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Srbica/ Skenderaj is mainly populated by Albanians. Source: The yugoslavian statistic office. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.156.251.161 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
- The demographics does not give you the authority to rename the whole city. Srbica was/is the official name. The Albanian could be noted as an alternative... HolyRomanEmperor 19:17, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Kosovo is now independent of Serbia. There is no Srbica anymore. The city is named Skënderaj, as it always was supposed to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lena88.m (talk • contribs) 18:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
It's Skënderaj, nobody that lives there uses the name 'Srbica' - it's idiotic to call it that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.8.116 (talk) 06:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo
The user of the city names in English Language (newer version from the UN liable pilari in Kosovo for such think )
The original page of the Law (1. in albanian L., 2.Serbian L.)
- http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/03albanian/A2000regs/RA2000_43.htm
- http://www.unmikonline.org/regulations/unmikgazette/04serbian/SC2000regs/RSC2000_43.pdf
The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for albanian language.
RREGULLORe NR. 2000/43 UNMIK/REG/2000/43 27 korrik 2000 Mbi numrin, emrat dhe kufinjtë e komunave ------------------------------------------- Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm, Në pajtim me autorizimin e tij të dhënë me rezolutën 1244 (1999) të datës 10 qershor 1999 të Këshillit të Sigurimit të Kombeve të Bashkuara, Duke marrë parasysh Rregulloren nr. 1999/1 të datës 25 korrik 1999, të ndryshuar, të Misionit të Administratës së Përkohshme të Kombeve të Bashkuara në Kosovë (UNMIK) mbi autorizimin e Administratës së Përkohshme në Kosovë dhe Rregulloren Nr. 1999/24 të datës 12 dhjetor 1999 të UNMIK-ut mbi ligjin në fuqi në Kosovë, Me qëllim të qartësimit të numrit, emrave, shtrirja dhe kufinjve të komunave para mbajtjes së zgjedhjeve komunale në Kosovë, Shpall sa vijon: Neni 1 Numri dhe emrat e komunave Kosova ka tridhjetë komuna ashtu siç figurojnë në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Komunikimi zyrtar nuk përmban asnjë emër për ndonjë komunë i cili nuk figuron në Tabelën ‘A’ të kësaj rregulloreje, përveç që në ato komuna ku komunitetet etnike a gjuhësore joshqiptare dhe joserbe përbëjnë një pjesë substanciale, emrat e komunave jepen edhe në gjuhët e atyre komuniteteve. Neni 2 Shtrirja dhe kufinjtë e komunave Shtrirja e çdo komune dhe kufinjtë e tyre skicohen nga zonat e tyre përbërëse kadastrale. Zonat kadastrale të cilat përbëjnë çdo komunë figurojnë në Tabelën ‘B’ të kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 3 Zbatimi Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm mund të lëshojë direktiva administrative në lidhje me zbatimin e kësaj rregulloreje. Neni 4 Ligji i zbatueshëm Kjo rregullore mbulon çdo dispozitë në ligjin e zbatueshëm e cila nuk është në përputhje me të. Neni 5 Hyrja në fuqi Kjo rregullore hyn në fuqi më 27 korrik 2000. Bernard Kouchner Përfaqësuesi Special i Sekretarit të Përgjithshëm
The UN Law in Kosovo says that the only oficele name are the names presentit in >A< every thinks als is out of Law. This is for serbian language.
UREDBA BR. 2000/43
UNMIK/URED/2000/43
27. jul 2000. godine
O BROJU, IMENIMA I GRANICAMA OP[TINA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara,
Shodno ovla{}ewu koje mu je dato Rezolucijom Saveta bezbednosti Ujediwenih
nacija 1244 (1999) od 10. juna 1999. godine,
Na osnovu Uredbe br. 1999/1 od 25. jula 1999. godine Privremene
administrativne misije Ujediwenih nacija na Kosovu (UNMIK), sa izmenama i
dopunama, o ovla{}ewima Privremene uprave na Kosovu i na osnovu Uredbe
UNMIK-a br. 2000/24 od 12. decembra 2000. godine o zakonu koji je u primeni na
Kosovu, <u>(hier is oficele user)</u>
U ciqu razja{wavawa broja, imena, oblasti i granica op{tina pre odr`avawa
op{tinskih izbora na Kosovu,
Ovim objavquje slede}e:
Clan 1
BROJ I IMENA OPSTINA
1.1 Kosovo ima trideset opstina kao sto je dato u Tabeli '''A''' u dodatku ovoj
Uredbi.
