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Dbrisinda

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Dbrisinda

User requesting enforcement:
Enric Naval (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Dbrisinda (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) JeanandJane (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Homeopathy#Discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. adding POV tag and re-adding after several editors reverted and said in the talk page that there is no basis for the tag
2. JeanandJane also restored the tag once

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):

1. Warning by Brunton (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
topic ban or something that stops the disruption.

Additional comments by Enric Naval (talk):
For ] (talk · contribs), the decision requires that an uninvolved admin gives him a warning in his talk page with a link to the discretionary sanctions decision), so please someone make the honors.

Both editors started placing the POV tag and arguing for it when they failed to convince other editors of their proposed changes. Both editors have been pushing flawed interpretations of sources and cherry picking sources for weeks now in Talk:Homeopathy, to the point where good faith fails and one starts suspecting pure naked POV advocacy. JeanandJane already displayed this behaviour in Talk:Oscillococcinum. Both editors try to squeeze every positive remark from sources beyond reasonable limits while ignoring the equivalent negative sources, which goes against WP:RS and WP:WEIGHT.

Notice that this article has seen heavy edit warring, advocacy and POV pushing in its talk page the past, in addition to edit wars in the article with POV tags.

P.D.: talk page has had 150 comments in the last 4 days, with many different topics conflated together instead of being in separate sections.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:

• Dbrisinda
• JeanandJane

Discussion concerning Dbrisinda

Statement by Dbrisinda

Comments by other editors

This appears to be a straightforward WP:3RR violation, but without more, doesn't seem to me conduct that rises to the level of Arbitration Enforcement. —Whig (talk) 18:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this is not even a 3RR violation. (Only 3 edits in total to the page in 24 hours, and only 3 reverts at all on the page by this user.) This is simply continued biting against an intelligent and competent new user who threatens to disturb the (improved, but still unduly anti-homeopathic) status quo at the homeopathy article. The first act was when on the first day that he edited the article some of his edits were reverted with the completely unfounded claim that he was a sockpuppet of Dr.Jhingaadey. It continued with an SPI, ANI, and now he is being dragged here. This is disgusting. I would say it's immoral, but I know Enric a bit better and suspect it's just carelessness. Hans Adler 19:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

You're correct, the first time he added the POV tag was not a revert. —Whig (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

@Hans, you mean Misplaced Pages:ANI#DanaUllman? That one is about banning DanaUllman, not about these two editors. I think that the SPI case is Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Dr.Jhingaadey? It only mentions one IP, so I guess that Brangifer realized that Dbrisinda was not a sock. Has there been a new thread somewhere? This is getting difficult to follow. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Enric, I understand you couldn't know this. BullRangifer seriously screwed this up: He suspected (plausibly, as I now agree) that Dr.Jhingaadey edited under a certain IP, and very implausibly that he also edited as Dbrisinda. He tried to create an old-style checkuser request and was confused that it didn't work. It didn't occur to me to check for this error, so I commented there without noticing the problem. My comment led him to seriously refactor the report, removing all references to Dbrisinda. Then someone showed him the proper place at SPI. As a result, the original report concerning Dbrisinda isn't even in the history of the SPI. Hans Adler 01:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I understand how this could happen, since I have made similar mistakes when trying to catch reincident sockmasters, like NisarKand and Beh-nam (in Afghanistan-Pakistan articles), getting two innocent editors accused while trying to nail down all the socks from Nrcprm20260 (in Cold Fusion). I really need to fine-tune my sock-sensing sense since this annoys mightly the incorrectly accused users. Anyways, this is unrelated to the matter at hand: Talk:Homeopathy becoming a battleground since these two editors entered the fray. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Since these two editors have done nothing meriting Arbitration Enforcement, your bringing the matter here is really evidence of your own battleground mentality, in my opinion. Neither of them have engaged in bad behavior. —Whig (talk) 18:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, I think Enric doesn't have a battle ground mentality so much as an idiosyncratic interpretation of WP:TALK and unusually low tolerance for chaotic discussions. Hans Adler 19:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

True, and I should not comment on another editor's state of mind. I'd rather say though that this AE request is not well considered. —Whig (talk) 20:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

There has been a lot of pointless edit warring over tags, so I think a 1RR for tags could be considered. PhilKnight (talk) 12:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Would you seriously consider imposing a 1RR penalty on a new editor? —Whig (talk) 19:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

