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Haha

Bet no one else has that one on their watch list :) - so leaving message like that is fine - and I accept your point - will search around for the appropriate ref - btw you interested? http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/6 SatuSuro 04:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

dead links - I know of a full field of them within the Australian project - must tell you about em later, at the little creatures :) - I must say I like their website - that has a certain - fremantle feel to its visual impact SatuSuro 13:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Unless I am mistaken - we missed you - trust all is ok - there will be more meetups during the year :) SatuSuro 11:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Minor crisis occurred at the last minute, but it's all sorted now. I'll try again next time. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually come to think of it - I had one as well - but somehow got there (thats a long story over a OJ/whatever/beer at a meetup I'd say) - and am very impressed by your work on Freo - thanks for that - from the meeting we have a potential Freo area article project coming up! - cheers SatuSuro 08:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Not Stats - more haha - try doing that at the related articles and http://en.wikipedia.org/2011_Indonesia_Premier_League - great idea but hey - its like the indonesian project is this vast soccer accounting system :( SatuSuro 12:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Radio-frequency identification

You might not have seen my edit at Radio-frequency identification (diff) where I reverted the new material added by Minhojo77 (talk · contribs) with an edit summary indicating that the material is a copyvio. Since you have edited the re-addition of the material, I don't want to just delete it again so I have put a comment at Talk:Radio-frequency identification#Copyvio. Johnuniq (talk) 07:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for that very constructive contribution. Hopefully it will satisfy all parties. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move for Sterilization (surgical procedure) closed - prematurely?

Not a premature close since the discussion seems to have stalled and had ample time since it was relisted. This appears to be a question of scope at this time and WP:RM is the wrong place to resolve that issue. I see two options. One would be to split the article into two articles. The other would be to open a discussion on what the scope of the article should be. I have no idea what should happen with the article, but the move was not showing any consensus. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Elwell (astrologer)

Thanks for your help on Dennis Elwell. I suggested in my preamble to the copyedit the keeping of the copyedit temp on the article so that it is flagged to be reviewed again during the coming Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors drive, bar it being reviewed by two copy editors already contacted. Given the history of the article I believe it could well become a war zone again. Acabashi (talk) 17:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

OK. I've restored the tag. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks sir. As I say, if you see anything else that needs a clean-up, break a leg :) Acabashi (talk) 11:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

David Forrest (Australian politician)

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EP

Ta - there is a lot more that can go in that one - the epra and their reports etc were in fact latecomers to all the stuff - cheers SatuSuro 13:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

stuffed as to how to get ref/note 12 to start at the beginning and not half way cross the space SatuSuro 13:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Septimus Burt

apols - it was a bit rude of my edit summaries to speak like that.. septimus schmeptimus I say - they sure had large families in those days SatuSuro 12:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

No problems, I probably should have put the {{Underconstruction}} up sooner. I was considering adding an article on Octavius as well, but he doesn't appear to be sufficiently notable. Erickson's Dictionary of Western Australians mentions him, but that's about all I could find, other than his mention in Septimus' bio at ADB. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe there's safety in numbers - one of my research sites os had guys who had fathered up to 80 kids, wheesh that sounds ridivisulous, or words to that affect SatuSuro 12:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

nothing personal but what the hell is the aversion to WP:cite ? adding list of long lots of WP:RS at the bottom of an article is fine - but when there are no cites in the text - the long lists of refs really should be linked in... maybe this will read really bad - the intention is WP:AGF - but hell, there are dumbos out there who would tag the inevitable refs but no inline cites tag.. cheers - keep up the hard work anyways SatuSuro 12:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/John_Horgan_(Australian_politician) - is the classic case - not a cite in sight (arrgghhh) - now that trove even gives wp cite format as a given from newspapers it is a breeze SatuSuro 12:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Just for you ... Mitch Ames (talk) 12:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Can I suggest that we wait until after I have removed the {{Under construction}} tag, and then - if you still feel the need - continue the discussion about refs and cites. I added {{More footnotes}} myself, with this comment <!--This is a temporary reminder to myself to add inline cites where appropriate before I finish. Mitch Ames, 2011-07-24-->. I've nearly finished cleaning up, and will remove both (under construction, more footnotes) when I'm done. (The reason that I'm adding the inline cites last is because I find it easier to add them after I've got the bulk of the text done. The {{Under construction}} is supposed to buy me a little time... Mitch Ames (talk) 12:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

