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v t e About me my wiki history This user is... err... Halibutt, or at least thinks so. 36k+ This user has made more than 36k contributions to Misplaced Pages.  0.068%  This user has created 4,748 of the 6,940,972 articles on the English language Misplaced Pages. This user has been on Misplaced Pages for 21 years, 1 month and 20 days. This user is a member of the Polish military history task force of WikiProject Military history. This user is a map maker languages - This user is a translator and proofreader from Polish to English on Misplaced Pages:Translation. - This user is a translator and proofreader from Spanish to English on Misplaced Pages:Translation. pl Polszczyzna jest językiem ojczystym tego użytkownika. en-3 This user can contribute with an advanced level of English. es-2 Este usuario puede contribuir con un nivel intermedio de español. ru-2 Этот участник неплохо знает русский язык. la-1 Hic usor simplici latinitate contribuere potest. pt-1 Este usuário/utilizador pode contribuir com um nível básico de português. it-1 Questo utente può contribuire con un livello semplice di italiano. be-1 Гэты ўдзельнік/гэтая ўдзельніца ведае беларускую мову на пачатковым узроўні. uk-1 Користувач може робити внесок українською мовою на початковому рівні. cs-1 Tento uživatel má základní znalosti češtiny. de-0 Dieser Benutzer hat keine Deutschkenntnisse. AmE-0 This user dislikes American 'English' (common grammatical and spelling errors mistaken for dialect). ... This user would like to be able to speak more languages. about me This user lives in Warsaw. This user is Central European. Coffee first, work later. This user is nocturnal. GMT ? This user's time zone depends on whenever he decides to get up today. POEM This user has had one of his poems published. SHORT STORY This user has had one of his/her short stories published. This user has published a book. MAGAZINE This user has had his work published in a magazine. ACADEMIC JOURNAL This user has had his/her work published in an academic journal. interests This user is a history aficionado. This user enjoys reading anything. This user has a camera and won't hesitate to use it This user collects ducks. All kinds of ducks. This user prefers snail-mail and knows how to use a quill This user is an armchair general fps-3 This user is an advanced serial killer. Fancy a play? This user would like to be a humanist. This user used to be a scout. This user's homeworld is mostly harmless. Ceci n'est pas une boîte utilisateur. This user is from Camelot, and eats ham and jam and spamalot! other stuff This user contributes using Firefox. This user prefers cold weather. This user barely ever goes out bareheaded. This user supports the European Union.

Even better PLC map

Could you create a more detailed Image:Rzeczpospolita voivodships.png, with as many details as the map in Dzikie Pola 2nd edition? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Mapy znowu

Polish-Muscovy War (1605-1618) approaches FAC and I'd love to have some map before that. I think your basic map of Commwealth with locations and dates of main battles would be sufficient. Can you do it? Btw, you may find this page of mine of interest: . --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Zaznacz tyle, na ile masz czasu. Idealnie, osobne mapki i jedna zbiorcza bylaby najlepsza, ale zrobisz tyle, na ile masz czas. Nie kojarze nazw 'Carowo Zajmiszcze' i 'Nowodziewicze Pola', ale poszukam - tylko daj mi znac jaki to byl konflikt :) Aha, z twojego starego campaignboxa o Dymitriadach usunałem Humienno i Sasowy Róg - to były bitwy kamapnii Mołdawskiej (Moldavian Magnate Wars). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

If we can't find the info, perhaps we can ask our Russian friends from the board for help? They should know Russia geography better then we. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Juz sie slinie :) Legende przesunalbym gdzies indziej, by Moskwe bylo dobrze widac. Nie moge znalezc zadnej mapki online Dymitriad, ale ide przeszukac atlasy i takie tam :) Jak cos znajde, zeskanuje i podesle ci. A mapka DP piekna jest, zaprawde :) Chocby dla niej warto podrecznik kupic :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:59, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