General comments: I am of the same mind as PhilKnight. Edit warring over an article tag has to be one of the most counter-productive, silly actions a Wikipedian could undertake in the mainspace. Ideally, tagging should not be a Big Deal: if you tag an article and are reverted, then open a discussion on the talk page. If consensus there supports the tag, then fine, re-add it (and subsequently take steps to remedy the underlying weaknesses in the article); if no consensus is garnered, then just tackle the underlying problem—a tag is hardly needed to do that. (I am here delicately ignoring the issue of persons who uses article tags in order to damage a given topic or subject's reputation.) I would happily place any article that is the subject of a tagging war on a 1RR-for-tagging (edits made as a result of consensus-building discussion excepted, of course) restriction, and/or ban any user who engages in a tagging revert war from the parent subject area. AGK 17:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Disclaimer: I admire Dbrisinda 's edits: S/he has great ability in analysis, s/he is precise, s/he has clarity and demonstrates a rare kind of higher intelligence which combines sense, sensibility, honesty and nobility. This kind of refinement is rare - not only in Misplaced Pages -and I think that all editors ( regardless of their point of view ) should recognize and appreciate. If "edit warring over an article tag is one of the most counter-productive, silly actions a Wikipedian could undertake in the mainspace" it certainly requires two sides to make it happen. I did not see any comment about the other side. The problem is that the current dispute on the neutrality of the article is not recognized as such by the anti homeopathy editors. From their point of view Homeopathy is debunked by scientific evidence and the editors who disagree with this view are simply homeopathy's advocates. The reality is very different if someone bothers to read the unreadable talk page and check the mainstream journals and reliable sources which describes the topic as controversial. The only fair solution is to protect the page with the neutrality dispute tag as long the dispute lasts and not trying to ban the editors who think that the article is biased. In short, Dbrisinda, as a new editor read the wiki policy about the dispute tags and concluded correctly that the situation requires it. --JeanandJane (talk) 01:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

An option that's perhaps worth considering is imposing a 1RR restriction for tags on the article, instead of on a specific editor. PhilKnight (talk) 21:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

All of this seems quite silly to me. When a new editor tries to fix a perceived problem and the edit is reverted, and when subsequent discussions don't end in consensus, it's perfectly normal to put a dispute tag on the article. If you think about it, it must be quite surprising for a new editor that drawing attention to a bona fide dispute can even be considered disruptive. This only makes sense once you understand that in Misplaced Pages we don't solve disputes as they arise, but instead we let them smoulder until one side gets banned or loses through a technicality such as bad behaviour. A new editor can't know this. I certainly didn't know this when I made this mistake at a language related article in my first month here.

Punishing Dbrisinda for falling into this common trap is not OK. And a general 1RR for dispute tags is also not appropriate because it would only give the stronger party in this dispute a tool to get new members of the weaker party into serious trouble for innocently breaking a surprising technicality. Hans Adler 22:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

As a general comment, I think it would be helpful for people whose primary or sole focus is on homeopathy to branch out and explore the encyclopedia a bit. First of all, it provides useful perspective and insight on how this place works. It's not healthy for one's introduction to Misplaced Pages to be on a deeply controversial article like homeopathy, where there is a preponderance of poor role models. Also, the long history of abusive editing there, and the discretionary sanctions in place, mean that a newcomer is likely to be cut less slack than they would elsewhere. Secondly, it's essential for one's sanity to occasionally visit uncontroversial corners of the project. Third, given the lengthy and unfortunate history of single-purpose agenda accounts at homeopathy, it's probably worthwhile to demonstrate that one has some interest in the project beyond simply promoting a specific narrow view of homeopathy. Just my 2 cents. MastCell  23:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Could an uninvolved admin go to JeanandJane's talk page and place a link to the discretionary sanctions? --Enric Naval (talk) 00:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I have done so (). MastCell  06:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Dbrisinda

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Arbitration Enforcement request in the Sathya Sai Baba article

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request Concerning Activist Editing

Previous Arbitration Case: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sathya_Sai_Baba_2

User requesting enforcement:
Radiantenergy Radiantenergy (talk) 20:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:

• Andries (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• ProEdits (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Ombudswiki (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that these user violated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sathya_Sai_Baba_2#Conflict_of_interest

• On August 5th 2009 I removed the BLP violating material as per RS recommendation here from the article. . Following that I had seen strong opposition by the above Anti Sai Baba activist. User:ProEdit edit-warred and added back the BLP violating material inspite of knowing that its as per the WP:RS recommendation here

So far I asked for help from 2 administrators , with no results. I have come here hoping for some help in implementing WP:RS recommendations and to stop Activist from hindering the BLP fixes to the article.