fairrr enough - remind me if you ever get to a meetup I owe you some rounds of whatever as recompense... thanks for the explanation.. SatuSuro 12:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

agree to disagree

whenever i find notes and refs mixed i separate them - if you have been through academia - they want the info verifed - the same way here - to simply cluster a group of book names at the bottom of the article - what part are you attributing to what? anyways it doesnt reduce the promise of a round or few if you turn up to a meetup some time :0 SatuSuro 14:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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these exist for a reason :) - cheers SatuSuro 14:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

sort of format common sense more than anything else - Notes are things tied into the cite/footnote pattern, while references are those things that have not been used for a cite - I have not wandered into MOS for a few years, and have not been stopped in my tracks until you have mentioned it - it all feels like wee need a meetup to have a beer/coffee/juice over this and some other issues that seem to creep in after dealing with damned 19th century western australian dmned controlling families SatuSuro 12:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Census image

Hi Mitch, note that the logo image actually has "2006" in the bottom right (although the resolution makes it hard to read) - with that in mind, does it still need renaming? Cheers --GenericBob (talk) 12:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure you're looking at the new 2011 version, that I uploaded today? (It has the text "Census abs.gov.au/census For a brighter future" on it). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe I still had the old one cached? Looks good now, anyway! --GenericBob (talk) 01:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Commodity data

You just modified this paragraph in the ISO 8583 article:

Although ISO 8583 defines a common standard, it is not typically used directly by systems or networks. It defines many standard fields (data elements) which remain the same in all systems or networks, and leaves a few additional fields for passing network specific details. These fields are used by each network to adapt the standard for its own use with custom fields and custom usages.

Do you know if any POS terminals such as gasoline pumps include commodity data in reserved fields in credit/debit card trasactions such as grade of gasoline and gallons/liters pumped? If so does this data pass through the payment networks unchanged so that payees such as fuel venders can do statistical analysis of the non-monetary sales data? Greensburger (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. My changes were only copy-edits for grammar and style. They weren't intended to change the meaning of the paragraph.

Pelican point

A piece of land that projects into a body of water and is connected with the mainland by an isthmus. (peninsuala) (ie almost an island in latin) I fail to see the pelican promontary being a peninsula - so once again beg to disagree - but I aint gonna revert it - I just dont think it fits at all - cheers SatuSuro 02:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, I accept my geography lesson for today, and have reverted. I still think that "Pelican Point is a point ..." sounds silly, but I can't find a better word. I had intended to link to Point (geography), but it redirects to List of peninsulas! Mitch Ames (talk) 04:05, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Thats the absurdity of the place - live with it and you'll survive - making sense or trying to as some do - is the beginning of the fall into despair :) SatuSuro 04:39, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Letter-NumberCombination

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"Thank You" for editing assistance

Article: VHEMT
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Mitch, your editing assistance is truly appreciated. Have a great week
Wiki Regards,
Skyeking (talk) 18:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	You have been awarded this Barnstar for the great work you are doing correcting spelling, grammar and punctuation. Thanks! Guy Macon (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

thanks

Thank you for correcting my awkward English in ISO 6709. Aprasinos (talk) 07:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Citation Barnstar

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		message For helping to improve the citations on the Andrew Forrest article

Great job on your help on referencing the Andrew Forrest article! Keep the great work up. Twigfan (talk) 10:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Millions

Hi Mitch. Re , WP:MOSNUM#Large numbers says to use capital M. Moondyne (talk) 13:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Fixed. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

But see also: WT:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Inconsistent_case_in_abbreviations_for_millions_and_billions. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

It did surprise me: I'd mostly used M before. But am happy to defer to the style experts. Moondyne (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I'd mostly used "m" before Moondyne (talk) 14:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