As I hoped, we can have help here. User:KNewman offered to find those places, and indeed, he found where Tsarovo is. See User_talk:Piotrus#Your_request_for_help and here  :) Just ask them for all other places you are not sure, and we should have data for great map soon :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Zobacz Image:Polen 1921-1939.png i Image:Polen Galizien Wolhynien.png. Gosciu - chyba Niemiec robiacy mapki na niemiecka wiki - on chyba nie wie o twoich mapkach. Moze mozecie sobie wzajemnie pomoc w robieniu mapek, no i nie duplikowac swojej pracy. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 13:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Ukraina i poludnie sa dosc malo wazne dla Dymitriad. Albo po prostu wypchnac legende na jakis bok i tym samym rozszerzyc format mapki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Found a printed (but in English) atlas, ed. Czapliński i Ładogórski ~1980. Zeskanuje i wysle ci wkrotce co sie da, niestety, nie miesci sie do mojego skanera. Goraco polecam jesli jeszcze nie masz! Na zbiorczej mapie jest tez mapa wojny 1609-1612, widze Tsarovo, Mozhajsk i inne bitwy :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Any chance for a map of the Polish-Muscovy War? It is one of two things I think this article needs before it can be FACed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Mapka Dymitriady beta

Super :) Przydał yby się strzałki - szlaczki, i daty bitew. Moze trzy-cztery rodzaje (kolory?) szlaczkostrzałków dla odpowiednich podkampanii (1dym, 2dym, wojna 1609-1612, wojna 1616-17). Aha, zerknij tez na talk artykułu - wyguglałem gdzieś jeszcze z trzy miejsca, które moglby być warte naniesienia - gdyby ktoś to potwierdził :) Jak tylko będzie mapka, nominuje artykul do FACa :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

O przycięciu też myślałem, dobry pomysł. I faktycznie, najlepiej przyjąć granice sprzed Dywilna, zazanczyć zmiany terytorialne z dywilna jakims polski-ruskimi kreskami (zielono-rózowe), i darować sobie kreski/odcinenie na innych obszarach. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Treaty of Dywilino + mapka z Dzikich Pól (skan na mojej stronie) powinny dać odpowiedź :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Map skills

Halibutt, I know you have a rep for map making. I was wondering if there is any chance you could potentially do a GPL version of the Image:GhettosinPoland.gif (right), perhaps even combined with Image:Massdeportations.gif, or other information that might be useful. It would be very useful for the FA candidacy of History of the Jews in Poland, and potentially elsewhere as well. If you don't have time, that is fine, but I thought I would ask. --Goodoldpolonius2 01:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

partition of poland maps?

why have u ignored this and continue to do so for months? when your maps are shown to be completely wrong Jadger 02:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Polish Secret State#Intro

FYI.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Batory

Good job, although it is still far from FAC level. But at least it is no longer a stub - tnx. The monarch I am slowly working on is Władysław IV Waza - I am afraid I don't have that much material on Batory for now.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:45, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Mniam :) Btw, I cannot see 'edit section' button on your talkpage - you may want to fix it (somehow...).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

E-mail

Have you checked your e-mail lately? I had something of a sensitive nature to discuss and I didn't want to leave it on this page, because Misplaced Pages discussion pages show up on Google ;)--Joe 17:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Citation needed w Cieszyn

Witam. Nie wiesz o co chodziło tej osobie, która podważyła fakt inwazji Czechosłowacji na Śląsk Cieszyński w 1919 roku? Czy to jest część tej "wojny polsko-ruskiej" co mi się ostatnio o uszy obiło? Czy moja riposta w Talk:Cieszyn jest wystarczająca, żeby skasować {{fact}} z tego artykułu? Aha i czy Euroregion Cieszyn Silesia nie ma złej kategorii? Zdravim, D T G 19:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

False Friends of the Slavist

Please have a look at wikibooks:False Friends of the Slavist. With your language skills, you can help us very much there, though there is not too much to be done. See also wikibooks:Talk:False Friends of the Slavist for details on what is still needed. Thanks in advance! --Daniel Bunčić 18:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:POLMIL

Hi Halibutt, I know just the thing. There are a few cases where a number of Polish wars are squeezed into a single article. Maybe we could break them out into their own articles.

• Great Turkish War
• Northern Wars
• Moldavian Magnate Wars

Appleseed (Talk) 15:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

your maps

Hey Halibutt, I have always admired your maps and was wondering what program you use? as they are very nice looking and could be useful if all users use a similar system. please respond on my user page --Jadger 01:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Zdjęcia

Cześć. Oczywiście! Chętnie zapraszam do skorzystania ze zdjęć. Jestem zaszczycony :). Podoba mi się Twoje określenie (sarkastyczne) Polaków :)). --Vegalabs 21:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Leopolitans

... is still huge and disproportinate to the rest of the article. Do you really mind spinning it off to a separate article and wikilink it? Several people think so (see this and this). Are you still persisting? --Irpen 00:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Lwów oraz Kresy Wschodnie