Diffs of edits for Activitist that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

User:Andries: User:Andries was banned from the Sathya Sai Baba article due to his WP:COI. He is allowed to write in Sathya Sai Baba talk page. He misused this and wrote comments in WP:RS Sathya Sai Baba discussion forums.

User:Andries opposed the WP:RS recommendation in the talk page and also removed the 'Resolved' tag from the WP:RS discussion and wrote comments challenging the conclusions of other wikipedians in the WP:RS.

• Andries edits removing the Resolved Tag here - ,
• Andries comments challenging WP:RS decision about removing BLP violating material here -

I have a question? Is User:Andries allowed to write his views in the Reliable source noticeboard discussions inspite of his WP:COI?

User:ProEdits: I looked at his userpage and contributions. http://en.wikipedia.org/User:ProEdits. In 'Robert Priddy' talk page discussions he used the first person pronoun "I" meaning he is Robert Priddy. Robert Priddy is a well known Anti Sai Baba activist in the web. If he is Robert Priddy why is he allowed to editwar in the Sathya Sai Baba article and talk page?

• User:ProEdits due to his WP:COI editwarred and added back BLP violating material there by he violated the remedies of the Second Arbitration. He also added his strong opposition to removing the BLP violating material from the article here - .

User:Ombudswiki:

• User:Ombudswiki has been writing extensively telling other editors what they have to do in the Sathya Sai Baba article. His user page says he is 'Brian Steel'. http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Ombudswiki. 'Brian Steel' is another well known Anti Sai Baba activist in the web who has negative attack page criticising Sathya Sai Baba. User:Ombudswiki edits and contributions fixing 'Brian Steel' website links in the Sathya Sai Baba article , and his repeated recommendation to use Dale Beyerstein book (though declared unreliable in RS) to other editors in talk page and his other contributions convinces me that he is likely to be the same Brian Steel. Being an Anti Sai Baba activist I don't see how Brian Steel will let other editors fix BLP issues in this article with out conflict.

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy): http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sathya_Sai_Baba_2#Activist_editing

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):

I request either topic ban or other sanctions other sanction) for these activist for editwarring and removing BLP violating material from the article due to their WP:COI. With out the arbitration enforcement on these activist I don't see how the WP:BLP issues in the Sathya Sai Baba article can ever be fixed.

Additional comments by Radiantenergy (talk):

I would sincerely appreciate if some one could look at this case. I am fed up fighting with one activist after another with WP:COI in trying to implement a RS recommendation. At the same time BLP issues have to be fixed in the article. We cannot leave BLP violating material in the article simply beacuse its opposed by the activist. I would like to remove the BLP violating material as per WP:RS recommendation with out going into edit-war with these activist. I am just frustrated seeing how difficult it is to fix the BLP issues in this article. Letting well known activist edit Sathya Sai Baba related articles and talk pages is not only against core wikipedia principles but also is against the remedies proposed by second arbitration rulings. Thanks Radiantenergy (talk) 20:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: I notified all the 3 editors who are involved in this case here , ,

Radiantenergy (talk) 02:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

General discussion concerning the enforcement request with respect to Sathya Sai Baba

I see some serious problems here. The original RS question posted by radiantenergy had serious factual inaccuracies. It was misleading and inaccurate.

Andries pointed out many of these problems, but they never really got corrected or even properly discussed.

The question being asked is really a BLP policy question rather than a source reliability question. radiantenergy refused to consider raising the question on the BLP noticeboard.

While Andries may have a COI, radiantenergy seems unconcerned with factual accuracy, downplaying the difference between a California superior court - the lowest level of state court - and the California Supreme Court.

