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**] &ndash; This isn't off-wiki drama. Pickbothmanlol is community banned from Misplaced Pages. This is ban evasion. This is a concern for the community. --] (]) 21:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC) **] &ndash; This isn't off-wiki drama. Pickbothmanlol is community banned from Misplaced Pages. This is ban evasion. This is a concern for the community. --] (]) 21:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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*I too had this suspicion since December, although I reached it through IRC.
:ArbCom and I have the relevant IRC log. →<span style="font-family:Euclid Fraktur">]]].</span> 08:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


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Pickbothmanlol

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For archived investigations, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Pickbothmanlol/Archive.


– A user has requested CheckUser. An SPI clerk will shortly look at the case and endorse or decline the request.

27 January 2012
Suspected sockpuppets


I've decided to reopen a case that was previously deleted. I've investigated the claims, I've gathered evidence, and I've reached a conclusion: Fluttershy is Pickbothmanlol. Unfortunately, explaining how I reached this conclusion is going to take out time and space, and it can't be done based on on-wiki diff's alone. Due to theexplanation's complexity, I've decided to break it down into parts. I've uploaded screenshots onto encyclopediadramatica.ch in case some of the tweets linked to below disappear.

Fluttershy, u_abusebeercans, and Markus Persson

On November 25, 2011, Markus Persson (notch on twitter) made the following tweet (image):

@adambombtv of course I am a brony.

This tweet resulted in an Equestria Daily article. Fluttershy then twice attempted to use that article as reference in the Markus Persson article: , . Both of Fluttershy's revisions were reverted: , .

This is where the twitter account u_abusebeercans comes in. u_abusebeercans made the following tweet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterNotch.png):

@notch @adambombtv could you happen to verify that by posting on a blog. you would be helping my ass with this wikipedia article.

u_abusebeercans wanted Markus Persson (aka notch) to make a blog entry about being a My Little Pony fan so that that blog entry could be used as a reference in a Misplaced Pages article. It should also be noted that u_abusebeercans publicly identifies as an "established Wikipedian" on his twitter profile.

I believe that u_abusebeercans's "established" Misplaced Pages account is Fluttershy and that the Misplaced Pages article referred in the tweet is Markus Persson's own Misplaced Pages biography. I believe that Fluttershy wanted an Markus Persson to make a blog entry so that his reverted revisions could be restored.

u_abusebeercans and Iceman1234aa

On December 18, 2011, YouTube user Iceman1234aa uploaded a video entitled "u_abusebeercans and Equestrian Citizen joint-troll True Equestria Radio." u_abusebeercans then makes two tweets about it:

On January 8, 2012, u_abusebeercans tweeted about the creation of the Iceman Republic: (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterIcemanRepublic.png).

On January 15, 2012, u_abusebeercans claimed tweeted the following (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterIcemanRaid.png):

The Iceman Clan nor the Tinychat has NO involvement in the raid on the wiki. Most likely some fool that stumbled on the code.

It should be noted that both u_abusebeercans and Iceman1234aa identify as "Andrew" on their profile pages: , . I believe that u_abusebeercans and Iceman1234aa are the same person.

u_abusebeercans' attacks on Wikia

Starting on December 31, 2011, u_abusebeercans began launching attacks on one of the truecapitalist.wikia.com (not to be confused with truecapitalistradio.wikia.com):

AdmiralZhao007 links u_abusebeercans to Fluttershy

AdmiralZhao007 (aka "Ray") was a sysop during most of u_abusebeercans' attacks on the True Capitalist Wikia. This made AdmiralZhao007 a target of u_abusebeercans' attacks. In fact, on January 9, 2012, u_abusebeercans demanded that AdmiralZhao007 / ray be desysopped (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterTrueCapitalistWikia25.png):

@TurdBurgular1 then why the hell do you contribute to it, you fucking hypocrite. drop ray as an admin, and the raids end

On January 10, 2012, AdmiralZhao007 decided to quit and was desysopped and blocked.

