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Nomination of Itamar attack for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Itamar attack is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Itamar attack until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Strikerforce (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

The article has been nominated for a mention in the ITN section.--BabbaQ (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, a number of your recent file uploads, such as File:Itamar attack 11.jpg, have been missing information regarding their copyright status. Please note that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and that the copyright status of all media files uploaded to Misplaced Pages must be verifiable by others. If you have questions regarding copyright on Misplaced Pages, they can be raised at the copyright question page. Thank you. Eeekster (talk) 02:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know the technical copyright status of the images. What I know is that the individuals who released the images onto the internet gave full permission to reproduce them, according to a public statement by a public figure. I recorded the details on the upload form. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 02:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I have deleted the images in the interests of the victims' dignity. Shame on you for uploading them - it was a gross failure of judgment on your part. -- Y not? 04:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not censored, and in any case the family of the victims released the images and gave full permission to reproduce them. (Did you not read the recorded information, or do you presume that your personal opinion regarding the victims' dignity trumps that of their family?) Please restore the images immediately, in accordance with the stated positions of user:cptnono, user:NortyNort and me, and please refrain in the future from unilaterally deleting images for reasons that do not accord with Wikpedia policy. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 09:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Jalapenos do exist, uploading images to wikipedia is a complicated process. In order the images to be uploaded they should be released with a free license, and it should be proven. The best way of doing this is uploading the images to flickr, where it is easy to specify the license or, the copyright holders of the images should email to permissions on Commons to confirm the release of the images. If you have contact with the copyright holder, please email them and explain how to proceed. Please ask me questions, if you need some help. Could you please provide the link to the image you uploaded? I'd like to take a look what it says about the license. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Mbz1. The info is all on the talk page of Itamar attack. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK

Hi. I've nominated Itamar attack, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Misplaced Pages:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. BabbaQ (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC) --BabbaQ (talk) 11:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

AE case

. Gatoclass (talk) 12:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyright

In this edit you've lifted content word-for-word from this source. The phrases "calling it despicable, immoral and inhuman", "where mosques used sermons pre-approved and disseminated by the government", and "called for a joint Israeli-Palestinian-American committee to look into claims of incitement in Palestinian schools" are all copy-pastes. I've no objections if you want to re-write the content (I've cut it down considerably in the meantime), but please take care to put things in your own words. --Mkativerata (talk) 10:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Even if your insinuation of copyright violation weren't ludicrous, it still wouldn't explain how your removal of most of the content, as opposed to changing the wording, could be considered good for the article. Please self-revert your deletion, and, in the future, try to gain consensus for your contentious edits through civil participation on the article's talk page and not by tossing around empty accusations. Best, Jalapenos do exist (talk) 14:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Our copyright policy supports the immediate removal of copyright violations. There is no obligation to re-write the material. This seems to be a recurring issue with your edits (see another removal here). You can continue with the faux outrage all you like, but the fact is that you're lifting the work of others and that's one of the fastest ways to a block on this project. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement warning: Arab-Israeli conflict

Hello, as a result of the recent request for arbitration enforcement concerning you, in view of Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, I am warning you not to misrepresent sources when contributing content to Misplaced Pages. Articles must represent what the cited sources say, not what you believe what the sources mean. See, in particular, WP:V and WP:NOR. Thanks,  Sandstein  16:35, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you be more specific as to what I wrote that you believe misrepresented a source? That was never made clear, and if I made a mistake I want to know what it was so I can make sure not to repeat it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

As I said at the AE page, you wrote that "Fatah, the group that controls the Palestinian National Authority, released a statement by its militia", whereas the source reads: "PA officials in Ramallah expressed skepticism over a statement released by Fatah’s militia ..." This attributes responsibility to the PA and Fatah in a way that the source does not.  Sandstein  23:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. The source does attribute responsibility to Fatah, but it doesn't mention the PA except in the context of expressing skepticism. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 08:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Itamar attack

On 25 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Itamar attack, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that, in the Itamar attack, five members of a family were stabbed to death in their beds in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Gender apartheid

Hi. I found your edits on the page Gender apartheid in the course of trying to figure out what gives with the articles on apartheid. The apartheid analogy is being applied to a number of apartheid-like situations, but it seems as though there is an effort to keep these applications off Misplaced Pages. Glad to see someone taking a more objective approach to these issues.I.Casaubon (talk) 20:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Umm

Hey, please reconsider some of your recent edits here. See if you think they can be made more NPOV. Also, I think the Location column is misleading, because it sometimes shows Israeli victims next to a Palestinian flag, like for Juliano Mer-Khamis and for casualties in the settlements. It would make more sense to have the flag correspond to the nationality of the victim. What do you think?—Biosketch (talk) 19:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm just following the status quo in which the practice is to cite the location of the incident, with flag, in the appropriate column. I have no particular opinion on the practice. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 19:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study

I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Misplaced Pages. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Misplaced Pages contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only 5 minutes. cooldenny (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study

I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Misplaced Pages. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Misplaced Pages contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only 5 minutes. cooldenny (talk) 19:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Vittorio Arrigoni

Not only ISM members who were killed by Israel deserve their own page? Chesdovi (talk) 10:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I have no opinion at the moment whether Vittorio Arrigoni deserves his own page. I do think that the murder of Vittorio Arrigoni deserves its own page, but in the meantime I've only had time to summarize it in the Tawhid wal-Jihad article. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 11:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Chesdovi, um..if you want an article perhaps you should put the content in it rather than reverting and telling me "move it here then!". You see to me that is just dumb and rude, neither of which I like much. Sean.hoyland - talk 12:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Instead of bickering, how about you guys create an article on the murder of Vittorio Arrigoni together? I'll be glad to help. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 12:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Bickering is less effort and therefore has a lower environmental impact energy use-wise. Having said that, I saw quite a detailed Al Jazeera article that might be useful. I'll dig it out. Here you go.Sean.hoyland - talk 12:21, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Some help with copy-edit?

Hi Jalapenos do exist, if you have a time, maybe you could help to copy edit my new article? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Done. Good luck with it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Again, especially because the information concerns a living person, the burden is on you to find reliable sources for this information. I've already suggested that you get an Arabic-speaking user to confirm PMW's translation of the program. Is there any particular reason you're so unwilling to make this smallest of efforts? As I said, if it really does say what PMW claims it says, you should have no qualms about getting someone to check the translation. Your unwillingness to do so only raises suspicions that the translation is exaggerated or inaccurate. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

As I already said, PMW's translations are reliable and are used in academic papers, so there is no need to find an Arabic speaker to confirm the translation. Nevertheless, if it's important to you, you are welcome to do it. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:20, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Again, the burden is on you, particularly because the information is about a living person. We cannot cite PMW, as an organization dedicated to discrediting Palestinians, as a source on a Palestinian politician. This isn't the first time that you've claimed their translations are used in scholarly works, but from my search of Google Scholar and Google Books, this is false. I've found a few uses, no more - not nearly enough to claim widespread reliability. And in the course of my search, I found a journal article describing how PMW "selectively translates material" in service of an anti-Palestinian agenda. Fancy that. We could cite the program, but we need a translation from a real source. Take it to RSN if you disagree. The burden is on you. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

ARBPIA 1RR restriction on Hamas school bus attack

Hi. You reached two reverts in 24 hours with your last one; please undo that. I won't be able to respond to any reply in a timely way since I have to rush out the door just now and won't be back online any time very soon. But please examine your history on the page to see for yourself. If you do want to reply, though, you can do so right here. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2011 (UTC)