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{{/row|C=Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry|R=A|E=22036|S=2005-08-08|T=Mostly good, if somewhat terse, answers on the general questions. Dodged GQ7, I feel. I agree with his view of strict/lenient. IQ 6 seemed kind of marshmallowy... Missed the mark on IQ 10... I think the IP is asking about the seriousness of the name (as well as it being a bit chauvinistic...) As for my questions: muffed 1C... it took way too much work to get a straight answer on 2b... arbs should not be evasive. That the answer was good is a mitigating factor, but still. Also evaded 2c. Blew off 3, 4, most of 5, most of 6, most of 7. Missed the mark on 10. All in all, this adds up to an oppose.<br />Note: has committed to answer some (but not necessarily all) of my questions.|V=-}} | {{/row|C=Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry|R=A|E=22036|S=2005-08-08|T=Mostly good, if somewhat terse, answers on the general questions. Dodged GQ7, I feel. I agree with his view of strict/lenient. IQ 6 seemed kind of marshmallowy... Missed the mark on IQ 10... I think the IP is asking about the seriousness of the name (as well as it being a bit chauvinistic...) As for my questions: muffed 1C... it took way too much work to get a straight answer on 2b... arbs should not be evasive. That the answer was good is a mitigating factor, but still. Also evaded 2c. Blew off 3, 4, most of 5, most of 6, most of 7. Missed the mark on 10. All in all, this adds up to an oppose.<br />Note: has committed to answer some (but not necessarily all) of my questions.|V=-}} | ||
{{/row|C=David_Fuchs|R=A|E=26502|S=2005-10-15|T=This is a tough one for me... I have mixed feelings. I liked the answer to individual Q #2 but did not at all like the answer to IQ #5... (Note, SirFozzie, who I support, spoke/voted against that motion IIRC) NW's IQ#6 gave some good views into thinking. Mostly like his answers to my questions, although I found a few somewhat terse. I'm thinking support although I have to confess it's lukewarm. <br />Note: has answered my questions|V=+}} | {{/row|C=David_Fuchs|R=A|E=26502|S=2005-10-15|T=This is a tough one for me... I have mixed feelings. I liked the answer to individual Q #2 but did not at all like the answer to IQ #5... (Note, SirFozzie, who I support, spoke/voted against that motion IIRC) NW's IQ#6 gave some good views into thinking. Mostly like his answers to my questions, although I found a few somewhat terse. I'm thinking support although I have to confess it's lukewarm. <br />Note: has answered my questions|V=+}} | ||
{{/row|C=Elen_of_the_Roads|R=A|E=7892|S=2008-05-11|T=Wow. I was going to go through the answers to the generals and pick stuff apart and I'm not finding anything. I am very impressed with the depth of thought and analysis about this weird beast called ArbCom (not a court, not a legislative body, not a mediation team, not a police force but has aspects of all). Really has head screwed on right, and has real world experience that seems like it would help a lot (more than lawyerly experience, even) The answers to GQ3, GQ5, IQ5 and IQ7 in particular stood out as exceedingly well analyzed. Good answers in general to my questions. Strong support. My only concern is that the candidacy may be a bit premature. But I've reviewed the arguments against and in this case do not find them compelling. <br />Note: has answered my questions|V=++}} | |||
{{/row|C=Elen_of_the_Roads|R=A|E=7892|S=2008-05-11|T=not yet reviewed but favorably disposed based on what I have seen so far. May be a bit premature. <br />Note: working way through my questions|V=?}} | |||
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{{/row|C=FT2|R=A,EFM|E=39260|S=2004-07-11|T=Just too much drama. Too many botched things, too many backroom conversations. I think having FT2 on the functionaries list where he can give advice, and spot nits in drafts, and generally act in an advisory capacity is the right role for him. But not as an Arbitrator. Really I don't think FT2 can successfully discharge obligations given controversy surrounding him. This hurts because I find him an engaging conversationalist and expect I'd enjoy having a beer or two with him. But I just don't trust him to do the right thing at the right pace any more.<br />Note: working way through my questions, but so far has answered none.|V=-}} | ||
{{/row|C=Georgewilliamherbert|R=A,EFM|E=13211|S=2005-07-31|T= |
{{/row|C=Georgewilliamherbert|R=A,EFM|E=13211|S=2005-07-31|T=Still reserving final judgment, but preliminary musings are not favorable. This may be colored by some previous interactions with him where I felt he was on the wrong side of the issue and (naturally) I wasn't. Too process wonky, tendency to throw the book on scant evidence, and tendency to not back down unless you take him to AN/I and sometimes not even then. On the questions: GQ7 is NOT a hard question. Not all that impressed with answers in general. <br />Note: working way through my questions but so far has answered very few.|V=?}} | ||