During the attacks, AdmiralZhao007 attempted to ask TheNiggestCrookForce (aka NCF) for u_abusebeercans' dox. This backfired since TheNiggestCrookForce was actually a troll aligned with u_abusebeercans. u_abusebeercans then tweeted a screenshot of AdmiralZhao007's message: . This screenshot (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:AdmiralZhaoUAbusebeercans01.png) contains the following:

Here's what I have on him so far: http://pastebin.com/eDYSvqJW

The pastebin.com page that AdmiralZhao007 created identifies Fluttershy as u_abusebeercans' Misplaced Pages account.

Iceman1234aa is Pickbothmanlol

Establishing that Fluttershy (Misplaced Pages), u_abusebeercans (Twitter), and Iceman1234aa (YouTube) are operated by the same individual is easy; establishing their relationship to Pickbothmanlol is harder, but it can be done.

Back in 2010, when the original Encyclopedia Dramatica, an ED user discovered that the YouTube account Iceman1234aa belonged to Pickbothmanlol. This ED user decided to pickbothmanlol on YouTube. I'm not making this up. Please copy and paste the following Wayback Machine link for the original ED's Pickbothmanlol article (dated November 14, 2010) onto your address bar:

http://web.archive.org/web/20101114011948/http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Pickbothmanlol#External_links

If you view the external links listed, you'll notice the following:

Pickbothmanlol at YouTube – An impersonator; pbml needs to learn how to register and "sit on" his alternate handles.

On September 17, 2010, this impersonator uploaded "Iceman1234aa has some random bullshit to say." The summary for the video is "reuploaded in case he deletes it."

Even on Misplaced Pages, Pickbothmanlol's connection to Iceman12 is revealed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sammy_the_Seeker&diff=prev&oldid=371262638:

The infamous Iceman comes to Misplaced Pages, sound the alarms. Buddy, why would I promote a defunct clan long gone? Sammy the Seeker (talk) 20:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sammy_the_Seeker&diff=prev&oldid=371289089:

One final thing, I admit that I am in the Iceman Clan and that Iceman12 or PBML who you refer to 12 as on Misplaced Pages is as well, but that doesn't mean we are the same person. GSK knows that the Iceman Clan has the intention to delete creations, and PBML/Ice12 adopted that goal long ago and applied it everywhere else. The only thing that GSK has proved is that PBML is a Iceman member called Iceman12 who caused a lot of trouble of AW. Sammy the Seeker (talk) 23:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I believe that it's clear that Iceman1234aa is Pickbothmanlol.

Fluttershy is u_abusebeercans

Recent tweets by u_abusebeercans also provide evidence for Fluttershy being his Misplaced Pages account. On January 2, 2011, u_abusebeercans made the following tweet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterNeverSleep.png):

Gay black people never sleep Misplaced Pages, do not forget. en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_December_31

On that same day, Fluttershy removed Template:Delrev from the GNAA article and used "Gay black pride for life. WP:DR closed."

On January 24, 2012, u_abusebeercans made the following tweet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterDisgracing.png):

I had two people blocked from Misplaced Pages in one discussion. One for malware posting, and one for disgracing the GNAA.

This tweet implies that u_abusebeercans was directly involved in this WP:AN/I discussion. The "one for malware posting" is referring to Princess_Derpy, while "one for disgracing the GNAA" is referring to Selery. Fluttershy initiated the discussion that resulted in both of those blocks. I believe that Fluttershy was using the u_abusebeercans twitter account in order to boast about what he sees as an accomplishment.

On January 25, 2012, u_abusebeercans confirms that he was referring to Princess Derpy and Selery in the following tweet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterDerpy.png):

@Gary_Niger I did not realize that Derpy was GNAA. My only intention was to rid of Selery and his racist views.

The second sentence of that tweet implies that Fluttershy's sole goal with creating that AN/I was to oust Selery from the project. That would be considered disruptive.

