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Other neat portal ideas for longer term
- Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:
- Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
- Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
- Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
- Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
- If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.
- Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)
Note to self
independent reliable secondary sources
- {{findsources}}
- Cite templates
<ref>{{cite book| last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | publisher = | year = | location = | page = | url = | doi = | id = | isbn = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news| last = | first = | coauthors = | title = | work = | language = | publisher = | page = | date = | url = | accessdate = }}</ref>
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<ref>{{cite web| last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | work = | publisher = | date = | url = | format = | doi = | accessdate = }}</ref>
- Citation model
- Body text in-cite
<ref name="REFNAME">], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>
- References section
(reference template from WP:CIT)
*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>
- Different model
- Template:Citation
- Template:Harvnb
- Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>
See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.
More at Misplaced Pages:Harvard citation template examples.
Dispatch
Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:
- Featured content overview
- Peer review
- Did you know
- Featured lists
- Good articles
- Featured sounds
- Featured topics
- Images
- TFA
- And Featured articles many times: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches
None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)
Razzies progress
- 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
- Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
- 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
- Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)
Deadstar Assembly
I would like to see about bringing up for debate the un-deletion of this group, as they were proven notable and valid in the past, and can only provide even more proof to support the fact upon request. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 17:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Things that are in the article such as their referenced inclusion on soundtracks for both movies and video games, as well as various third party articles dedicated about the group alone should qualify them. But just in case it is not, please let me know what else can be included to ensure their re-addition.
Just an outline regarding their status:
They are listed as a national touring act in both Pollstar and Ticketmaster.
They were featured in the following BIG MEDIA - Broadcast, Film, Video Games, Radio, Satellite Radio, Online Radio
Project Gotham Racing 3
"Picture This" Movie
MTVs Punk'd episode #301
MTVs Making The Video - Goo Goo Dolls
MTVs NEXT
they've Had Significant Radio Play Internationally. I can provide the Title Codes as assigned by ASCAP
Britain Norway USA Canda
FMQB # 5 Most Added with 46 Adds (Friday Morning Quarterback - FMQB.COM)
CMJ Loud Rock # 6 Most Added with 59 Adds
"Killing Myself Again" added to AOL Radio
"Killing Myself Again" added in Video Rotation on Much Music Channel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs)
- See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Deadstar Assembly (2nd nomination). I would suggest working on a proposed draft version in a subpage of your userspace. Cirt (talk) 17:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure how to do that, is there any link you can point me in the direction of that would explain it to me? Also, it would seem the original debate was way off the mark with its claims on the criteria, as they successfully defended those points over a year ago as shown in the outline posted above (in fact they had to REMOVE some references as they were told they listed too many), and only have more coverage since then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 18:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- You can work on it, at User:Elblots/Deadstar Assembly. Cirt (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite sure how to do that, is there any link you can point me in the direction of that would explain it to me? Also, it would seem the original debate was way off the mark with its claims on the criteria, as they successfully defended those points over a year ago as shown in the outline posted above (in fact they had to REMOVE some references as they were told they listed too many), and only have more coverage since then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 18:02, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I started, but would it be possible for you to copy over the old wiki page to this one so I can just work from that and add/reinstate the things that were on the article originally, as this would greatly expedite the process on both ends? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 18:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for merging the old article with the new one. As you can see, I have added a few more valid references to the article. If you will please let me know what else needs to be done to prove notability I will make sure it gets done immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- Most of those sources fail WP:RS, are not actually secondary sources, and/or fail WP:NOTE. Cirt (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for merging the old article with the new one. As you can see, I have added a few more valid references to the article. If you will please let me know what else needs to be done to prove notability I will make sure it gets done immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I started, but would it be possible for you to copy over the old wiki page to this one so I can just work from that and add/reinstate the things that were on the article originally, as this would greatly expedite the process on both ends? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 18:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see how extensive coverage specifically about the group in print magazines are not valid, especially when providing referenced links to the specific publications (even one with them on the COVER). And what of the inclusion of the band on soundtracks? (A Major video game title as referenced on its OFFICIAL web site, a motion picture that topped ratings with millions of viewers the night of its airing, MTV shows - as heard on the samples posted from their official sources). If i were to provide the ASCAP info of the groups radio play, would that assist? (I don't ever see those things posted on any other bands entry). The band have headlined their own national tours, as listed on ticketmaster and pollstar. They are also on multiple independent labels in various countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.77.176.186 (talk) 22:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- I would also point out that although not all articles listed are available by direct reference, they should still fall under valid status via wikipedias own Verifiability policy as listed here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Access_to_sources#Access_to_sources . All articles are referenced in a way that anyone with access to the archive can EASILY find them, although not directly via online sites (however MOST are), but issue and page #s are listed where applicable.
