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==Puppet ?== |
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Please do not use this account in editing articles edited by user Aradic-en--] (]) 20:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Request for rename == |
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For your reference, note has been left on the ] page for your attention. Thanks, ] ] 15:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Hey == |
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I just wanted to say, like ] once did, Makedonija ti pruži ljubav :) ''']]''' 10:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Želim te pitati: dali ti mrziš Junanci kao narod, ili samo onih koji su licemjeri? Nisu ''svi'' ljudi loše....<small>izvini, moj hrvatski vjerojatno je sranje</small> ''']]'''<sup>]</sup> 08:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== making aware of probation == |
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] In a 2007 ], administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing ]-related articles in a disruptive way. If you {{#if: | continue with the behaviour on ]| engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area}}, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-balkans2--> |
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Please stop baiting the greek editors. You called their country "Former ottoman pashalik of ]", apparently in order to ridiculize their insistance on using FYROM . That sort of statements is pretty much guaranteed to make greek editors angry and start esterile discussions that only make people waste time. Ídem with referring to other editors as "My dear Yunan troll" and "most of the trolls here are from Yunanistan" . --] (]) 14:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Huh...., not exactly the same thing. FYROM is a name agreed between Greece and Macedonia, while FOPOY is a parody of it, apparently created on internet forums to provoke greek people . I wouldn't like the discussion to drop to the levels of this, hum...., how could I describe it..., this "informative video" about alternatives names appropiate for Greece , or to the level of its helpful counterpart suggesting an alternative name for Macedonia . --] (]) 18:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::The strongest thing I can see on is "I realise that you are ashamed to call yourselves Slavs like this word is some kind of an insult...". I also checked the rest of his contributions and I didn't find anything really insulting. I just gave him a level 1 probation warning and a recommendation to avoid those comments. --] (]) 20:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I find it bizarre that anyone would think that using the Turkish<ref>In reality, ]. Incidentally, the names ''Hrvat'' and ''Croat'' are also ] in origin, the crucial difference being of course that ''Yunan'' was actually borrowed from the Greek '']'', whereas your Slavic ancestors borrowed their ethnonym from the Iranians.</ref> name for Greece is somehow a blow to the Greek ego. Apart from the fact that both what is now ] and the ancestors of your "Macedonian" brothers were also under Turkish rule once upon a time, you're probably unaware of the Greek origin of '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'', and countless other Turkish toponyms. I suppose the equivalent would be to try to provoke you by using the Serbian name for Croatia. If you actually ''had'' a separate name, that is. ] (]) 07:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:By the way, could someone please translate into English? Something about Ionians and Socrates. It looks like Serbian, but I'm not quite sure. ] (]) 07:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Wikiquette alert == |
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Your recent edit, I found below the belt, so I thought it best to have somebody to look at it here: ].--''']''', '']'' 12:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Aradic - just as an aside on this, 'tit-for-tat' (doing the same dumb thing someone else is doing, in order to teach them a lesson) doesn't work ''at all'' on wikipedia. no one ever gets the lesson or sees the comparison, they just get annoyed. my advice to you is to try to ignore it, and if you can't, come back to wikiquette and file an alert of your own, with diffs (so others can see what you're seeing). --] 18:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I'm going to have to agree with Ludwigs2 here. Just like in most sports where the referee always misses the "original" foul, but always sees the retaliation, Misplaced Pages seems to work the same way. Offending someone's ethnicity, using condescending terms towards others, and similar activities although may not be swearing, they do fall into line with ]. Certainly, when pushed to act, it's better to use the process on your behalf (such as a Wikiquette filing) than do retaliate. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 16:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::: Saw your reply on my Talk ... no issues about "lateness", I'm always trying to help everyone get along :) I would say that as a rule, calling a Nordic person "Nordic" is not offensive. However when placed in the context of the original text that caused the complaint, it appears more offensive...in fact, it sounds sarcastic. I know that tone does not always come across well in written word which is why we must always be careful.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]]</span></small> 14:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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I didn't want to change it for you, but "This user opposes the restauration of Yugoslavia in any form." should be spelled "restoration". --] (]) 21:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Edit Warring at Marko Djokovic == |
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] You currently appear to be engaged in an ]{{#if:|  according to the reverts you have made on ]}}. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the ]. If you continue, '''you may be ] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a ] among editors. If necessary, pursue ]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> --] (]) 19:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Balkan sanctions == |
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Please see this important message for you: ] (]) 21:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC) |
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There is a discussion about ] at ]. The notice wouldn't be seen on your user page so I wanted to notify you. -- ] (]) 09:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC) |
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== FYR Macedonia in Eurovision == |
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Please do not move the pages. The Republic of Macedonia enters the contest under the name F.Y.R. Macedonia, so the pages must be named as such. ] (]) 17:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Macedonia in the ESC == |
