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::It seems so, my mistake. However if you read the two articles both of them refer to current alumni of Royal College Colombo as Royalists (eg:Title: Royalist Ramith Rambukwella, Observer-Mobitel Most Popular Schoolboy Cricketer of the Year 2011). But when presented with students from Panadura Royal College in an attempt to distinguish, only in that single sentence in which both schools are mentioned (same in both articles) does the writer use the term Colombo Royalists. Therefore using these two single occurrences the editor has tried to generalize. Because even in these two articles, the term Colombo Royalists is not used when students of Royal College Colombo are concerned but their are refereed to as as Royalists. If you dont take my word, please do a simple search on Google on Royalists in Sri Lanka and see the out come. ] (]) 16:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC) ::It seems so, my mistake. However if you read the two articles both of them refer to current alumni of Royal College Colombo as Royalists (eg:Title: Royalist Ramith Rambukwella, Observer-Mobitel Most Popular Schoolboy Cricketer of the Year 2011). But when presented with students from Panadura Royal College in an attempt to distinguish, only in that single sentence in which both schools are mentioned (same in both articles) does the writer use the term Colombo Royalists. Therefore using these two single occurrences the editor has tried to generalize. Because even in these two articles, the term Colombo Royalists is not used when students of Royal College Colombo are concerned but their are refereed to as as Royalists. If you dont take my word, please do a simple search on Google on Royalists in Sri Lanka and see the out come. ] (]) 16:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
:::well, an IP . That is quite a coincidence and I do hope that it was not someone editing while logged out. I reverted them, pending some sort of consensus here. I'll try to take a look at the cited sources but right now I am hoping that all concerned can come to their senses with regard to the warring etc. If not then blocks are extremely likely in order to prevent continued disruption. - ] (]) 17:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


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This article is developing well. You need to focus on adding references to qualify for B class. There are rather too many lists and it would be best if they could be converted to prose wherever possible. Because of the prestige of the school and the distinguished alumni I am making this school top importance. Dahliarose (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit request

There's a bit of reverting going on, so I don't want to bury edits. Here are some that need doing:

  • Last sentence in lede has logical issues and needs an "among whom" or something
  • Lower case for "Public school", "Presidents", "Prime Minister", and many section headings
  • History section: image right per MOS
  • In popular culture: novels italics not bold

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Done, please let me know if I missed any. Cossde (talk) 11:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Contested move

This article should not be moved from Royal College, Colombo to Royal College Colombo. There is no correct name and the school is known by different names:

Given this conflict in the name, we should use the standard format used in similar Misplaced Pages articles which is School Name, Town.--obi2canibe 12:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Do with this what you will, but if anything I think Royal College (Colombo) would be the most MOS-compliant title, rather than Royal College, Colombo. --Bongwarrior (talk) 12:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Then in English language other Royal Colleges in Sri Lanka should be named for example:

Else Royal Colleges in Sri Lanka (including Royal College, Colombo - it is NOT situated in United Kingdom or a British school) can be named most MOS-compliant title:

  • Co/Royal College, Colombo - Not The Royal College of Colombo
  • Pan/Royal College, Panadura
  • Tel/Royal College, Telijjawila
  • Pol/Royal College, Polonnaruwa

Remember this is English language wikipedia and all of above colleges are situated in Sri Lanka not in United Kingdom, although they use Royal (First name of the school) in English. (Masu7 (talk) 02:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)).

Well, Masu7 the answer to your problem is the point stated by Obi2canibe (who it seems that you support): WP:COMMONNAME. Cossde (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Since apparently there is concern for a large number of articles, we can't discuss all of them here. I recommend that someone start an RfC on WT:WikiProject Sri Lanka to see if there is a wider consensus for a set of standardized names for all of these colleges. Whoever is interested will need to gather reliable sources to demonstrate what the names are. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No move. Cúchullain /c 18:22, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Royal College, Colombo → Royal College Colombo – As per the foundation stone (image) of Old Royal College Building which is currently the Department of Mathematics of the University of Colombo, this institution was refereed to as Royal College Colombo since 1911 based on this source (foundation stone). Therefore the article should be renamed accordingly. Cossde (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose This is one source from more than a century ago. This does not prove that Royal College Colombo is the school's common name. As the previous discussion shows, the school is known by a myriad of names. Therefore we should continue to use Royal College, Colombo as this is the standard format used in other Sri Lankan school articles.--obi2canibe 13:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
    • As you, your self has pointed out this is a source (written in stone) almost a century old. This proves the fact that the schools name was Royal College Colombo since at least 1911 (although its official since 1881). Therefore any variations there might be are over ruled as this proves that this was the name in use since time in memorial. Furthermore what is the basis for you to claim for the use of Royal College, Colombo as this is the standard format used in other Sri Lankan school articles ? Cossde (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
      • I'm not quite convinced by that stone—people sometimes tend to omit commas (as well as lowercase letters) when writing on stone. Ucucha (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
        • Well Ucucha, if you looked closely at the foundation stone you may notice the accurate punctuation marks where use in stating the name of the governor as well as a lower case letter as appropriate. Cossde (talk) 16:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Searching Google Books and Scholar reveals an overwhelming preference for the use of a comma in the title among reliable, secondary sources. WP:OFFICIALNAME carries less weight, even when carved in stone. Favonian (talk) 09:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

