk) 00:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No, you were perfectly clear, and/or i didn't misunderstand. House number doesn't matter either way. I think what is important is not to be surprising to the wikipedia reader when they follow a link. A parenthetical phrase is the best idea i have for what to show. It absolutely must be different, else you hit the surprise factor which is intolerable. doncram (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

In that case, I misunderstood your response. Sorry...Nyttend (talk) 01:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Missouri, Counties O–St.

I'm done with my run through of this list. That means I've checked all blue links, verified that old list items are all in the new list, checked towns and done redirects where necessary and left the notes for issues for you to look at where the old lists were. There are several things for you to cast your eyes over, then you can tally the list. If you want me to make a list here of the items, so that you don't need to go through the list looking for them, I can. Lvklock (talk) 23:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I noticed your note to Ebyabe/Nyttend. I followed up there, telling them to let me know if they were gonna do one or the other. I also have some Syracuse list stuff to do. AWB, I guess I can try to figure it out. What did you have in mind for me to do with it? Lvklock (talk) 00:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, where's that who has thing of Elkman's? I need it. Lvklock (talk) 01:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I found it. But now I screwed up something, and I don't know how to fix it. I made DAB page for Frenchtown historic district, which should have been Frenchtown Historic District. I tried to create Frenchtown Historic District, and was then going to change Frenchtown historic district to a redirect. But, Frenchtown Historic District took me to Frenchtown historic district. Can you either fix it or tell me how? Thanks. Lvklock (talk) 03:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Lvklock (talk) 06:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll do some work on referencing the summaries in the Syracuse list, unless there's something urgent elsewhere? Lvklock (talk) 15:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Guess I'm not gonna work on this right away. Shall I go to AR or MO? Lvklock (talk) 02:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm so confused. So, if I'm not taking time to make geostubs, I should just change the list entry itself to Arkansas, not do a redirect? I so thought I was doing it right! Lvklock (talk) 19:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I'll get back to AR now. Lvklock (talk) 20:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

more disambigs

I have them listed at the bottom of this page. Thanks! --Ebyabe (talk) 02:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Data table in Borden House

I think you may have accidentally pasted part of an NRHP data dump in the disambig page for Borden House, but I don't know if it's supposed to be there commented out for bots, or removed, or what, so I'll let you decide. --Closeapple (talk) 04:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Beebe Windmill

I've had a go at expanding the article, see comments at WT:NRHP. Mjroots (talk) 05:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the image of the machinery would be better in the NRHP infobox. That way the thin column of text would be removed. Mjroots (talk) 12:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for developing the article. About the image placement, feel free to move it back into the NRHP infobox. I moved it out when wondering how to fix the embedded display problem, which turned out to be a different matter (M vs. N in spelling of "embed"). But where i have left it, the picture is alongside the text describing the machinery, which is helpful. And the infobox is not longer than the whole article. So I think it is a matter of taste, whether you dislike a thin column of text or whether you dislike the too-long infobox and gap below the text description. Please do feel free to rearrange the layout as you like. I am done for now. Thanks! doncram (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hundreds of stub lists

While I understand splitting out lists of NRHPs from statewide lists for counties with the most listings, there is absolutely no reason to have a sublist for every single county, which is what User:Ebyabe has been doing with AWB. For some counties it's appropriate to split, but most abolutely not. There's National Register of Historic Places listings in Crawford County, Indiana, which only has one member! With 3,077 counties in the United States, I'm sure you understand there should not be a page for every one of them. Doing so only dilutes the quality of the statewide lists. Now Ior someone else will have to merge and redirect many of these new county lists. Ebyabe did create tables for all the listings, but there should not be list for every county. Reywas92 16:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much agree; see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#small county list-articles discussion which i opened. However i don't think it is going to cost much extra work to move the separated tables to the state-wide page or to new partial-state pages. Please discuss a way to reorganize Indiana NRHP tables at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Indiana, i'll comment there. doncram (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Former NHL

Sorry to keep asking you, but you are one of the major NRHP people. On List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana, Milwaukee Clipper is listed as a former NHL, but it actually isn't. It was just moved to Michigan. Since it was designated in Illinois and is now in Michigan, should it even be listed on the Indiana list, much less called former? Reywas92 19:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, between Illinois and Michigan, it was in Hammond, Indiana for seven years (1990-1997). --Ebyabe (talk) 01:38, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying that I should keep it in the article? But then what should I call it? It's not a former NHL. Also, before I put it in the articles, what do you think about the template I just made: Template:NHLs in IN? Reywas92 01:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in New York#Former NHLs in New York has the same issue and uses the text "former". I believe former could include "Demolished", "Moved", and "Delisted". dm (talk) 02:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Good i'm glad they're several people responding here, nice to hear from u Dm. Yeah, the Former NHLs in NY title was meant to collect together ones which were formerly NHLs in NY for different reasons. I'd argue that the ship was formerly an NHL in IN, too, but since there's just the one former of any type, you can choose to use a more specific phrase. I see you have it at "Moved National Historic Landmark" now, a bit odd. How about "NHL formerly located in Indiana"? I do think there's value in showing in the state list what was there but is there no longer. doncram (talk) 05:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

List of RHPs in AR

Conway Co; Cedar Creek Bridge lists Petit Jean State Park under Cit or Town. Then there thirteen separate buildings in Petit Jean State Park, but they are listed in Winrock. Would you change the Cedqar Creek Bridge one to Winrock (noting it at NRIS issues)? Lvklock (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done covered, resolved elsewhere: no, not sure it is in winrock town or not, park could be bigger, leave to AR locals to fix later. doncram (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Who the heck would name their kid Noel Neal? Lvklock (talk) 16:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Where are you up to, in AR? Lvklock (talk) 00:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Just 4 M counties left, on the L-O list. Why does Arkansas seem so big? It didn't seem this big the time I drove across it. Lvklock (talk) 03:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Snuck in Madison Co. before work this am. I suppose we're making progress. :) Lvklock (talk) 12:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, look at Miller Co, J.K. Wadley house. Missing date, address and town shifted left. This is an edit error, nnot an NRIS error, right? Lvklock (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, you fixed it.  Done

Also, Mandeville, in the town column...Mandeville, Arkansas redirects to Texarkana metropolitan area. Would you leave it that way? Lvklock (talk) 00:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Mandeville, Arkansas article created.  Done

Washington County, Durham School. Needs dab. Existing article for Durham School in England. Your expertise. :) Lvklock (talk) 19:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Durham School disambiguation page set up.  Done

Also, Headquarters House. Existing article NRHP in Boston Lvklock (talk) 19:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Headquarters House changed to a dab for Boston and Arkansas ones and one other similar.  Done

And Ridge House, which redirects to a CA school whose campus has a Ridge House. Lvklock (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ridge House a dab page now.  Done

Shiloh Church, existing article NRHP in RI. Lvklock (talk) 20:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Shiloh Church a dab now.  Done

White Couty, Plummer House, another NRHP has the name. Lvklock (talk) 02:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

White County has thre Lightle Houses, plus two more with first names, all in Searcy. Lvklock (talk) 05:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Lightle House dab set up, and the 3 named same in same county set up to show (Street) disambiguation in list-article, to have (Street, City, State) names underneath pipelinks.  Done