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Your recent page moves of the Eurovision articles of Macedonia from F.Y.R. Macedonia... to Republic of Macedonia... are totally disrespectful, this is not following ] which states (under Summary guidance): "In articles about international political organisations or cultural/athletic events that use specific Macedonia-related terminology. Use the terminology adopted by the organisation or event in question (e.g. "former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia", "FYR Macedonia" etc)". So it would help if they where moved back. -- ]]]</nowiki>'''</span>]] 17:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding <code>{{tl|hangon}}</code> to '''the top of ]''' (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on ''']''' explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact ] to request that they ] the page or have a copy emailed to you. <!-- Template:Db-pagemove-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> ]]]</nowiki>'''</span>]] 17:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Zdravo Anto... == |
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Please see this part of the soon to be opened Macedonia arbitration case: ]. While you may be right, it would be best not to move any articles about Macedonia for now. Pozdravi, ''']]''' 07:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC) |
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== Third party opinion about Karađorđevo == |
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Please see my comment on ] and reply there if you'd like to discuss this matter further. Thank you. --] (]) 19:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:See also ] --] (]) 20:16, 8 |
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:I'm informing you that the above user has stared a thread at ] regarding you. Please check out the thread and feel free to comment ].-] </sup>]] 01:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== 3 revert warning == |
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] You currently appear to be engaged in an ]{{#if:West Herzegovina Canton|  according to the reverts you have made on ]}}. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the ]. If you continue, '''you may be ] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a ] among editors. If necessary, pursue ]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr -->-] </sup>]] 01:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC) |
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Hello, I've protected this article for two weeks. To avoid future disputes, I've raised the issue on the article's talk page. Thanks, ] (]) 02:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Re:Tuđman and controversies section == |
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Yes, I agree with most of your points, but I must say that I support a further elaboration on the Karađorđevo meeting in the article. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">] <sup>(])</sup></font> 09:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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48h, ], details available on request ] (]) 22:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC) |
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: Some explanation would be nice, please,William!--] (]) 15:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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:: You and P have spent quite long enough fighting edit wars over the Balkans (his ''here we go again'' rather sums it up) to know that it is not allowed. Pretty soon now you'll both be on permanent 1RR on all articles. Discuss, etc etc ] (]) 17:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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== Branimir Glavaš == |
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Hi. Regarding , are you aware of the Misplaced Pages ] which state that the "lead serves both as an introduction to the article, and as a summary of the important aspects of the subject of the article"? That section of the ] article certainly needs expanding to become a proper summary, but I would have thought that his sentencing is important enough for a mention there. ] (]) 12:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC) |
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{{talkback|Cordless Larry|glavaš}} |
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== ] == |
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I've blocked you for edit warring there. My message on the talk page was clear enough ] (]) 16:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC) |
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Just please look at the following edits: |
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*a very civil comment: |
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I think I gave very clear explanation: |
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I don't know any other word but '''vandalism''' which is more appropriate for (I referr to the section "holidays") PRODUCER does not read at all -he simply reverts. |
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and numerous others--] (]) 19:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC) |
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24h, incivility . No, "Mr Reverter" is not acceptable ] (]) 16:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC) |
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== Sock puppet accusations == |
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Hi, it makes no sense just throwing around such accusations and adding tags to userpages. If you have any evidence, you should submit a ] request. Regards, --] ] 19:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Before reverting people == |
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Before reverting people take a break. Have a think. Is this really the appropriate place to have this information? Is a wikipedia article just a dumping ground of any information related to a topic. If it was then we would simply repeat things to the extent that wikipedia would become useless. Every article on the Bosnian War and related topics would look exactly the same. The individual articles should stay focussed on topic. ] (]) 09:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Edit War == |
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As I have been editing the ]. I am becoming increasingly aware of your edit waring across multiple articles. I know PRODCUER is to blame sometimes but I particularly note your continual reversion of well sourced material from the lead of ]. this is disruptive edit waring and so I have put a report in to ]. ] (]) 14:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Blocked == |