{{/row|C=GiacomoReturned|R=none|E=6827|S=2009-05-26|T=not yet reviewed, but likely support given that I wished he was running<br />Note: working way through my questions|V=+}} | {{/row|C=GiacomoReturned|R=none|E=6827|S=2009-05-26|T=not yet reviewed, but likely support given that I wished he was running<br />Note: working way through my questions|V=+}} | ||
{{/row|C=Harej|R=A|E=15497|S=2004-11-26|T=He may be young but he has a good head on his shoulders. Like his approach but reserving judgement <br />Note: working way through my questions|V=?}} | {{/row|C=Harej|R=A|E=15497|S=2004-11-26|T=He may be young but he has a good head on his shoulders. Like his approach but reserving judgement <br />Note: working way through my questions|V=?}} | ||
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{{/row|C=N419BH|R=R,Rv|E=6280|S=2009-01-15|T=Not fully reviewed. Now won't need to... but this candidate deserves full marks for standing aside when the field filled out. As with HJ, I think that's a sign of maturity. Perhaps next year or the year after?<br />Note: Answered most/all of my questions. I have to confess I'm not totally impressed with some of the answers, they don't show enough thought... but perhaps with time will come depth.|V=?}} | {{/row|C=N419BH|R=R,Rv|E=6280|S=2009-01-15|T=Not fully reviewed. Now won't need to... but this candidate deserves full marks for standing aside when the field filled out. As with HJ, I think that's a sign of maturity. Perhaps next year or the year after?<br />Note: Answered most/all of my questions. I have to confess I'm not totally impressed with some of the answers, they don't show enough thought... but perhaps with time will come depth.|V=?}} | ||
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This page reflects my own personal opinions and should not be used for any other purpose than to familiarize yourself with my opinions. I strongly urge you to examine the candidates yourself before voting. They deserve it even if you don't agree with them. |
Introduction
Herewith my thoughts on the 2010 ArbComm elections. I am now in the process of evaluating all candidates. If you have comments you are welcome to make them on either the talk page for this page, or on my main talk page. You should do your own research, don't go by what I think, but in case you were wondering what I thought, there you are.
This was generated and there may be some small bugs in the edit count link for people with spaces in their names, you'll have to fix them yourself.
Note: If you want to make one of these for yourself you're welcome to crib from this. I used a row template to help out. Technical issues with it should be raised on its talk page: User talk:Lar/ACE2010/row.
The Election and the process
Some thoughts on the overall election process, somewhat random.
- First, (and I realize this may not be the populist view) I thought last year's (2009) arbcom was on balance the best one we've had yet. The 2010 arbcom continued much of that. I think there's one particular case they botched, and botched badly, during the course of it, but on balance they did pretty good if not quite up to 2009's high bar. I think a lot of the credit for that goes to the increased structure and repeatability of processes that the committee has instituted. Just making sure that mail doesn't get lost, publishing a suggested agenda and time line, and other mundane things ... these all go a long way to making the committee and its proceedings "fairer". Misplaced Pages isn't intended to be fair, but making things fair when it doesn't stand in the way of doing the project is goodness. It helps morale and improves editor retention. So candidates that are likely to pick up where others left off are likely to get more favorable reviews from me, all else being equal, than those who think we can just wing it.
- Second, I remain convinced that BLPs are the single biggest problem facing the project and I intend to grade candidates on how I perceive their views on BLPs. ArbCom may not be able to directly mandate policy but I expect it to firmly speak out about the BLP problem and whenever it's a factor in the case, ensure that the findings do not punish those who work hard to alleviate it or reward those who do not. My questions from last year remain germane and I intend to ask them again (a modified version of them). (this is a repeat, verbatim of last year's point)
- Third, I think we are seeing a growing problem with generally unhelpful behavior from long time contributors. This manifests itself in things like factions, factionalism, vested contributor behavior, ownership, shooting the messenger and "untouchable" long term editors who have vociferous defense choruses.