Stone County, Pictograph Cave, NRHP in Montana has the name. Lvklock (talk) 04:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Pictograph Cave disambig created.  Done

At this point, I believe A-O are all done, and I've done all I do for R-S and T-Z, they just need some DABs from you. That will just leave the P's, which of course includes Pulaski County where there are 288. It's progress, anyway. Lvklock (talk) 05:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I did more in R-S just now, including creating some other dabs like Mann House and Stokes House which weren't bluelinks yet but are common names. I believe that R-S is all finished up, except for tallying on the state page. Yes, a lot of progress, now that our expectations of progress are lowered... :) doncram (talk) 08:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, since your expectations were highest, I guess you'd have to do the most lowering of them. You actually continually surprise me with things I haven't been doing that I "should" have.  :) Anyway, we had to do some lowering last year, too. It's good for us to leave some room for improvement. I'm absolutely no good with figuring out what are common enuf names to require DAB, unless they're bluelinked. Oh, darn, that reminds me that somehwere there was a Christ the King Church I need to check on. Well, I'm not gonna be online for a while...hopefully later if the internet is working where I'm going. If not, I'll be back to it tomorrow sometime. Lvklock (talk) 13:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Did Christ the King, as a dab and pipelinking the Sebastian County, AR one. Caught up with your disambig notes for now. The bluelinked ones are the most important, the only obviously needed ones. Some of "common" ones i do are optional for now, but I think they help build disambiguation structure that will be needed more obviously later, and head off future needs for others to change in multiple places (which they might or might not do). Thanks! doncram (talk) 19:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I see you're working in Pulaski Co, right now. Is there still town stuff in the P-Prairie list? If not, where shall I work? Lvklock (talk) 23:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Indiana NRHP disambigs

Here's the ones I found. Any questions, you know where I'm at:

Annadale (North Vernon, Indiana)

Annadale, Staten Island

Annadale dab created with these.  Done

Aurora Public Library

Aurora Public Library (Aurora, Indiana)

dab created  Done

Free Church

Free Church (Angola, Indiana)

dab developed  Done

Goshen Historic District

Goshen Historic District (Goshen, Indiana)

Disambiguation page Goshen Historic District  Done, although other issues relating to two items on it, for which i created stub articles, continue at Talk of List of RHPs in CT. doncram (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Lakeville High School

Lakeville High School (Lakeville, Indiana)

Pennsylvania Railroad Station

Pennsylvania Railroad Station (Fort Wayne, Indiana)

St. Joseph School

St. Joseph School (South Bend, Indiana)

Twin bridges

Twin Bridges (Danville, Indiana)

Wells Street Bridge

Wells Street Bridge (Fort Wayne, Indiana)

Woodbank

Woodbank (Culver, Indiana)

Btw, my favorite list is for Parke County. 'Cause I love me the covered bridges. :) -Ebyabe (talk) 01:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

On a segue from the same subject, if you are engaged in disambiguating these, note that there seem to be at least two "St. Joseph Schools" in South Bend, IN. In addition to the one on the National Register, there's St. Joseph's High School (South Bend, Indiana) (different coordinates). --Orlady (talk) 23:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. I started St. Joseph School as a dab, temporarily, but it needs to be merged/redirected to St. Joseph's School, much bigger dab. doncram (talk) 21:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Untagging of mistakenly-tagged NRHP articles

I've now removed {{coord missing}} from a total of 223 NRHP-tagged articles which had been marked as "Address Restricted" in the database, and I've also blocked the bot from adding tags to any page which contains {{infobox nrhp}}. I will re-scan again in a couple of days to check whether I've got them all. -- The Anome (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I've now done another scan, this time with a third search strategy based on dump information, which found (and fixed) only another 16 more. That's probably the last of them, or nearly so. I've also added a rule to the bot that blocks the addition of new tags to any article with a category containing the words "national register of historic places", even if it does not contain an NRHP infobox. -- The Anome (talk) 23:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Coahoma County, Mississippi

Hello. This list includes a Woolworth Building which you added separately from the rest of the article. I'm interested in creating an article but I can't seem to find the listing on multiple different NPS searches like this one or this one. It looks like most of your list is not appearing though. Do you happen to recall what your source for the list was? (Ultimately, I'm looking for the submission form to get info for an article.) ThanksRevelationDirect (talk) 09:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The Woolworth one is a relatively new listing in late March, 2009. I just added a footnote to its entry, attached to its date field, pointing to the National Park Service's weekly listing report that announced it. The source for most of the table entries is the NRIS database, made available through a download which covers up to early March, 2009. I believe that they refresh their own publicly available search database to that point as well. User:Elkman downloaded that and makes various reports available. The NPS makes new downloads available only occasionally, like every 6 months or so. So Elkman's reports and the online NPS reports do not have more recent listings. However the NPS pulbicly report new NRHP listings, delistings, and other status changes on a weekly basis at a webpage: http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/nrlist.htm, and a number of wikipedians pretty much ensure that every announcement, such as the Woolworth Building entry here, is captured in our tables. Hope this helps. Please ask further questions. Are there any other particular ones you question? Also, you may request the NRHP application form for any NRHP-listed property from the National Register directly, for free, by email to nr_reference (at) nps.gov . For some states, the state's own NRHP program office may also make documents available on-line, but I am not aware of Mississippi doing that. doncram (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Courthouses

I've replied per your request. By the way, thanks for leaving notice at the other pages, since NRHP courthouses are definitely not only an NRHP thing. Nyttend (talk) 01:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: NRHP stuff

I did check the NRHP webpage, and I noticed that The Washington House Inn was not on there, but I was just there yesterday and there was a plaque on the front of the building stating that it is an NRHP site. I think that I'll check the Cedarburg Public Library to check this information. Also, if you need any help with stub articles on NRHP places in Ozaukee County, i think i can be of some major assistance, since i do live in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loopygrumpkins (talk • contribs) 20:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I Thank you for pointing that out to me. I was not aware of that. I was thinking that notable places with smaller amounts of information could be given their own small sections on the main article of the district that they are located in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loopygrumpkins (talk • contribs) 03:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

NRHP colors

Was the issue with NRHP colors ever sorted out? There was talk about deleting certain colors, but I never heard anything else about it. I'd like to add the NPS designations to Template:Designation/doc, but I don't want to add any without having the color issue sorted out. Any information? Thanks! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 02:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:NRHP colors legend was updated behind the scenes, by four redirects of colors for IHS color and 3 other previously separate colors, per the TfD discussion at Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 May 21#Template:IHS color. doncram (talk) 07:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Ok it appears to me that IHS was redirected to NHS, and all the battlefield designations were redirected to NB. I'll add them accordingly. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Williams Farm

Hi, sorry I didn't notice what the bot was up to here earlier. If in future you find the bot is in error then either just add a hangon to the page and the first admin who gets there should clean it up, ask me to remove the speedy (I'm not always, but often online), or ask the nominator to remove the speedy. I was just about to put a couple more catches in so mistakes like this should be less often. Cheers - Kingpin (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Old Mill

Hi, when you have time, please take a look at this disambiguation page. In particular, look at the discussion on the talk page Best wishes. clariosophic (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've made another suggestion on the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 10:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've redone the page, per the discussion. Have a look and let me know what you think. Mjroots (talk) 08:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if you missed this or not, but I'm awaiting your reply. If this is an acceptable way to do things I'll alter the others similarly. Mjroots (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

please restore Painted Rocks (Theba, Arizona)

Please restore this valid article about a National Register-listed place which I created. You deleted it without notice and without explanation. doncram (talk) 22:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

• It was not deleted - it was moved to Painted Rock Petroglyph Site, which is the official name of the site according to the Bureau of Land Management, who currently operate it. Cheers. Shereth 22:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Rollbacker

Hi. I've been looking over your contributions and you certainly seem to do good work here. I've gone ahead and issued you rollback rights. Please be careful with the privilege - it can be easily lost. I recommend you read practice here before using it. I'm confident you'll use it wisely. If for some reason you don't want it, let me know and I'll revert.

