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Nomination of DNA Codon Table for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article DNA Codon Table, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DNA Codon Table until a concensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Tagishsimon (talk) 19:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Greetings

Hi Bob,

Sorry to see your first article was nominated for deletion, which is nothing to feel bad about – literally the majority of new articles do end up deleted. I've noticed many of Misplaced Pages's articles on molecular biology have room for improvement, so I think you'll find plenty to do here. I've left a couple of comments at Talk:Genetic code that might interest you. You might be interested in joining WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology if you haven't already.

Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter 12:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Misplaced Pages pages that have open discussion, you must sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

順風相送

This is easy. The edit which disturbed your inline citation note was simply wrong here; and my error is corrected here. I am glad for the opportunity to explain. The edit summary notes will help to clarify.

Perhaps I should have posted a note on your talk page as soon as I noticed this error? --Tenmei (talk) 01:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

No, that's fine. Lately, some editors have been relentlessly sabotaging the contents I added/changed in that page. As a result, I mistook this as just another instance of vandalism. Bobthefish2 (talk) 02:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at Senkaku Islands dispute, you may be blocked from editing. (diff) ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 03:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't care about your baseless warnings. Please refrain from sending me another message. Thanks. Bobthefish2 (talk) 04:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that you have posted comments to the page User_talk:San9663 in a language other than English. When on the English-language Misplaced Pages, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. Also, be civil. We do not permit personal attacks in any language. Thank you.  Chzz  ►  05:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

The word 蘿蔔頭 means "Turnip head" a derogatory term for Japanese people.Google translation ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

See this and this. Oda Mari (talk) 09:52, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Misplaced Pages's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Oda Mari (talk) 07:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Judging from your previous behaviour, I find it difficult to take your advice seriously. I filed a complaint and notified others who suffered from the same issue. It was a request for an admin judgement and not a consensus. If a community discussion is to take place, it will be on a separate page.

Also, if you are so against partisanship, then you wouldn't be engaging in that as well. Bobthefish2 (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I think we have a strong case against phoenix666 based on him tendentious editing (WP:TE). STSC (talk) 09:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, it appears that the admin I asked doesn't want to deal with edit-wars. So I guess we may have to find a different means of filing this complaint. Bobthefish2 (talk) 11:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I knew phoenix666 would revert my edit, and he fell into my trap so that the administrators would notice how evil he is. STSC (talk) 17:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

He's not evil... just incredibly stubborn and unrelenting. Even though the admins think he hasn't done enough to deserve a ban, I do hope this will serve as a warning for certain editors. At the same time, the lack of condemnation of his actions from traditionally critical editors such as Oda Mari, Qwyxian, and John Smith does imply objectivity may only go so far among the pro-Japanese bloc. However, this doesn't mean the rest of us should not exercise objectivity in our edits and opinions (i.e. don't post personal essay, blog posts, etc as references). Otherwise, you will find yourself losing the moral high ground. Bobthefish2 (talk) 19:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

You're too kind on them; I know how this organised gang of fanatics operates but I just don't have the time and energy to combat those bullies. As to Kiyoshi's quote, he was a very well-known Japanese historian and his finding on Diaoyutai is certainly not a personal essay or blog post; I'm actually starting an article about him. STSC (talk) 21:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

If Kiyoshi is a good source, then that's very good.

As for those guys, they have been known to do similar things in the past. The best way of dealing with them is to make sure they are the only ones doing the things you accuse them of doing. However, it seems they aren't as active anymore after the page was locked, which is good. Bobthefish2 (talk) 05:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Senkaku Islands dispute. Thank you. —Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Kiyoshi Inoue

Please give some thought to my responses to the edits of STSC and San9663 at Talk:Senkaku Islands#Kiyoshi Inoue. I hope you construe my comments as thoughtful, practical, and forward-looking. --Tenmei (talk) 07:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

You should post a 'diff' link next time, as I had to guess which were your additions. It may help if some Japanese users rent a copy of the book from a local library to see if it make sense at all. Bobthefish2 (talk) 09:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Tolstoy

In part, this is a follow-up to the problems you are helping to resolve at Senkaku Islands and Senkaku Islands dispute.