1.2 Zvani~na komunikacija ne mo`e da sadrzi bilo koje ime za opstinu koje
nije naziv odredjen u Tabeli A ove Uredbe, osim u onim opstinama gde etni~ke i
jezi~ke zajednice, koje nisu srpske i albanske ~ine znatan deo stanovni{tva, gde
se imena op{tina daju i na jezicima tih zajednica.
Clan 2
PODRU^JA I GRANICE OP[TINA
Podru~je svake op{tine i wene granice su ocrtane wenim sastavnim
katastarskim zonama. Katastarske zone koje ~ine svaku op{tinu su odre|ene u
Tabeli B prilo`enoj u dodatku ovoj Uredbi.
Clan 3
PRIMENA
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara mo`e da donese administrativno
uputstvo u vezi sa primenom ove Uredbe.
Clan 4
ZAKON KOJI JE U PRIMENI
Ova Uredba zamewuje svaku odredbu zakona koji je u primeni a koja nije saglasna
sa wom.
Clan 5
STUPAWE NA SNAGU
Ova Uredba stupa na snagu 27. jula 2000. godine.
Bernar Ku{ner
Specijalni predstavnik Generalnog sekretara
tabel of contens >A<
TABELA ‘A’ (alb) RASPORED A (ser.) Emrat e komunave (alb.)IMENA OPSTINA (serb) Albanski Srpski 01 Deçan \Decani 02 Gjakovë \Djakovica 03 Gllogovc \Glogovac 04 Gjilan \Gnilane 05 Dragash \Dragas 06 Istog \Istok 07 Kaçanik \Kacanik 08 Klinë\ Klina 09 Fushë Kosovë\ Kosovo Polje 10 Kamenicë \Kamenica 11 Mitrovicë \Kosovska Mitrovica 12 Leposaviq \Leposavic 13 Lipjan \Lipqan 14 Novobërdë \Novo Brdo 15 Obiliq \Obilic 16 Rahovec\ Orahovac 17 Pejë\ Pec 18 Podujevë\ Podujevo 19 Prishtinë \Pristina 20 Prizren \Prizren 21 Skenderaj\ Srbica 22 Shtime\ Stimqe 23 Shtërpcë\ Strpce 24 Suharekë\ Suva Reka 25 Ferizaj \Urosevac 26 Viti \Vitina 27 Vushtrri\ Vucitrn 28 Zubin Potok \Zubin Potok 29 Zveçan\ Zvecan 30 Malishevë\ Malisevo
If sambody have a argument Im waitting. In another cases you are going to interpret the dokumets (you are out of UN Law) and you dont have argumet, you dont work for Misplaced Pages but are destroing the Misplaced Pages image. I know that my english is not so gut, but a desinformation is not gut for Misplaced Pages and for the peopel in Kosovo. You can have a problem with "Haage". This tabel is speeken better then I.--Hipi Zhdripi 21:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
No argumet
No argumet!!! please dont inteprete the documents
Sombody have putit this Kosovo place in Serbia stub or category or template here with out argumet. We dont have a argumet that Kosovo is part of S/M. We have tha Constitution of this countrie but we have the rez. 1244 wich is more importen for the Misplaced Pages and is saying that Kosovo it is a part of Yougoslavia and is prototoriat of UN. Till we dont have a clearly argument from UN, aricel about Kosovo must be out of this stub or category or template. Pleas dont make the discution with intepretation or the Law wich are not accordin to 1244. Everybodoy can do that but that is nothing for Misplaced Pages.--Hipi Zhdripi 05:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The usual simple tests
Google Print test:
- Searching for Srbica : 34 books in English (2 using "Srbica/Skenderaj").
- Searching for Skenderaj OR Skënderaj : 22 books in English (5 using "Srbica/Skenderaj").
- Searching for Srbica -Skenderaj -Skënderaj : 32 books in English.
- Searching for Skenderaj OR Skënderaj -Srbica : 16 books in English.
- Searching for Srbica date:2000-2007 : 23 books in English (2 using "Srbica/Skenderaj").
- Searching for Skenderaj OR Skënderaj date:2000-2007 : 16 books in English (5 using "Srbica/Skenderaj").