You may wish to display {{User rollback}} on your user page. Happy editing. Toddst1 (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I guess. :) I'm sure it will come in handy on occasion, as there are a lot of articles on my watchlist now and i do see vandalism sometimes. So thanks. But, hmm, i thot no one was watching my edits.... doncram (talk) 04:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Nah, just saw your new article flash by on the new article list and was surprised it hadn't been auto-patrolled. I think that only comes with being an admin, but it got my attention anyway. You're about as solid as they come from my experience. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 04:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, the vast shadowy army lurks, just outside the gate, watching and waiting... ;)

I actually opposed non-admin rollback when it was proposed. I refused it right up until I totally botched an undo on a page so big that it destroyed my broswer-thingy-doo. It took a half-hour to get right, so I opted for having a dumb idea in the first place but being smart enough to realise it. Rollback works very well with popups on your watchlist. (You do use popups, right? It's the essential tool) Do use rollback with care though, only in situations where your edit summary would be basically "rvv". Just like plagiarism, if you never get close to the edges of the definition, you'll never have a problem! Franamax (talk) 04:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, i guess i should be more careful then.... No i have never looked into popups. Looking at wp:popups now. Actually, sometime recently i was told i was now on a "whitelist", but then also i have been getting a fair amount of interruptions from new page patrollers recently, as i do a bunch of new disambig page creationsas part of a secret cleanup campaign. These sometimes are semi-reasonable decisions on their end, but a waste of everyones' time overall because the PROD or whatever they start get cancelled eventually, simply because i know what i am doing, they just don't know that. I guess the whitelist just keeps me off some bot's review. I gather from Toddst1's comments that it is only if i were an admin would i get out of new page patrollers' review. :(. Anyhow, may install that popup capability. Thanks! doncram (talk) 05:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, so you haven't yet decoded the cryptic message in the Misplaced Pages logo that tells you where we all coordinate the secret cleanup campaigns? ;) Do give popups a try, I doubt I could live without it now (it does hang----fire every so often, but usually I just take the mouse away, then hover again) It's awesome for patrolling your own watchlist. Popups actually has its own undo feature, but I find it way easier when I spot a vandal to right-click on the rollback link, then follow the ucontribs link to see what other tricks they've been up to.

Om the NPP issue, that's a difference of culture among editors who pursue differing goals, each valid in their own way i.e. can't have one without the other. I avoid all that through my stern policy of creating as little content as possible. Given that I average around 20 windows and 1 hour per sourced sentence, I'm usually quite able to attain my goal of one actually useful edit per day. :) :( (Try the popups gadget, see what you think) Franamax (talk) 06:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Franamax is right on with the advice, but I don't use popups - hate them. TW and Friendly is all I need. Toddst1 (talk) 16:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Garden City High School (Kansas)

Hey Doncram. Thanks to your help, I recently got the article passed to Good Article status! However, somehow, the NRHP chart is messed up with some sort of error that I don't know how to fix. If you could fix it, I would greatly appreciate it. I am now nominating the article for Featured Article status and I am trying to "polish" the article somewhat. Thanks again for everything. JHawk88 (talk) 07:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm i looked and don't see any syntax problem in your article. But then i see the same problem in other Kansas NRHP infoboxes. So it is a new problem in the NRHP infobox code or in the Kansas map file or something. Reporting it for now first at Template talk:infobox nrhp#Kansas map display error. doncram (talk) 08:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, i just fixed it, by this first practical use by me of rollback, over in the Kansas map file, which is apparently not protected and got a random IP edit, probably an accident. doncram (talk) 08:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Mills task force

I'd support the idea of a task force. You realise that the windmills lists aren't confined to the UK. There's Belgium, France, Germany and the Netherlands too. <g>

One problem I can see is that the coverage of WP:HSITES is coverage of historic sites that are officially designated. While listing would be covered, not all mills are listed buildings. Some windmills that are no longer standing have the potential to have full articles too. Would these be covered? I'll raise the issue at the talk page of the WP. Perhaps we can keep the conversation there. Mjroots (talk) 08:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I've opened the discussion at WT:HS. The lists for European countries are underpopulated in that they generally only cover those mills still standing, with a very few lost mills. The Dutch lists can easily be expanded 10-fold or more by including lost mills. The UK county lists cover all verifiable mills. Those indicated by "Windmill Field", "Windmill Hill" etc have not been included. A verifiable reference to the mill (map, mention in a document) is the minimum to get an entry. Mjroots (talk) 08:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Wrong foot

Hi Doncram,

I believe we got off on the wrong foot with this whole Painted Rocks (Arizona) kerfluffle. My original (and continuing) intent is simply to try and provide the simplest, most accurate information to Misplaced Pages's users. When I came across your original name for the article as Painted Rocks (Theba, Arizona) I believed it to be an honest "overdisambiguation" and moved it to what I believed was a simpler name; I only deleted the redirect because it had no incoming links and, as most parenthetically-disambiguated titles, is an unlikely search term. I did not believe it would set off a firestorm, and for that I apologize.

I also do not wish to come across as trying to downplay the National Registry in the article. I realize that this is an issue you are passionate about so I understand how it could seem that way; again, I was just trying to balance the article as the location is more than just a NRHP site. I have made some recent, minor edits in an attempt to more seamlessly marry the information, and would appreciate if you took a look at it and provided any feedback you see fit.

Again, I understand your interest in NRHP sites and truly appreciate your hard work in that field, and do not want to come across as trying to marginalize that in the least. As I have stated elsewhere, I can be a little overzealous about things myself but I do not want to leave you with the impression that I am out to tear down anyone's hard work or the like. I was somewhat upset by your accusations of edit warring and misuse of the tools, and in return I came back somewhat strong and want to apologize for that; again, I just get defensive when well-intentioned efforts are misinterpreted as something else. It is admittedly my fault for not being more communicative and for that I am sorry.

In any event I appreciate your devotion to the project and sincerely hope that this misunderstanding does not negatively impact any future interactions we may have on Misplaced Pages. I look forward to building upon the work you have started and hopefully better collaboration in the future.