So, in my opinion, the original RS question posted by radiantenergy is fundamentally flawed and should be ignored. Sanctions on the basis of it would be ridiculous. Bhimaji (talk) 09:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Bhimaji, You may not agree with me on all issues. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion. Regarding BLP violating material it was discussed by very respected experienced wikipedians in the WP:RS where they concluded that BLP violating material has to be removed from the article. We always try to implement WP:RS recommendation in the BLP articles no matter who objects it. This is not just a discussion about BLP violating material but its more serious issue about well known 'Anti Sai Baba' activist popular on the web editing the Sathya Sai Baba article and talk page. This is not only a serious violation of the Misplaced Pages's core principles but as well as violation of the second arbitration remedy of 'Conflict of Interest' mentioned in the above discussion. Thanks Radiantenergy (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You started the WP:RS discussion with inaccurate and factually incorrect claims. You mislead the WP:RS noticeboard. This is not about opinions, it is about basic facts. It doesn't matter how experienced the Wikipedeans were; if they didn't know the facts then the conclusions are unsafe. Bhimaji (talk) 05:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Bhimaji, there were no factual incorrect claims. The cout name was immediately changed in the WP:RS even before the main discussion started. I will recommend you to read the WP:RS discussion again as you were not involved in this discussion. Its easy to miss the main details of the long WP:RS discussion. Again here the case is about Activist editing. From your perspective its clear that you don't care about Activist editing the Sathya Sai Baba related articles. But this is a serious violation of Misplaced Pages core principles and cannot be allowed. Thanks. Radiantenergy (talk) 12:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Stop, plese. This discussion does not belong here. We only concern ourselves with arbitration enforcement.

• Administrator comment: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sathya Sai Baba 2#Conflict of interest is a principle, not an enforceable remedy. If no enforceable remedy is provided and an argument how the edits provided violate it, this request will be closed soon.  Sandstein  13:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

• I request you not to close this case - I have looked at only a few of these activist contributions so far and I need some time atleast another day or two to look at all their contributions so that I can present the case as you requested above. Thanks. Radiantenergy (talk) 16:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Andries, ProEdits and Ombudswiki

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Closed without action. The requesting editor has not cited, despite being asked to, an actual remedy or sanction by the Arbitration Committee that has been violated and that administrators can enforce. The principles cited in arbitration cases are not, by themselves, subject to arbitration enforcement because they are just restatements of general policy or practice. This means that this dispute is unsuited for this forum. To the extent that this is a dispute about the application of WP:RS, please use WP:DR.  Sandstein  05:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Dailycare

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Request concerning Dailycare

User requesting enforcement:
Ynhockey 23:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Dailycare (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Modi%27in_Illit&diff=308550197&oldid=308217125 (random example)
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Modi%27in_Illit&action=history (history)
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ma%27ale_Adumim&action=history (history)

The user is engaging in tendentious editing by constantly inserting controversial material on which there is no consensus to the article, despite the discussing being active. The user posts a message on talk, after which he makes pretty much the same edit (with slightly different wording) every time. The user has not been notified of this case (WP:ARBPIA) as far as I am aware, but has been notified that his edits are disruptive.

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ADailycare&diff=304713870&oldid=303924476 – original warning (might be slightly harsh) before the user joined the discussion on the talk page. No other warnings have been given.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
According to the text of the remedy, he should be warned and if this does not help, eventually blocked.

Additional comments by Ynhockey :
Just another reminder that the content dispute is not the issue here, and I hope that the content dispute with the user is settled on the talk page, which has an ongoing discussion.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ADailycare&diff=308570270&oldid=308506349

Discussion concerning Dailycare

Statement by Dailycare

Comments by other editors

I don't know anything about Dailycare's editing, and Ynhockey may well be right about it; I don't want to interfere with the report as such. However, one of the examples of the tendentious editing is this. As far as content goes, Daily Motion is correct. It is not only "opponents" who regard Israeli settlements as illegal, but everyone other than successive Israeli governments, the settlers, and their supporters. This issue has been dealt with many times on Misplaced Pages over the last few years, and the outcome has always been that we should frame the issue the way most reliable sources do, including the UN. SlimVirgin 23:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi SlimVirgin! I ask you to please keep the content dispute off this page and comment on Talk:Modi'in Illit if you have an opinion on the content. If you see a conduct issue with my edits, or those of Dailycare, please feel free to comment on that. —Ynhockey 23:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose it's quite difficult to separate the content issue from the behavioral one, because no one should be adding material that goes against the view of practically all reliable sources on the issue. If we give equal space to Israel on the one hand, and practically all governments on the other, as you seem to want to, as though it's just a question of differing but equally valid views, we're violating NPOV, V, and to some extent NOR. Can you show where Dailycare's edits have crossed the line into becoming tendentious? SlimVirgin 23:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The problem with Dailycare's edits, as I pointed out earlier, isn't the content dispute, which is a separate issue. It's the fact that he makes edits that he knows do not have consensus while the talk page discussion is still ongoing. This is not just tendentious, but disruptive editing. Several users have reverted him (especially myself), but none of us have introduced new controversial content or made any controversial change for that matter (except reverting Dailycare). I have personally made a very serious compromise (IMO, anyway) on the content, but this is, again, the content issue, which is quite easy to separate from the behavioral issue. When a user seeks to make a controversial change in an article, it's their job to attain consensus for the change, not everyone else's job to attain consensus that the change doesn't need to be made. That's how all processes on Misplaced Pages work, like requested moves for example, where no consensus defaults to the original version, not the proposed change. Same with XfD, etc. —Ynhockey 23:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, just speaking of that one issue, that edit does have consensus—wiki-wide consensus, as it's an issue that has been discussed many times in the past. It can't be overturned by a small number of editors on the talk page, because it's based on NPOV and V. His edit is not even slightly controversial; yours is.