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You have been ''']''' for a period of '''48 hours''' for slow moving ] on ]. It is essential that you are more careful to '''] controversial changes''' with the user in question, rather than simply ]: this applies even if you think or know you are correct. Edit warring helps nobody, and actually harms the page in question, and the encyclopedia. To contest this block please place {{tlx|unblock|your reason here}} below. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=if you take a look at edit history you will see the following: *PRODUCER has removed category "People from Čapljina"- Why?? *PRODUCER has removed category "Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina"- Why? *PRODUCER has removed link to Praljak -Why?? What is wrong with that? About Sections: *I did not erased . I just placed it in another section. Sentence "Slobodan Praljak is among six accused by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), in relation to the Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia." is written below with that source and it is absolutely necessary to repeat it twice. *2 Section "indicment" and "charges" are totally meaningless because that is the same thing. also this edit producer's removal of section about connection with Turks (completely sourced) is nothing but vandalism-but nothing new :whatever he disagrees he removes.|decline=You have not addressed the reason why you have been sanctioned, except where you attempt to justify your edits. Raising questions regarding other individuals edits is irrelevant, since it is your own block that is at issue here. Since you seem unable to realise that it is the fact of edit warring, and not the reasons why you feel it necessary to violate policy, I do not think it wise to unblock you. ] (]) 10:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=Well, my reson is that I was preventing POV pushing ,vandalism and removal of sourced material by other user (and I have shown the examples).I do not remember that I have violated 3RR,anyway.I do not see what else I should say... --] (]) 12:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)|decline=Your main activity here appears to be having stalked {{user| PRODUCER}} and reverted dozens of edits. Solid block. ] <small>(])</small> 12:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock|I might be stalking {{user| PRODUCER}} or he might be stalking me {{user| Aradic-es}}. I have put certain article on watchlist- most of them he is constantly reverting .PLus some other articles... where he reverts totally sourced sections just because he dislikes them. ] i.e see sectin propaganda |
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== Report for continuing edit war == |
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I have reported you for continuing your edit war ]. ] (]) 09:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC) |
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<div class="user-block"> ] You have been ''']''' from editing for {{#if:2 weeks|a period of '''2 weeks'''|a short time}} in accordance with ] to prevent further ] caused by your engagement in an ]{{#if:Slobodan Praljak| at ]}}. During a dispute, you should first try to ] and seek ]. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek ], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request ]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:|] (]) 03:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)}}</div>{{z9}}<!-- Template:uw-ewblock --> Per . Any admin may lift this block if you will agree to an article restriction that prevents editing of Balkan articles. ] (]) 03:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|I have explained my reasons at ].Even other editors agreed with them. Other meaningless accusations I have denied there but I could not continue because I was blocked in the mean time.|decline=As was said, "Any admin may lift this block if you will agree to an article restriction that prevents editing of Balkan articles." Otherwise, no. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 15:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)}} |
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== ICTYoda == |
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You may be interested ] ] (]) 08:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Block evasion!? == |
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What is the matter with you, Aradic?! You'll get idef blocked(!), STOP block evading. Final warning or I'll report you myself. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">] <sup>(])</sup></font> 08:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:THANKS a lot for your great help! Do not forget to remind me that I help you in a first chance.--] (]) 11:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:But, OK, it does not matter. I can wait. I will quit this till september.--] (]) 11:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. Either way, you can still use your talkpage to voice your opinion on the issues. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">] <sup>(])</sup></font> 13:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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I write smth negative about Bosniaks and I get banned. My edits are beeing labeled as "inflammatory" |
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PRODUCER writes gossips about some Croats trying to present them as "facts" and nothing-his edits ,on the other hand , are NOT beeing labeled as "inflammatory". ''Houston, we gotta situation!''--] (]) 14:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:You and PRODUCER were both blocked for edit warring. Then you continued to edit war and got blocked for 2 weeks for this warring and not your POV. However, please do not try to defend your recent edits based generally on what PRODUCER does. I have removed or reworded some of PRODUCER's additions to karadjordjevo because I thought they were unnecessarily negative against Croats and not needed in the article. Misplaced Pages is not the place for a competition on making Croats or Bosniaks look better or worse than each other. Ideally articles should contain the most notable facts, reliably sourced. ] (]) 14:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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My block history is exclusively related to conflict with Bosniak POV pushers (], ] ,],], ] etc.) Most of them appeared to be sockpuppeteers. |
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:I reported ICTYoda because he was the same user as Kruško Mortale, Historičar, Journalist, Emir Arven etc. You thought he was PRODUCER because you were having a battle with PRODUCER (okay I used ] to post the sockpuppet report as a joke which was very wrong and stupid of me). However, I actually thought that ICTYoda's edits and reverts were mostly correct (I don't know about the edits of the others because I haven't been editing Balkans articles for that long). ] (]) 07:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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Now ,could anybody explain me:why my edits ''against Bosniaks'' are inflamatory |