On January 25, 2012, u_abusebeercans mentions User:Incognito in a tweet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:UAbusebeercansTwitterIncognito.png). On January 26, 2012, Fluttershy brings up how Incognito has File:Gnaa-logo.png on his or her user page.

Conclusion

In the "Iceman1234aa is Pickbothmanlol" section, I've established a solid connection between Pickbothmanlol and Iceman1234aa. In "u_abusebeercans and Iceman1234aa", I provided evidence for Iceman1234aa and u_abusebeercans being the same person. In "u_abusebeercans' attacks on Wikia", I posted evidence of u_abusebeercans' attacks on Wikia. u_abusebeercans isn't the sort of person one should want on Misplaced Pages. In "Fluttershy, u_abusebeercans, and Markus Persson", "AdmiralZhao007 links u_abusebeercans to Fluttershy", and "Fluttershy is u_abusebeercans", I showed that u_abusebeercans and Fluttershy are the same person. In conclusion: Pickbothmanlol = Iceman1234aa = u_abusebeercans = Fluttershy.

--Michaeldsuarez (talk) 02:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Pickbothmanlol, Fluttershy, and Kevin Morrison

Starting In late December 2006, wiki.activeworlds.com was hit by a spree of vandalism. An user named Iceman appeared and vandalized that wiki's Main Page. Early sockpuppets of Iceman included Strike Rapier, Icemanreturns, Iceman43, and Iceman4343. Eventually, Iceman returned as Pickbothmanlol Iceman. Above, I've provided evidence for Pickbothmanlol and Iceman being the same person.

In October 2010, Pickbothmanlol / Iceman returned to wiki.activeworlds.com as Kevin Morrison. On October 30, 2010, User:GSK blocked Kevin Morrison with the following summary:

Abusing multiple accounts: User has been permabanned in past. Otherwise, cute.

On October 23, 2010 (around the same time Kevin Morrison was active at wiki.activeworlds.com), Fluttershy created his account (then named SixthAtom). Fluttershy created an article that was later deleted and oversighted on November 22, 2010: , . Jclemens recently stated that the article had "(cyberterrorist)" appended to the end. After searching around a bit, I've determined that this deleted article must've been "Kevin_Morrison_(cyberterrorist)". Although the article has been oversighted, there's still evidence of its previously existence: Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive99#Kevin_Morrison_.28cyberterrorist.29. Fluttershy apparently wrote an article on one of Pickbothmanlol's / Iceman's vandal personas. Why? Most likely because Fluttershy, Pickbothmanlol, Iceman, and Kevin Morrison are the same person. Fluttershy wrote an article on himself.

--Michaeldsuarez (talk) 20:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Restored content from last case which was originally deleted. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 22:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

On A YouTube video with "Andrew Crogonk" was uploaded from an account linking to his main account (claiming him to be the one in the video). This user has repeatedly attempted to create a page on himself, to have it removed every time.

The account that uploaded the video claims "NOTE:This channel is owned by Andrew's Iceman Network and by West", Iceman1234aa is Fluttershy's main channel. The account, is clearly a sock of known vandal Pickbothmanlol.

Additionally, he has repeatedly posted about Encyclopedia Dramatica, where he attempted to promote his vandalism. Itgetsworse (talk) 03:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Restored user response. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 22:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I would love to point out that Itgetsworse's userpage happens to have an image of the GNAA logo. Plus, I have been repeatedly trolled by these people on their website. Fluttershy !xmcuvg2MH 12:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
By the way, care to explain how User:Incognito seems to share the same characteristic? The MLP project has become a new target for the GNAA to troll, and they are merely preying on participants of the project. Fluttershy !xmcuvg2MH 12:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Say what you want, but the evidence is there. Itgetsworse (talk) 13:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello, im incognito. I am a GNAA member but I'm a Wikipedian first, this account is over 6 years old and I'm just trying to help the project and have not engaged in any type of trolling, flaming or page blanking. You maybe suffering from Persecutory delusions. incog (talk) 13:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It should be noted that this user continues to suspiciously remove {{sockpuppet}} from his userpage. Itgetsworse (talk) 14:00, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