Pozdrawiam. Spojrzałem na ten artykuł, wygląda fajnie, dodałem tylko jeden szablon "fact". Stworzyłem wczoraj też jakieś pieńki dotyczące miast dzisiejszej Ukrainy, dawniejszych polskich Kresów Wschodnich, jak np. Rawa Ruska, Podhajce lub Dolina. Jeśli będziesz kiedyś potrzebował pomocy lub będziesz chciał, żebym stworzył dalsze takie pieńki, to daj wiedzieć. - Darwinek 09:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Epigon

Well, regarding your maps, first thing is talking to him and explaining what GDFL license is about. I told him about the Gajl template and that not is using it is a copyvio. Let's see what is his reply.

In other news, are you following Talk:Camps for Russian prisoners and internees in Poland (1919-1924)? Your knowledge of Cyrillic would be appreciated there.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

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1926 Polish copyright act

Z Image:Breguet 14 Kijów.jpg: "As such it falls under the 1926 copyright act, almost identical to the 1952 act." - mimo wszystko to jest znacząca róznica, i przydałaby się osobna template dla tych zdjęć. Inna sprawa - jeśli zdjęcie jest z 1920, to niezależnie chyba od tego kiedy było opublikowane, jest już w public domain chyba? A jak tam postęp z obroną PolishPD?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

No, but I'll ask. Any chance you cna fix your talk page? It's really annoying that one cannot find the section edit buttons here...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Zapytałem się tu, tu, i na pl-wiki - zobaczymy, czy ktoś odpowie. A co do twojej strony, to ja w mojej Mozilli widzę straszne rzeczy: babel po lewej, archiwa i ToC na samym dole, edit linki zebrane w rządek na samym dole. To w sumie problem który widziałem na twoich stronach od kilku miesięcy, przynajmniej (i chyba nie jestem jedyny który o tym ci pisał)?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Są pierwsze odpowiedzi na forach.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Co do strony, to nie mam praktycznie nic zmodyfikowane. Problem nr 1 to długość twoich szablonów archiwów i babel jest większa niż długośc strony; przeniesienie archiwów nad babel nieco polepsza sprawę, ale dalej długi ToC z prawej i Babel z lewej to dość wypaczają. Przeniesienie Babel na userpage mogłoby duuużo pomóc.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki in sound file license template

A user has transferred a bunch of your sound files to svwiki, so I transferred User:Halibutt/ogg - sv:Mall:Halibutt ogg - and added interwiki both here and there. To the best of my understanding, this must be correctly handled - right? Please tell me if there is something you would like to add! (The user labelled your files PD at svwiki, but we will have that fixed. Don't worry.) // Habj 20:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree Commons would be a better idea, but since this user already uploaded them at svwiki... // Habj 22:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Pulkownik

What do you think about a proposal to merge Pulkownik, Polkovnyk, and Polkovnik into one article? See: Talk:Polkovnyk. Thanks. 03:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Jadger, Mokra, PSC, and references

What do you think about Talk:Battle of Mokra? He has a point that controversial info needs to be referenced.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Mam rację czy nie?

User talk:Aotearoa from Poland#Polish money images. Jest to o tyle pilne, że jak A. będzie kasował tagi, to wcześniej czy później jakiś bot wszystko pokasuje... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Prawo autorskie

Zasadniczo mam dostep, ale nie w tym momencie, bo od paru tygodni cierpię na problemy z nowym windowsem XP, w związku z czym jeszcze nie próbowałem instalować sobie Lexa (w którym to chyba było). Na razie spróbuję jutro sprawdzić w pracy. Tak na marginesie, rzuć może okiem na moje stare "przemyślenia" na temat tych przepisów na pl:Dyskusja_Wikipedii:Prawa_autorskie - tak na dobrą sprawę nie możemy wiedzieć, czy faktycznie te zdjęcia nie są chronione, to jedynie domniemanie z tego, że ukazały się bez copyrightu... Pibwl ] 18:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Mam te ustawy, poszly do Halibutta na gmaila.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

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Soviet treatment

Users Halibutt and Irpen should rejoice at this splendid news. In order to have an informative analysis of Soviet policies in occupied Poland during 1939-1941 I acquired a throughout scholary work on this issue, mainly Educational policy in occupied eastern areas of the Second Polish Republic in 1939-1941 by doctor Elżbieta Trela-Mazur(here are her qualifications and the publication Forms of constraint applied by the Soviet authorities in relation to the people of Wilejka region by renoknown scholar of Slavic studies in Wrocław Professor Franciszek Sielicki. Both publications present an excellent analysis of Soviet occupation and are full of various interesting data. --Molobo 22:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ciągle

Trwają próby wymazania informacji o zbrodniach w Złoczewie dokonanych przez German_17th_Infantry_Division. Jeśli możesz od czasu do czasu zerknąc na ten artykuł byłbym wdzięczny. --Molobo 17:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Tak, trzeba uratować go. Dr. Dan 18:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

How come no "English please...", to Pan Molobo. Dr. Dan 18:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC) p.s. Ciągle, does best describe Pan Molobo's twisting of facts.

