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William Chaloner

Hi Gwen, Can you give me any advice? please. I created a William Chaloner page on Sept 5th but the 'View History' | 'Page view statistics' show zero from the moment it was created. There have been several failed inquiries per day for 2 years until Sept 4, then nothing. Obviously there been many editors, both me and DYK. Do you have any idea what is going on? Is there some old redirect? Can I fix it? Regards. Autodidactyl (talk) 21:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC) (PS. I have left a message with Hendrick, but I hope that you may know what's wrong.)

Ooooooops, I'm blind. I just noticed that all stats died at the moment I created the page. Perhaps my little edit was the straw that broke the camel's back. William Chaloner takes his revenge from beyond the grave... spooky ... or is it? Sorry to waste your time. Autodidactyl (talk) 21:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

(ec and pardon me for butting in; I just happened to be watching). Stats.grok.se hasn't updated any of their data since September 4 -- e.g. . I guess I take him at his word: "This is very much a beta service and may vanish at any time." Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 21:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I got an SQL error when I went to look at the page view stats. Maybe there should be a see also section with Federal Reserve System? Gwen Gale (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

In 1695 the Bank of England probably included the colonies. For sure W.C. would have flushed FRB, Freddie Mac, Bernard Madoff if only he had lived long enough. Autodidactyl (talk) 22:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC) (I assume that's what you mean :)

Sounds like he could have been running them. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Meta-Medicine

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Gone. I had userfied that (see also Meta-medicine) but the editor never did add sources and instead moved it back into the mainspace a few days later. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Poll evolution

Hello Gwen, me again. What do you think of the evolution of this pool. And the RFC was deleted here. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 14:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Since you're asking, I can say that WP:CONSENSUS doesn't support quick polls like that. Moreover, the bounds of the poll seem to be coming from someone who has a strong PoV on the topic, which is not on. Lastly, no content poll is binding, see Misplaced Pages:Polling is not a substitute for discussion. A source or outcome put forth by a single editor, if it fits with policy and is encyclopedic, can overcome the outlooks of a dozen other editors, but this can take time and much care to make happen. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. --HappyInGeneral (talk) 18:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I hate to cut in on the discussion here, but the "poll" Happy is talking about is actually the fifth or sixth time that discussion has occurred on the issue. The vast majority of editors from all walks of Wiki have indicated that a merger is appropriate but there are two select Falun Gong supporters (Single-purpose accounts, no less) who constantly filibuster "consensus" and then report to admins like yourself who are relatively unfamiliar with the issue to gain more credibility to their crumbling case. This game has gone on for two years now and two other SPAs were recently banned from editing. OhConfucius' poll formalizes the decision so that it is visible to the wiki world that consensus has been reached with the exception of a very few Falun Gong adherents with a strong conflict-of-interest. Colipon+(Talk) 19:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm aware of that. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

What do you think?

How to approach an anon editor who "signs" a name and date but hasn't responded to gentle nudging from Sinebot and me about getting an account so that real sigs can be applied? What policy applies...or is this a case of "leave it alone, Frank"?  Frank  |  talk  16:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Signatures is a guideline and signing with 4 tildes is mostly a civility thing, always hoped for. If the edits are helpful and there is no bickering, it's likely easier on everyone to let the IP do as he likes (along with letting Sinebot carry on doing what it does, lots of IPs get worn down by that and take the hint). However, you might remind him that editing from a raw IP and typing in what looks like a true name could be opening him up to later privacy worries he isn't aware of yet.

If the IP ever does get into a strong dispute or edit warring, an admin, in settling things down, can put forth as a first step that the IP either sign with 4 tildes or get an account. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Just a question

Was your comment regarding my PoV related to Charlie Sheen, sourcing, or 9/11? I have a feeling I know which one, but I didn't think it was affecting my editing THAT much... Soxwon (talk) 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Both 9/11 and sourcing but thanks for undoing your edits. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 19:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I figured the 9/11, but what about sourcing? I didn't think Prison Planet was reliable. Was it that one or a different one (for future reference)? Soxwon (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

The pith is, you blanked verifiable content from the article and then misleadingly wrote at WP:BLP/N, Page is under attack from Truthers trying to turn him into a martyr. The page wasn't under attack, Truthers is a wholly deprecating, polemic term which should be avoided other than in topics about the term itself (never mind throwing it about at BLP/N) and martyr was utterly beyond the pale PoV. As with any source, editors can talk about whether PrisonPlanet is a reliable source for any given shred of text but whether one likes it or not, it's a high traffic, verifiable website which is at the very least a reliable source about who has been on a guest on the Alex Jones talk show and moreover, a highly reliable and verifiable source as to the thinking and outlooks and publishing events found in that topic area. Hence, it was easily verifiable that Sheen had written the article, there was nothing demeaning or defamatory about how the edit which you blanked was written and it wasn't a BLP violation. Along with things like P-I and global warming, this is one of the most controversial and emotion stirring topic areas on en.Misplaced Pages. Editors of whatever PoV must deal with it heedfully and always keep in mind, en.Misplaced Pages is not about truth, it's about verifiability. All this said, there indeed may be some WP:UNDUE worries with the text, which also needs a thorough cleanup. Thanks again for undoing your edits, which could lead to these things being dealt with more easily. Gwen Gale (talk) 10:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

User using unneccessary language

Hi Gwen I hope all is well. The user Thegryseone made a very ignorant edit on a talk page here Mcelite (talk) 18:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Looks like they stopped after the warning, let me or another admin know if it starts up again. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

an author

Any comments for the AfD on this author? -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I see the reviews on that German website but otherwise can't find a thing on her, nothing. Guess I'll post this at the AfD as a comment. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Economics#Skewing of the Great Depression article

Could you please take a look at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Economics#Skewing of the Great Depression article? An editor opposing a bloc is being subjected to blatant personal attacks from at least one editor, and another editor is telling him that he's out-voted. —SlamDiego_←T 13:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)