Hi Mitch Ames, I saw that you have been involved in editing this article and I thought I'd notify you that I just posted a significant expansion. I think that all of the same links and sourced information in the old version is present in this one, but let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:51, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

NOTIFICATION by Skyeking to Mark Arsten (User Talk Page):

Hello Mark,

Thank you for the notification about your “lengthy rewrite” (not expansion) of the entire VHEMT article. I have reverted your extensive “rewrite” (no consensus – WP:CON of fellow Editors) because there are three primary Editors (Nuujinn / Mitch Ames / Skyeking) who oversee said article and they have contributed significantly (edited collaboratively) to its development for 21-months.

SOUCE – WP:OAS
“Do not confuse stewardship with ownership. Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but not all edits bring improvement. In many cases, a core group of editors will have worked to build the article up to its present state, and will revert unconstructive edits in order to preserve the quality of the encyclopedia.” (WP:OAS)

Regarding the VHEMT article, we welcome you as a participating Editor and look forward to collaboratively editing with you.

Interestingly, you not request copy-editing participation from Mitch Ames or myself (quote M. Arsten as addressed to only Nuujinn and bobrayner) “I’d particularly be grateful if you could help with copy-editing the article.”

For myself, I am diametrically opposed to Mark Arsten’s extensive and lengthy (unnecessary phraseology and original research WP:OR) rewrite of said article (original version December 10, 2011). My proposal is that we (obviously inclusive of Mark Arsten) proceed from the original version and “slowly” (edit collaboratively) consider (discuss) “line-by-line” any-and-all “suggested” edits (WP:CON).

For myself, I am curious to learn about Mark Arsten’s “course of reasoning” (arguments) that lead him to a conclusion that an entire rewrite of the VHEMT article would somehow improve Misplaced Pages. My finding is that such a rewrite not improve Misplaced Pages, and at this time, I seriously question M. Arsten’s conclusion(s).

Therefore, my request to Mark Arsten is that he open a discussion topic at said article’s Talk Page and provide his fellow Editors an explanation about his “course of reasoning” (arguments).

Wiki Regards,
Skyeking (talk) 00:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Mitch Ames, I've opened a discussion on the talk page of VHEMT and would like your opinion. I'm sorry if you were offended that I did not ask you to copyedit, I asked Bobrayner and Nuujinn because I saw that both had experience doing so. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

No offense is taken. I shall probably join in the discussions on the VHEMT talk page shortly ... Mitch Ames (talk) 12:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedits, I can't believe I mixed up it's and its , DOH! Mark Arsten (talk) 16:17, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

• Hi again, I did some rephrasing and reorganization of the article again. Could you take a look at it again? I hope you think it's an improvement. I can e-mail you the offline sources I used if you want. I don't have a copy of The World Without Us, and I haven't been able to access page 311 on Amazon or Google books. You wouldn't happen to have access to that book, would you? BTW, let me know if you think the article is close to Good Article quality. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on GA criteria - nor am I or can I be involved in the GA review - but I suspect that the GA nomination will fail to meet criterion 5 "Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute". While I do not agree with Skyeking's recent reversions or his communications methods, he does appear to have an outstanding unresolved dispute about the contents of the article. That unresolved dispute - regardless of our opinions as to its validity - is likely (and, I believe, should) cause the nomination to be declined. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your thoughts. I don't care too much about whether it passes or fails per se, I'm just looking to improve the quality of the article. I won't mind if it is failed due to stability issues, as long as it is improved in the process. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy Australia Day! Thank you for contributing to Australian content!

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	Thank you for your contributions on English Misplaced Pages that have helped improve Australian related content. :D It is very much appreciated. :D Enjoy your Australia Day and please continue your good work! LauraHale (talk) 01:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

RFC/U on Skyeking

As you may know, I haven't been very involved in the VHEMT article, but what I've seen is more than enough to get Skyeking restricted from editing the article and possibly the talkpage. Would you want to put together an RFC/U? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:47, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

My reply is at User talk:Mark Arsten#RFC/U on Skyeking, so that all such discussion is in one place. Mitch Ames (talk) 03:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Request Editing Assistance - VHEMT Article

Respectfully Mitch Ames (my fellow editor, all due respect, “good faith”),

Hopefully, my contacting you is permissible.
If not, then you have my sincere apology.