Chechnyan templates

See the discussion on the templates' talk pages, in particular Template talk:User independent Chechnya#Deletion. In a nutshell, both templates clearly serve no useful Misplaced Pages-related purpose. They are both about advocating causes which are external to Misplaced Pages and which no amount of editing on Misplaced Pages can bring about. The nature of the external conflict also means that the templates can easily become nothing more than flame bait, as demonstrated by the recent edit war. If someone wants to air their opinion about the situation in Chechnya, they can do so on their own blog or website. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox. We're all far better off without those templates. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 21:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you are wrong. Inflammatory templates can be deleted without further discussion (WP:CSD#T1). But in this case, there was discussion; see the talk page link above. In addition, deleting the templates served the additional purpose of ending the present edit war. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 21:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

How exactly have I taken sides in a conflict here? Deleting a template that does nothing but cause strife is completely neutral: everybody who was involved in the edit war over this template is now in exactly the same situation, nobody has any advantage. If I had protected it, one side would be bound to complain about m:The Wrong Version being protected. You have to admit it's a rather neat solution. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 22:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest that recreating these templates at this time would be viewed by many as intentional disruption of Misplaced Pages, and would therefore be likely to get you blocked. Consider carefully before you act. Kelly Martin (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt, as far as this template is concerned would you mind me telling you what I think of it? I think, it is a no brainer because we have a policy on that: What can I not have on my user page?. Quote:

"Examples of unrelated content include:

• Personal statements that could be considered polemical, such as opinions on matters unrelated to Misplaced Pages

... if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be moderated."

Certainly the symbols that call for partitioning, or let me put it softer, "violating the territorial integrity" of this or that country fall under the both "polemical" and "disruptive" categories. At the same time, I thought that I won't interfere if you want to keep the content that is likely to be seen inflammatory by some of your other fellow editors. You, however, are wrong to complain that people get annoyed by that. This is exactly the reaction you should have expected. At the same time, I disagree with the template deletion anyway because it is useless as it can be, if not recreated, then replicated at the userpage. Just like it was done by user:Duca when his template was deleted, he just pasted its content to the user page directly. Not that there is anything wrong with wishing Chechens well. It's just that there are less controversial ways and places to do it. What one thinks is a call for freedom, others have reasons to think is a call for partition. Think of it this way: What was the OUN's pre-war mission in the Western Ukraine? BTW, they also called it a freedom fight and, besides, in a way they were right. For Poles, however, that was a call for dismemberment. It is just an example how people can see things differently, or at least insensitive, depending on the background. Whether Jimbo will consider taking actions against users who do that is up to him. IMO, removing such stuff is a good idea anyway since it just makes people's working together more difficult. Having said that, give another thought to your user page content if see what I say as possibly reasonable. --Irpen 04:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing to my attention the Filaret's, Chernivtsi and Verkhovna Rada articles being unreferenced. I was surprised to see your interest in Filaret and other relatively obscure Ukrainian topics is so big that you are worried about his articles to a degree that you put a template calling to make them better. I am sure that you got to it not by stalking me or looking for the articles I wrote in order to somehow "retaliate" for the unrelated article's disputes but because you are genuinely interested in improving of the coverage of this notable church hierarch, notable building by Zabolotny (a great building by a great architect BTW) and an educational institutions in western Ukraine that was Austrian, Romanian and Ukrainian (but never Polish). I only hope that you are equally happy with my bringing to yours and communities attention some articles also lacking references or making some rather unobvious claims.

If (only if) your goal was to simply, god forbid, have my hands full with spending time on filling the "cite:book", "cite:web", "cite:news" and other templates instead of editing articles from which you want to expunge me, please just say so. I hope you don't mind that I just added the requests for references to several articles that you happened to have written (the latter is a bare coinsidence of course).