Google Scholar test:
- Searching for Srbica : 39 results in English.
(including 2 using "Srbica/Skenderaj" and 4 using "Skenderaj/Srbica") - Searching for Skenderaj OR Skënderaj : 37 results in English..
(including 3 using "Skenderaj/Srbica" and 3 using "Srbica/Skenderaj")
- Searching for Srbica -Skenderaj -Skënderaj : 21 results in English.
- Searching for Skenderaj OR Skënderaj -Srbica : 21 results in English.
Amazon.com test:
- Searching for Srbica : 28 books in English.
- Searching for Skenderaj or Skënderaj : 11 books in English.
The New York Times:
- Searching for Srbica : 27 results.
- Searching for Skenderaj : 1 results.
- Searching for Skënderaj : 0 results.
International Herald Tribune:
BBC:
CNN:
- NGS maps: The Balkans (December 1999) uses Srbica only.
Best regards, Evv 15:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Not surprised since that's the name forced. Skenderaj - About 3,070,000 results (0.16 seconds) Srbica - About 434,000 results (0.06 seconds) The latter name doesn't even have any meaning behind it, besides standing for "serbia" yet only ~600 serbs live there currently. Of course, they are more than welcome to live there like any other free human being, but to be named after them after such a small amount in the province compared to Albanians living there.. doesn't make sense.. Srbica makes it sound very serb dominant, when in fact Skenderaj is from Skenderbeu who was seen as a hero not by just Albanians, but my many other countries (some of them even making statues of him in their hometown). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.8.116 (talk) 06:20, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Unitet Naticion Law in Kosovo and Misplaced Pages
Before two years, I have presented the argument. In thate time it was clear, thate, Serbia with or without Kosovo, is going to be part of Europe Card for citys names. And Europ Card for citys names (komuna) is adopted from Kosovar Govermend. My dier friends in English Misplaced Pages, you are maken not a litel problem, but with all information, you are changen the oficial names of the citys in Kosovo.
You have taket the Serbial Law or some imagenedet rouls, als more importen thane UN Law. English Misplaced Pages is not working/existing under the Serbian Law, but under UN Law. Don´t be wondering if somebody is acusing the English Misplaced Pages for anti-UN propaganda and "spaming" desinformation to the internet iusers.
The mandat of UN in Kosovo is hight livel thane Serbian Law - witch since the UNMIK is in Kosovo, dont exist anymore for Kosovo.
- You are working agains the Kosovo Law
- You are working agains the Europen Card for city names
- You are working agains the UNMIK - Law
- You are working agains the UN - Law
The LAW of Kosovo, Eropen, UNMIK and UN, thate I have presented here before two years nobady diden respect.
Becose of this I acuse you for desinformations and working aganis this LAWS, and with you works here you are helping to destabisate the sitution in Balkan. DON SAY THAT YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAR, DONT BE PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVAT THE PRIMITIV PEOPEL, PLEASE REPECT THE UN - LAW
THE SYS. AND ADMINISTRATORS OF ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HAVE RESPOSIBLITI TO STOP MAKEN WIKIPEDIA AS PART OF PROPAGANDA WITCH MOTIVATE PRIMITIV PEOPEL.
SINCE 2 YEARS, ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA WITH NOT RESPECTING THE UN LAW, IS HELPING IN DESTABILSATION OF THE BALKAN REGION. - Hipi Zhdripi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.183.85 (talk) 00:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The proposal was open for six days, but no discussion took place. After that time, JPG-GR moved the article to "Skënderaj", but forgot to close this section. — However, the proposal made no attempt to back its first point (that usage in English-language publications, as exemplified in the usual simple tests above, has changed due to the new status of Kosovo), and based its second point (new circumstances) on the false premise that our naming conventions contemplate the political situation of a given region -or the ethnicity of its population- instead of merely requiring that we follow the common usage of English-language publications, the usage the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize. — Therefore, I have considered this proposal and subsequent move as null and void, and have moved the article back to "Srbica". - Ev (talk) 14:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Srbica → Skënderaj — Usage and new circumstances due to the new status of Kosovo. See population setup. — Maestral (talk) 10:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Survey
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Discussion
- Any additional comments:
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Skënderaj or Skenderaj
Although in the most versions of Wikipedias the city's Albanian name is written as "Skënderaj", the municipality's official site refers it "Skenderaj" (without dots over e), as an OECD documents also mentions it so. Which is correct to spell it as "Skënderaj" or "Skenderaj" in Albanian language? --Peccafly-talk-hist 13:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I believe it's Skënderaj.--kedadi (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
- I am sure that it is Skenderaj. ==Tadija (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
In Kosovo PM occifial site, this and this call it "Skënderaj" but this calls it "Skenderaj". Kosovo Government's Local Administration Ministry's official website, here written "Skënderaj" but once you click the link, you will see here written "Skenderaj".... :/ This is really confusing.--Peccafly-talk-hist 23:36, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
- I as an Albanian am confused too. Both forms seem to me to be correct but I believe that it is Skënderaj with a ë. I'll request the official name and I'll update you if there is anything new. Thank you. kedadial 00:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you very much.--Peccafly-talk-hist 10:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Nothing agains cyrillic, but...
