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note to "CeeGee", Wikipedian and also Rotarian 'since 1993'

you added Members just to 'hide the others' as does the fucking Rotary and of course you deleted the only Democrat member of the Rotary, Dianne Feinstein

Misplaced Pages is not a fucking Rotary propaganda media !!!

you should mention that you are a Rotary Member before banging my work on Rotary Honorary Members

I do not have a problem if you list all the Rotary famous, instead of to let "and many others". All wiki readers understand that you want to hide Pinochet and Bush among the poor guys, so such a camouflage is a stupidity. A Rotarian stupidity. But you need to be stupid to be recruited by the Rotary conservatives.

By the way, I have a political assault here in France with Pierre Lellouche, for the defense of public services (like health and education, financed in France by progressive imposition of the revenues) Lellouche is a conservative deputy of the French Nation, and Lellouche gave conferences for Rotary Turkey. Are you related to Lellouche ?

"Ceegee", I do not mind that you place a full list of conservative criminals But please let Pinochet and Bush at the first place. Bush is now under an impeachment (if you understand what Impeachment is) process in USA. Before Nixon, I think it is a good Rotarian example.

If I remark some international banging of my Rotarian critic, I'll make an official claim about you on Wiki.

Pierre Larcin

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to read my critic in French // pour lire la contestation en français, please consult // consulter http://fr.wikipedia.org/Discuter:Rotary_International

Quelqu'un efface les liens dans Google.fr. Je suppose que c'est un Rotarien... Pierre Someone is killing links to the french version, I suppose it is a Rotarian...

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The actual Wiki article is not neutral as it is obviously taken from the Rotarian literature onto the Rotary itself. To have an idea of this propaganda, check the items "Rotary" in the various versions of Wiki, and also TheFreeEncyclopedia : same text, generally.

I just remarked in the de.wikipedia.org, and that is awful from Rotary that German Rotary clubs excluded Jews before 1937 and in Bavaria before 1933. The Rotarian movement MADE NEGOCIATIONS WITH THE NSDAP from 1933 to 1937. You know all that Prescott Bush made support to Thyssen and to the NSDAP nazi party with his bank UBC. Werner Von Braun, who made contacts with OSS after german Stalingrad defeat, who was an NSDAP member in 1932 and an SS officer (tatooed) was a regular Rotary conference-maker. So Ron Hubbard also. What a hell are these Rotarians doing ? ? What is the percentage of Africans/colored/Afro-American/black people in the whole Rotarian recruitment ?

By chance all that is completely ignored by Rotary "official" literature.

I added the "Neutrality doubt tag" and the section of Famous Rotarians with Pinochet, Matsushita and Mac Arthur, on my own, because Rotary usual literature mentions people like Thomas Mann, Walt Disney, Amiral Byrd, but forgets generals and dictators. Which is simply strange and allow questions. The other side should be hiding that damned past, but this should bring questions more... Have in mind that Rotary writes his history itself, like Catholic Church, or communists parties or, generally, totalitarian regimes. ________________________________________________________

ABOUT THE FAMOUS ROTARIANS Please have in mind that Matsushita was probably linked to the 1944-1946 affair of the "Fu-go" balloons, strategic japanese weapon, and that Panasonic-Matsushita is still a leader of remote control for balloons. These Fugo were planned to carry incendiary bombs, but also bacteriological bombs

Please have in mind that General MacArthur dismitted japanese war criminals from the Tokyo trials (1944), and that awful japanese crimes in Mandchouria were never judged. This allowed United States to gains profit (see Rotary rules "is this profitable for both parties ?") from the japanese researches on bacteriological subject. For info, Unit 731 in Mandchouria made dissections on living civilians (without anesthesy) and bombing of pest bombs onto living civilians linked to piloris.

And of course, you know all that Pinochet is now a filed criminal for tax fraud (like Al Capone) for american money that he received privately (from American banks) when he was an acting President, and also (sorry to forget) for about 4000 'missing' persons. May I remind that the Condor plan was executed in South America under CIA control and with the execution of French extreme-right criminals (OAS) and ex-nazis like Klaus Barbie ?

By the way, President Bush jr, Honorary Rotarian, has about 4.000 bodies on the hands, coming from the suburbs of American towns, in the center of which Rotarians live. It is also the truth that President Bush jr lied about Iraki massive destruction weapons, and that is not conform to the Rotarian criteria : "Is is conform to the truth".