One name only

Royal College, Colombo is the article name, and so the lede and infobox should match, right? I gather that the page move discussion above means this. Can we get this sorted out here once and for all? I will make all three match. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I strongly suggest the use of Royal College Colombo as it is the name used by the college since 1881, as made evident in the discussion above and in the current stationary of the school. Unlike the foundation stone the stationary of the college can not be publicly disclosed in digital format without the permission of the college. Cossde (talk) 13:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
The section above closed with "Royal College, Colombo". In order for the infobox and lede to be change, first the article name must be changed. That was discussed and opposed. So, it looks like "Royal College, Colombo" unless consensus is reached here. Does that sound reasonable? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Taking note of your observations I edited the lead and inforbox based on the name used in the official website. Since Royal College is been used as common name in its web site and within Sri Lanka, the article name should be it and it would mean well with the current name to void contradiction with general phrase Royal College. Cossde (talk) 04:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

School naming issue

I have started a Request for Comment discussion at WP:WikiProject Schools regarding the proper name for this school and other related schools in Sri Lanka. I invite all interested editors to discuss the matter there, because I want to end the non-stop edit warring on these articles. The discussion can be found at WT:WikiProject Schools#Naming issue for public schools in Sri Lanka. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Royal College, Colombo

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Royal College, Colombo's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "BBC":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Royal College Colombo reliable sources denied by User:Cossde

Can it be explained why following real life reliable sources are being denied causing edit warning. Only peacock words are allowed for the edits done by User:Cossde ?. I think this is against the heart of Misplaced Pages. The said sources are freely available in real life on internet for any one to search.

  1. "Royal Class of '80 fetes past teachers".
  2. "Royal, Colombo and Dharmaraja post big wins".
  3. "WIJEWARDANA - M. UDITH NIRODHA".
  4. "Dr. Kumaraswamy Nandakumar A social and religious personality".
  5. "Show to beat all shows on Monday". 24 September 2011.

(Xe2oner (talk) 04:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC))

The answer to this is simple, srilankahockey.com is not a RS, and while the other could be considered as RS in the context of schools they can not be considered as RS simply because even the same paper has different forms of naming such as;

  1. The Sundayobserver refers to Royal College Colombo as Royal College, Colombo in these , while in this it refers to the college as Colombo Royal College .
  2. The Dailynews refers to Royal College Colombo as Royal College, Colombo in these , , while in these it refers to the college as Colombo Royal College , , when in these it is simple is referred to as Royal College , ,

Therefore in terns of the schools name these sources are "unreliable" in a naming context and hence can not be added here. Cossde (talk) 05:18, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Cossde, your position has absolutely zero basis in Misplaced Pages policy. Well, you're right that srilankahockey.com is not a reliable source. But the mere fact that the newspapers use multiple different versions is in fact what tells us that our article must use multiple different versions! There's no logic behind saying "because they aren't consistent in naming, therefore they aren't reliable with respect to naming." In fact, it shows that how the colleges are named depends on the individual writer, and thus shows that there are multiple names for these schools, which, in turn, shows us that our article must include all of the normally used names. Note that this is not addressing the issue of which name should be primary--that's a more difficult question, which requires determining which name is most prevalent, and does require us evaluating the quality of the sources. But so long as multiple names our used, our article must, too. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Fine in such as case a name section can be created to lists other names. Cossde (talk) 08:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