Sincerely, Shereth 16:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Replying to your Talk page. doncram (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

CT NRHP articles

In Connecticut, the town level is where people most strongly identify the place they're in (with very few exceptions). In the tables, listing the town is useful as one can easily sort by town to see what places are in the town. My guiding principle in whether to have separate articles or not for historic districts is basically as follows. If the district is the central area of a principal community (i.e. a well-known section of town based on having distinct identity) then a single article should be made describing the section of town (i.e. the village) and including the historic district. In these cases, whatever the significance of the historic district will be the same as to why the village acquired a distinct identity. I find it irritating to have multiple articles that will be describing the same thing. If the district is basically the town center, it should be merged to the town article for the same reason (historical significane is identical). For the larger towns (including many of the cities of the state), a separate article on the town center is appropriate. In this case, the historic district article would be merged with the town center article.

In the case of Stafford Hollow, it is a village that is not on the state list of principal communities, meaning there is not likely any substantial recorded history available. Since it is not also a town center, it wouldn't necessarily fit in the historical narrative of the town of Stafford. In short, for this particular case, I have no objection about creating a separate article as there is no village/town article appropriate for merging and there would be no duplication of the description and history of the area. I hope you find these principles reasonable and do not object to merging districts where an appropriate village article exists. --Polaron | Talk 20:00, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh I didn't change the town names. In some cases, the town names were not used and I only adjusted them so that everything is a town. As I said, the town level is how place information is primarily thought of locally. There is no "near to" in Connecticut. A point location is in one town or another. I can assure you I have checked all these changes and the list entries are in their appropriate towns. --Polaron | Talk 20:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I copied most of the last response above as a quote into discussion now at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Connecticut#NRHP town name issues. Let's continue there. Thanks for answering about Stafford hollow. I have now just started Stafford Hollow Historic District article. About the principles stated in your first paragraph above, I appreciate you stating your reasoning. I don't know if this exactly slots into discussion at the CT NRHP page, but i don't want to ignore what you said. So let me respond here for now: I don't necessarily agree with those principles, that they should necessarily overrule other principles. They seem to disagree with what has been a good approach to developing the wikipedia on NRHPs in other states, which is basically to start the historic district articles as separate articles, to attract information and photos and so on. It often works out that the sooner started, the sooner they develop into large, good articles which are clearly not appropriate to shoehorn into town articles. That's kind of a farming-type perspective: start them and they will grow. I think that often works better than attempting to confine their development within town articles which have other purposes. Certainly the town articles can and should mention the historic district articles and include summaries. doncram (talk) 22:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I just got back from a trip without Internet, so I've not gotten to your requests yet; I just wanted to note that (having only read what's written here) I think it's entirely appropriate to switch the location for every site to the municipality in states that have MCDs, since the boundaries are much clearer that way: no confusion over whether it's nearer this little village or that little village. I'm off to the talk page to read discussion there. Nyttend (talk) 03:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

whitespace issues in Central Troy HD article

As I told Lvklock, I've tried those solutions too. It seems to be an IE-specific problem (doesn't happen in Firefox or Safari), and I know it's not the first article to have had that problem, either. Maybe there's somewhere technical we could ask about this?

BTW, two other things:

• I was down on Long Island earlier in the week; got some more pics, including all three Town of Babylon listings. Perhaps I should upload the pics and create the articles to add to our "fully-illustrated list" count (like that would be so difficult).

• Got a note from the Park Service in email re this year's NHL photo contest. Now that I have a better camera at my disposal (one with more than 300px res capability), maybe I should reshoot some that I already have. Daniel Case (talk) 03:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Louis Jordan Boyhood Home

"In the place Jordan knew best, his hometown, he is part of the blurry past as residents deal with the region's present-day poverty and unemployment. Jordan's boyhood home is rotting and falling down, and weeds and tall grass surround the building. A homemade sign reads: "Historical Site Boyhood Home of The Legendary Musician Louis Jordan."

The city has condemned the property, and the mayor is waiting for the City Council to appropriate the $2,000 or so needed to tear down the house."

I'm gonna just leave it out of the list. Lvklock (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Righto, good. Clearly not NRHP listed. Interesting quote and newspaper article, perhaps could paste this to the list-article talk page for the person to find, for the person who added the house to the NRHP list. Or not. Thanks! doncram (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mayo House

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Further editing and explanation/discussion at Talk:Mayo House seems to have resolved this. doncram (talk)

Pulaski County

Everything in Arkansas is tallied and done (to my way of thinking anyway) except Pulaski County. I'm starting the DAB list now.

• Exchange Bank Building, Little Rock. Existing article in MN. Lvklock (talk) 01:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation at Exchange Bank started, to which the building one now redirects.  Done

• Federal Reserve Bank Building, Little Rock. Redirects to Federal Reserve Bank Building (Boston). Lvklock (talk) 01:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation started.  Done

• McLean House, Little Rock. Existing article in VA. Lvklock (talk) 02:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Set up McLean House dab.  Done

• Nash House, Little Rock. There are two in Little Rock, same name. Lvklock (talk) 02:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Dab and stub articles for both and entries in the list-article done.  Done

• Parnell Hall, Little Rock. Links to article about author of that name. Lvklock (talk) 02:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Dab set up.  Done

• Remmel Apartments, Little Rock. Three with same name. Lvklock (talk) 02:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
• Trinity Hospital, Little Rock. There's an existing page. Lvklock (talk) 03:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
• Vaughn House, Little Rock. There are two on the list, tho only one shows on whohas. Lvklock (talk) 03:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems like there is one named Vaughn, one named Vaughan. I thot that could be a typo, but there are others of that name elsewhere. Set up Vaughn House and Vaughan House dabs.  Done doncram (talk) 07:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Towns are done, DABs checked through once by me, but you should cast your eyes over the list for those that I missed. Cross-checking old list, done through Gazette Building in Little Rock. But, dozing off while waiting for the page to load, so gotta stop for now. Lvklock (talk) 03:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

You mean you didn't make MY DABs priority and bang them all out while I was sleeping? ;) Lvklock (talk) 12:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna work some on the Pulaski Co list, unless you're in it. Lvklock (talk) 15:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• The Tavern...when I went to start the bluelink, I inadvertently put the info into and created the Efaula page, instead of the Little Rock one. Subsequently I blanked the Efaula page, but it still exists, which made it a blue link. You know what, this is convoluted. I'm just gonna start the Efaula stub. Never mind my rambling... Lvklock (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I added the boundary increase to Hillcrest Historic District. Take a look at it and make sure it's OK? Does the aRemmel Apt one just need to have the things listed in the article? If so, I can do that. Then there's just the Trinity Hospital DAB for you to look at. I'm not sure how to add the NRHP to the existing DAB page. The set-up is a little different than I'm used to. I'm gonna go work on re-numbering Lvklock (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Blue link on DABs

Does there need to be one created article for a DAB page? I thought this was the case, but have since come across some that had blue links only for the state list. If I don't have to make a stub, I won't, happily. But, I can if I must. Lvklock (talk) 01:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes at least one really is needed, else deletionist-leaning editors will eventually find and begin AfD or other deletion process. There's no way to argue against that, except wp:SOFIXIT and/or by starting one or more of the articles. The {{NRHP dab needing cleanup}} tag has usually sufficed to protect all-redlink pages for a while though. If you come across any all redlink-ones, please at least add the NRHP dab needing cleanup tag, or better, go ahead and create an article. I've been hoping to get caught up on all the NRHP dab cleanup ones this month, but more keep arriving. doncram (talk) 01:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for bolding the name for me. The article is now official, tryin' to get it up to B-class MeteorMan7228 05:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what article you are referring to! doncram (talk) 07:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Arsenal Building

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Cape Verdean American

the last months there hasn't been any edit on this web page Cape Verdean American if visited cape verdean american wep pages on google yesterday and saw a few things of cape vereans in rhode island since if followed wikiproject rhode island i wanted to ask you if you could edit somethings on cape verdean american (Questchest (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC))

Pupin Hall

Noticed a few broken references on this page. Thought you might like to know. Viriditas (talk) 14:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

MO

Ste. Genevieve County had this note:

• What are two dates for Ste. Genevieve HD. Should probably be one entry with 2 dates properly described. Was there are boundary increase in 2002? Article needs a little work, it describes 2002 as being the NRHP listing date which is probably incorrect.