Is the VHEMT Article locked/protected? If so, why?
Is the Article Talk Page locked/protected? If so, why?

As you know, I am a novice (newcomer; only edit one Article) about Misplaced Pages.

I tried to edit the Article Talk Page:

13:32, 29 January 2012 / Talk:Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (→VHEMT website ownership?: new section)

13:08, 29 January 2012 / Talk:Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (→VHEMT website ownership?: new section)

So far, doing such caused duplication, my objective was to post the topic (new section) "VHEMT website ownership?" --- but, such not displayed at the Article Talk Page. I don't know why, do you?

An example of what I was trying to post is at my User Talk Page (refer here).

13:47, 29 January 2012 / User talk:Skyeking‎ (→VHEMT website ownership?: new section)

If my contacting you was a breach of (????) then you have my sincere apology.
If you are willing to assist me you have my "Thank You" in advance.
Wiki Regards,
Skyeking (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe that the article or talk page are locked. However there was a technical problem with the talk page. It looks like Mark Arsten accidentally left an unclosed tag in one of his earlier posts, and that caused everything after that point not to be visible. I don't know why the visibility problem didn't happen immediately (I had posted something after that, and it was visible at that time), but it appears to have been fixed now. I made several edits earlier today - as 203.176.108.99, because I was not at my own PC, so not logged in - which fixed it. I'm fairly sure that the page now accurately reflects your most recent post (I removed the first/earlier of the two), but you should check it just be sure. (I'll get to responding to your post probably in the next few hours.) Mitch Ames (talk) 09:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Mitch, your technical assistance is truly appreciated.

And certainly, you have my “Thanks” for your comprehensive answer about the posting situation.

Mitch, truly I not trying to bother you, but I am unclear about a linking situation.

Many times when using Google Chrome (web browser) I input the words; "vhemt" / "Vhemt" into Misplaced Pages's “Search” (inquiry box), it returns previous (outdated) versions of the VHEMT Article.

Can the "redirect" be fixed so that whenever anyone inputs "vhemt" / "Vhemt" (or other variants) into “Search” (inquiry box), then it will return (display) the current version of the VHEMT Article vs. an outdated version?

Is there an over-riding syntax command (computer science)? — one, that will cause all variants (acronyms / short-hand / long-hand*) to redirect to the current version.

• Long-hand: Voluntary human extinction movement (returns outdated version)

Once again, your technical (and editing) assistance is truly appreciated.

And “Thank You” for your response notification.

Wiki Regards,

Skyeking (talk) 15:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

I've not used Chrome, so I can't be specific, but it sounds like there's a problem with the browser not refreshing the cache. A short-term fix would be to force a refresh (how that's done is browser specific, and I don't know how to do it with Chrome). Probably best to ask at WP:RD/C or WP:VP/T. (I've not had this problem with Firefox.) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Mitch,

First, “Thank You” for your technical assistance — I (others) consider you the “go to guy” for technical assistance, and a “core editor” (stewardship WP:OAS) at the VHEMT Article.

I have confirmed that the technical error not related to any web-browser cache.

I tested the following web-browsers:

• Microsoft Internet Explorer
• Firefox
• Google Chrome
• Opera
• Maxthon 3

The result is always the same with all web browsers; something (someone) is “redirecting” the VHEMT Article to outdated versions — unless you specifically input “VHEMT” (Search box). Why?

Mitch, as you know, I only edit one Article, have limited technical experience, and a medical condition. So, my request is that you pursue the technical error about the “redirect” — otherwise, we not properly servicing Misplaced Pages.

My hope is that since you are a “core editor” you will volunteer to undertake that task.

If not volunteer, please explain why not — I merely trying to understand my fellow Editor.

As always, your technical assistance is truly appreciated.