Is there any update on this review? Info is being added every day that has been showing increased validity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- Most of the cites used appear to not be from independent reliable secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 05:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- As discussed in our original deletion review, the publications listed ARE in fact viable sources, not run by or associated with the group at all in any way shape or form. Maybe not US based, but magazines such as Zillo (which incidentally has been in rotation since 1992), De-Evolution, and Orkus are in large rotation in EU and the band has been featured extensively in them, several times in some cases...as referenced by the requirements of Misplaced Pages. I can post scans of the articles if that would help, but I was told last time that image scans of an article do not qualify as a valid reference source. Blog sites such as Blabbermouth.net are run by a MAJOR music label (in that particular case, "Roadrunner Records"), and as linked in the article, the group have gotten coverage on there on numerous occasions. The coverage in R.A.G. magazine is also non-trivial, but some argue about the validity of it as a source (as it is sometimes considered regional depending on which moderator reviews it...I've seen it go both ways). Again, all of these articles (ALL media mentions listed in fact, are properly referenced so it can be reviewed).
- I also would like to know how the groups inclusion on 2 Major soundtracks do not qualify them? One is for a video game (Project Gotham Racing 3) that even lists the band on its official site, and the other is for a Major motion picture (Picture This) which also lists the band as a contributor of the soundtrack.
- The band does also get national radio airplay, and as stated earlier I can provide the ASCAP data if required (but again, seeing how I've seen no other band on Misplaced Pages require such measures...I don't see why you'd need it).
- Them being listed as a Premium member on Vampire Freaks is a status set by the site and the site alone. It can not be bought, and it can not be self made. Basically, the site agrees that the group is notable enough to be listed as premium by their standards. If you are not familiar with the site, its a Social site, similar to Myspace, geared directly for the Genre that Deadstar Assembly are associated with. Review the site yourself if you'd like, and you will find a list of bands, but only those verified by the community itself to be premium are listed as such.
- Although not a media source, there is also a long list of major equipment companies that endorse the group. (again, each one referenced)
- Their music videos are on rotation on various internet outlets such as AOL Radio, and also have thousands of views (and more than 1000 non-band submitted videos) on youtube and other hosting sites. A simple search will validate that.
- They are globally distributed via various outlets (again, a simple search will validate that), as well as on all major online music sources in the US (Amazon, FYE, iTunes). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 06:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I am sorry but the majority of sources are just links to things like myspace, youtube, and even other wikipedia articles - all inappropriate and fail WP:RS. Those all need to be removed. Cirt (talk) 14:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- They are globally distributed via various outlets (again, a simple search will validate that), as well as on all major online music sources in the US (Amazon, FYE, iTunes). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 06:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- I shall remove the Myspace and Wiki entries, but those are very little in the scope of things. Dockyard, Pure, Zillo, Project Gotham Racing 3, Rimfrost, Darlklands, Orkus etc etc etc...are all notable sources, as has been discussed in our PREVIOUS deletion review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 16:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- All "offending" links have been removed par your request. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 23:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Is there any progress being made in this debate? If you would review the sources, I believe you will find them all notable (as was proven in the bands first review for deletion over a year ago). Not to mention their inclusion in soundtracks on top of it all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 17:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- Try formatting all of the citations, using citation templates listed here. That will make it easier to evaluate. Cirt (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- Will get on this asap (most likely tomorrow). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.9.131.46 (talk) 17:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
- Still working on it, I'm trying to make sense over how that citation tag works... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 02:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Ok...got a start on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Elblots/Deadstar_Assembly#Media_coverage (if this isn't the correct way please let me know). As you can see they are valid sources (magazines, video game, movie, and TV). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 05:32, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- No. I meant format this section with WP:CIT. Cirt (talk) 15:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ok..gotcha. Will update. One question I have however is that it seems that even when following the templates exactly how they are in the page you posted, it still doesn't link the article titles to their webpages (as I feel that would be helpful in proving notability). For example, the following shows up only as text where as if you look at the actual code, I have put all of the fields in according to the template. If you could fix this one so that I may go ahead and copy/paste it and apply it to the rest, that would be of great help...EXAMPLE: "Deadstar Assembly - Bizarr und intemsiv". Zillo. No. 05/2006. May 2006. pp. 12–18.