On the choices
- First... these are my choices. Yours should be based on your own mind, but if I'm able to help, great. Also, although there are N slots, my final votes may support more, or less, than N people. If I support them, it means I'd be happy to see them on. So what's the difference between a support and a strong support or an oppose or a strong oppose? Just that the strongs are... well... more strongly felt, and I'd be more likely to actively try to sway you to agree with me, if we happened to meet over beers or whatever. But do as you like. The fate of the free world probably does NOT depend on this outcome.
- Next: If you want to discuss or debate my choices with me, I'd be happy to do so, use the talk page of this page: User talk:Lar/ACE2010. This is in my userspace, and while all pages belong to the community, that means that the way I do things (for example, if you post it, it's staying... you can line it out but not edit it away once you said it) goes unless you successfully MFD this page. See the top of my talk page for that.
See also
- Main page: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010
- Candidate Statements page: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Candidates
- What I did for the 2006 election: User:Lar/ArbComm2006
- What I did for the 2008 election: User:Lar/ACE2008
- What I did for the 2009 election: User:Lar/ACE2009
- My questions: User:Lar/ACE2010/Questions ... taken from last year and the year before that and modified to fit changes in circumstance
The tables
Currently Running
This analysis is preliminary. When it isn't I'll say so.
User/Talk/Contribs | Statement and details |
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Since | My thoughts | Intended vote |
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Balloonman • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
none | 22656 | 2006-04-01 | A bit put off by his/her role in multiple RfA nominations (where it seemed there was an implication of "it's my nom so you know it's quality checked")... in fact this role I think contributed in a minor way to the very problem with RfA that he decries in General Q#4. Found his answers rather short and not very introspective. Answer to GQ#7 criticising the BLP motion completely off... it puts into question his answer to Individual Q#1... I am not sure I do trust him to be completely impartial. IQ 2b) (a copy of my own #2b... not sure what happened there) shows lack of thought, I can easily conceive of a candidate for US Representative that we would consider not notable. We had a candidate from the Natural Law Party in my district and I'm not sure they got any votes at all. Probably not notable. Other parts good.... IQ 3b is a pretty poor read of what really happened, policy was on the side of those deleting the articles and distorting the record that way might not really be a good approach. this may be a sticking point for me on this candidate. I'm afraid this is a deal breaker resulting in an oppose for me. It's one thing to say you think it wasn't handled well, but to misread policy that way? No. I almost stopped reading there but went on. Some good answers to 6 and 7 but the answer to 8 showed lack of understanding of the seriousness of the problem I'm referring to. Note: completed my questions. |
Oppose
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Casliber • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A, (ex)Arb | 76277 | 2006-05-05 | Not yet fully reviewed but I have concerns. Other folk have raised concerns about the Law incident but that's not my biggest concern. Rather, I have concerns at how much Casliber tends to shield problematic editors and how he seems to be (radically?) inclusionist, so far as to overlook disruptive behavior by editors who are also inclusionist. Also tends to be dismissive of discussion on his talk page which is not a good sign. Note: Gave thorough answers to my questions. Interesting contrasts with previous years. |
Abstain
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Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 22036 | 2005-08-08 | Mostly good, if somewhat terse, answers on the general questions. Dodged GQ7, I feel. I agree with his view of strict/lenient. IQ 6 seemed kind of marshmallowy... Missed the mark on IQ 10... I think the IP is asking about the seriousness of the name (as well as it being a bit chauvinistic...) As for my questions: muffed 1C... it took way too much work to get a straight answer on 2b... arbs should not be evasive. That the answer was good is a mitigating factor, but still. Also evaded 2c. Blew off 3, 4, most of 5, most of 6, most of 7. Missed the mark on 10. All in all, this adds up to an oppose. Note: has committed to answer some (but not necessarily all) of my questions. |
Oppose
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David_Fuchs • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 26502 | 2005-10-15 | This is a tough one for me... I have mixed feelings. I liked the answer to individual Q #2 but did not at all like the answer to IQ #5... (Note, SirFozzie, who I support, spoke/voted against that motion IIRC) NW's IQ#6 gave some good views into thinking. Mostly like his answers to my questions, although I found a few somewhat terse. I'm thinking support although I have to confess it's lukewarm. Note: has answered my questions |
Support
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Elen_of_the_Roads • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