Wiki Regards,

Skyeking (talk) 21:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Possibly you're connecting to Misplaced Pages through a proxy server, and that proxy server is caching pages and not updating the cache correctly. I have seen this occasionally with some web sites when I connect from the office. It happens with sufficiently few sites - none of them work-related - that it's not worth my hassling the IT people to fix the problem. The work-around is to use the "refresh" button on my browser. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

ANI

Just brought Skyeking/VHEMT talk page up at WP:ANI. Your comments are welcome. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks like Skyeking was indefinitely blocked. I just went through and made a few changes to the article, fairly minor stuff, I don't think I really removed anything of note. Feel free to make any changes you want, and then I'll re-nominate it for GA once it is finally stable. Then we can get the reviewer to point out potential issues and really move forward with it. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Alicia Gorey --> Loxley_Loxley-2012-02-19T11:26:00.000Z">

Are you going to change Alicia Gorey over to Alicia Loxley]]? There is enough references now to support the name change. Robbo128 07:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

We have one RFC response suggesting that we wait. The RFC has only been there for one day. I propose waiting a few days to see if we get any other feedback. Remember, WP:there is no deadline. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)_Loxley"> _Loxley">

VHEMT FAC

Hi Mitch, I was wondering if you could take a look at the VHEMT FAC. Nick-D made a comment about the group's impact. Do you know of any sources that describe their impact? I think most of the ones that I've read tend to assume the reader realized they have not had much success. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

My comments here. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh hey, I wanted to mention to you that you should feel free to nominate VHEMT at WP:TFAR anytime you want. I'm not opposed to it being TFA, but it's not something I'm particularly gripped by so I probably won't nominate it myself. Not sure how you feel, it's up to you though. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Best?

A re-write of Perth Waterfront Development has happened and has more of an overview of recent proposals - the The Esplanade (Perth) article is more specifically on the grass patch everyone seems to want to turn into a swamp as soon as possible... -I am not sure what is in the mind of other editors, but that was the idea as far as i can tell - the waterfront art to be overview of the whole dismal tale of filling in the northern side of the perth foreshore 1829 to date, the esplanade one about the area n which they wanna see the jellyfish come close to the terrace i suppose .. SatuSuro 12:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I presume you're referring to this edit to WP:Misplaced Pages Takes Perth Foreshore. At the time, I did a very quick search and found The Esplanade (Perth), which - at the time - did not include any link to Perth Waterfront Development. Of course, now it does. Both articles (or sections thereof) are a bit light on detail, and perhaps we need to link both from WP:Misplaced Pages Takes Perth Foreshore - or we need a specific more detailed article on the current proposal (assuming that this proposal meets WP:N). Mitch Ames (talk) 13:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The big issue about WTPF is the fine line between WP NOT and WP ABOUT and ultimately WP NPOV - the jellyfish vote and the premiers refusal to negotiate anything means that criticism of the proposal may be potentially inherent in anything being written about it from some points of view - as for current proposal I can only suggest an email exchange on that issue - cheers SatuSuro 13:36, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

The format of the wTPF page is a FYI for interested people needing to identify locations that are notable (and visual features) in the vicinity of/affected the main focus - the esplanade - (the earlier format of the Perth waterfront article before Moondyne's re-write was based on that - not a good way to do it- Moonynes format is excellent and much more a good article format) - there is no point in linking articles with a wikiTakes exercise.. -different category again SatuSuro 14:04, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

If the proposed changes to the waterfront are worth mentioning at all, they're worth linking. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:31, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

your comment at hobbs

also probably best to not even mention the development then at The Esplanade Kiosk anyones guess what might happen? SatuSuro 08:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Now I feel obliged to copy-edit that article .... Mitch Ames (talk) 09:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Well at least you admit your feelings in your edit summary (you feel obligated?) - so few do so well with such an eloquent way of putting it SatuSuro 12:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Two-party-preferred vote

What do you think of the current state of the article? Timeshift (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

See my latest post on that article's talk page. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:16, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Reverting without warning messages

Is pissing into the wind :) SatuSuro 12:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Viable "hide all images" options?