OTOH, I really have other things to do than to recite the info that every schoolboy in Ukraine and Russia knows (when you and others inappropriately saturated with tags the Kievan Rus and Cossack articles calling for sources of the info that most schoolchildren know in Ukraine). I hoped to call you all to reason at talk:Cossack abouth the ethics of such frivolous tagging but apparently, I failed to convince you yet. Any article can be disrupted by frivolous cite calls and any number of tags can be added to any article. With the number of unsourced articles you wrote and unsourced claims you made are you now going to put your editing aside and start referencing every claim you made in the articles to this day? If so, it is only fare from you to demand others to do the same. If not, please give it a thought one more time. Using "calls for citations" to simply get an upper hand in topical disputed is extremely unrpoductive (as well as image copyright issues which lef-appointed WP copyright police). --Irpen 05:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Chełm

Can you record a voice sample for Chełm? That would be lovely, Thank you Roeeyaron 23:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Polgish

Forgive my Polgish. I have a very high regard for you and you contributions. I couldn't resist using your admonition to two Lithuanian editors who were making exchanges in the Lithuanian language, on the Lithuania article, or was it the Lithuanian National Anthem, (I've been going back a year or so, to see how the game has been played, and by whom). Your interjection was "English please." Thought you'd appreciate the irony. Besides, I'm sure that Pan Molobo can handle himself without the help he's seeking from some network, inspite of his fears and lack of confidence in himself. Dr. Dan 01:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC) Geez what is the most irritating thing Westerns do is calling everybody "Pan". Please stop it as it is very archaic and ridicolous. Also I wonder why all people that discuss with me never bring any scholary sources but throughout analysis of my personality. --Molobo 02:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Guess why, Molobo?!

Pan is archaic? Pan is ridiculous? What do you prefer, Comrade maybe? Jeez, BTW, comes from Jesus, and I thought you were a proud Atheist. How about guzik, wouldn't that be more comfortable and appropriate. Dr. Dan 02:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Pan is archaic? Pan is ridiculous? Yes it is. Only in special formal occasions it is used. Just take a word of advice from native speaker. You don't use it in casual talk when adressing other people. Jeez, BTW, comes from Jesus, and I thought you were a proud Atheist. I am neither proud or shy about it, however I see no reason not to use words associated with my cultural heritage(just like Fallaci btw). Btw Is this a dating agency ? I feel like it sometimes with all those questions about my beliefs, personal life, views, and psychology. Perhaps you should stick to discussing articles ok ? --Molobo 03:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Pan is not archaic and I shall defend honorificative forms of the Polish language till the last drop of blood in my veins :) I call my colleagues pan or panna and consider it a standard procedure. Other than that, gentlemen, please take your chatter out of my talk page. Not that I really had anything against it, but it seems to me it's a dispute between you two and your talk pages would be even better for contacting each other. Or am I wrong? //Halibutt 05:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You are not wrong, on two points, 1. Pan is not archaic, and 2. the chatter shouldn't be on your talk page. Sorry Dr. Dan 15:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You speak Russian a bit?

Could you translate what this poster has written on it: http://www.rustrana.ru/articles/7198/polsha-z.jpg I would be most gratefull. --Molobo 02:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

And if you want to have fun a bit The insolent predatory plans of Polish rebels and European interference worried Russian society. Just one sentence on how peace loving tsar was attacked by hatefull Polish Catholics and tried all he could to bring peace in 1861 Uprising. This was btw given by one of Russian contributors as a site devoted to unity of "Slavic people". Have a good night. --Molobo 02:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Finnish CoA

You got me wrong. You can upload any version you like to anywhere. However, please do not overwrite my work. It is a part of a bigger project (check it here and you're not helping it with your work. You can pick any other location for the file you create, why use the one that's already taken? //Halibutt 16:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, now the corrected vesion is saved with another name, and used in the Finland article, where there were opposition (on talk) against your original version: 1 - the pointrd bottom (a clear error), 2 - the "artsy" reflection, which we believe doesn't fit in the infobox. Usually corrected versions are loaded over old ones, but I had no idea of your larger project. Greetings, --Janke | Talk 09:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes (This text is in Polish)

Trzeba coś zrobić z polityką dotyczącą Userboxów. Nie może być tak, że Userbox za niepodległą Czeczenią jest traktowany jako szerzenie nienawiści, a np. za Serbską Republiką Krajina czy Krajem Basków - nie. Skoro administratorzy nie chcą się zgodzić na przywrócenie Userboxów - pozostaje zwrocić się z prośbą o usunięcie WSZYSTKICH userboxów dotyczących polityki regionalnej (albo nawet wszystkich dotyczących polityki). Co myślisz o tym? Pozdrawiam Jasra 09:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