- As you see..it only posted text and no link even when I included a URL in the code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 17:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- You may wish to ask for more help, at WT:CIT. Cirt (talk) 17:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Fixed and updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 17:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- The References subsection does not have those cites formatted. I still see lots of bare links. I see inappropriate circular referencing to other Misplaced Pages articles. I see "citation needed" tags for wholly unsourced info. Cirt (talk) 17:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have removed all bare links as well as any links pointing to any other wikipedia entry. Let me know any other specific areas you see that aren't set up correctly, and if possible an explanation of why it isn't adequate. I thank you so much for your patience in this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please format with WP:CIT, and please fill in as many fields as possible that you know of info for, in those cite templates. Cirt (talk) 19:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- all but 3 of the references are listed using WP:CIT as per your request. All available fields have been filled out as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Wrong, I still see some that are just a link with a name, not enough information, and a few that are just bare links. Cirt (talk) 19:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- This is where I am confused. I understand the part with the link with a name (I'll work on fixing that), but the bare links, although not all point to a direct article, they point to the place where either the article is listed/mentioned or where the band itself is listed/mentioned as part of the entire publication (not all publishers wish to make their articles free for web). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 20:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Who wrote the article? Title of the article? Publisher? Date of publication? Page numbers? Cirt (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ok. Thanks :) I had filled in the ones that I had off hand (as you see a few of them do have that info listed), but am going to contact the bands resources to fill in whatever extra data they can provide where missing. Sorry for the mess, it's a lot of info for me (a user) to learn regarding the policies of the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 20:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Who wrote the article? Title of the article? Publisher? Date of publication? Page numbers? Cirt (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- This is where I am confused. I understand the part with the link with a name (I'll work on fixing that), but the bare links, although not all point to a direct article, they point to the place where either the article is listed/mentioned or where the band itself is listed/mentioned as part of the entire publication (not all publishers wish to make their articles free for web). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 20:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Wrong, I still see some that are just a link with a name, not enough information, and a few that are just bare links. Cirt (talk) 19:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- all but 3 of the references are listed using WP:CIT as per your request. All available fields have been filled out as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please format with WP:CIT, and please fill in as many fields as possible that you know of info for, in those cite templates. Cirt (talk) 19:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have removed all bare links as well as any links pointing to any other wikipedia entry. Let me know any other specific areas you see that aren't set up correctly, and if possible an explanation of why it isn't adequate. I thank you so much for your patience in this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 19:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Just a side note here while I wait for more details to fill into the cites: Not all articles list a writer, as can be seen from these scans: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=2081932&albumID=2858205&imageID=70670702 , http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=2081932&albumID=2858205&imageID=70670704 , http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=2081932&albumID=2858205&imageID=70670705 . I will however provide whichever info I can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 00:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
As you can see, references 5-22 are fully sited (as much as possible with the information available), and I hope that is enough to begin the review for reinstatement. As for the rest, If I am unable to get the rest of the details, I will remove them as they don't meet the requirements of Misplaced Pages, just waiting to see if the details can be obtained or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 02:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Any way to get a status update on this entry? The references have been cited to the best they can be via what information is available, and I feel that with the various publications and soundtracks the band has been on, they pass the minimum criteria for inclusion on wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elblots (talk • contribs) 14:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- You are mistaken. I am still seeing a lot of bare links and references with only a link and a name, not enough information for the cites. See my queries above about this, already. I said this before, above. I specifically named the various bits of information that is missing. -- Cirt (talk) 18:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Article undelete request
Hello Cirt,
Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Teechart
Coming late to the fray, apologies for missing the discussion at page review time. This is a request for re-activation of the page, I was referred to you when going through the channel at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review. I'm one of the team that authors the TeeChart library in question, so am naturally biased, please take a view in overall context.