It looks to me like the first listing is a NHL district, while the later one is just an NRHP district. They currently have separate articles. I would think that was the only way to handle the distinction. What do you think? Lvklock (talk) 02:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...but the articles seem to be clones. I dunno what to do. One article with the main infobox and one pared down infobox for the boundary increase, with the distinction shown there? Lvklock (talk) 02:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Duh, obviously all the same article. Saw your comments at the list, still confused. Lvklock (talk) 03:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I ended up adding date and ref number of 2nd to first infobox. If you think something else is better, feel free. Lvklock (talk) 04:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

For some reason, MO seems to go faster than AR (thankfully). I'll be back at it tonight. Lvklock (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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I'm prbably not going to be much help for a couple days, as I'm in the hospital waiting to have my gall bladder out. Lvklock (talk) 13:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Upside, I'll be home a few days to make up for it. Lvklock (talk) 22:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Home now. Where can I be the most help in MO? Lvklock (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I renumbered the St L A-L list after adding a couple newer listings to it. When you get a chance, just check the numbers? Lvklock (talk) 00:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

When you did the Argenta Historic District in AR, how did you figure out what individual RHPs were included in the district? Lvklock (talk) 03:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I used information that shows in the Elkman NRHP infobox generator report, but which is in the left column, not in the proposed article text. Sometimes the names of included NRHP properties are spelled out. In other cases, as here, NRHP refnums are given, and i looked up each one of them individually. The list in this case and many others appears to be truncated from what is actually available in NRIS, but i include what it provides. doncram (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

When you get a chance, take a look at St. Stanislaus Kostka Church, from the St. Louis M-Z list. It redirects to St. Stanislaus Kostka Church (St. Louis), mentions one elswhwere (Pittsburgh?) at the top. It works, but isn't exactly the type of DAB I usually see. I'll leave it to you whether to leave it or fix it up. Lvklock (talk) 10:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done dab created --doncram

S.S. Cyril and Methodius Historic District is in the M-Z list. Probably belongs in the A-L list, for Cyril, I would think. What do you think? Lvklock (talk) 22:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Charles Turner Open Air School. Elkman table generator lists under C. Should be under T? Lvklock (talk) 01:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Winston Churchill Apartments. Elkman table generator lists under W. Should be under C? Lvklock (talk) 01:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree that all three of these should be moved to alpabetical order in each case as you suggest. doncram (talk) 02:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done Lvklock (talk) 05:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana

I think I'm finally done with List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana and would like to take it to WP:FLC soon. But first, it would be great if you could review it for me and do whatever you think is necessary. Thanks! Reywas92 19:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and listed it at Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana/archive1, and I invite you to comment. Thanks, Reywas92 18:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Historical marker copyright?

Hi Doncram, I think you are way ahead of me on this, but my understanding is that historical markers are copyrighted material, and that photographs of same are derivative works. I see that User:Staib has a gallery with photos of a number of markers in it. Since I'm not familiar with how to flag these things I thought I would bring it to an expert's attention. Is there some better way to follow up on this sort of thing? pmcyclist (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Photos

Thanks for adding that link. But when I go to it, there's only 2 images, not 13. Where are the rest? wadester16 14:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Columbia-specific HRHD pic

Just letting you know that I finally added a similar Hudson-Catskill view pic to the Columbia County NRHP list, one that was actually taken in the county (from the front of Clermont Manor). Daniel Case (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

CT historic districts

Now they've got me discouraged. Makes me wonder what the point of trying to do this is, if others get to arbitrarily make decisions about whether notable stubs should exist or not. Couldn't get motivated to do anything at all tonight. Lvklock (talk) 04:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to see there's actually been some positive interaction here. Lvklock (talk) 21:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any idea why the time I made the last edit was recorded as 21:54 while the clock at the top of the page said it was 21:51? I've noticed that before. Lvklock (talk) 21:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Historic Districts in Meridian, Mississippi

For the record, I know you were trying to be helpful in creating these stubs (which you actually created.. not just suggested), but I don't think they were necessary. I still think the HD stub for Southport is unnecessary, but I'll dip out of the conversation. Do whatever you want haha; I'll never see the articles anyway. The main point of this message was to show you that I created Historic districts in Meridian, Mississippi. I made all the district articles redirect to their respective sections and used WP:Summary Style on the Meridian, Mississippi and History of Meridian, Mississippi articles. I hold true to the belief that had you not created those stub articles, I would have done this from the beginning and not had to worry with the district stubs. I think trying to keep the most information in one place is best practice for Misplaced Pages, only splitting out articles when they're too long or are overtaken by a certain section or sections. All that aside, we have our different editing styles, and as long as you continue to respect mine, I'll respect yours.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 09:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Your plagiarism comment

"And, also, there is copying in happening from other GFDL sources that is going to cause prodigious amounts of future work to clean up, which could be avoided if proper attribution is not used." I think you mean to say, could be avoided if proper attribution is used. Also, your link to an archive doesn't seem to be there. Lvklock (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I can't firgure out how to read it that it makes sense the way it is, but it's your words, so I bow to your assertion that it does. As for as the WHS stuff, I'm overwhelmed pretty much to the point of immobility here with the table-izing non-drive and stuff I need to do on the Syr article. I don't see myself getting back to that anytime soon. To be honest, I'm pretty discouraged. Lvklock (talk) 00:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Syracuse list

BTW, I finally added pics for the most recent listing, the Temple Society of Concord. Lvklock (talk) 06:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Autopatrol

I've added autopatrol to your user rights, so any new articles you create will be automatically marked as patrolled on New Pages, logically enough. Acroterion _(talk) 18:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! I have indeed been wanting to get free of new page patrollers' intended-to-be-helpful interventions, which can cost a lot of time to deal with, depending on the patroller involved. I didn't know what might accomplish this. Thanks! doncram (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a new feature, made active today. Hopefully, this will help, but I won't warrant that it will avoid 100% of the fuss. Acroterion _(talk) 19:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Mills task force

It's decision time, see WT:HS. Mjroots (talk) 07:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Connecticut Historic Districts

Thanks for the heads-up you posted on my talk page. From the histories of pages such as Hazardville (Enfield) and Hazardville Historic District, as well as the personally-focused nature of your statements at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Connecticut#rfc: NRHP historic districts vs. villages, it would appear that you fired the first shots in an edit war, and now you are accusing the other party of edit warring.