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] edits against Croats are not inflamatory?? Any difference??--] (]) 18:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:Which edits "against Croats"? I just look at edits on a case by case basis. I don't label all of your edits as inflamatory. We shouldn't be making edits ''"against" anyone'' it seems like you have the wrong idea about what wikipedia is. It is not a propaganda machine. ] (]) 07:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::His edits in articles :] , ] and ] |
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Related to : are you aware what kind of nonsense comparison did you make?? Ustaše were all declared Croats (about 40% of their ancestors today declare themselves as Bosniaks!!) but not all Croats are Ustaše. This is the case when one ethnic group is identifying itself with another one-given by leaders!!You probably do not know that the leader of Sandžak muslims made the similar statements about "mother Turkey".--] (]) 15:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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I gave bunch of reliable sources... i.e for Bosniaks and Turks: I sourced Bosniak press ! That is not the secret!--] (]) 18:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::See how annoyed you get when someone tries to label Croats, even if only some of them. ] (]) 15:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: OK, then you bless to delete all I dislike from here about Croats???16:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::I don't understand. PRODUCER seems to have tried to keep the words ] in the articles of ] and ]. He has also tried to keep in a small but very reliably sourced rumour on the death of Mate Boban. And PRODUCER has also tried to keep some information on the war crimes case against ] in the lead of the article. I hardly call this major provocation. But I do agree the Karađorđevo meeting can be called ''meeting'' in the articles on Croats, this should not be a problem. We have (I hope) sorted out the ] issue, it should mention the ICTY case in the lead as it does at the moment by DIREKTOR's edit . I am not bothered one way or the other on the Mate Boban rumour, it seems perfectly okay to have it in wikipedia though as long as it is stated that it is just that, a widespread rumour with no good evidence. I know Mate Boban is held in high regard by many Croats but for a person considered to be responsible for serious war crimes by most of the world the Mate Boban article does seem ''very clean''. ] (]) 16:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::: the problem is that we have the situation:some articles are full of included rumours ,gossips (Mate Boban, Karađorđevo meeting, Franjo Tuđman-by Bosniak POV pushers) but verified facts are beeing deleted (i.e my section related to Bosniaks and Turks, Bosniak propaganda about Ahmići massacre). another thing -realted to ] and :] or in English :'''innocent until proven guilty'''.There is no any reliable evidence that confirms existence of any kind of agreement. Yes, politicians often lie! I won't guearantee for anyone. but this kind of judgment is totally POV. There is no any material evidence for that. There is no anybody's statemnt "F.T. and S.M. '''agreed''' about smth in Karađorđevo". without that it is all '''gossip'''!] (]) 06:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC) |
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: The trouble is that most of the people you quote as having said there was no agreement did not say that at all. What they generally say is that there was no concrete or formal agreement. It is your POV that interprets this as no agreement. I have looked extensively at the evidence including historical backgrounds and summary's of ICTY cases and the vast weight of evidence is that Tuđman and Milosevic agreed in principle but there was no signed formal agreement. The court has come to a conclusion that there was an agreement between the two of them a couple of times (although it doesn't precisely state it was at Karadordevo, probably would have done if the Milosevic case had concluded, and I am fairly sure they will do so again after the Prilic trial. If you want to continue to disbelieve the evidence then fine but my additions are from reliable sources that I have accurately represented, they are not my own slant on the details. ] (]) 07:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC) |
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: Innocent until proven guilty simply does not apply here because both of the people in question are dead. Again this stuff about an agreement is '''not gossip''' ] (]) 07:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC) |
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It is gossip because these are statement of people '''who were not present at the meeting''' but they told the stories they (supposedly) heard from others. So, these are 2nd 3rd 10th hand sources. and here are beeing quoted as absolutely reliable. |
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Plus these quotes |
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Why in the world are neecessary :they do not say a word about the karađorđevo meeting!!!] (]) 15:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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I do agree with you here. This is getting excessive. The subsection on the Serb leadership was added in to balance the bit about the Croat leadership. This was requested by Ceha. But my understanding was that these sections should be kept to a minimum just for context or else they should be a separate article. I have been away on holiday, and still am, so I will have a look at this in a few days time. Polargeo 30 Aug |
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==Here we go again== |
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] has started again --] (]) 15:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:Cut the religious remarks. I generally advised PRODUCER to place his version on top until this can be resolved. <u>It makes no difference what version is on as the matter will be settled on the talkpage one way or the other.</u> We're waiting for your unblock to continue discussions. (You're not unblocked now, are you?) |
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:btw, I advise you to try and put together a more neutral version of your proposed edits, one that focuses on the facts only. I also advise you to forget about blogs, forums, and other (pardon me) ''bullshit'' like that, and get real sources prepared. If a source is listed on a forum, extract it and use it as a reference. Focus on publications. --<font face="Eras Bold ITC">] <sup>(])</sup></font> 16:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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