My only concern about Dailycare is that he turned up out of the blue in June this year and is editing only sporadically, but then that applies to a number of other I/P accounts too, all of whom should be checkusered in my view—in fact, I'm fast coming to the view that everyone editing I/P articles should be randomly checkusered, but that's no doubt beyond the scope of this report. SlimVirgin 23:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I would very much like to hear your opinion on the legality of Modi'in Illit and Ma'ale Adumim, but this is not the place to discuss that. Please post something at Talk:Modi'in Illit. —Ynhockey 00:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I am baffled by this edit just made by you. You have not only not discussed it, but also made it at a time when a related behavioral dispute is ongoing (this AE case). This is not really nice of you, and if you wish to get involved, for the 3rd time I invite you to the talk page. —Ynhockey 00:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I had already commented on talk when you posted the above. The point is you're forcing people to re-argue the same issue on the talk page of multiple Israeli settlements, telling them the edits violate SYN because the sources don't specifically name that settlement, and telling them they violate LEAD because it's UNDUE. With respect, that is arguably tendentious editing. You've reverted entirely, or removed from the lead, or rephrased as "opponents claim," that Modi'in Illit is an illegal settlement seven times since July 27. But the edit is accurate, and clearly it's highly relevant (not UNDUE), given that the presence of the settlements is one of the major obstacles to peace in the area.

I make no comment on any other issue; I've looked only at this one. SlimVirgin 00:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Statement by Brewcrewer

I'm not familiar with the underlying tendentious editing issue, but I have a greater concern: This user's first edit included some fancy ref formatting and some fancy block quotes formatting, strong evidence that this user has has a previous account. I guess we can run CU, but a negative result should not make a difference. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/LuvGoldStar/Archive stands for the precedent that negative CU results do not make a difference when a user is "obviously" a sockpuppet. Unless of course there's a good reason to distinguish between editors that are seen as pro-Israel and editors that are seen as anti-Israel.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Dailycare

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Not actionable. No discretionary sanctions can occur at this time because Dailycare's warning did not include a link to the arbitration decision as required by Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Discretionary sanctions. Moreover, only one actual diff is provided of the allegedly objectionable conduct, and that one diff is on the face of it not disruptive. Any sockpuppet concerns should be discussed at WP:SPI.  Sandstein  05:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Lida Vorig

Request concerning Lida Vorig

User requesting enforcement:
--NovaSkola (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Lida Vorig (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan_2#Amended_Remedies_and_Enforcement

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FAzad_Asgarov&diff=308434162&oldid=308434162 (Flagging Azerbaijani Articles, by saying not notable for English wikipedia)
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FBahram_Bagirzade&diff=308435224&oldid=308435224 (another example)

The user is flagging Azerbaijani articles by inserting that, it is not notable in English wikipedia on which there is no consensus to the article, despite the discussing being active. The user flagged at least 10 Azerbaijani articles for no reason, and in six of her Azerbaijan-related AfD nominations today, Russian-language sources were easily located, or were in fact already in the article at the time she nominated it.

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ALida_Vorig&diff=306433572&oldid=306431464 (notification about editing restrictions by User:Nishkid64)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
According to the text of the remedy, he should be warned and if this does not help, eventually blocked.

Additional comments by NovaSkola:
Just another reminder that the content dispute is not the issue here, and I hope that the content dispute with the user is settled on the talk page, which has an ongoing discussion.