If you are interested in fostering quality content about historic districts, why remove the historic district information from Hazardville (Enfield) and replace it with link to Hazardville Historic District that merely (almost uselessly) redirects to a list of historic districts? (diff 1 and diff 2)

As for the discussion, I think your valid points would have more impact if they weren't associated with personal digs against Polaron. --Orlady (talk) 12:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

When you propose a page for speedy deletion, please do not blank the page. Instead, put the template on the top of the page above the content.

Also, please note that pages cannot be speedy deleted unless they meet one of the criteria for speedy deletion. Most of your requests appear to be justifiable, but you have not provided justifications that meet the speedy criteria. (I've declined some of the requests for that reason.) This would go better if there were a discussion that clearly led to consensus to delete these specific redirects. In this case, it probably would make sense to keep the discussion on Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Connecticut, but in general, redirects such as these are supposed to be listed at WP:RfD. --Orlady (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Connecticut table

What was wrong with the coding so that it wouldn't display for you? I can't see anything wrong when I look at the coding. Nyttend (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

This was about duplicates subtractions in List of RHPs in CT. I thought there were multiple occurences of footnote 5 displaying. I don't know, and it went away i think. doncram (talk) 19:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

NRIS having issues

I'm trying to look up data relevant to the Rock Art in the Southern Black Hills TR (from the 1980s) in South Dakota, as I'm hoping to create a few rather broad articles to include most restricted-address archaeological listings in the state, somewhat similar to what you did with Archeological Sites at Kawela. However, I'm having trouble with nr.nps.gov — although I can get to that page fine, and http://www.nr.nps.gov/nrname1.htm displays fine for me, I get a "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" page when I click any of the "Search by _____" buttons. Is this happening for you? Nyttend (talk) 01:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I mentioned this at wt:NRHP recently, that MPS documents are effectively not available, because you cannot search for them. If u knew the refnum of the TR / MPS document, you could compose the URL and access it directly, but there is no way to learn that. Elkman checked and cannot find those within the NRIS download already. You can only request the document from the National Register. They are all in electronic form, so it should be no problem for them to send it to you. doncram (talk) 02:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not what I meant. I mean: if I go to http://www.nr.nps.gov/nrname1.htm and click on "State and Resource Name" for an individual property, I still get the "can't display" page. I instant-messaged this link to someone else on a different computer, and he got an identical result. Nyttend (talk) 02:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Going there now, it does not work for me either. You could try in Microsoft Internet Explorer rather than Firefox (which I am using), but it is probably just on the blink for a while. That basic search has usually worked. Probably try again in a day or so. The MPS / TR search screen, on the other hand, has been completely unusable, consistently. doncram (talk) 02:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't even have Firefox, although my instant-messenger friend used it; I use IE. Any idea what the URL would be (minus its reference number) for an MPS? Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The URL for MPS docs all appear to be composed the same, check any one already linked from an article. For example, the Ward Wellington Ward architect article has an MPS doc linked. But, you can't learn what is the refnum. Or are you going to try to guess? Lemme know how that works, have never tried that approach. doncram (talk) 02:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how they're grouped, but there's some sort of organisation to it. http://www.nr.nps.gov/multiples/64500441.pdf is Ward Wellington Ward, http://www.nr.nps.gov/multiples/64500442.pdf is Army National Guard Armories in New York State, and http://www.nr.nps.gov/multiples/64500443.pdf is Historic Bridges of the AuSable River Valley. I'm not going to keep guessing much longer, because they're not grouped exactly alphabetically (Arizona sites appear to have low numbers, but Iowa has higher numbers than New York) or chronologically. I've also emailed the webmaster at http://www.sdhistory.org, because they host many MPS pdfs (for example, http://www.sdhistory.org/HP/German-RussianArchitectureSD.pdf, which I'm using at several county-list pages) that are only discoverable with Google, so I've wondered if they have the archaeological MPS documents also. Nyttend (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Just had a thought: see http://www.nr.nps.gov/multiples, a directory page. Can you imagine what the third-from-left column might be? I know that it's not standard reference numbers. Nyttend (talk) 02:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice find, to get the directory list. That column appears to be just file-sizes in byte. E.g. when u start to download the 620,000 size file, it shows as a 598 kb file being downloaded. One kb is, i suppose, 1024 bytes? When u start with a 1,200,000 size file, it shows as a 1.1 mb file being downloaded, etc. Maybe we should make a wikiproject page out of that list, and gradually identify which number ranges are in which state, by labelling scattered ones. But, the documents are supposedly going to be available soon within PDF Focus system. doncram (talk) 02:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like it would take a long time: there are 1,503 documents up there. However, there are only 1,502 uncertain documents — Polaron just left me a message with the correct link. This makes me very curious how he got it; hopefully it won't be a very difficult procedure. Nyttend (talk) 03:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

See WP:MPS. Would you be willing to help? Nyttend (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Robert E. Lee Hotel

This is on the St Louis County list. A Yahoo search also turns up an NRHP in San Diego. I can't get either one to come up on elkman dab page maker or infobox maker. I'm confused. Lvklock (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of the Robt E lee one. I'm having the same prob with Hi-Pointe-De Mun Historic District, in St. Louis CountE. I can't get it to come up in the Elkman infobox generator. What the heck am I doing wrong? Lvklock (talk) 05:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...I tried double hyphens on both, but not one single and one double. I'm okay with leaving them for now. So, just leave them listed at the bottom? If so, then all I have left to do in St. Louis is renumber M-Z. Lvklock (talk) 05:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

OK. Finished St. Louis, as done as it's gonna be. Past my bedtime. Lvklock (talk) 06:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

NRHP nomination form pictures

Hey Doncram, I recently got all the NRHP nom forms for the historic districts in Meridian, Mississippi and have been adding information from them. I'm awaiting response over at WT:NRHP to find out if I can upload these documents anywhere so others can read them, in case the information should be challenged. Along with the documents, I received pictures of each district. I've seen you add some pictures before (I believe from these documents?), and I was wondering how you go about doing that. I remember that the NRHP guy told me the documents were released under Fair Use, but I'm not exactly sure how to upload them and which copyright template to tag them with. Can you help me out? --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I can't help but to notice you've simply ignored this post haha... :P --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 17:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, no, actually i was just studying the wt:NRHP page to try to figure out where this question is open. Can you point me to that? Offhand, I think there are some problems with uploading those documents in general. The photographs, at least, in many of them, are copyrighted. doncram (talk) 18:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

NRIS issues

In Lafayette County, Missouri, there's an item in the table labeled "William Robinson P." The old list says "William, P. Robinson House". Because I was unclear about what was first and what last names, I searched http://www.nr.nps.gov/iwisapi/explorer.dll?IWS_SCHEMA=NRIS1&IWS_LOGIN=1&IWS_REPORT=100000066 to check the name, which turns out to be "Robinson, William, P., House". Since the table output from the Elkman table generator is in disagreement with the NPS website, I'm unclear about whether to add this to NRIS issues before correcting it in the table. Lvklock (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Your checking the NPS's interface to NRIS is great. Elkman's system output has this glitch, leaving off "House" or "Building" or whatever for many NRHP place names having "Firstname Lastname, Jr." or with ", Sr." or II or III in their names. There are so many i do not report those situations. And I guess the glitch is there for some other names. The glitch could be caused by inconsistent data entry into the NRIS system using separate fields permitting separation of Lastname vs. Firstname vs Jr.-type extension fields, or just putting it all into one Name field. But if an NPS interface shows it as "House" i would just accept that and not report it as an NRIS info issue. Thanks! doncram (talk) 22:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yet another section about MO

