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I concur. Having dealt with Ali for quite some time, I'm under impression that his intentions are basically good, but he's sort of autistic; he never communicated anything back, nor acknowledged that he understood numerous explanations and warnings. Unfortunately, competence is required, so he should be formally or informally treated as banned, with edits rolled back regardless of merit (because of their sheer volume). Unfortunately, he's just a time-waster. ] (]) 06:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC) I concur. Having dealt with Ali for quite some time, I'm under impression that his intentions are basically good, but he's sort of autistic; he never communicated anything back, nor acknowledged that he understood numerous explanations and warnings. Unfortunately, competence is required, so he should be formally or informally treated as banned, with edits rolled back regardless of merit (because of their sheer volume). Unfortunately, he's just a time-waster. ] (]) 06:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
:Technically, he did unswered once while he was still on his first account. I complained with him why he changed all Bosnian names to an Arab form which is not used in Bosnian (exemple, Abdulah to Abdullah) and this is what he answered to me:
:"''I will get with this because the correct spelling is Abdullah everywhere. In Bosnia it is not spelled Abdulah necessarily. It depends some people who are educated spell Abdullah in Bonsia. So there for whit me changing it to Abdullah there will be changes in Bosnia with people spelling correctly. And i don't know what you mean by Arabiztion now you are talking bullshit. Abdullah is always spelled with double LL correctly, there is no such thing as Bosnian Abdulah, it is Abdullah and Muhammed in Bosnia''."
:Beside this one, he made two more unsigned comments on that discussion which are easily recognisable by his narrative style. That discussion ended in his first ever block, as he failed to provide a source to confirm any of his name changes, he simply ignored LadyofShallot and me, said "''Thaanks bye bye''" to us, and continued doing his stuff... Just as info, I beleave that he is not a Bosnian native but he is deeply focused on Bosnian subjects. ] (]) 03:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


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Ali Muratovic

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Report date April 18 2010, 07:48 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by IcarusVsSun

Fairly obvious duck. Besides the incredibly similar usernames, both accounts (and IPs) all edit the exact same articles in the exact same ways. For example:

  • "Correcting" Arabic names.
  • Removing citation requests without adding a source.
  • Changing ethnicity on biographies to state Bosnian/Bosniak, rather than Serb/Croat, without a source.
  • Adding unnecessary italics to sections of articles.

IcarusVsSun (talk) 07:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


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Checkuser request – code letter: E (Community ban/sanction evasion )
Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.    Requested by IcarusVsSun (talk) 07:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

 Clerk endorsed based primarily on the name's of the accounts, the editing times, the creation of articles without references, and the displayed interest of both accounts in regard to names, I'm endorsing this to check the link between them. I also note that both accounts have been involved at least a little bit in editing articles about Australian footballers. Spitfire 17:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

 Likely that the accounts are related. No comment on the IPs. --Deskana (talk) 20:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

information Administrator note Blocked and tagged per duck and technical evidence. I'm going to leave the IPs alone. They haven't been active in the last few days. It's likely their IP changed. Hopefully autoblock will help. Elockid 17:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
This case has been marked as closed. It will be archived after its final review by a Clerk or Checkuser.
Report date May 8 2010, 06:49 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by 124.185.6.208

Duck case. Editing the same set of articles in the same manner. Also, very similar usernames (both accounts are Slavic-Muslim names).

Similar edits include:

  • Removing specific cultures from articles about cuisine, while leaving "Bosnian/Bosniak" intact.
  • "Correcting" Arabic names.
  • Removing citation requests without adding a source.
  • Changing ethnicity on biographies to state Bosnian/Bosniak, rather than Serb/Croat, without a source.
  • Adding unnecessary italics to sections of articles.
  • Editing articles about Australian cities, and adding/editing unsourced information about demographics.

The user has used many different IPs to evade the indefinite block on his main account. Muratovic has also had a recent sockpuppet account of his blocked, Ali Osmanovic (talk · contribs). This new account, Hadi Mahmutovic, was created only a few days after Osmanovic was indef blocked.

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Checkuser request – code letter: E (Community ban/sanction evasion )
Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.    Requested by 124.185.6.208 (talk) 06:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

 Confirmed. Brandon (talk) 18:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

information Administrator note Blocked and tagged. Elockid 23:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

This case has been marked as closed. It will be archived after its final review by a Clerk or Checkuser.
10 September 2012
Suspected sockpuppets


I'm noting this here after observing a pattern of edits that has previously been identified by User:No such user as this sockmaster's anonymous sockpuppets.

The pattern is the same - the apparent love of Bosnia coupled with a hate of WP:REDLINKs - and the ISP - Telstra's 58.160.0.0/12 block, while these recent IPs actually match the same /23 block.

Does anyone disagree with this assessment? If not, should we employ some harsher measures when they appear? They produce a lot of changes, not all of which are abusive, but it's a fair bit of work to verify them all for the abusive parts. It's especially troubling that they seem to have a propensity to edit WP:BLPs. -- Joy (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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I agree with User:Joy. About a year ago there was a pattern of matching edits from the different IPs above. The similarity suggested that they were sockpuppet accounts. Denisarona (talk) 17:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I concur. Having dealt with Ali for quite some time, I'm under impression that his intentions are basically good, but he's sort of autistic; he never communicated anything back, nor acknowledged that he understood numerous explanations and warnings. Unfortunately, competence is required, so he should be formally or informally treated as banned, with edits rolled back regardless of merit (because of their sheer volume). Unfortunately, he's just a time-waster. No such user (talk) 06:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Technically, he did unswered once while he was still on his first account. I complained with him why he changed all Bosnian names to an Arab form which is not used in Bosnian (exemple, Abdulah to Abdullah) and this is what he answered to me: Diff
"I will get with this because the correct spelling is Abdullah everywhere. In Bosnia it is not spelled Abdulah necessarily. It depends some people who are educated spell Abdullah in Bonsia. So there for whit me changing it to Abdullah there will be changes in Bosnia with people spelling correctly. And i don't know what you mean by Arabiztion now you are talking bullshit. Abdullah is always spelled with double LL correctly, there is no such thing as Bosnian Abdulah, it is Abdullah and Muhammed in Bosnia."
Beside this one, he made two more unsigned comments on that discussion which are easily recognisable by his narrative style. That discussion ended in his first ever block, as he failed to provide a source to confirm any of his name changes, he simply ignored LadyofShallot and me, said "Thaanks bye bye" to us, and continued doing his stuff... Just as info, I beleave that he is not a Bosnian native but he is deeply focused on Bosnian subjects. FkpCascais (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  • This sockmaster has been inactive for years, he has nearly no known socks, and most of these IP addresses are inactive or blocked. It's therefore very difficult to agree with your determination of socking. Probably better is that any obviously disruptive editing of articles Ali is known to edit be dealt with by non-SPI blocks. I'm sorry that we can't really help here, but thanks for your submission. AGK 20:01, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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