Also user's anti-Azerbaijanism could be traced throught this site, in which clearly states anti-Azerbaijanian view of this user. This user also has same IP http://www.pracuj24www.info/kraj-hy-show-Սպասարկող:Տեղեկամատյան

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Lida_Vorig

Discussion concerning Lida Vorig

Statement by Lida Vorig

Hi again :)

While browsing, I found some articles that I didn't think meet the WP:NOTABILITY guideline. From a previous experience I knew articles can be deleted, so I searched and found the AFD. User:NovaSkola lists all the articles he created on his page, while he created a lot of notable articles, the 8 in my opinion are not notable.

• DJ eXe Hosts weekly internet radio show in Baku, where he plays his music.
• Elşad Xose rapper. Got arrested for heroin use.
• Kamil Jalilov musician. Toured with a band in the 70's
• Salakhat Agaev 17 year old goal keeper from Baku
• Baba Punhan author, biography section of whom is made up from a single sentence. "He served in the military "
• Geysar Alakbarzadeh single sentence article about a football player in Khazakhstan.
• Azad Asgarov wrestler with questionable record, mostly supported with self published sources.
• Bahram Bagirzade was part of some team in Russian TV during the 90's. Note that the team itself doesn't have an article

Since the nomination, Azad Asgarov was proven to be a president of some federation in Azerbaijan. So I would like to withdraw the nomination, but don't know how.

That being said, I really would like to know how this (http://www.pracuj24www.info/kraj-hy-show-Սպասարկող:Տեղեկամատյան) proves that I'm Anti-Azerbaijani and 100% armenian (capitalization belongs to NovaSkola, he seems to have a problem with that word). I keep looking at it, but can't figure out what it is. My name isn't there, my ip address, which NovaSkola claims he traced, isn't there. This is whole experience is just another proof that cleaning up is never easy Lida Vorig (talk) 19:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other editors

I'm the editor who first noted these problematic AfDs by Lida Vorig and added them to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Azerbaijan. Of a total of 8, IMO there's 5 which are clearly notable, 2 which are borderline, and 1 which seems non-notable. It seems to me that Lida Vorig can also speak Russian , so even if these aren't bad-faith nominations, they're a clear example of being unable to follow WP:BEFORE --- my Russian is rather poor and I can't even speak Azeri at all (just have basic conversational knowledge of a distantly-related language written in a different script) but I was able to find at least some sources for almost all of these articles. cab (talk) 02:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• The links provided in the request are not diffs as described in WP:DIFF. Please provide diffs, or this request may be closed without action.  Sandstein  05:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• "Fixed". The conduct NovaSkola objected to is the aggressive creation of AfDs with spurious rationales on Azerbaijan-related articles --- diffs seem rather superfluous. Also I added the diff of original warning given to Lida Vorig about the editing restrictions. cab (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I see nothing spurious about the rationales - the nominated articles do seem rather non-notable, imho. I've seen far more notable articles given AfD's. Creating a big list of AfDs at the same time is unwise - it can give rise to suspicion against the nominator, not allow editors to give due consideration to each individual AfD, as well as attracting trolls who will simply methodically go through the list voting "yes" or "no" according to their pov. However, "unwise" does not equal "problematic", and cab's "aggressive creation" claim is surely a wild exaggeration for what is just an editor being overly bold in an editing situation where boldness is not really appropriate. This can be solved by advising Lida Vorig not do it again because it is counter-productive. He/she is a new editor: don't bite the newbies, give them advice. WP:BEFORE should be given as advice and not cited as a reason to impose editing restrictions. I note the complainant's disturbing use of phrases like "anti-Azerbaijanism" and "anti-Azerbaijanian view" - hints that that NovaSkola has an agenda. Nor is there such a thing as an "Azerbaijani article" - they are Misplaced Pages articles that are related to Azerbaijan, that is all. Meowy 02:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see what's "wild" about describing eight AfDs at once by an editor already on notice about editing restrictions as "aggressive". It seems you're attempting to paint me as another partisan in this ethnic war, which is rather confusing to me as my ancestry is from Southeast Asia and I have no connection to the Caucasus at all. Furthermore, in the past when NovaSkola made equally-biased AfDs on Armenia-related topics like Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/British Armenian, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Armenian Brazilian, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Armenians in Greece, etc., I opposed deletion of those too and criticised him for his hastiness in nominating them.

I already advised Lida Vorig about Misplaced Pages policy , specifically WP:NOTENGLISH, but his only response is to keep responding on AfDs with the same denial that Azeri news sources are valid for establishing notability . And Lida Vorig is not new --- his IP was placed under AA sanctions and blocked in the past for edit warring in this topic area .