New slander

Pan Halibutt, your calling me a "nationalist" on the pages of other editors is outrageous. The only nationalists posting on this page are yourself and Molobo. I've asked you to restrain your nationalism and Russophobia too many times to count. As you seem to ignore my admonitions and WP:CIVIL, please remember that your rudeness may get you blocked. --Ghirla 10:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

My reply to Ghirlandajo was posted at his talk page, though it was deleted the following minute. //Halibutt 14:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, if Ipren won't do anything (see my comments at User_talk:Irpen#List_of_Leopolitans), I'll pursue an RfA for him as stated. I hate wasting time on such things, but if current Ghirla 'cycle of activity' continues to approach old Zvin (in terms of wasting my time with the need to rv his vandalism) I'll chose the lesser of two evils and bring his case to the community. I hope he will come to his senses and stop being a pest (I don't think he would ever apologise...) but if not, than he is going to reap what he saw. Btw: either your page is fixed or it's a problem with my comp/Mozilla (I am using Firefox at another comp and your talk page is just fine now).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

For some excellent thoughts on the nature of nationalism, I warmly recommend Orwell's Notes on Nationalism. It seems to apply very well to some contributors. I quote a few relevant excerpts.

A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist -- that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating -- but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the upgrade and some hated rival is on the downgrade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also -- since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself -- unshakeably certain of being in the right.

Some traits of a nationalist:

OBSESSION. As nearly as possible, no nationalist ever thinks, talks, or writes about anything except the superiority of his own power unit. It is difficult if not impossible for any nationalist to conceal his allegiance. The smallest slur upon his own unit, or any implied praise of a rival organization, fills him with uneasiness which he can relieve only by making some sharp retort. If the chosen unit is an actual country, such as Ireland or India, he will generally claim superiority for it not only in military power and political virtue, but in art, literature, sport, structure of the language, the physical beauty of the inhabitants, and perhaps even in climate, scenery and cooking. He will show great sensitiveness about such things as the correct display of flags, relative size of headlines and the order in which different countries are named. Nomenclature plays a very important part in nationalist thought.

Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should -- in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 -- and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Material facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied. In 1927 Chiang Kai Shek boiled hundreds of Communists alive, and yet within ten years he had become one of the heroes of the Left. The re-alignment of world politics had brought him into the anti-Fascist camp, and so it was felt that the boiling of the Communists "didn't count", or perhaps had not happened. The primary aim of progaganda is, of course, to influence contemporary opinion, but those who rewrite history do probably believe with part of their minds that they are actually thrusting facts into the past. When one considers the elaborate forgeries that have been committed in order to show that Trotsky did not play a valuable part in the Russian civil war, it is difficult to feel that the people responsible are merely lying. More probably they feel that their own version was what happened in the sight of God, and that one is justified in rearranging the records accordingly.

Overall a very interesting read. Balcer 17:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting indeed! Dr. Dan 17:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Armia Krajowa

Mógłbyś to rozszerzyć tak aby miało bardziej obiektywny charakter ?: Moje edycje sprowadzają różnych ludzi a nie chce z tego artykułu robić kolejnej wojny. --Molobo 14:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes and other nasty things

I have noticed other nasty things. When I left a pm to Ghirlandajo I have noticed that it has been removed. I wrote that I will report him to the administrator and I received a message from an administrator that he had right to do so (you can look at my discussion page and at the history of Ghirla's page, BTW - he did the same with your message).

I have seen your boxes at the discussion page and I can see what you mean. I have simply written a text on my page and so far no one has vandlised it, but it can be just a matter of time. I am unhappy about the fact that Misplaced Pages is clearly biassed towards the Great Russia and not allowing other points of view. This could be the only consistent interpretation. I do not like the idea of banning all the regional policy userboxes, but I think it might be a lesser evil. So far I do not know what to do - write to Jimbo Wales asking him to explain the rules of policy on userboxes or leaving this as it is and waiting for the time Great Russian Patriots and their sympathisers have their examination session. Regards, Jasra 15:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Pan, Pani