Part of backgrounder text used in undelete request: ".. TeeChart is a non-commercial and commercial programmer's charting library in existence since 1995. Widely acclaimed and offered to the Borland Delphi community since 1995 (as profit and non-profit) and with (amongst commercial products) a free charting library product to the .NET community since 2003 (see for example http://www.steema.com/download/other_projects). TeeChart has been used in professional and academic circles for many years. A quick Google search gives 154,000 hits, more, for example, than some other similar entity types with wikipedia page entries. Other examples of this entity type would be "http://en.wikipedia.org/Dundas_Data_Visualization,_Inc." (in this case a company) and "http://en.wikipedia.org/Fusioncharts" (in this case a charting library). We are unsure of the deletion criteria in the face of the existence of the aforementioned pages and the relative search-engine hitcount. Deletion comments include "I can't find significant coverage for this company". TeeChart is not a company, it is a 'much-loved' charting library. .."
More info: TeeChart has had a Misplaced Pages presence in Catalan since 2005 (see http://ca.wikipedia.org/TeeChart). However TeeChart is primarily english language driven having formed part of Borland's (now Embarcadero) Delphi (http://en.wikipedia.org/Borland_Delphi) since 1996 in both commercial and non-commercial IDEs. It has formed part of many hundreds, maybe thousands of student projects in its time. It would be useful to be able to put a reference-backgrounder on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmbcn (talk • contribs) 12:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- I would suggest working on a proposed draft version, in a subpage of your userspace. Cirt (talk) 14:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hi, draft proposal at http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Mmbcn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmbcn (talk • contribs) 12:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please take a moment to read WP:NOTE. Does not seem to have enough secondary source coverage, that is independent sourcing. Cirt (talk) 16:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hi, draft proposal at http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Mmbcn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmbcn (talk • contribs) 12:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I've added some reference links to independent information sources Mmbcn (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I am sorry but does not look like enough. Feel free to file WP:DRV. Cirt (talk) 15:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, just to be sure I've understood correctly. Do you suggest I add more references? I'm not experienced with new articles, approximately how many references do you think would be an acceptable number? With thanks. Mmbcn (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes I would suggest expanding the content with more references, and formatting all the references used, using WP:CIT. Cirt (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I've added in more references using WP:CIT formats. Mmbcn (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Restoration of Softlink
Hi Cirt,
I noted my entry for Softlink was deleted, and whilst this was part of a discussion, I feel that it does warrant an entry due to the number of companies and users worldwide who use their products. It would be a central encyclopedic source for verified data. There are other similar entries for comparable products, so I am curious as to why those were passed while Softlink was deleted? (i.e. SirsiDynix, Koha, Evergreen + others)
At the least could you please restore to my user page for me to work on, or even up to Softlink (software)
Is there anything else i can do to fix this up as there have been several recent article additions which may not have been noted? Thanks.Sjritchie (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- The AFD was pretty clear that this was basically borderline promo/spam. Cirt (talk) 05:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
If that's the case then similar articles SirsiDynix, etc should also go, as they are all very similar in what they do and directly compete with each other. Essentially this creates an uneven standard for what researchers find when they are searching for library software. Either way I request the page be moved to my user page for review. Sjritchie (talk) 06:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Not really a valid argument, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. -- Cirt (talk) 07:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Nevertheless, as requested could you please restore to my user page so I can improve the article Sjritchie (talk) 08:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Done, User:Sjritchie/Softlink. -- Cirt (talk) 08:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Curious about Michael Dunigan
You closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Michael Dunigan as a delete. I'm curious how you came to that conclusion. Could you explain?--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh shut up. Wiki is supposed to be encyclopedic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.227.173 (talk) 15:11, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Consensus was assessed and determined to be for deletion of the page. -- Cirt (talk) 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- How specifically did you assess consensus and come to that determination?--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- It appears that in the AFD discussion there was only one individual advocating for keeping the page - and that was yourself. -- Cirt (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Just to be clear, was it the strength of the arguments, or did you just count the votes and pick a majority winner?--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Both. -- Cirt (talk) 14:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. Just to be clear, was it the strength of the arguments, or did you just count the votes and pick a majority winner?--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- It appears that in the AFD discussion there was only one individual advocating for keeping the page - and that was yourself. -- Cirt (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- How specifically did you assess consensus and come to that determination?--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Jokaroo
Hi, I saw you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jokeroo. Note that Jokaroo is a copy of that article and it seems reasonable that the AfD applies to this article as well. Haakon (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Open Platform as a Service
I believe the admin ruled to "keep" Open Platform as a Service yet you deleted it. Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.181.145 (talk) 03:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- The consensus was to delete. -- Cirt (talk) 07:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I understand what it means when users write "keep." However, what does it mean that the Admin entered "result=keep" in the (non-visible) source notes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.11.216 (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- I do not know to what you are referring. The result was delete, not keep. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Platform as a Service. -- Cirt (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, the result was keep by the admin. You were the one who deleted the article. It was also relisted. Please undelete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.11.216 (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- Link please to this result you speak of? -- Cirt (talk) 04:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- No, the result was keep by the admin. You were the one who deleted the article. It was also relisted. Please undelete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.11.216 (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
- I do not know to what you are referring. The result was delete, not keep. See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Platform as a Service. -- Cirt (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- I understand what it means when users write "keep." However, what does it mean that the Admin entered "result=keep" in the (non-visible) source notes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.11.216 (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- I can't link to it because you deleted it. It was in the source. Maybe you can pull up the history/changes? In the interim, please undelete in good faith.
Your TFA
See this Raul654 (talk) 05:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 05:34, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Re-creation (RoschierRaidla)
Article about law firm (420 Lawyer). --Bot-iww (talk) 11:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Undeletion of Teeworlds and X-Moto
As the closing administrator on both the Teeworlds and X-Moto AfDs, I thought I'd bring this to you first as I believe both undeletions are uncontroversial, with the articles being deleted in the first place due to inadequate effort in finding sources.
Teeworlds (AfD)
Teeworlds has several leagues at Electronic Sports League Europe, nearly all games which it lists are notable.
Neoseeker covered a company which offers a play-for-cash system based on Teeworlds. The article does discuss Teeworlds itself briefly.
fr:MacPlus has an article about Teeworlds here (and in English) given its fr.wikipedia page, it's both notable on its own, and given a staff of 12, reliable as well.
TIGSource also covered Teeworlds with a sizable piece.
Cynamite, a German publication also published a review.
The game seems to primarily be popular in Europe, so the majority of sources are non-English.
X-Moto (AfD)
LinuxLinks has a short-but-unique description, features list and requirements. LinuxLinks been cited several times on other articles.
MacApper published a short review, and has a substantial staff with an editor.
FOSSwire's article is brief, but the site appears to be reliable, with commercial backing and a variety of contributors.
UpToDown has downloads and an overview of the game, and translating their about page confirms that they're both commercial and have an editorial process.
Though it doesn't confer notability, I think it's worth noting that the X-Moto site receives in excess of 100,000 unique visitors per month and has articles on many alternate-language Wikipedias.
As with Teeworlds I've omitted a number of non-English sources. Per Alexa, French traffic leads by a wide margin.
If you think either of these might be contested, I can bring them up for deletion review.