I believe that it would serve better to everyone if we should try and really try and contribute globally - not just to our small communities. I do not have anything against Cyrillic, but it is really biased to put the name of the city in Cyrillic before other two names. I mean, UN, EULEX, Kosovo Government all use other Latin written names. Cyrillic is not even official, so using the version that is now available is not at all neutral. Can someone please change the order of names (without removing the Cyrillic). If not, I will do so! AnnaFabiano (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
- You cannot deside that you will just do something. Cyrillic is official letter in Serbia. It just follows name of the article. As article name is in Latin, first next in order is Cyrillic.
- Србица / Srbica, (as article lead), and other name
- Skënderaj
- It is quite clear. And there are no need for any changing. Tadija (talk) 15:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Anna, it doesn't seem like your goal is what you claim it to be. It's not that you have anything against Cyrillic, you just don't like "Srbica" to be first, but rather "Skenderaj" . So, from what I can see, it's not about Cyrillic, it's about wanting the Albanian version of the town name. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Cinéma C 23:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- Actually Cinema I have become a bit paranoid. Everything is a battle here. You must have realized that allot of people here don't want to contribute rather make it their way. I really wanted to use a NPOV for cases like this. It seems that Srbica is the name used by the international community in Kosovo so it should be used in the English Misplaced Pages - I found some sources where they used Skenderaj, but it seems that Srbica is official - so for me that is OK. On the other hand in Kosovo the order is International/Albanian/Serbian, that is the order seemingly used in Kosovo (semi-recognized state) also, so I suggest it should be used everywhere (that is the order on most Kosovo cities, villages and towns). What do you think? —Anna Comnena (talk) 23:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well, that's not what I was talking about. You say you found sources that used Skenderaj, but you changed the order to put Skënderaj first. I'd love to see an English source that uses the letter "ë". Also, you have to take into consideration that the Serbian language treats Cyrillic and Latin script as equal, regardless of the fact that Serbia lists Cyrillic as the official script. Furthermore, claims such as calling Kosovo a semi-recognized state are provocative and against the Kosovo Arbitration rulings, where there is no place for discussing whether Kosovo is a province, country or state. As for the order of names, I'd like to see some sources where that system is used in Kosovo in practice, and why that's significant for how that topic should be treated on Misplaced Pages. --Cinéma C 17:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Cinema C, I just said that I agree with Srbica being used first. About semi-recognized thing: I personally am an Albanian from Kosovo, so I would prefer not to call it that - I prefer Kosova myself. But Misplaced Pages is not what I and YOU prefer but what is certain. Trying to consider your feelings (this is not an actual article, this is a talk page) i used "semi-recognized". BTW I sense a dose of bullying from you. —Anna Comnena (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's not about what you sense or what you and I feel, I'm talking about Misplaced Pages rules. --Cinéma C 20:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Cinema C, I just said that I agree with Srbica being used first. About semi-recognized thing: I personally am an Albanian from Kosovo, so I would prefer not to call it that - I prefer Kosova myself. But Misplaced Pages is not what I and YOU prefer but what is certain. Trying to consider your feelings (this is not an actual article, this is a talk page) i used "semi-recognized". BTW I sense a dose of bullying from you. —Anna Comnena (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- I read Misplaced Pages rules all the time. —Anna Comnena (talk) 22:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Good :) --Cinéma C 22:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- Good :) —Anna Comnena (talk) 22:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)