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Aww...

Aww, Milo, I miss you! I stopped by and talked to OIC the other night about Guitar Hero, but you weren't around and I was sad. What can I say... I'm glad I jumped ships when I did. I still watch QL, but the rest of the entire medium is lost to me. I blame Google. --JayHenry (talk) 17:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL, Zac Efron as Daniel. I have a calendar, Milo :) --JayHenry (talk) 06:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Miloooo! I was just thinking of you the other day when I read this story. How have you been?? As to your question: you can't copy them verbatim, but it's generally acceptable to include links to them in the External Links section of an article, or to use them as sources for non-controversial claims. --JayHenry (talk) 06:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The Last merge

This may interest you; Talk:LG15: The Last#Merge.--Otterathome (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hola, Milo. AFD is an ugly place, huh? I often find merging to be an okay option so long as the information is preserved. I cringe at merges when it's really just a way to get rid of information, but if the content can be wholly ported over (which looks to be the case here) I've gotten so I can stomach it. I dunno, just a thought. Misplaced Pages attracts a lot of smart, creative people. And it's got an audience that makes it actually sort of matter. But because of the audience it also attracts a lot of lunatics and the pathologically destructive (where else can a bored person go to destroy something of any consequence on the internet?). Good work keeping Jackson free of the meat grinder. What's the cast up to these days? --JayHenry (talk) 00:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

What 'official source' contains the birthdate?--Otterathome (talk) 18:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Wikistalking

Your wikistalking of me is getting tiresome, I suggest you stop. And the source for the birthdate isn't good, it's is a community edited wiki and was only protected after its creation.--Otterathome (talk) 18:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Once again you write without a care for your ignorance of the subject matter at hand. All material on the current LGPedia page for Jackson Davis is official. Only by following your edits was I able to become aware of your personal vendetta against Lonelygirl15 related articles. You will see I that I have branched out now on Misplaced Pages and am trying to contribute substantively in other areas. --Milowent (talk) 19:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I highly doubt that Milowent is WP:Wikistalking you. You are attacking pages in which he has a stated interest and therefore probably has on his Watchlist. I know they are on mine. Please assume good faith. --Zoeydahling (talk) 03:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the squad

Articles tagged for deletion and rescue Category Articles tagged for deletion and rescue not found Hi, Milowent, welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron! We are a growing community of Misplaced Pages editors dedicated to identifying and rescuing articles that have been tagged for deletion. Every day hundreds of articles are deleted, many rightfully so. But many concern notable subjects and are poorly written, ergo fixable and should not be deleted. We try to help these articles quickly improve and address the concerns of why they are proposed for deletion. This covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated! Some points that may be helpful: Our main aim is to help improve articles, so if someone seeks help, please try to assist if you are able. Likewise feel free to ask for help, advice and clarification. Many times we are asked to help rescue articles by people new to our notability and sourcing policies. If the article is not fixable we can help explain why and offer alternatives. Many of these editors are also new to Misplaced Pages so may see deleting "their" article as "bitey". Encourage civility and maybe even {{welcome}} them if they have only been templated with deletion messages. The Articles for deletion (AfD) discussion is where the concerns regarding each article are brought up and addressed. To be an effective member of the project you need to know how AfD works as well as how to improve articles. Introduction to deletion process gives a good overview and some good advice for newcomers to deletion. Our primary work is improving articles tagged for rescue. On this template you can see a drop-down list of current articles tagged. You can install it on your own page by putting {{ARS/Tagged}}. A more dynamic list with article links and description is on our current articles page. It is highly recommended you watchlist it. If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to the list of translators available. Articles and sources that use non-English languages often need translation for those of us who cannot translate for ourselves. Many important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page; it is recommended that you watchlist it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. And once again - Welcome! Ikip (talk) 05:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Hope to see you soon helping with articles. Ikip (talk) 00:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Regarding AFDs

Hi Milowent. I've made a post to WT:AFD#"Having to" defend articles against deletion, which was conceived partly in response to your post here. If you have anything to say in response, I'd certainly be interested to hear your input. -GTBacchus 13:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, what a really thoughtful, brilliant response. Thanks. I am proud that you are a member of the squad. Your first barnstar I believe:

		The Socratic Barnstar
		The Socratic Barnstar is awarded to those editors who are extremely skilled and eloquent in their arguments. This barnstar is awarded to Milowent for their brilliant explanation about the psychology behind Articles for deletion, thank you. Ikip (talk) 05:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Wowee!

Thanks for the barnstar.  :-) Indeed its my first. Its amazing how much text can be generated in these discussions, I'm glad you thought my contribution worthwhile. --Milowent (talk) 14:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

What I find even more amazing, is users comments are sacred, and cannot be deleted, even if the editors are bullshiting about something as pedestrian as the weather, but a well researched article with several dozen footnotes is at risk of deletion anytime, as many times as editors get the urge, in a variety of ways, even by a new editor.

soap boxing aside, thanks for the brillant comments. Ikip (talk) 14:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

About that Quizbowl AfD...