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A | 7892 | 2008-05-11 | Wow. I was going to go through the answers to the generals and pick stuff apart and I'm not finding anything. I am very impressed with the depth of thought and analysis about this weird beast called ArbCom (not a court, not a legislative body, not a mediation team, not a police force but has aspects of all). Really has head screwed on right, and has real world experience that seems like it would help a lot (more than lawyerly experience, even) The answers to GQ3, GQ5, IQ5 and IQ7 in particular stood out as exceedingly well analyzed. Good answers in general to my questions. Strong support. My only concern is that the candidacy may be a bit premature. But I've reviewed the arguments against and in this case do not find them compelling. Note: has answered my questions |
Strong support
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FT2 • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,EFM | 39260 | 2004-07-11 | Just too much drama. Too many botched things, too many backroom conversations. I think having FT2 on the functionaries list where he can give advice, and spot nits in drafts, and generally act in an advisory capacity is the right role for him. But not as an Arbitrator. Really I don't think FT2 can successfully discharge obligations given controversy surrounding him. This hurts because I find him an engaging conversationalist and expect I'd enjoy having a beer or two with him. But I just don't trust him to do the right thing at the right pace any more. Note: working way through my questions, but so far has answered none. |
Oppose
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Georgewilliamherbert • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,EFM | 13211 | 2005-07-31 | Still reserving final judgment, but preliminary musings are not favorable. This may be colored by some previous interactions with him where I felt he was on the wrong side of the issue and (naturally) I wasn't. Too process wonky, tendency to throw the book on scant evidence, and tendency to not back down unless you take him to AN/I and sometimes not even then. On the questions: GQ7 is NOT a hard question. Not all that impressed with answers in general. Note: working way through my questions but so far has answered very few. |
Undecided
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GiacomoReturned • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
none | 6827 | 2009-05-26 | not yet reviewed, but likely support given that I wished he was running Note: working way through my questions |
Support
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Harej • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 15497 | 2004-11-26 | He may be young but he has a good head on his shoulders. Like his approach but reserving judgement Note: working way through my questions |
Undecided
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Iridescent • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 146284 | 2006-02-15 | not yet reviewed, but preliminary musings are good. Had the guts to speak frankly about problems with ArbCom in the past. Note: working way through my questions |
Undecided
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Jclemens • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 26102 | 2006-08-24 | not yet reviewed Note: working way through my questions |
Undecided
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John_Vandenberg • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,C,O, (ex)Arb | 46836 | 2004-09-05 | not yet reviewed but preliminary musings are concerned about sticktoitiveness... also about pragmatic vs. idealistic approach. Note: working way through my questions |
Undecided
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Loosmark • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
Rv | 8186 | 2007-12-26 | not yet reviewed but I have concerns about some points expressed. Not sure this is a serious candidate. I agree with Heimstern, topic bans are not good. Has there been reform since then? Note: working way through my questions |
Undecided
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Newyorkbrad • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,C,O, Arb | 25894 | 2006-02-25 | not yet reviewed completely but I am very concerned by NYB's tendency to be overly lenient. The debacle of a month's delay during the CC case is not a positive factor either. NYB should have handed his duties off instead of letting things drag, and then when the proposed decision was finally issued, backing away from hard choices. This will be a hard decision. NYB is 100% correct about the importance of the BLP problem. I'm just not convinced he has the mettle to come to grips with the troublemakers.... this highlights the problem nicely. Note: working way through my questions. |
Oppose
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Off2riorob • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
Rv | 43780 | 2008-12-04 | I'm not sure this is a serious candidate. If this candidate isn't running on a lark, they are confused about what makes a good arbitrator. Their positions are nebulous and when questioned, they give platitudes in response rather than thoughtful answers. Sorry, not at this time. Fortunately I don't think my strong oppose will be needed, this candidate's chances are slim. Note: seems to be done, but omitted answers to some, to the point where others repeated the questions. |
Strong Oppose
