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*'''Keep''' - Sources seem to demonstrate notability. --] (]) 21:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
'''Keep''' - Sources are independent, credible, refer to other sources of notoriety, and seem to demonstrate notability. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> *'''Keep''' - Sources seem to demonstrate notability ] (]) 21:55, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Sources are independent, credible, refer to other sources of notoriety, and seem to demonstrate notability. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:<span style="color:#FF4F00;">'''] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ] (]) 00:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist -->] :<span style="color:#FF4F00;">'''] to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ] (]) 00:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist -->]
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*'''Weak keep'''. A lot of the sources are not really helpful, lacking significant coverage and credibility as reliable sources. The usna.edu and dcmilitary.com cites seem to scrape by the GNG between them, though. &mdash;] (]) 03:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC) *'''Weak keep'''. A lot of the sources are not really helpful, lacking significant coverage and credibility as reliable sources. The usna.edu and dcmilitary.com cites seem to scrape by the GNG between them, though. &mdash;] (]) 03:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
*<s>'''Speedy delete'''</s> G11. Blatant advertising. Sentences such as ''"Few, if any, are able to boost the record Critzos accumulated as well as the time span during which he dominated."'' and ''"His technical ability was matched by few, if any"'' serve as a concrete foundation of my belief that this article is fundamentally unrescuable in its current state, plagued as it is by IP editors with obvious conflicts of interest. Does no-one else see a problem with this obvious, blatant advertising and the myriad of single purpose accounts - notably {{ip|96.244.246.136}} - that seem to proliferate around the article and associated AfDs? ] (]) 04:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC) *'''Speedy delete''' G11. Blatant advertising. Sentences such as ''"Few, if any, are able to boost the record Critzos accumulated as well as the time span during which he dominated."'' and ''"His technical ability was matched by few, if any"'' serve as a concrete foundation of my belief that this article is fundamentally unrescuable in its current state, plagued as it is by IP editors with obvious conflicts of interest. Does no-one else see a problem with this obvious, blatant advertising and the myriad of single purpose accounts - notably {{ip|96.244.246.136}} - that seem to proliferate around the article and associated AfDs? ] (]) 04:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
*:Sure, it's a problem, but it's a content problem, not an article-existence problem. Deletion isn't a way to address content issues. &mdash;] (]) 05:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC) *:Sure, it's a problem, but it's a content problem, not an article-existence problem. Deletion isn't a way to address content issues. &mdash;] (]) 05:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Deletion is the correct way to address content issues like this one - when it's quite obviously a G11 candidate. If I thought it was rescuable, believe me I'd rescue it! ] (]) 14:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC) :::Deletion is the correct way to address content issues like this one - when it's quite obviously a G11 candidate. If I thought it was rescuable, believe me I'd rescue it! ] (]) 14:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I thought I'd done a halfway creditable job at that, really. Check the recent page history, see what you think. &mdash;] (]) 15:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC) ::::I thought I'd done a halfway creditable job at that, really. Check the recent page history, see what you think. &mdash;] (]) 15:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Alright - the tone needs a bit of work there, but well done on cleaning it; you've swayed me! ] (]) 15:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC) :::::Alright - the tone needs a bit of work there, but well done on cleaning it; you've swayed me! ] (]) 15:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
*<s>'''Speedy delete''' as a ] of http://www.lacancha.com/johncritzos.html.</s> ] (]) 07:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC) *'''Speedy delete''' as a ] of http://www.lacancha.com/johncritzos.html.</s> ] (]) 07:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:*Last sentence ''source wikipedia''. We didn't copy them they copied us. --] (]) 13:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC) :*Last sentence ''source wikipedia''. We didn't copy them they copied us. --] (]) 13:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
::*Sorry, I usually check for those things. ] (]) 17:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC) ::*Sorry, I usually check for those things. ] (]) 17:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
*'''SPEEDY DELETE''' - hostname, ip sign in, user overlap. In non technical terms, as other users state, there are single purpose account and sock puppetry issues. Notice reformatting. Will report users. Absolutely nothing notable here. Pure narcissism. G11. ] (]) 22:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

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John Critzos II

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Non notable subject. No indication of importance. Vanity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mephisto Panic (talk • contribs) 14:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC) This template must be substituted.

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep This article was just up for AfD a few months ago (I believe no consensus was reached), although that discussion seems to have been overwritten by this one. There seem to be enough independent sources to support notability. Papaursa (talk) 22:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. A lot of the sources are not really helpful, lacking significant coverage and credibility as reliable sources. The usna.edu and dcmilitary.com cites seem to scrape by the GNG between them, though. —chaos5023 (talk) 03:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete G11. Blatant advertising. Sentences such as "Few, if any, are able to boost the record Critzos accumulated as well as the time span during which he dominated." and "His technical ability was matched by few, if any" serve as a concrete foundation of my belief that this article is fundamentally unrescuable in its current state, plagued as it is by IP editors with obvious conflicts of interest. Does no-one else see a problem with this obvious, blatant advertising and the myriad of single purpose accounts - notably 96.244.246.136 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) - that seem to proliferate around the article and associated AfDs? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 04:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
    Sure, it's a problem, but it's a content problem, not an article-existence problem. Deletion isn't a way to address content issues. —chaos5023 (talk) 05:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Deletion is the correct way to address content issues like this one - when it's quite obviously a G11 candidate. If I thought it was rescuable, believe me I'd rescue it! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 14:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I thought I'd done a halfway creditable job at that, really. Check the recent page history, see what you think. —chaos5023 (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Alright - the tone needs a bit of work there, but well done on cleaning it; you've swayed me! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
  • SPEEDY DELETE - hostname, ip sign in, user overlap. In non technical terms, as other users state, there are single purpose account and sock puppetry issues. Notice reformatting. Will report users. Absolutely nothing notable here. Pure narcissism. G11. Formidable.heart (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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