Ok does it strike you as somewhat odd that several new users have been popping up, two in that AfD and one that created the User:bullofconfusion account, all with seeming knowledge of AfD &or policy? Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 02:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Surely it is odd. Not shocking i guess, sometimes people get jazzed over bizarre subjects. --Milowent (talk) 03:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...have I been reading too much WP:SPI?? Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 03:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Objectivethinker has an opinion for a reason, he's hardly unbiased himself.--Milowent (talk) 04:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

True...I just wonder where he came from and why his first edits were to jump into this AfD on the side of bullofconfusion, and wiht much the same arguments as bullofconfusion...it's probably just because I read SPI too much, but it sounds very fishy in the meat or sock department...I don't know...and especially so seeing as the account was created today (September 9) after the AfD was created... Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 04:58, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

It could very well be the same person; I don't know much about how sock investigations are triggered. It could also be that objective and bull are disgruntled former fringe quiz bowl members from the same team with an ax to grind.--Milowent (talk) 05:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I set up a sockpuppet investigation on the users, it can be found at . Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 06:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Not only am I not a sockpuppet, I am warning you for the uncivil language you used towards me on that talk page when I never addressed any other user with anything but propriety. The entire tone of that page and the "sockpuppet" investigation, based on nothing more than the fact that multiple people disagreed with you, are also clear violations of WP:AGF. Bullofconfusion (talk) 06:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Whoop-tee-doo, Bull. I know you are a big boy. And a smart boy as well. So just come off and help improve the article, its clear you are knowledgeable on the subject. --Milowent (talk) 13:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I made several edits tonight, as well as a comment regarding discussion of what is "preferred." IMHO, the standards of any one state or association shouldn't be discussed in the context of the general article (violates wp:npov) Perhaps discussion of preferences should be limited to that state or association? Interested in your viewpoint, since you're coming from a different angle.Mensa1960 (talk) 03:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey there then

Have enjoyed your input on the Glenn Beck page. I'm not subtle about it: I think he's a potentially quite dangerous fear-monger. Seems like the Beck "Constitutional Watchdogs"(although his and their familiarity with the actual document is, at the very least, in doubt: see the Youtube video of the self-professed Beck fan shouting about the "U.S.S. CONSTITUTION" without citing a single section of the document) have come to Misplaced Pages to worship their hero. Why I retreat from Misplaced Pages for long spells....Jimintheatl (talk) 23:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Glenn Beck

Sorry I reverted your change there. I did think about it before doing so if that makes it any better. I don't disagree that Beck is controversial to some degree. But here is why I removed it, and I see Arzel did as well... The lead of the article, in particular the first sentence is probably the most sensitive place you can place a term. It needs to be well sourced and accurate - it's the primary definition of the article subject. Controversial can mean different things, and just because someone has large opposition doesn't make them a controversial person. I'm asking myself, would not every major political commentator fall into a similar category - what makes Beck different, are they all controversial and in what way? I'm also not sure we can translate things like a controversial statement or a controversial policy, into the person is controversial. So we need some sources and clarification on this, and it's likely best placed in the Commentary and reception section, and not the lead sentence. In any case, it needs some discussion. Hope this better explains my actions. Morphh 14:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I didn't comment on this on the Glenn Beck page but there certainly are enough WP:RS which describe the man himself as controversial. I sympathize with Milowent's frustration at being jumped on and reverted for trying to contribute what appears to be a very legitimate addition to the article. Regards, ObserverNY (talk) 19:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY

Thanks ObserverNY. Its pathetic. There are discussion threads outside wikipedia laughing at the glenn beck page. --Milowent (talk) 20:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, that explains why my talk page was vandalized so often last month. And it explains your animosity toward me. Bytebear (talk) 21:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I certainly don't condone vandalism of your page, nor have any personal animosity toward you. I assume you are acting in good faith, we have just have varying opinions. --Milowent (talk) 23:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Exploding sheep are funny?

I couldn't get a hold of my friend Shaun, who had some stern words for you ("meh, meh"--or something like that), so I left you a visual reminder of the pain and agony inflicted upon these four-footed lovelies by articles such as exploding sheep (this picture was taken right after they ate a printout of the article). Just look at their sad eyes...

Praise

Dear Milowent, It appears I owe you an apology. I am sorry. I thought badly of you and suspected foul play (I still do of others, no group should work closely together at AfDs or DelRev's), but you turned around and totally humbled me with your helpful edits to my new attempt at an article Vladimir Ivir. You have shown me with positive reinforcement that all may not be soooo evil as I seem to see... Thank you so much. Turqoise127 (talk) 20:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I really am evil.  :-) Seriously though, I do like to improve articles, not delete them, whenever possible. For Vladimir Ivir it would be helpful if we could include something in the article about his research contributions, with citation for support -- I'm thinking some of his research has to do with the use of "formal correspondence" as a technique, based on some seraching but that may not be all. I couldn't tell what his role was on the English-Croatian dictionary, Google Translate only goes so far. --Milowent (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Raptor Jesus

Yes, it was short on Cats, now the cat is longer. --Alchemist Jack (talk) 22:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Thought you would find this interesting.Cptnono (talk) 12:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC) Oops, didn't realize it was at the AfD already.Cptnono (talk) 12:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Re your comment regarding Comparison of Internet Relay Chat clients, thanks. The operating system tables alone took about a month to create. The Release history section currently looks wrong due to a bad faith TFD nomination. I've been working on expanding/improving both this article and Category:Internet Relay Chat as a whole. When I began we didn't have much categorized nor did we really have any sort of navigational templates. You might want to note that all of the rabid "delete" and kill it with fire type !votes in the BitchX AfD are all parties to this AN/I discussion. This is not a coincidence; these individuals have systematically targeted a large number of IRC-related articles in retaliation towards me with regards to things laid out in that AN/I discussion. Check the article alerts section of the IRC WikiProject for a whole list of articles and other pages that have been targeted as part of this group.
--Tothwolf (talk) 04:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Schools

The AfD about the prisons was interesting. I don't know why Summit School (Queens, New York) was kept. High schools are inherently notable. How? According to Misplaced Pages:Notability (schools), they haven't achieved a consensus. So how are high schools inherently notable? Esthertaffet (talk) 03:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Civility / bad faith

If you continue your incivil and bad faith edits towards me in edits such as these you may be temporarily blocked.--Otterathome (talk) 12:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

We can only hope, Otter. You are a turd editor and you know it. I have tried to reason with you time and again to no use.--Milowent (talk) 13:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)