On the other hand, NovaSkola is not helping matters by creating more AfDs on Armenian articles while this discussion is ongoing, like Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pailadzo Captanian, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Raphael Patkanian, or Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Pietro Kuciukian. But I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill with your objection to NovaSkola's phrase "Azerbaijani articles" (you're assuming WP:OWN issues?) First he's not a native English speaker either, and second all the articles are biographies of Azerbaijanis, so they're reasonably described as "Azerbaijani articles" in the same way that Bo Obama is a dog article and Socks Clinton is a cat article. cab (talk) 02:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

O boy, what happened to NovaSkola? That's really childish and immature. I'm gonna stay away from those, I don't want to make matters even worse. Ali, I want to withdraw two of the nominations, how can I do that? Should I just delete the voting page? Lida Vorig (talk) 03:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. cab (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Cab, I think your use of the phrase "partisan in this ethnic war" is almost as unwise as those more blatant ones made by NovaSkola. It is only you and NovaSkola who are claiming that there is some sort of "ethnic war" element behind these AfDs - actually there is no evidence of this: the deletion nominations were made on the grounds that the articles were non-notable, not that they were to do with Azerbaijan. However, I do think what NovaSkola wanted to imply by using the words "Azerbaijani articles" was that they were the property of Azerbaijanis and so anyone who proposed to remove them was by definition anti-Azeri. Lida Vorig has not been "denying Azeri news sources are valid". He has been making the perfectly valid points that one-off news articles are not in themselves a basis for establishing notability, and an extremely localised notability does not mean notability on a scale that justifies a Misplaced Pages article. If only such points were more widely accepted, we would see a lot less of the countless, almost empty, pointless stubs that are everywhere on Misplaced Pages. Meowy 20:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC) Meowy 20:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Lida Vorig

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Mythdon

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Request concerning Mythdon

User requesting enforcement:
—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Mythdon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Motion 2 based on Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Mythdon monitoring users' use of Rollback

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. Mythdon undid a rollback I performed for the mere reason that I performed a rollback on that edit. This is in some way a violation of his restrictions within the case.

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):
"Not applicable."

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
Block of some sort, per the case remedies

Additional comments by —Ryūlóng (竜龙):
As I state above, Mythdon only undid the rollback that I performed because it was a rollback, and that is confirmed by his response to me on his user talk.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

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Discussion concerning Mythdon

Statement by Mythdon

If I get blocked for this revert, then I'm perfectly fine with that. Nothing else needed to say, but please look at my talk page. Mythdon (talk • contribs) 03:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other editors

Myth did it for more reasons other than it just being a rollback. This is evidenced by his statements on the talk page, and anything saying otherwise is misleading.— Dædαlus 03:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• Without commenting on a possible remedy, because I haven't looked at the arb case, Ryulong shouldn't have used rollback in that case, it's use is limited to bad faith edits only (vandalism etc). If Ryulong continues to use it like that it will be removed. Mythdon's claim of having previously edited the page, and therefore having it on his watchlist (and not therefore necessarily following Ryulong's edits for the purposes of catching him out like this) is correct, he edited it approximately 3 weeks ago, removing a piece of unreferenced information. Given the history however, Mythdon is far from the best person to undo the rollback by Ryulong, incorrect use of rollback or not. Viridae 03:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• I'm recused from this case since I presented evidence against Ryulong, but it seems clear Mythdon violated Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ryulong#Motion_2 by edit warrning with Ryulong and not showing better communication skills (discussing the undo beforehand). Also, while I don't think he was directly sanctioned for it, Ryulong seems to have violated the meaning of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Ryulong#Ryulong.27s_misuse_of_rollback. Possibly this thread should result in a block on both users. MBisanz 05:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
  • On the basis of a failure to use rollback correctly despite considerable warning to do so I am removing Ryulong's rollback privileges. Block of both sides is probably warranted per MBisanz. Viridae 05:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Removal of the rollback privileges on my account is enough of a punishment in this case. No block should be made on my account, as there are no sanctions regarding my use of rollback (as it was removed with my administrative tools). I did nothing else except bring Mythdon's activities to the attention of this board because I felt he was violating the sanctions against him.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Good move on Viridae's part. And if I was not somewhat involved, I would block both of them myself. Tiptoety 05:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
    • I still fail to see how any of my activities warrant a block. The removal of the rollback rights should be enough.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Why would you block Ryulong? Mythdon (talk • contribs) 05:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• Removing Ryulong's rollback privileges was correct. As to Mythdon, in view of the findings in the arbitration case, I am inclined to issue a sanction per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Conduct probation enforcement prohibiting Mythdon from reverting edits by Ryulong. Thoughts?  Sandstein  05:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Fine, and not surprised that that conclusion is being made. Mythdon (talk • contribs) 05:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Mythdon

