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Howdy! I don't want to seem unwelcoming nor do I have any complaint whatsoever about any of your edits. I just noticed you userpage and wanted to point to ], in case you've never seen it. Be careful that editing does not tend toward advocacy for a particular belief or cause. Identifying a systematic bias is important, and addressing it is part of writing an encyclopedia. But be careful that advocacy is left at the door (''especially'' when you think others are advocating for contrary positions). In any event, thanks for the work on Misplaced Pages and I hope my concern here was completely misplaced (as I say, it was only brought about by your userpage, rather than any edits). If there's anything I can help with, or if you have any questions or concerns, feel free to drop me a line. Best wishes, --] (]) 04:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC) Howdy! I don't want to seem unwelcoming nor do I have any complaint whatsoever about any of your edits. I just noticed you userpage and wanted to point to ], in case you've never seen it. Be careful that editing does not tend toward advocacy for a particular belief or cause. Identifying a systematic bias is important, and addressing it is part of writing an encyclopedia. But be careful that advocacy is left at the door (''especially'' when you think others are advocating for contrary positions). In any event, thanks for the work on Misplaced Pages and I hope my concern here was completely misplaced (as I say, it was only brought about by your userpage, rather than any edits). If there's anything I can help with, or if you have any questions or concerns, feel free to drop me a line. Best wishes, --] (]) 04:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:point taken, thanks. that was written quickly upon my return from an extended wiki-break. i know not all editors believe in the flagpole approach to balance, but i think it's a practical necessity given the entrenched activism i've seen on several controversial pages. -<small>] ]</small> 04:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC) :point taken, thanks. that was written quickly upon my return from an extended wiki-break. i know not all editors believe in the flagpole approach to balance, but i think it's a practical necessity given the entrenched activism i've seen on several controversial pages. -<small>] ]</small> 04:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

== user lists ==

can be taken as (and are) ], which aren't allowed here. Whatever data/lists you might keep elsewhere (such as offline) is, as always, wholly up to you. Could you please remove that list from your userspace? Thanks. ] (]) 14:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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Archive: 2009 <> 2010
A new editor's 1st exchange on Talk:Whale Wars.

past clips

in re cholo

Indeed. Cholo is one of those words that no English translation can adequately capture. It may not be the equivalent of the "n-word", but it is also almost universily used derogatively... --Jayron32.talk.contribs
i disagree with your characterization of it. from my experience in mexico i still maintain that it can be used without derogatory connotation, among friends. Something like vagabundo -PrBeacon

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
… In recognition of your recent efforts at cooperation and content creation. — NRen2k5 aka TheHerbalGerbil , 02:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Sea Shepherds and Violence

Just wanted to say thank you for the repsecful tone that seems to be settling on the community in the discussion at the moment. It makes a nice environment for cooperative work, you make that article a better place. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 04:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


To Trypto

I'm responding to you here (below) because I don't wish to clutter the ANI anymore than it already is. I see that you still have a need to get the last word in. Perhaps with some distance you can see the hole you're digging, but I doubt it based on your lapses in self-awareness.

from ANI thread
I've been following this ANI thread with interest, but I am not familiar with the background discussions of the image files, and I am deliberately not going anywhere near them. So I have no knowledge of the merits of the arguments. I also haven't crossed paths with J Milburn that I can remember. But, having read J Milburn's description at the top of this sub-thread, I have an intense feeling of recognition. It matches exactly the pattern of SlimVirgin's conduct towards me, ever since I was a newbie editor and committed the apparently mortal sin of editing some animal rights pages in ways with which SlimVirgin disagrees. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Trypto is piling on because he too doesn't like to be disagreed with and takes it personally. His mischaracterizations are familiar and tiresome.-PrBeacon (talk) 17:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
No, none of that is true. You previously tried to raise this at WQA, and were told by uninvolved editors there that your characterizations of me are without substance. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
That was a separate issue & your recollection is faulty or disingenuous. You have a long history of disputes with SlimVirgin which devolve into petty bickering since, when you lose the arguments on content and policy, you resort to snide and dismissive retorts. Much like others who disagree with SV, apparently. -PrBeacon (talk) 22:38, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Actually your claims at WQA were exactly the same thing. I'm sure disinterested editors here can judge for themselves the tone I use, versus the tone PrB is using. But I'm sorry that this thread, about the concerns raised by J Milburn, are being sidetracked by a pro-animal rights editor. The only part of what you said that is true is that I have a long history with SlimVirgin. It started when I was a very new editor, and was not at all as you described it. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
In the unlikely event that anyone cares: Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts/archive84#User:Tryptofish bullying other editors on PETA article. WQA, as I described it. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Heh, you felt vindicated there because one (not plural, as you say here) outside editor simply called it "usual disagreement"? You even admitted to a mistake at the WQA. The two other editors there asked for diffs, but I decided to let it rest. The "intense feeling of recognition" you mentioned at the ANI is more like vengeance against SV, and you can't seem to let it go. -PrBeacon (talk) 01:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: FNC