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PhilKnight • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 62274 | 2006-07-17 | I'm not sure this is a serious candidate. Gave lightweight answers to the generic (softball) questions and although one of the earliest candidates, has only given 1 sentence answers to 2 of my questions, which answers show little thought. Not very impressed with this candidate, at this point, although I could change my view if warranted. Note: has committed to answer some (but not necessarily all) of my questions. |
Oppose
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Sandstein • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A | 41849 | 2005-07-31 | not yet reviewed Note: Has declared that he will not be answering my questions. Given that the generic questions are sadly deficient in the areas mine touch on (BLPs, flagged revisions, outing, stalking, vested contributors, factionalism, etc), I will have a hard time determining where Sandstein stands on matters of importance, so I will have no choice but to oppose, reluctantly. I suspect I may not be alone in that view. Badgering everyone about it didn't help. |
Oppose
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Shell_Kinney • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,C,O, Arb | 28921 | 2005-06-10 | not yet completely reviewed. I'm still undecided. I think Shell means well but I have concerns about her views on factionalism, as well as on her sense of proportion. The recent talk page exchanges, and the answers given about them are starting t make me trend unfavorable. Could be swayed. Note: Answered my questions thoughtfully and thoroughly. Interesting to compare answers to previous years. |
Oppose
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SirFozzie • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,C,O, Arb | 8873 | 2006-02-06 | Likely Strong support. SirFozzie has made hard choices and is a firm voice against letting disruptive editors get away with too much. If I had one criticism it is that he recuses too readily. Note: has answered my questions thoughtfully and thoroughly, and gave answers that are similar to his answers last year and the year before. |
Strong support
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Stephen_Bain • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A, (ex)Arb | 12024 | 2004-10-08 | Concerned about inactivity. Concerned about unresponsiveness. Was sometimes good (if slow) when he was active. However, others have raised concerns about unresponsiveness that impacts actual cases and the historical record. As others point out, seems to have come back just to get a seat. At this point barring some major change I'm seeing this candidacy as unfavorable with me all in all. Could be swayed but I doubt it. Note: has not yet committed to answering my questions, more than a day and a half after I posted the question... he eventually did post the questions and answered them himself but he never actually posted an answer to my message on his talk, even after I asked a followup. Good communication is important, and this ties in with the unresponsiveness issue. |
Oppose
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Xeno • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
A,B | 82632 | 2006-07-14 | not yet reviewed. I like tendency not to take a lot of BS. Note: working way through my questions |
Undecided |
Comments on the entire field:
- Meh. Is this the best we got? Some good candidates to be sure but on the whole a rather weak field. But can you blame anyone for choosing not to stand? ++Lar: t/c 18:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
People I wish were running
Giano... now IS running- Scott MacDonald
- Mackenson
Withdrawn
User/Talk/Contribs | Statement and details |
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HJ_Mitchell • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
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A | 39817 | 2009-03-30 | not fully reviewed. Now won't need to... but this candidate deserves full marks for standing aside when the field filled out. I think that's a sign of maturity. Perhaps next year? Note: Did take a good cut at my questions, with some thorough and well spoken answers. |
Undecided
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N419BH • talk • contribs • logs • block log • editcount • rights |
statement • stmt. talk |
R,Rv | 6280 | 2009-01-15 | Not fully reviewed. Now won't need to... but this candidate deserves full marks for standing aside when the field filled out. As with HJ, I think that's a sign of maturity. Perhaps next year or the year after? Note: Answered most/all of my questions. I have to confess I'm not totally impressed with some of the answers, they don't show enough thought... but perhaps with time will come depth. |
Undecided |
Notes
- Rights and edits are as of 15 Nov noonish Pacific time (18:00 ish UTC) except for any candidates that entered after that. These include
- PhilKnight (later 15 Nov)
- Newyorkbrad (16 Nov)
- Chase_me_ladies,_I'm_the_Cavalry (17 Nov)
- Casliber, David Fuchs (19 Nov)
- Elen_of_the_Roads, N419BH, Shell Kinney (20 Nov)
- Jclemens, Xeno, HJ Mitchell, Sandstein (22 Nov)
- Giano, Iridescent, Loosmark, FT2, GWH (23 Nov)
- Positions
- Arb=Current Arbitrator Ex Arb=Former Arbitrator
- Rights
- A=Admin B='crat
- C=Checkuser O=Oversighter (requires identification to WMF)
- S=Steward (requires identification to WMF, no other non en:wp rights will be shown)
- IPBE=IP Block Exempt EFM=Edit Filter Manager R=Rollbacker Rv=Reviewer (and not an admin)
Postscript
Thanks for reading this far, hope it was of some help to you…. Your mileage may vary… think for yourself! Comments welcomed (Use the talk page) but please remember WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Thanks!
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