I'm not sure if you know that I live in Chicago, and have an enormous opportunity to speak Polish in my associations at work, shopping, and elsewhere. Thanks to the Jagiellonian University, I feel that I speak Polish fairly fluently, and I wish I could write better. As an American without Polish roots, I am proud of my associations with Poland and Polish culture. My travels in Poland, chiefly by automobile, took me from Jelenia Gora to Bialystok, and from Szeczecin to Krosno, and lots of places in between these points too. Frankly I'm not aware of any other form of address other than Pan or Pani, as the only time I ever saw comrade was on PPZR posters, and "Wy", when there were more than one persons involved. I was recently talking with some patients at the hospital, who are new immigrants from Poland, and asked them if anything has changed, causing the forms Pan and Pani to be discarded. They assured me that this is not the case. Is there some "movement" trying to do away with them? Dr. Dan 16:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting as I've been using Panienka and Panna without issue. So what does a 15-30 y.o. Polish male want to be called, if they say, don't Pan me? Dr. Dan 17:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

As usuall

--Molobo 19:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Sokół motorcycles

Napiszę po polsku bo tylko ten język (i śląski) umiem płynnie. Dlaczego upierasz się przy swojej wersji?

1. Jest jeden artykuł o sokole na polskiej wikipedii
2. W przypadku polskiego motoru jeden artykuł na polskiej wikipedii standaryzuje ilość artykułów na innych wikipediach na ten temat
3. Motor Sokół jest jeden, reszta to modele - podobnie jest np. z samochodem Syrena 100 czy 101 czy 105 - są to różne modele tego samego i jest jeden artykuł
4. Link (pl:Sokół 1000) jest błędny bo nie ma takiego artykułu

Wszystko wskazuje na to, że to ja mam rację. A, że się znam na polskiej motoryzacji to proszę zostaw już ten artykuł z pokoju. LUCPOL 20:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Award

Hi, I noticed you hadn't had an award for a while, so I'm just dropping of this. Regards, --Latinus 22:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar Halibutt is the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for his many quality contributions to Poland related articles. --Latinus 22:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

As usuall again

--Molobo 19:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Przydatne żródła

Ten numer biuletynu IPN ma artykuły które mogą okazać się dość przydatne przy obecnej dyskusji nad historią Polski 1939-1945: http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn7.html Dla przykładu: http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn/7/biuletyn7_7.html REPRESJE NKWD WOBEC MIESZKAŃCÓW STREFY PRZYGRANICZNEJ 1939-1941

http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn/7/biuletyn7_9.html Janusz Wróbel, OBEP IPN Łódź WYZWOLICIELE CZY OKUPANCI? ŻOŁNIERZE SOWIECCY W ŁÓDZKIEM 1945-1946

Polecam przeczytać. Zwłaszcze interesująca jest skala grabieży i napadów dokonywana przez Sowietów na zwykłych obywatelach. --Molobo 23:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt don't despair. You will be surprised how many topics we discuss are already covered by IPN :)

--Molobo 00:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

To też się przyda : http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn11_34.pdf O sowieckich represjach wobec Polaków ze Sławomirem Kalbarczykiem, Tomaszem Łabuszewskim i Kazimierzem Krajewskim rozmawia Barbara Polak --Molobo 00:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

See Catherine

Article Catherine the Great. Russian users insist on avoiding information on annexation performed by Catherine instead insisting that she "absorbed" lands of Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine etc. --Molobo 13:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

one contributor

Czesc, Halibutt! Jak sie masz? ;) Just wanted to point this out: Misplaced Pages contributor Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:

• http://www.br23.net/en/2006/03/24/game-over/#comments
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Rydel#.22kuban_coSSack.22

Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as Belarusian language, Belarusian history, Belarus, etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. Should WP community do something about it? --rydel 16:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Polish Stadium Stubs

No problem on starting the stubs on some Polish stadiums. I'm currently trying to get as many stadiums throughout the world complete. Patken4 00:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Pytanko

Zdjęcia z www.solidarity.gov.pl podpadają pod {{PolandGov}}? Jakiś postęp z negocjacjami?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:30, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Former landmarks of Warsaw

See .--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it would be a valid article - and that it would be long is just more reason to write it. Thx for Warsaw Arsenal - can you pleeese post your new articles at Portal:Poland/New_article_announcements - that way I can add referenced articles to Template:Did you know (or you can add them there yourself, to :>).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Anything you can tell me about the Staszic Palace (on the photo at Stanisław Staszic article) that is not mentioned in the pic description? I wonder if he founded it or if it was just named after him...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Greater Poland Uprising

Hi Halibutt, just wanted to let you know that I moved all the articles from Greater Poland Uprising to Wielkopolska Uprising to reflect the voting (I guess the admin forgot to do it himself). Appleseed (Talk) 18:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Katyn strange russian sources?