Please have in mind that Rotary clubs were forbidden by Hitlerian regime in 1937, "as both appartenance to Nazi Party and Rotary is incompatible", which means that, DURING FOUR YEARS MINIMUM, Rotarians negociated with Nazis ? I speak of a "minimum", because of that Nazis had the power in Bavaria BEFORE 1933. And you know all that Bavaria is the cradle of Nazi party.

Thank you for your attention and thoughts pierre.larcin@ifrance.com __________________________________________________________________________________

to Martin Kramer : Martin Kramer Winter Springs, Florida U.S.A., msk995@gmail.com

Martin, you were so violent in your 'answer' (you do not answer but just repeat the general considerations of Rotary on itself) to my questions that you wrapped off the two first paragraphs of my text. Hereunder I copied them AGAIN.

I have a few questions Martin : can you answer to my email about details on tsunami ? I mailed you asking details about what was sent by the Rotary to Tsunami victims.

Did they sent salt against deshydratation-water loss ? Systems for purifying water ? Medicine sent, I mean drugs ?

Are you member of the Rotary ? (according to Max WEBER, the founder of modern sociology , you should mention it before speaking, because we speak here about human sciences : politics and sociology, and the Rotary is certainly an object of sociology)

Are you a "republican" voter ? Do you believe in God - are you member of some church ?

Can your membership to a religion explain the violence of your reaction (you do NOT answer to my text, where I statute that Rotary does not help victims of armament, human being traffics, AIDS, medical errors, etc) ?

Can you answer to these two simple remarks :

- do you have "coloured" people in your Rotary club in Winter Falls ? Which percent ? Is this percentage related to the percentage of general population of Winter falls ?

- why does Rotary NOT launch local programs (except for handicapped and students exchange, actions only in other countries) : you do not have poors in Florida ? Is this lack related to the fact that these poors could be employees of the companies owned by members of the Rotary ?

We wait for your reflexions, Martin. Reflection : thought, but also reverberation of light ray onto the source emitter of light

Pierre :-)

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This text was suppressed by Martin Kramer in the beginning of my "Rotary Discussion" :

"If the Rotary club has for goal to give assistance to suffering communities such as blind men, young people, handicapped people, AIDS patients, one can notice:

that the Rotary programs against the AIDS victims are or invisible or non-existent that the communities "helped" by the Rotary are not represented in the authorities of the Rotary itself.

One can thus question the future of a movement which comes to assistance to men without agreeing to count them in its rows..."

Pierre Larcin, pierre.larcin@ifrance.com

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hereunder the text of Martin Kramer Winter Springs, Florida U.S.A., msk995@gmail.com

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Rotary International is the largest service club in the world, boasting of over 1.2 million Rotarians in over 32,000 local Rotary Clubs in 164 countries. Rotary in non-political, as well as non-denominational. As a matter of fact, major Rotary meetings begin with a prayer that is common to ALL religions of the world. Rotary is not the the rich, white man's club as many think it is; but it is comprised of business men and women from all walks of life.

Many do not realize that Rotarians world wide have been involved in a campaign to rid the world of Polio, and the end of this ravishing crippling disease is almost complete. Rotarians world wide have raised hundreds of millions of dollars, and have sent armies of volunteers into countries to innoculate children without any other agenda but to save the children.

Those that question Rotary International also would be surprised to find that this organization was at the forefront of the creation of the United Nations; and today, has seats as permanant observers.

Rotary has an agenda. That being to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and heal the sick. Rotarians give of themselves and thier time to go to third world countries where doctors performs surgeries and dentists provides dental care all at no cost whoatsoever. In India, it was 3 Rotarians who put their heads together to create the Jophur foot; a prothestic device for those who have lost limbs. Agains, these services are provided at no cost to the needy.

During the Tsunamis of 2005, Rotarians led the way in providing Shelter Boxes, temporary and immediate housing as well as basic cooking untensils and water sanitation to hundreds of thousands of displaced persons literally hours after the disaster; through donations from Rotarians throughout the world.

And the people who criticize Rotary as an eliteist organization of Kings, politicians and CEO's; Rotary International gives out more academic scholarships than all of the other known scholarships combined. It's latest undertaking is the Rotary Centers for International Studies In Peace and Conflict Resolution. Here, at universities in seven countries world wide, students at a higher education level can study conflict resolution; with the idea that inyears to come, they will be able to work with governments to settle disputes without war.