On ], you oppose the 'functional hatnote' per NOTCENSORED and WP:DISC . I just wanted to let you know that the functional hatnote was designed very much with NOTCENSORED and DISC in mind. Don't let the superficial similarity to the "instructional hatenote" fool you.

In particular:

• The functional hatnote never says which images are offensive. It doesn't warn about offense. It JUST provides an imageless version to those who want it.
• It treats all images absolutely equally. The calligraphy, the depictions, and the boring locations-- all treated the same.
• Putting it on this page does not mean that the images ARE offensive-- it just means that we know some people want the imageless-article link on that page.
• This solution is not Muhammad-specific. We could add "hide images" links to every single page, and it'd be okay. Most people would never use them, but our board and our editors would feel more confident defending NOTCENSORED if they could point to the "hide images button".

Can you think of any way we can "have our cake and eat it too"? That is, hide image for those readers who need it, so that we won't be pressured to delete images or create fancy image filters or anything like that.

It's not often we could solve an international dispute with two lines of javascript code. Our project will be a lot stronger if we can get an image hide button up and working.

If you can think of any way we could hide images that's still consistent with your wiki-values, it'd be a very valuable bargain. What if it wasn't a hatnote but was higher up in the user interface? What if it was on the sidebar instead? What if it was on every page, not just Muhammad? Or what if it could be enabled in preferences?

I cannot stomach the idea of us deleting images people object to... NOTCENSORED is why WP beat Britannica. But even I feel a little uneasy when we force semi-literate readers to learn about browser customization just to read an article. My grandparent's aren't up to browser customization, I'm sure the grandparents in other nations have an even greater difficulty. There's something a tad sadistic about sending newbies to giant pages of instruction written in a language they aren't even fluent in. I feel good about our stance on Muhammad, until I remember that for lots of readers, it will be THE first page they read, and they will hate us after they read it.

Some of that is avoidable. Let's work on how to avoid it. Until we find a solution to this, NOTCENSORED won't be truly safe. --HectorMoffet (talk) 09:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

My response is on the project page. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:10, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement is an environmental movement that calls for all people to abstain from reproduction to cause the gradual voluntary extinction of mankind. VHEMT supports human extinction primarily because it would prevent environmental degradation. The group states that a decrease in the human population would prevent a significant amount of man-made human suffering. The extinctions of non-human species and the scarcity of resources required by humans are frequently cited by the group as evidence of the harm caused by human overpopulation. VHEMT was founded in 1991 by Les U. Knight, an activist who became involved in the environmental movement in the 1970s and thereafter concluded that human extinction was the best solution to the problems facing the Earth's biosphere and humanity. Knight publishes the group's newsletter and serves as its spokesperson. Although the group is promoted by a website and represented at some environmental events, it relies heavily on coverage from outside media to spread its message. Many commentators view its platform as unacceptably extreme, though other writers have applauded VHEMT's perspective. In response to VHEMT, some journalists and academics have argued that humans can develop sustainable lifestyles or can reduce their population to sustainable levels. Others maintain that, whatever the merits of the idea, because of the human reproductive drive mankind will never voluntarily seek extinction. (more...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

remember to sign

when using talk pages SatuSuro 22:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

well what a good chance to edit it then! SatuSuro 22:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I am prepared to explain offline some of the problems with writing about something that the publicly available material from the proponents is problematic but not here - cheers SatuSuro 22:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

very wrong

try reading:

http://aeon.sro.wa.gov.au/Investigator/Details/Agency_Detail.asp?Entity=Global&Search=department%20of%20education&Op=All&Page=1&Id=1203&SearchPage=Global

http://aeon.sro.wa.gov.au/Investigator/Details/Agency_Detail.asp?Entity=Global&Search=education%20department&Op=All&Page=1&Id=12&SearchPage=Global

no need for any grr, just be mindful you have created a stub with the wrong title and no substance (hey I have done that few times) - cheers SatuSuro 13:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

So from all your edits this evening you gonna tell me that its not employment and training? - SRO has it as such - maybe you need to tell them.... SatuSuro 13:49, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Please include a link to the edit or article that you're referring when you "talk". Usually I can work it out from the context (in this case I presume we're talking about Department of Education (Western Australia)), but sometimes it's not so easy.