I tagged the Macon County Courthouse DAB I made today as needing cleanup because I wanted your input on redirects/article names for the variant Macon County Courthouse and Annex, which is in MO. I made the article with the NRHP name, but wonder if there should be a redirect or if I should have had the article under Macon County Courthouse (Missouri), to fit with the other two NRHP DAB titles. Lvklock (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I thot i had finished creating all the needed courthouse NRHP dab articles! The dab page rules are that the dab entries should usually show the actual article title, preferably without hidden pipelinks or redirects, and since you started the article at Macon County Courthouse and Annex, that is the name the dab entry should show (as you made it). I added ", Macon, Georgia" following and added towns for other entries. If someone later wants to rename the article to "Macon County Courthouse (Macon, Georgia)" or something else, I wouldn't fight it, i would just update the dab to give the new article name, if i noticed the change. Thanks! doncram (talk) 21:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I also created Lewis County Courthouse and Linn County Courthouse DABs today, so you might want to add towns to those, too. I just did them the way the DAB generator spit them out. Do you want me to tag every DAB I do? Lvklock (talk) 22:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Visiting those two dabs now. Especially if you're using the DAB generator to make the page, please do tag with {{NRHP dab needing cleanup}} for my review. I would add town names for courthouse ones, perhaps choose to revise those to use (City, State) naming (courthouse naming under discussion at wt:NRHP, and look for other instances using "Who Has" search, to find variations like "Lewis County Courthouse and Jail". Or if the dab is "Smith House" i would add many others of format Firstname Smith House, etc. doncram (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually tagging any you create is fine. I am happy to visit them and at least add to my watchlist, so I notice sooner if someone is on an anti-redlinks deletion campaign. doncram (talk) 22:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, will do from now on. Also did Martin Hotel and Wardell House today. Lvklock (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, visited and watchlisted, thanks.

Marion County, Missouri. Maple Avenue Historic District redirects to an existing article for one in Massachusetts. Please do your DAB magic fixing that up. :) I'll pipelink to Maple Avenue Historic District (Hannibal, Missouri).Lvklock (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done

Riverview Park, same county, redirects to existing article, but needs DAB. Lvklock (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done, including entry for Riverview Park (Hannibal, Missouri).

Thanks for your help. L-N is done. Lvklock (talk) 00:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Jackson County, Cave Spring links to DAB article with only places listed. Would you just include this in the list, or start a new section? Hmmm...one other NRHP has exact name, several with variations. I'm gonna leave this one to you. I'll pipelink the Jackson County one appropriately. Lvklock (talk) 00:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done Expanded the dab to include NRHP ones too...

New York Life Building links to one in Manhattan. I'll pipelink the MO one properly and let you wave your wand over the rest. Lvklock (talk) 04:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done

Standard Theatre points to an existing article in Toronto. Needs DAB. I'll pipelink appropriately. Lvklock (talk) 17:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done

Interesting circumstance here....there are two Jackson County Courthouses, one in Independence and one in Kansas City. A perfect example of why to use more than the state to DAB. Only one of these is NRHP listed, but apparently Harry Truman worked in the other. And, speaking of Harry Truman, there are two listings with his name in them (well, three actually, but two that start with his name), and they are alphabetized differently. One is alpha by Harry and the other alpha by Truman. Change them both to T? Lvklock (talk) 22:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, someone had created one article about both of them, and i split them out a year or so ago, while there was a big to-do going on at, i suppose, Talk:Jackson County Courthouse, or in an AfD from there. And yes, interesting about them. Yes, sure about ordering to show together. doncram (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm stumped. The Jackson County list has the Inter-State Building on it. The Elkman output lists it in the town of Jackson. The old list has it in Kansas City. I can't get it to come up on the NPS website, or on the MO website that has the nom docs. A web search doesn't give me anything. I think the town of Jackson is probably the error, since it's Jackson Co., but I can't confirm it anywhere. Any ideas? Lvklock (talk) 00:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that in the regular Elkman NRHP infobox generator, searching on "Inter-" in MO yields the building, listing it in the town of Jackson. Just started Inter-State Building article to accumulate any info we develop. The Jackson County NRIS-based table includes it, from the Elkman table-generator? That would indicate that the NRIS county info for it is that it is in Jackson County, while Jackson, Missouri is in Cape Girardeau County, Missouri. So, yes, that piece of info plus the old list placement in Kansas City, seem to suggest the town name is in error. (Also could try to see if the street address, which looks like a Kansas City/big city type address, makes any sense at all in Jackson, by a google map search.) Sounds best to assume that Jackson as town is an error, start NRIS info issues report, and change the town name to Kansas City in the list-article and in the new stub article. The NRIS info issue report puts it to the NPS to confirm or contradict, in which case we'd know to go back and change the wikipedia list and stub. doncram (talk) 01:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I checked mapquest, and Jackson, MO seems to have neither Locust nor 13th. In Kansas City I find the intersection of Locust and 13th, so I am convinced that Kansas City is right. Thanks for the idea! And, yes, the Jackson Co. list is huge. I'm getting through it though. Lvklock (talk) 01:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Great!

And another stupid, tricky thing. The table for Jackson County lists two places titled District I. There are two Elkman infoboxes, with separate addresses and ref numbers, one added July 23, 1983, the other added Aug 8, 1983. Woukld you consider the one two weeks after the first a boundary increase? It's not labeled as one. Lvklock (talk) 02:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done by finding disambiguating terms used by the Missouri state for these.

OK, it's my bedtime. If you have a chance to adress the couple of DAB here, maybe we can get Jackson County done tomorrow. If you don't want to sort thru this section, the "old list" has all of the issues I want to resolve before moving on to another county. Anything you want to deal with, feel free.  :) Lvklock (talk) 04:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with the District I stuff. I dealt with several more things this AM. Now, all that's left is two DABs for you, and some alpha stuff for me that I'd like your input on before I do it. Meanwhile, moving on to Jasper Co. Lvklock (talk) 14:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your DAB magic and alpha input. Jackson County is (finally) done. Jasper County, too! Lvklock (talk) 17:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

J-K is done. Working on D-I. Lvklock (talk) 20:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

V.G. Knock on wood, i am caught up in dab requests within this discussion section.... doncram (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana/archive1

Hi, I responded to your comments on the FLC but I'm not sure whether it's the right place to continue the discussion as the nomination has been closed but not archived. It's an important issue and one that should be discussed as you pointed out that it seems to affect more than one article. As I mention in my reply, I feel strongly that lists should include all the sources they use as part of academic transparency and so that readers don't have to leave the list to find the source of the information. I don't find the argument that it's intimidating to the reader convincing; there are FAs and FLs with well over 100 citations, and as they come at the end of the article/list it shouldn't be that off putting. Nev1 (talk) 00:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

St. Paul's Protestant Episcopal Church

Can't remember where the proper page is; could you add "St. Paul's Protestant Episcopal Church" to the list of disambiguation pages that need to be created? There's apparently one listed in Brooklyn, and there's definitely one in Baltimore. Nyttend (talk) 13:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done, started St. Paul's Protestant Episcopal Church disambiguation page. It's fine just to leave me notes here at my Talk page. doncram (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Just discovered another, Old Presbyterian Church. It was linked from La Paz County, Arizona and Barnwell County, South Carolina. Nyttend (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

 Done by creating Old Presbyterian Church as a disambiguation page. Arguably could have just redirected from there to Presbyterian Church (disambiguation), which included both the AZ and SC churches already. But okay to have the separate, more specific dab. doncram (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Your RfDs and Template:NRHP redirect cleanup needed

Hi, Doncram. I replaced your home-brew RfD entries with the standard formats. I hadn't noticed the RfDs because of the nonstandard way they had been started. The instructions on pages like WP:RfD can be cumbersome, but it helps when everyone follows them.