There are literally thousands of projects constantly going on with Rotary Clubs throughout the world. AIDS awareness project, clean blood projects, clean water projects, health projects, education; the list goes on.

Always remember Rotary's motto: "Service Above Self." Plus the Rotary 4-Way Test:

Is it the Truth? Is it Fair to All Concerned? Will it Build Good Will and Better Friendships? Will it Be Beneficial to All Concerned?

Martin Kramer Winter Springs, Florida U.S.A. msk995@gmail.com

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here is my text who was censured by Martin. The first two paragraphs are above. Pierre

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One can thus question the future of a movement which comes to assistance to men without agreeing to count them in its rows... For example, European executifs of the Rotary (in France, Belgium, Italy) include/understand, neither black, neither Jew, neither Arabic, neither Asian, neither handicapped, neither woman, nor patient of the AIDS, for example.

In addition, one can observe that 1/the Rotary tries nationally to obtain national Presidencies of eminent personages: - the King Albert II of Belgium, implied in various scandals of armament or prostitution (ASCO affair, Fortunato Israel affair), - the Pinochet General in Chile, implied in various disappearances and embezzlements, - and many other preserving personalities

2/Rotarian recruitment often includes/understands political personnel criticizing the State role ("liberal" politicians, affiliated for example to Belgian liberal "reformers" or RPR-UMP in France, with the American conservatives, such as the former presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush junior)

3/the Rotary does not emit any action against the armament, the prostitution, the AIDS, and does not support nor the victims of the wars, crimes, or the traffic of human beings neither join or complete actions of public institutions, whereas its actions releve of the public services (health, education, UNESCO, third age, handicapped). The fact that the Rotary ' have contribute' to found UNESCO is thus relevant of a conceptual abuse.

The role of the Rotary thus remains associated to the question of knowing, in a human society, which role is associated to the public services of government. Under these conditions, how to be astonished that the "liberal" personalities associated with the European liberal political parties claim the privatization of the public services?

Whereas in 2005-2006, in Iraq the Bush administration goes in its madness of appropriation until defending a design of the war which returns to private war (engagement of many private companies, -iow "mercenaries"- for 'private' security), can one admit that the State allows the Rotarians to exert 1/the assistance toh education (private curses of studies) 2/the assistance to handicapped (management of work centers) 3/the development of international co-operation (private programs of assistance)

Can one admit in Europe to come to a situation where public services are partially taken by private corporations, such as missions of guarding, circulation, education, international assistance ?

Finally the ritual (banquets, white gloves), the symbols (freemason symbol as compass and triangle hidden in the six rows of the Rotarian Wheel) the exclusively male composition of the Rotary clubs ("with evenings where the ladies are allowed") (associated with the exclusively female composition of InnerWheel, which gathers... the wives of Rotarians) (and this, despite a recent "reform" that allowed women in Rotary clubs...in theory ), calls to 'the compassion' and 'to fraternity ', the mechanism of co-optation, the costumes (aprons in the United States Rotary clubs), the gloves, the banquets are connected with ritual the freemasons.

One can thus wonder on the one hand if such a sociologically conservative movement as a future, on the other hand if the movement is not used to give good conscience to some businessmen which, nowadays, work on world-outsourced products (iow manufactured... in the Third World), or that the Rotary, in countries where it is pursued, is used as public frontage to the activities of the free-mason lodges, held by "the secret".

Pierre Larcin, Lille, France pierre.larcin@ifrance.com

Recovered from "http://fr.wikipedia.org/Discuter:Rotary_International"

In French

Si le Rotary se donne pour but de venir en aide aux communautés en souffrance telles les aveugles, jeunes, handicapés, malades, on peut remarquer : que les programmes Rotary contre le Sida sont ou invisibles ou inexistants que les communautés "aidées" par le Rotary ne sont pas représentées dans les instances du Rotary.

On peut donc se poser la question de l'avenir d'un mouvement qui vient en aide a des hommes sans accepter de les compter dans ses rangs... Par exemple, les executifs européens du Rotary (en France, en Belgique; en Italie) ne comprennent, ni noir, ni juif, ni arabe, ni asiatique, ni handicapé, ni femme, ni malade du Sida, par exemple.