Thanks for your time. Singlemaltscotch (talk) 14:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Would be best for you to work on a draft version, in a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'd like to build upon the previous content, if you don't mind userfying them for me. Singlemaltscotch (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
= Done. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The Secretions : Undelete request
Hello, My name is Mickie Rat and I am in a Sacramento band called The Secretions. We have been playing since 1991 and one of our fans worked tirelessly to create a wiki for us, which was deleted with no warning to us. Maybe you don't think it's important enough, but it would really help us out to have this page back up. Also, try googling The Secretions and we appear on at least the first page, especially for image search. I'm going to create another one anyway, but it would be nice to not have to start from scratch. Anyway, all I'm asking is, please undelete it if you can, and please don't delete the new one I am going to start all over again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.48.52.241 (talk) 15:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Please register an account on Misplaced Pages. Then you can work on a draft version of the article, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 17:57, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Expelled senators
Thanks for the notification. Are you asking me for input, or just letting me know? If you're asking for input, please explain further, because I'm not sure what you're asking for. Nyttend (talk) 18:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Ghost wars
I saw you protected the ghost page - rightly so. There is a furious debate about ghosts and pseudo-science, and also a minor one about whether the article gives a global view. Is there a standard way to run some sort of formal debate, maybe moderated, to resolve the issue? Aymatth2 (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I would suggest WP:RFC. -- Cirt (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I started one. I am not too optimistic it will work, but worth a try. Until coming across it a week or so ago, I would never have thought the subject could be so controversial. But it sure is. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Admin barnstar
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- Thank you, very much! -- Cirt (talk) 23:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Suggestion
Special:Contributions/198.188.6.56 You may want to extend the block (it's a school IP that's been blocked many times) and disable tpe or semi the page instead of full. Enigma 01:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- Nah, we'll leave it for now. Could extend the block if there is more disruption after current block expires. -- Cirt (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
FYI
This anon IP editor 129.24.60.222 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) ←, → has struck again. Time to revoke his ability to edit own talk page? :) --Dave 03:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done. -- Cirt (talk) 03:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, did I mentioned he's one persistent bugga? :) --Dave 03:50, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Jose Peralta
It's great fun working with you on this! LOL. Bearian (talk) 04:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. This was the state of the article, before I improved it. -- Cirt (talk) 04:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Aaron S. Kurland
Thanks for the welcome. I looked at the quote template and I didn't grok that it could just be a quote with no attribution. Thanks for re-adding it and the double curly at the end. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron S. Kurland (talk • contribs) 00:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Cantos Music Foundation
- Cantos Music Foundation · ( talk | logs | links | watch ) ·
Cantos Music Foundation is non-profit organization for education, and it match public benefits. Furthermore, it is one of important source of several Misplaced Pages articles including Canadian Country Music Hall of Fame, Moog synthesizers, Rolling Stones Mobile Studio, Bruce Haack, etc. If you suspect advertisement, I want to improve it. Please consider undeletion or userfication of the page. Best regards, --Clusternote (talk) 00:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done, now at User:Clusternote/Cantos Music Foundation. -- Cirt (talk) 01:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your decision. I'll improve it. --Clusternote (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
closing afd
Unless the time stamps have gotten mixed up, you seem to be inadvertently closing afds after 6x24+1 hours, instead of 7x24.(for example , ; remember how it used to be when admins tried to rush each other to get there first.? DGG ( talk ) 04:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- If there is a specific complaint about a specific AFD, we could address that. -- Cirt (talk) 05:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- no, I have no problem with any specific close, or I would have said so--I merely mentioned that one to give a general time point at which you made at least a dozen such closes. I would have a problem with your practice of closing in 6 days, contrary to policy which requires 7, if it were deliberate, and not, as I assume, inadvertent. DGG ( talk ) 01:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, I see you actually did reference a specific AFD above, it was just not wiki-linked properly, and that was Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/EMF balancing technique. As you may or may not have noticed, I subsequently (and promptly) have restored, reopened, and relisted that AFD debate. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- no, I have no problem with any specific close, or I would have said so--I merely mentioned that one to give a general time point at which you made at least a dozen such closes. I would have a problem with your practice of closing in 6 days, contrary to policy which requires 7, if it were deliberate, and not, as I assume, inadvertent. DGG ( talk ) 01:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Manju Gupta
Hi. Could you take a look at the above article's AfD? 14 days since it's been listed... Thanks ▒ ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ▒ ―Œ 07:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done. -- Cirt (talk) 07:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks :) ▒ ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ▒ ―Œ 11:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
AfD