The cited website says "The Department of Education". I'm happy to accept that its "official" name might be "education and training", but does WP:COMMONNAME apply here? Perhaps the lead should say "Dept of Ed, (officially Dept of Ed and Training)"

... no grf ... - as always, I WP:AGF

Of course a stub has no substance - that's why it's a stub! Mitch Ames (talk) 14:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmm conundrum - I can see an argument for commonname, and also against - unfortunately I am about to leave off the computer for the night - otherwise I would have SRO'd and Troved the various earlier incarnations for a plumping of the stub - oh well - cheers - I have no answer to your query - sorry.. but at least the issue is aired so to speak... (if they call themselves the shorter name against what they have a legislated name - its the classic they're wrong scenario - nomenclature should never be left to the bimbos who work on websites - theyre like journos - dumbing it down to single syllables and 12 year old vocabs.. gnight SatuSuro 14:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

one last stab - I am wrong you are right! profuse apologis for cluttering your talk page again with such wasteful verbiage etc

yes they have dropped the training from websites across a range of authorities - they must have had something in parliament that has given them the right to call themselves that way - so somewhere in hansard in the last 20 months or so must have something about dropping the word... I am sure they cannot do it otherwise - bit like landgate and the previous 3 to 5 different trading names the lands department has had... oh well thats it im off SatuSuro 14:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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I need your valuable feedback!

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MRA and The River, The City, Together again

I bet someone is getting very good money to be very historically inaccurate - your perusal of the latest at the waterfront article would be appreciated SatuSuro 06:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

also are you any good at markup language for the white space that is needed between the bottom of the text and the large photo on the esplanade article? i simply added return return, but I think I might have seen you apply something better somewhere to maintain a reasonable space - anything too close between the photo and the text i think makes the last line to hard to read. cheers SatuSuro 07:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Possibly you're thinking of {{clear}}, but that doesn't apply here. I didn't there was a problem with the spacing in The Esplanade (Perth), and your 4 blank lines was overkill. I've . Mitch Ames (talk) 08:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

That was it - thanks for your response and you help - your attention to detail is always appreciated even if my tone sometimes is a bit squeeky on talk pages SatuSuro 09:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict

See User:Moondyne/Sandbox3. I'm happy to leave you alone if that's the path your heading down. If not, lets discuss. Moondyne (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm only making relatively minor changes - whereas the article actually needs a major rewrite, which it looks like you're doing. So I'll stop editing it for now, and let you finish first. It might be worth putting an explicit note on the Talk page that you are rewriting it, and/or {{Under construction}} (and edit on the page, rather than a sandblox). Either way, let me know when you've finished. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Its looking much better now. I'm happy to leave you to it. Moondyne (talk) 09:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

MRA website

Have a look - http://www.mra.wa.gov.au/Projects/Perth-Waterfront/About-the-Project/FAQs/ more weasel words and incongruent logic than I could ever muster up, that is for sure SatuSuro 11:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

The Wiggles

Hey Mitch, you might have noticed that I reverted your good faith edits to this article. I did it because as WP:CIT states, the type of citation styles used doesn't matter, as long as it's consistent. For this article, I used the templates at WP:CT; the titles are capitalised, regardless of the original source's use. All the major citation styles do that; they bypass the source's use for consistency sake. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with your interpretation of WP:CIT. My understanding of CIT is that makes the order of entries (URL, author name, title, date etc) and punctuation, consistent, not that it is intended to force a consistent capitalisation of titles. There is nothing in CIT that mentions changing capitalisation of a source's title. The only mention I can find is in MOS:CAPS which says that we should reduce all caps and small caps to title or normal case - but this does not apply in this case. MOS:CT says use title caps for composition titles, but I don't think most of these refs (eg news articles) could be considered "compositions". Can you provide a specific reference to a MOS page/section that says we should change the case of citation titles? The {{cite news}} example on WP:CT clearly does not capitalise words other than the first in the title. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)