I wonder if you have previously stumbled across this quote?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him. -- Leo Tolstoy, 1994

For me, this concept has resonance in a variety of Misplaced Pages settings. These sentences were introduced to me by someone interested in Metonymy and WP:Polling is not a substitute for discussion ≠ WP:Straw poll. Although I still haven't resolved what I think about the context, I do come back again and again to Tolstoy's words.

Perhaps these words might be usefully stored in the back of your mind? --Tenmei (talk) 15:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

This is nothing grand to ponder about - Open-mindedness is a norm of the Western world. Bobthefish2 (talk) 09:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Re:

What on earth are you talking about? I haven't even touched an armpit hair of User:Tenmei. The link you posted was in regards to User:HighSpeed-X, and User:HighSpeed-X only. If you actually paid attention to what I wrote, the **** ********* was spamming my interwiki talkpages. And yes, I still am pretty mad about it. And I have a right to be upset when an arrogant **** keeps spamming my Chinese, Japanese and Russian Misplaced Pages user talkpages, even after repeatedly telling them to back the **** off. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 11:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I replied in your talk page. Throwing a rage at him accomplishes nothing. If he is that determined to be a pest, then a few angry comments wouldn't stop him. Bobthefish2 (talk) 13:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

so its not okay to criticize people for spouting ethnic hatred?

you seem to approve of User:Arilang1234's anti manchu edits, and personal attacks on living people, which break wikipedia policy regarding racism and etiquette, you don't seem to comprehend what exactly Arilang1234 has added to the Boxer Rebellion article

I'd advise to look at earlier threats at ANI in which Arilang1234 was warned for his vandalism on the Boxer Rebellion articleagain he was reported for his "bizarre" and "incoherent" edits

Quoted directly from User:Arilang1234- " when it comes to the subject of history, we need to be more firm towards lies and cheats. Do you follow internet news Benj? There is this guy by the name of 阎#年, he is 72 yrs old yet was slapped in the face in public! Because he shamelessly advocate Manchus rule on CCTV. If I happen to be there, I personally will throw some rotten eggs on his face.

"Old Chinese communist education history text books blamed the western power on everything, is just like putting the horse behind the cart. Yes, western powers were evil, we all know that, but what about Manchus, have anyone really really have a closer examination and analysis on Manchus, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST 300 YEARS? Why didn't they adopt modern western weapons(or at least buy them, if they cannot manufacture them), Why did they stick to bows and arrows when fast loading rifles(Wincester) could be bought in international markets, instead they spend massive amounts of silver bars on garden building. My conclusion is the Manchus deserved every battle field defeats they got in the 2 opium wars"Дунгане (talk) 03:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Arilang1234 use wikipedia to advance ethnic hatred against non han chinese races- accusing them of being savage and "Barbarian".

Also, Arilang displays extremely hateful and uncivil language toward manchus in his sandbox intro

lets take a look at Arilang1234's earliest edits on wikipedia- quote directly from what Arilang added to the article in 2008- "The Boxers were complete salvages and barbarians,were stupid to the extreme." he and some hired Mongols fought off a group of barbaric attacking Boxers with wooden sticks - Manchu tribal rulers chose to remain ignorant and barbaric

In addition, Arilang1234 has frequently insulted dead people because of their ethnicity, calling Qianlong Emperor a outdated,backward barbaric chieftain, just because he was a Manchu.

Arilang thinks its okay to say barbaric Manchus, which is clear racism against Manchus.