Please check out: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Series of tubes (3rd nomination). Thanks. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for finishing with the tags. I was about to do it myself but I got distracted by a phone call. — Rankiri (talk) 19:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Unban request
I have a feeling that breaking Cheokho and Mahoneyj2 toys will result in a lock on the toy chest. Just to let you know that the former already managed to make an unblock request. Excirial 21:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Possible socking going on? -- Cirt (talk) 21:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- I can see nothing huggle's that would suggest they are still on it, but those are in my eyes definitely sockpuppets. Just have a look at their edit's - The few edits they made before today would suggest that someone is hopping accounts. No edits in 2008, both vandalism, and both managed to get entangled in he same article in just 3 minutes. Excirial 21:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. You may wish to mention that on their two talk pages. -- Cirt (talk) 21:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done. Confirmed as well trough the good ol - "My friend was on my account and...". (Edit) Sorry to keep bothering you with this, but is there any chance you can see who created Cowdrey Cricket Club before it was deleted on 15 October 2007? The user suddenly added an old CSD warning from somewhere on his userpage origionating from that date, claiming he made it. Might be another sock to mark. Excirial 21:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Mahoneyj2 (talk · contribs) created that page. -- Cirt (talk) 21:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks again - might actually have figured that if i didn't miss the first edit make to his talk page. Excirial 21:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Mahoneyj2 (talk · contribs) created that page. -- Cirt (talk) 21:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done. Confirmed as well trough the good ol - "My friend was on my account and...". (Edit) Sorry to keep bothering you with this, but is there any chance you can see who created Cowdrey Cricket Club before it was deleted on 15 October 2007? The user suddenly added an old CSD warning from somewhere on his userpage origionating from that date, claiming he made it. Might be another sock to mark. Excirial 21:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. You may wish to mention that on their two talk pages. -- Cirt (talk) 21:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- I can see nothing huggle's that would suggest they are still on it, but those are in my eyes definitely sockpuppets. Just have a look at their edit's - The few edits they made before today would suggest that someone is hopping accounts. No edits in 2008, both vandalism, and both managed to get entangled in he same article in just 3 minutes. Excirial 21:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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Lopez Negrete Communications
Hi Cirt,
You may recall userfying Lopez Negrete Communications to User:Pink Bull/Lopez Negrete Communications at my request, subsequent to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lopez Negrete Communications. I have revamped the entire article and it can now be found at User:Pink Bull/draft. The current article addresses the concerns of the Deleters at said AFD and makes the companies notability clearer. What do you think about the current article and what can be done to put it back in the mainspace? Thanks, --PinkBull 22:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Seems a bit POV, and also mostly derived from a single source. -- Cirt (talk) 00:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Your concerns about POV are perhaps valid because the article does not include any negative information. However, I really haven't been able to find any negative information on the company. In addition, the articles on the companies listed in Category:Advertising agencies of the United States don't fare much different in terms of positive/negative content and are all fairly positive. Regarding the sources, please take another look. The article includes eight sources: four to the Houston Business Journal, two to Billboard Magazine, and two to Advertising Age. All eight sources are different articles.
- Regardless, I respect your opinion, but was hoping we can get a wider community review on this revamped article. I'm unclear on the proper forum for this discussion. Is it Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion or Misplaced Pages:Deletion review? Thanks, --PinkBull 02:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I looked it over again. It is not that bad. You did a pretty good job. :) -- Cirt (talk) 02:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! Does that mean I can move it into the mainspace?--PinkBull 02:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- No objections. -- Cirt (talk) 02:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! It's moved into the mainspace. There's a link to this discussion at the article talk page in case anyone brings up the previous deletion. --PinkBull 02:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- No objections. -- Cirt (talk) 02:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks! Does that mean I can move it into the mainspace?--PinkBull 02:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I looked it over again. It is not that bad. You did a pretty good job. :) -- Cirt (talk) 02:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Regardless, I respect your opinion, but was hoping we can get a wider community review on this revamped article. I'm unclear on the proper forum for this discussion. Is it Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion or Misplaced Pages:Deletion review? Thanks, --PinkBull 02:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
Regarding this , I've filed a SPI, there's quite a bit more to this than meets the eye. SPAs and spam articles going back to 2008. - Burpelson AFB (talk) 01:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome. -- Cirt (talk) 01:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Tie One
I'm not entirely sure if this is the proper forum for this, but I was wondering if you could explain why the Tie One wikipedia page was deleted. Bricology complained that Tie One was "A non-notable graffiti tagger, and an equally non-notable crime victim," which anyone with a genuine interest in San Francisco graffiti will tell you is ridiculous; Tie was arguably the most prolific SF graffiti artist of the mid-late 1990s, not to mention the victim of one of the most glossed-over murder cases of that decade.