It should also be noted that you seem to be a sock yourself. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Checkuser me, do whatever is needed, I'm no sock Itgetsworse (talk) 14:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you are from GNAA. You would know how to proxy, so a CU would be completely inconclusive. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Screw this nonsense. If the GNAA wants me off the project so much, then that is what shall happen. Fluttershy !xmcuvg2MH 02:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
You don't think I'm watching your little discussion on ED, Meepsheep? The answer is yes. Fluttershy !xmcuvg2MH 02:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
If I wanted the discussion to be a secret, I would've used Email. Here's some links:
  • http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/index.php?title=User_talk:Meepsheep&diff=329616&oldid=329287
  • http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/index.php?title=User_talk:Meepsheep&diff=329627&oldid=329616
  • http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/index.php?title=User_talk:JuniusThaddeus&diff=329630&oldid=328616
I'm not ashamed of my activity on ED, and I haven't broke any of Misplaced Pages's policies with my comments there. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

, – Out of curiosity, what was Fluttershy's first article? This would help determine the original motivation behind the account's creation. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 03:27, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a reason why that was revision deleted, and I agree with the administrator who took that action. The title has no connection as far as I can tell to the above evidence. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 10:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I've asked Jclemens to comment here, although I've specifically not asked for the page title or for anything else specific in the response. Nyttend (talk) 13:21, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
The title was deleted because it was a plausible name with "(cyberterrorist)" appended. At the time I did that, I don't remember investigating any farther, although I have a general tendency to block accounts who do things like that--If I failed to do so and that contributed to additional problems here, my apologies. Jclemens (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive99#Kevin_Morrison_.28cyberterrorist.29, – Alright. Then "Kevin_Morrison_(cyberterrorist)" must've been Fluttershy's first article. What's interesting is what happens when you google "kevin+morrison"+"pickbothmanlol". Thank you. This pastebin is the smoking gun. Fluttershy is Pickbothmanlol. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
After being asked to consult on this investigation given my history with this user, and after looking at all of the evidence presented above, I believe that the user in question is a sockpuppet of Pickbothmanlol. I do not actively participate in Active Worlds content anymore nor do I have administrative abilities on the ActiveWiki, so your best bet for additional information would be User:Hyper Anthony, who also wrote the Pastebin you linked to above. I've linked him here. -- GSK (t ● c) 21:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I too had this suspicion since December, although I reached it through IRC.
ArbCom and I have the relevant IRC log. →Στc. 08:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • Because I already deleted one case regarding this today, i'm not going to take any actions as a clerk on this case for now. The connections that are attempted to be drawn out above do not connect all the dots from user to user. Also there should be some onwiki behavioral evidence somewhere that you can draw on and not just drag in this offwiki evidence especially when it contains some inappropriate material. I must warn all persons reviewing this content that while investigating some of this, even though I might have been a little off the mark in investigation (I was just looking at all avenues), that there was an attempted attack on my computer via a Trojan Horse and I advise all reviewing to make sure their antivirus is active. (None of the above links directly take you to it) I will admit there are some things that are not explainable, I don`t think I can sit on either side of the fence yet. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 10:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
That's unsurprising, given that at least a couple websites owned by GNAA host malicious javascript. Some of the sites use typos of other website names too, so be sure to check where the domain actually goes.
Personally, I wish the WMF would just allow everybody in here to be checkusered to find out who is using proxies or sockpuppets. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm just confused. I don't think its terribly convincing. There are similarities, it's all entirely circumstantial. I am frankly uncomfortable endorsing CU to say the least, and there is far from being enough to block on. NativeForeigner 03:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


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