Arilang also thinks wikipedia is a platform to accuse Manchus specifically of perputrating atrocities.

arilang seems to think that since the title only contains the words "boxer rebellion", that the article should only be about Boxers, and that massive sections should be deleted because they don't contain the word "boxer".Дунгане (talk) 16:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I have not said anything that resembled an endorsement of User:Arilang's edits. In fact, I've read only a small part of your disputes with him. However, this doesn't affect the validity of my opinions because they were directed at specific instances of complaints, which numerous editors (including myself) have dismissed as unnecessary.

Since you insist that your complaints are valid, I took some time to evaluate some of the issues you've brought up.

User:Arilang1234 use wikipedia to advance ethnic hatred against non han chinese races- accusing them of being savage and "Barbarian".

The issue dealing with 阎崇年 is much more complicated. He published a book with very controversial views about the Manchus and the Hans. Since you don't seem to be familiar with Chinese history, I'd recommend you to read up on what 阎崇年 said and the relevant background information about the Qing and Ming dynasties. Suffice to say, the Han and all other racial minorities (including the Hui) suffered greatly under Qing rule. It was also a time when cultural identities of non-Manchus were strictly suppressed. Since the mismanagement and brutality of the Manchus was a direct reason for China to suffer a century-long period of bloodshed and poverty, it is not necessarily ridiculous to harbour a great deal of resentment towards 阎崇年's opinions.

'In addition, Arilang1234 has frequently insulted dead people because of their ethnicity, calling Qianlong Emperor a outdated,backward barbaric chieftain, just because he was a Manchu.'

The original quote did not link Qianlong's short-comings with his racial identity. I agree that Qianlong and many of the Qing emperors are intellectually-backward rulers. But so were/are Mao or George Bush. This has nothing to do with race.

'Arilang thinks its okay to say barbaric Manchus, which is clear racism against Manchus.'

The comment is somewhat lacking in tact, but it is also not invalid. The Manchus had committed large scale massacres when they conquered China. Would you call someone a racist if a Jew tells you "the barbaric German nazi's were evil people who committed massacres on us"?

My verdict on the complaints I spent time to evaluate is that they are ignorant and ignorable. Please refrain from making these childish allegations in the future. Bobthefish2 (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I have created an article, Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty). which is sourced extensively, and documents how the Ming dynasty commited mass genocide and castration of the Miao, Yao, and Bo peoples, but i do not see Miao editors coming onto wiki and calling us barbaric.Дунгане (talk) 21:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

So? If they come in and say the "Han Chinese" had committed barbaric atrocities against the Miao, Yao, and Bo people during Ming dynasty, I don't think there's a problem with that. Bobthefish2 (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Senkaku Islands

Hi Bobthefish2, thank you for your message. I support your endeavours and I still believe that the article should reside at the English name, with the Japanese and Chinese names prominently listed at the start. I do not have the time these days to be committed to the process like I would have a couple of years ago, however I will give my input where I can. All the best with your efforts. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I have briefly skimmed User:Qwyrxian/Senkaku name RfC draft and also your page. My first thought is that the name "Pinnacle Islands" should not be represented only as an archaic term with an imprecise meaning. It is this, but in addition it is also emerging as a neutral term with a precise definition (being equivalent to Senkaku/Diaoyu) in contemporary academic literature. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:49, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings about Pinnacle Islands. While others have cited the Liancourt Rocks as a precedent, I am not familiar with the edit history of that page and I am not sure if I want to get into that mess. My inclination is to have the name changed to Senkaku/Diaoyu or Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands. While it is not recommended by Misplaced Pages guidelines, I believe this case is unique enough to make it a suitable alternative as opposed to simply favouring one name over another. Bobthefish2 (talk) 16:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the guideline only says it is less preferred, the reason is mainly people start to argue about ordering. But there are solutions, e.g. if the title is 1-2, the in content can be 2-1, etc. Or one can again rely on google scholar search.San9663 (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I think. What some people refuse to acknowledge is that having a title as 1-2 or 2-1 is better than simply having 1 or 2 as title even though none are perfect solutions. Bobthefish2 (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice of you to defend vandals