Thanks so much for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midsummersault (talk • contribs) 06:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could work on a draft version, in a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
See also Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tie One. -- Cirt (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Tyne Daly
I removed the {{refimproveBLP}} tag you placed on Tyne Daly because it has 14 refs already and the several that I looked at support the text they are attached to and represent significant coverage of her rather than passing mentions. I'm letting you know since I know you're an experienced editor; do let me know if this is a problem. Frank | talk 13:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- IMDB is not the best source for a WP:BLP. -- Cirt (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed not, but as a supplement to TCM, The New York Times, Jet, and Museum of Broadcast Communications, among others, it's OK. If it were the only source, or one of only a few sources...that would be a totally different story. Frank | talk 13:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, but most of the whole page is only sourced to a poor source. Unacceptable for a WP:BLP. -- Cirt (talk) 13:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Even when you first tagged it, more of its references pointed to a TCM biography than to any other source, so I don't agree with your assessment, but...I guess the thing to do is just improve it. Frank | talk 13:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Most of the material in the article itself was to IMDB. I have moved that poorly sourced material in a WP:BLP article to the talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 13:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Given that you've moved what you considered offending material off the article, and I've now added several cites for what's left and the bit of text I re-added, perhaps you feel it is acceptable in its current form? Frank | talk 15:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, much better. Thanks very much for helping to improve the article. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Given that you've moved what you considered offending material off the article, and I've now added several cites for what's left and the bit of text I re-added, perhaps you feel it is acceptable in its current form? Frank | talk 15:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Most of the material in the article itself was to IMDB. I have moved that poorly sourced material in a WP:BLP article to the talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 13:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Even when you first tagged it, more of its references pointed to a TCM biography than to any other source, so I don't agree with your assessment, but...I guess the thing to do is just improve it. Frank | talk 13:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, but most of the whole page is only sourced to a poor source. Unacceptable for a WP:BLP. -- Cirt (talk) 13:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed not, but as a supplement to TCM, The New York Times, Jet, and Museum of Broadcast Communications, among others, it's OK. If it were the only source, or one of only a few sources...that would be a totally different story. Frank | talk 13:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
About article Murray Carter
Hello,
Would you be so kind to undelete the article about Murray Carter (the knifemaker)? It has been requested to be deleted by Why did you do it, with the comment that the article seemed to be written like self-promotion.
I DO think the article is notebale, considering the achievements of mr Carter. I won't sum them up here, because in the world of knivemaking an forging the man is a legend. There are dozens of people, all an authority on the subject, that can attest to this fact. Maybe the way the article was written seems a little like promoting, I will work on that. Furthermore the article is (like all) never done and needs more tweaking, but to have it deleted in such short notice....why? I've come across alot of articles that are poorer written and lack sufficient references. If you look at other knive makers articles, u can see what I mean.
Just because one is not familiar with the subject, does it has to be deleted so quickly? Though I think Why did you do it has a point in the way it was written and I am motivated to improve the article.... Thanks in advance! --RobVandeB (talk) 16:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- I would suggest working on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 18:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, could you place the article in the following subpage: User:RobVandeB/Murray Carter? --RobVandeB (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done, at User:RobVandeB/Murray Carter. -- Cirt (talk) 16:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, could you place the article in the following subpage: User:RobVandeB/Murray Carter? --RobVandeB (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Deletion of Wiki2Touch
Can you undelete this article into a subpage of my userspace, say Saiht/draft/Wiki2Touch? I don't agree that this software is not notable and will prove so later, then ask for general undeletion. But in the meantime i'm going to improve the article, add english pictures and collect sources. THX. --Saiht (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done, now at User:Saiht/Wiki2Touch. -- Cirt (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Tom Cruise Purple
Thank you for your improvements to the Tom Cruise Purple article. I invite you to work on any WikiProject Cannabis pages that interest you. By the way, I see you have a gift for creating featured portals--if you are looking for a new one to work on, feel free to take a look at the Cannabis Portal! Thanks again, and best wishes! --Another Believer (Talk) 19:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
deletion of UCHUG
Regarding the deleted article UCHUG I oppose the deletion. I am familiar with the information in UCHUG and know it to be reliable, historical and useful. Gordon Laird (talk) 06:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
ANI
Hi Cirt, you may wish to note that your contributions to Vladimir Correa back in December 2009 have been called into question on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Fraudulent referencing. It is a very long thread, you have been mentioned towards the end today.
Cheers, Ash (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)