Par ailleurs, on peut observer que 1/ les Rotary nationaux essaient d'obtenir des Présidences nationales de hautes personnalités : - le Roi Albert II de Belgique, impliqué dans divers scandales d'armement ou de moeurs, - le Général Pinochet au Chili, impliqué dans diverses disparitions et malversations, - et bien d'autres personnalités conservatrices 2/ le recrutement rotarien comprend souvent des personnels politiques critiques de l'Etat ("libérales", affiliés aux réformateurs libéraux belges ou aux RPR-UMP en France, aux conservateurs américains, telles que les ex-présidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan et Bush junior) 3/ le Rotary n'émet aucune action contre l'armement, la prostitution, le SIDA, et ne soutient ni les victimes des guerres, de crimes, ou du trafic d'etres humains 4/ le Rotary s'associe ou complete des actions de service public, alors que ses actions releve des services publics (santé, éducation, Unesco, troisieme age, handicapés) Le fait que le Rotary 'aie contribué' à fonder l'Unesco releve donc d'un abus conceptuel.

Le role du Rotary reste donc associé a la question de savoir, dans une société, quel role est associé aux services publics. Dans ces conditions, comment s'étonner que les personnalités associées aux partis politiques libéraux pronent la privatisation des services publics ?

Alors qu'en 2005-2006, en Irak l'administration Bush va dans sa folie d'appropriation jusqu'à défendre une conception de la guerre qui revient à la guerre privée (engagement de nombreuses sociétés privées, càd de mercenaires), peut-on admettre que l'Etat permette aux Rotariens d'exercer 1/ l'aide à l'éducation (bourses privées d'études) 2/ l'aide aux handicapés (gestion de centres de travail) 3/ la coopération au développement (programmes privés d'aide) Admettra-t-on qu'en Europe on en arrive à une situation ou meme les services les plus régaliens sont partiellement privés (missions de gardiennage, de circulation, de renseignement, d'archivage, "d'insertion" dans la société) ?

Enfin le rituel (banquet, prieres), les symboles, la composition exclusivement masculine du Rotary ("avec des soirées où les dames sont admises") (pendant à la composition exclusivement féminine du InnerWheel, qui regroupe... les épouses de Rotariens), les appels à la 'compassion' et de 'fraternité', le mécanisme de cooptation, les costumes (tabliers aux Etats-Unis), les gants, les banquets s'apparentent aux rituels francs-maçons.

On peut donc se demander d'une part si sociologiquement il ne s'agit pas d'un mouvement conservateur, d'autre part si le mouvement ne sert pas à donner bonne conscience aux hommes d'affaires qui, de nos jours, travaillent sur des produits mondialisés (càd fabriqués...dans le Tiers-Monde), ou que le Rotary, dans des pays ou elle est pourchassée, serve de facade publique aux activités des loges francs-maçonnes, tenues au secret.

Pierre Larcin, Lille, pierre.larcin@ifrance.com

Récupérée de « http://fr.wikipedia.org/Discuter:Rotary_International »

• I find this article perfectly in line with a neutral point of view, and I see nothing worth disputing. I understand that much of it is directly taken from Rotary-published literature, but I find nothing wrong with that. I therefore recommend removing the npov tag. garybrimley 03:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• Reiterating Garybrimley, I also find the article perfectl yin line with a neutral point of view, excepting the 'Famous Rotarians' A list of famous rotarians is fine, even the names listed are fine, but the description of the persons is inflamatory, partial, and tells nothing about those individuals with respect to Rotary.

68.188.221.105 02:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Fritz

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All the above just proof that we Wikipedians can not allow to reproduce the propaganda. Notice that en.wikipedia and es.wikipedia and fr.wikipedia texts were the same about Rotary Notice that NPOV tag is just contested in en. version, which indicates at least a cultural problem from anglo-saxon culture.

Above cultural aspects, all this violence in above commentaries remembers me the critic of John Barron, who wrote the famous 'KGB'. He wrote that the usual way to allow dictatorship (of KGB) is to make a distinction between the role of the persons and the role of the organisation. And that a sign of Soviet dereliquiscence was that persons could not believe anymore. So, dear Fritz, it seems that you do not believe in Rotary anymore...