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• Ryulongs rollback access removed, he can no longer violate that so per the blocking policy any block now would be punative. Mythdon I have just blocked citing "Arbitration enforcement, reverting edits by Ryulong, general disruptive, combative editing", Basically for ramping up the dispute all over the place and intentionally and disruptively needling Ryulong. Viridae 05:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• To avoid continued silly drama of this sort, and in view of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Mythdon monitoring users' use of Rollback as well as the case's other findings about Mythdon's inadequate approach to dispute resolution, I am sanctioning Mythdon as follows under the authority of Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Conduct probation enforcement: He is indefinitely for the duration of his conduct probation prohibited from reverting edits by Ryulong. For the purpose of this sanction, a revert is any action that reverses the actions of Ryulong, in whole or in part.  Sandstein  21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Mythdon 2

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Request concerning Mythdon

User requesting enforcement:
Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Mythdon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ryulong#Mythdon_admonished

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. <Gratuitous mention of Ryulong in unrelated case, carrying on a dispute. Also the latest in a spate of recent comments on arbitration pages>

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):

1. General conduct warning by FayssalF (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
2. ...

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
I can't see how anything short of a longer block is going to convince the user to engage in hte community in a proactive and not combative manner.

Additional comments by Casliber (talk · contribs):
<Your text>

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Discussion concerning Mythdon

Statement by Mythdon

All I have to say is that I already struck the comment. No further action is needed. Mythdon (talk • contribs) 01:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I have just notified Ryulong of this thread. Mythdon (talk • contribs) 01:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments by other editors

• I'll just point to the currently open ANI thread (perm). Would suggest a ban from interacting with or commenting about Ryulong (except on arbcom pages and sections immediately related to the case). –xeno 02:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Result concerning Mythdon

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Pmanderson

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Request concerning Pmanderson

User requesting enforcement:
Andy Walsh (talk) 03:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested:
Pmanderson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated:
Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Date_delinking#Pmanderson_topic_banned, Subsequent motion; See notes below.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it:

1. Adds text to the main MoS page with the snide edit summary "add useless words to clarify due to pointless objectioon".
2. Makes inflammatory remarks about regular MoS editors.
3. Refers to another editor's position as "irrelevant"
4. Goes back to add that it's also "tendentious" and "inflammatory"
5. Replies to an editor with the edit summary "response to sole instance of reasoning", thus impugning the remainder of that editor's contributions to the discussion
6. A large statement in which PMA refers to me and "my friends" suggesting some kind of cabal, even though I don't know most of the MoS editors from Adam, and ending with a statement implying that I and others should not be editing content at all
7. Misstates the position of an ArbCom member in an attempted red herring (Here is said member refuting PMA's statement)

Diffs of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required by the remedy):
Not applicable.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction):
I request that the 12 month topic ban from all MoS pages and their accompanying discussions be restored on PMAnderson, since he has demonstrated that he cannot control his rhetoric.

Additional comments by Andy Walsh (talk):
In this motion, PMAnderson was allowed back on the MoS pages (except for ones related to date linking) with the caveat that "All editors whose restrictions are being narrowed are reminded to abide by all applicable policies and guidelines in their editing, so that further controversies such as the one that led to the arbitration case will not arise, and any disagreements concerning style guidelines can be addressed in a civil and efficient fashion". Despite statements that he was ""not planning to return for a while, even if this amendment passes" PMAnderson immediately returned to the MoS pages after his restriction was narrowed and began a campaign of aggressive and incivil rhetoric. Regrettably, all the examples I cite above are within 24 or 48 hours of his restriction being narrowed.

In the interest of disclosure, I have had occasional disagreements with PMA in the past but they were never incivil, and they are so long ago that I can't find the diffs. I was not party to the date delinking case nor did I even comment on it. I also acknowledge that PMA does bring some good ideas to the table, and is capable of rational, civil discussion when he chooses to. However, he doesn't choose to often enough.

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Discussion concerning Pmanderson

Statement by Pmanderson

Comments by other editors

Result concerning Pmanderson

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