Also, I'm troubled by Template:NRHP redirect cleanup needed. The template is formatted like a standard WP procedural item, but it isn't -- is an expression of opinion that belongs on talk page, not a public page. As a template, it is redundant with the standard Template:rfd. Please blank Template:NRHP redirect cleanup needed so it can be speedy-deleted. --Orlady (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I was already commenting at your Talk page. Why not discuss how to proceed with orderly treatment of the 300 or so redirects in the discussion section for this specific topic in the ongoing RFC. The custom template could perhaps be amended. It certainly is useful for providing a category that groups the CT NRHP items together. doncram (talk) 16:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The standard RfD procedure works for everybody else. Why can't you use it, too? Placing standard-looking templates on article pages that express opinions like "Having the redirect falsely implies at the NRHP list-article that there is an article, and the redirect should be deleted" and "Please improve this article (by deleting it!) if you can" is a wonderful way of making Misplaced Pages look silly. --Orlady (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I just revised the template somewhat, perhaps addressing some of your objections satisfactorily. I think it should be obvious to you that I am working responsibly to try to address a problem within wikipedia. If you have some better suggestion on how to group a whole host of redirects for efficient discussion of their deletion, please say so, but that last crack is totally unnecessary. doncram (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

My "suggestion" is that you use the standard instructions at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion#How to list a redirect for discussion, where it says:

• To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax:

• {{subst:rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}
• {{subst:rfd2m|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}
• .
• .
• .
• {{subst:rfd2m|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~

--Orlady (talk) 17:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

(reply inserted after ec) As far as I can tell, those steps with "subst" would accomplish at the RFD page pretty much exactly what my edits accomplished eventually. I did edit the grouped discussion so that it would conform with apparent formatting for other grouped discussions on the RFD page. If it got to the same place, I don't see what is the problem, but fine, I'll take that as a suggestion to use that approach in another grouped situation. Also, as you are aware, I set up an RFC and specific discussion section for discussing how to proceed with these. I would appreciate if you would please respond within that. doncram (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

As for the specific discussion of Connecticut redirects, to be candid I thought that the long and convoluted discussion at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Connecticut was a reasonable place to address the issue, as the redirects would either be (1) cleared for deletion by consensus of the creator and all other parties (a basis for speedy deletion, which an administrator could have done without further ado), (2) converted to articles (in which case no more discussion would be needed, or (3) kept as some sort of redirect. Your decision to initiate a second set of discussions at WP:RfD without providing a clear and unambiguous announcement on that talk page or using the standard template that would direct people to the RfD page seems to have only had the effect of fragmenting discussion and adding unneeded confusion/wikidrama. --Orlady (talk) 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I am at somewhat of a loss here. I thought the set of 10 was noncontroversial and there was consensus to delete such, and that I gave adequate notice in several places on that page, about proceeding with a test batch of 10 redirects at RFD. There was no other suggestion/comment on how to proceed with implementing the deletion of redirects. I certainly didn't want to fragment or duplicate discussion. Your timely concurrence at the RFD, that these 10 redirects should be deleted, verifying my assertion that it was consensus from the other discussion, would have been helpful. Or your stating there that there is not in fact a consensus would have helped, and I would have been willing to withdraw it. I am still not clear what is your view on these 10 redirects. doncram (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:RfD is a place for discussion, not a "ready for deletion" noticeboard. If there was full agreement on that Connecticut talk page (including from their creator) to delete those redirects, then they would have qualified for speedy deletion and a trip to WP:RfD would have been unnecessary. As it is, there has been some discussion (and much verbiage) in both places, and many of us frankly haven't had time to figure out what's going on, much less what we think about each individual redirect. (And they do need to be considered individually, not as a group.)

BTW, I don't suppose you care, but this edit of yours broke all of the incoming links created by template {{rfd}}. --Orlady (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Why would you suppose i don't care? I am not some vandal trying to destroy a discussion. Okay, i just tried undoing that edit and others at the RFD page, and restoring the one subsequent edit (yours), before much activity continued there. What now, then? I would be happy to withdraw the 10 Tolland CT ones from discussion at the RFD page, but am unsure how to do that without causing more confusion, or perhaps going against practice. And it would involve removing the 10 rfd tags that you added to individual articles. I would be fine if you see how to cancel the CT discussion there, to continue at Talk:List of RHPs in CT instead. doncram (talk) 17:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Reverting

Please do not simply revert in toto edits with which you disagree only in part, as you did with Woodbine. See WP:Reverting: When to revert. We all value the effort we put into WP. ENeville (talk) 20:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

NRHP bot request

I'm not sure what I'm looking at. It seems over my head. The wording looks good as long as all of our lists start out exactly the same. Einbierbitte (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

There are so many damn categories, I don't know how anyone can keep track of them. I've noticed that some categories get very esoteric (Buildings on the north side of the 100 block of Main Street in Bumfukt, Eqypt) What if right now you concentrate on the major ones such as city/county and ones that have a fair amount of entries (ships?). Then try to sort out the others? Einbierbitte (talk) 22:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Kentucky Courthouses

I think we may have some overlap - you might find the Federal Judicial Center database of historic courthouses useful for getting those down. Everything there (including the pictures) is in the public domain, as a publication of the U.S. government. Cheers! bd2412 T 05:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

NHLs in Indiana

Thanks for your comments at Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of National Historic Landmarks in Indiana/archive1. They will help me in completing the list. My position on the referencing is in the middle of you and Nev1 as the article currently is. It is insufficient sometimes to just give a general reference and tell users to go to the main article, but it is excessive to clutter the page with tons of citations. I will be gone the next two weeks, but when I return I hope to add all of the application pages to the articles and then rewrite the list's descriptions. Reywas92 17:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: P.O. renames

My views on the names of post offices given by the NPS is that the using of a dash is the NPS' way of disambiguating (instead of the wiki way of using parentheses). Also, for example, U.S. Post Office-Beverly Main is not the name people use to refer to the building (I'd be surprised if people distinguished which post office they were going to, in conversation, with "dash Beverly Main", so I guess WP:COMMONAME would apply. I don't know much about bots, but I wonder if there is a way to get a bot to go around to disambig pages fixing redirects. --​​​​D.B. 19:28, 28 June 2009 (UTC)