Well the fact is that, for the moment, it is rather difficult to find some representative of the US Democratic party which could be also a member of the Rotary. Except Dianne Feinstein,OK, but you know that Dianne Feinstein is NOT ALWAYS considered as a REAL democrat (death penalty, warfare in Irak, abortion, same-sex marriage, etc). I am a democrat, I mean a French socialist. I mean that I am then a traitor, a cynical, a pervert and a fucking communist. A target. Anyway, I am rather sure that Dianne Fenstein will give back her badge as she considers the list of the other "Famous Rotarians" published by the Rotary on the URL mentioned. Pinochet, Lindbergh, Bush, Frangieh, are not exactly friends of the mankind...

When you read Lindbergh's biography, you may not say that Lindbergh was EXACTLY a patriot and a democrat, as said Roosevelt. Same for what did Rotary in Bavaria before 1937 and even before 1933.

Same for family Bush. Did you know that Prescott Bush helped the nazi economy at least three times with his bank : Oswiecim mines, bavarian bank and money laundry during WWII ??

It is also true that General Augusto Pinochet is an honorary member of Rotary Chile. It is the subject of some mi-shocked 'jokes' in about all Rotary conventions. It is also true that Pinochet received money from anglo-american companies for his role against the "communist subversion", namely the opposition against anglo-american companies onto the Chilean economy. This was certainly an aspect of the Plan Condor.

Another strange aspect is that the Rotary movement gives proudly the 'Famous Rotarians', but forgets Tom DeLay, a brave Rotarian.

Fritz, you won !! OK I remove the biography of famous Rotarians from the wiki, but I add Tom DeLay AND Dianne Feinstein. I publish the biography of the Famous Rotarians hereunder, in the Discussion Area. So the Rotary will not be offended by the biography of whom it elected as honorary members.

Fritz, are you happy then ? It is more hidden now on Wiki. But in your mind ? Can truth be hidden ? Can Wiki hide something ?

You should have a look onto Tom DeLay biography onto Misplaced Pages. Same for Lindbergh And have a look on the wiki published by de.wikipedia.org onto Rotary_Club about NSDAP

By the way, a famous Italian artist edited 'Rotary Club of Malindi'. You should hear this song, made by Roberto Vecchioni

And make your brain work, if you are young.

pierre.larcin@ifrance.com

hereunder the biography of the Famous Rotarians :

Famous Rotarians

• General Augusto Pinochet, Chile, involved in tax-fraud and in the 'death-caravan' activity, and into the Plan Condor in Chile (DINA activities)
• General Douglas MacArthur, United States, who negociated the protection of Japanese war criminals against the bacteriological weapons researches of Japan, for United States
• Walt Disney, United States, who named worker representatives as 'communists' before the MacCarthy commission, to avoid worker unions activities in the Disney company. Walt Disney was close to Wernher von Braun, ex-member of the prussian nobility, ex-SS officer.

Freiherr von Braun was member of the NSDAP, the nazi parti as 1937, and gave conferences for the Rotary club. Disney founded Epcot, a dreamed ideal city of the future (it should be interesting to check the percentage of Afro-Americans in Epcot, and compare it to the average of Florida).

• Soleiman Franjieh, Lebanon, founder of the Marada phalangist brigade, pro-Syrian
• Charles Lindbergh, United States, who tested nazi weapons and made attacks 'against the jew lobby in United States'
• Konosuke Matsushita, Japan, who built remote controls for Japan conventional and future bacteriological weapons, the Fu-Go balloons, who killed at least 4 persons in U.S.A.
• Prince Bernhard of Holland, The Netherlands, involved in the Lockeed weapons corruption scandal
• Neville Chamberlain, Prime Minister, Birmingham, United Kingdom, who allowed Hitler to kill Czecoslovakia and Austria, and the expansion of nazis in Europe before WWII
• George W. Bush - Rotary Club of Washington DC (honorary member by 'RI Past President' Frank Devlyn at a ceremony on July 2, July, 2001 at the White House), who lied on 'Iraki massive destruction weapons' to allow warfare between American youth and Iraki youth, who allowed the detention of people without judgment in Guantanamo, Cuba (500 people, 35 nationalities)
• King Hassan II of Morocco, Marocco, founder of the Tazmamart jail (opponents detention without judgment)
• Rainier III, Prince of Monaco, Monaco, involved in tax fraud scandal by the French parliament see http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/rap-info/i2311-611.asp

and specially concerning Rainier : http://www.assemblee-nationale.org/rap-info/i2311-2.asp

and many more...