My argument is partly distilled into defending this addition to the lead section. I think it summarizes the controversy subarticle and best represents the primary criticism. Viriditas (talk) 00:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

watchdogging...

continued from User talk:Viriditas

Also meant to ask: has anyone requested CheckUser on the half-dozen accounts camped there to defend the article from balance? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them works at FNC. -PrBeacon (talk) 17:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't know who they work for, but we should be keeping tabs on how often they pop up to revert. Can you make a list? Viriditas (talk) 19:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I'll look into it, maybe someone else can help.. and perhaps there is a way to automate it. By the way, your input at talk:FNC controversies would be appreciated -PrBeacon (talk) 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I'll take a look in a few hours. Viriditas (talk) 06:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

'Fox News Caught Sabotaging Misplaced Pages Entries' 2007

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/fox-news-caught-sabotaging-wikipedia-entries/5486/
'Misplaced Pages is only as anonymous as your IP'
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/08/wikipedia-is-on.html

campers, FNC defenders

a quick list, to start:

newer editors

previously more active

(more or less)

to Soxwon

Stop patronizing at Talk:Fox News

Some of your recent comments at Talk:Fox News cross the line of civility. You're patronizing other editors with snide remarks like "You need to read." Since you started a respectful dialogue with me earlier this year, I'll give you more slack than others who didn't. But now you're coming off just as belligerent as the hardcore FNC defenders. -PrBeacon (talk) 19:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I am trying to avoid another huge, unwieldly discussion such as what happened with the NC Donation section. I realize I may appear to be patronizing and apologize for that, but really I'm trying to just get to the meat of the argument, namely why you think that the material should go back in. I'll try to stop using potentially insulting language for the duration of the discussion. Soxwon (talk) 19:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
This discussion should be on Talk:Fox News Channel where others can participate. PrBeacon, reverting is not helpful. Please focus on collecting diffs and evidence instead. Viriditas (talk) 19:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Userpage

Howdy! I don't want to seem unwelcoming nor do I have any complaint whatsoever about any of your edits. I just noticed you userpage and wanted to point to Misplaced Pages:NOTADVOCATE, in case you've never seen it. Be careful that editing does not tend toward advocacy for a particular belief or cause. Identifying a systematic bias is important, and addressing it is part of writing an encyclopedia. But be careful that advocacy is left at the door (especially when you think others are advocating for contrary positions). In any event, thanks for the work on Misplaced Pages and I hope my concern here was completely misplaced (as I say, it was only brought about by your userpage, rather than any edits). If there's anything I can help with, or if you have any questions or concerns, feel free to drop me a line. Best wishes, --TeaDrinker (talk) 04:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

point taken, thanks. that was written quickly upon my return from an extended wiki-break. i know not all editors believe in the flagpole approach to balance, but i think it's a practical necessity given the entrenched activism i've seen on several controversial pages. -PrBeacon (talk) 04:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

user lists

User lists like this can be taken as (and are) personal attacks, which aren't allowed here. Whatever data/lists you might keep elsewhere (such as offline) is, as always, wholly up to you. Could you please remove that list from your userspace? Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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