(Copied from User talk:Qwyrxian#Rajakeeya Maha Vidyalaya, Telijjawila) - I've looked at what you did and am unconvinced: it was repetitive, poorly phrased, had various problems with format/guidelines, and was pedantic regarding an obvious newspaper copyediting issue. After resolving those points, we seem to be left pretty much with a list of names ... which could just as well be shown in the more usual manner that I refer to above. I am not sure why it is you are being so resistant to the naming issue but burying it as you did is not appropriate even though I appreciate the attempt at compromise. - Sitush (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
There is no need for a separate section on names, and indeed short sections are deprecated. If the names can be sourced then they can be referenced in the opening sentence in the form of

Name of school per article title (also known as ABC or XYZ) ...

where the first name is that used in the article title and is consistent with WP:COMMONNAME. - Sitush (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Cossde your intentions are very clear and simple to understand. Nothing complex. It is either my way or no way attitude. You do not care about Misplaced Pages policies or complex rules all what you want is to have only one school that contains the word ROYAL in it's name in Sri Lanka and that is Royal College, Colombo. It is also claimed to be the only school that is got a Royal charter. All the rest of the schools are illegal and not qualified to have a wiki page even with real life references are added. This is the simple answer but a disgrace to all of the Misplaced Pages editorial community. If User:Cossde can prove that Royal College, Colombo is situated in United Kingdom it will some how be claimed. But the intelligent readers and editors know that is situated in Colombo Sri Lanka. (Xe2oner (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC))

I don't think that there is a reason for responding to this rhetoric of Xe2oner. Cossde (talk) 13:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

College name

Xe2oner's last edits on the section college name, I will remove even though their are sourced, per WP:COMMONNAME the " most common name for a subject" in this case the names "Royalists" or "Old Royalists" are commonly used to refer to alumni of Royal College Colombo in Sri Lanka. This would be proven from a simple Google search of these names in a Sri Lankan context. Therefore per WP:POVTITLE: "When the subject of an article is referred to mainly by a single common name, as evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language reliable sources" use of "Colombo Royalist" would be inaccurate.Cossde (talk) 13:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted you. I have no particular opinion regarding the content but what has WP:POVTITLE got to do with a note in a section? The links that you refer to relate to article titles. Please continue discussing. - Sitush (talk) 13:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Please could you note my comment here. I've no idea if the purpose and convention of talk page usage has passed people by, but if a topic is controversial then you should continue discussion and not merely state your view & then impose it on the article. There seems to be a lot of wikilawyering going on, so I am bemused that those who claim knowledge of all the various policies etc that they cite are unaware of this basic standard. Please remember that WP:CONSENSUS is a core policy. - Sitush (talk) 14:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
It seems so, my mistake. However if you read the two articles both of them refer to current alumni of Royal College Colombo as Royalists (eg:Title: Royalist Ramith Rambukwella, Observer-Mobitel Most Popular Schoolboy Cricketer of the Year 2011). But when presented with students from Panadura Royal College in an attempt to distinguish, only in that single sentence in which both schools are mentioned (same in both articles) does the writer use the term Colombo Royalists. Therefore using these two single occurrences the editor has tried to generalize. Because even in these two articles, the term Colombo Royalists is not used when students of Royal College Colombo are concerned but their are refereed to as as Royalists. If you dont take my word, please do a simple search on Google on Royalists in Sri Lanka and see the out come. Cossde (talk) 16:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
well, an IP has just removed it. That is quite a coincidence and I do hope that it was not someone editing while logged out. I reverted them, pending some sort of consensus here. I'll try to take a look at the cited sources but right now I am hoping that all concerned can come to their senses with regard to the warring etc. If not then blocks are extremely likely in order to prevent continued disruption. - Sitush (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Other schools with name ROYAL not suitable to be on Wiki ?

Can it be explained why other schools that has word ROYAL on name are considered by User:Cossde either must have a differnet name, are illegal in Sri Lanka or not suitable to be on Misplaced Pages (once it was proposed by this editor to be deleted).

It is common sense that though below schools have word ROYAL on the name none have links to Royal College Colombo.

Some of the sites are:

Also the same editor proposed Battle of the Greens to be deleted ignoring all relaible sources. This is a true and sheer act against the heart of Misplaced Pages and an insult to other editorial community that has common sense.(Xe2oner (talk) 04:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)).

I'm sorry Xe2oner this is not the correct talk page for this. Please take these discussions to the relevant pages. Cossde (talk) 05:18, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

No need to be sorry User:Cossde. Your intentions are very simple to understand. No need to write pages and pages. Only one school that contains the word ROYAL in it's name in Sri Lanka and that is Royal College, Colombo is the simple rule.(Xe2oner (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)).

discussions to the relevant pages are here (Xe2oner (talk) 00:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC))

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