Can you check the recent additions? A source that gives <2k Katyn deaths seems like some Russian version of a Stalin Society to me, but I cannot verify it (and I use Mozilla, not Ffox so I cannot use the plugin you suggested).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

See also the massacre of defenceless Russian soldiers in Warsaw, 1794. Russian refs again.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

A humble request

Greetings, Halibutt, I was wondering if you might find it possible to translate a Polish paragraph into English for me? This is perhaps an odd request, but I hope you will not mind too much... thank you Deleuze 19:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ogg template

Hello! I'd like to inform you that I have used your Template:Halibutt Copyright Ogg from the Commons as a basis for my Template:Olessi Copyright Ogg, if you don't mind. I recently started making some .ogg files based on your suggestions to Renata at the beginning of the year. Olessi 01:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Please see this

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russsian_claims_about_Warsaw_Uprising_1794 The author tries to put information from non-objective source as objective article. The source is from Imperial Russia regarding Polish uprising against its occupation. Imperial Russia was known for fabricating and being source of many antipolish fabrications. Because I didn't want to delete this(no blanking) I moved it to a proper article that would deal with claim. --Molobo 03:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Czy wciąż potrzebujesz tych ustaw? (ewentualnie napisz pibwl@poczta.onet.pl, a przyślę Ci na maila) (BTW: podoba mi się szablon: This user supports the Democratic Party, or whatever their current name is. ;-) Pibwl ] 20:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lodz liberation4.jpg listed for deletion

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Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue I - March 2006
Project news An independent military history peer review has been created for the benefit of the project. A number of articles have already been reviewed, receiving significantly more feedback within the project than they did on the generic peer review page. The project's Collaboration of the Fortnight got off to a great start with Ferdinand Foch and is now focusing on the military history of Spain. Two new task forces—dealing with warfare during classical antiquity and the Middle Ages—have been created. An effort to build a catalogue of high-quality maps for use in military history articles is now underway. The newly-formed translation department is looking for volunteers to help with translating featured articles from other-language Wikipedias.	From the Coordinators Welcome to the inaugural issue of the Military history WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this new format will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new groups and programs within the project that they may wish to participate in. Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome, and will help us improve the newsletter in the coming months. Kirill Lokshin, Lead Coordinator
Current proposals Proposed guidelines for categories of military people are currently being discussed. A number of issues have already been resolved, but the proposed scheme is still in draft form and further input would be very welcome.

delivered by Loopy 04:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Dan Talk Page

Halibutt, we were involved in a discussion about a month ago re: Victories and Defeats. I finally put some of my thoughts together today, on my talk page, under Very Unhappy Dr. Dan. Please take a peek, when you can. Dr. Dan 02:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Jan Kilinski Talk Page

Thank you for your recent reply concerning the PLW. Will get back to you on that. In the meantime, I left you a response to our geographical debate, on the Kilinski talk page. Wondering if you see any merit in my contention? Dr. Dan 18:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Polish Government site pictures

Can you give me an estimate when you expect an answer about image use from the Polish Government on images in Category: Polish government site pictures, so we can leave as is or start moving to fair use tags or deleting? -Thanks Nv8200p talk 18:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Ribbons

You may want to join the debate. --Cool Cat 16:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

If You Have Time

Jan Kilinski Talk Page, again. Dr. Dan 18:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Request

Hi Halibutt,

I've been (foolishly) trying to get in touch with you on your Wikimedia page for the past few days. My name is Fernanda Viégas and I am running a survey of image contributors to Misplaced Pages. I noticed that you have contributed a series of pictures and maps to the site. It would be great if you could participate in this survey (you can find the questionnaire here). I am hoping to get all the responses to the survey by this Thursday, April 6th. Do you think you would be able to participate? Thanks! — Fernanda 22:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | talk

Vorkuta

Hi! I am of two minds about the Vorkuta image caption. In that particular context the Soviet slogan is indeed very similar to German's. It still feels uneasy, because that exact same slogan and many others similar to it were installed in many Soviet locations, not just in the forced labor camps. German slogan, on the other hand, was primarily used for concentration camps. Soviet was more generic. While the caption in its present form is somewhat valid, it may lead to wrong conclusions. Anyway, I'll leave the caption alone for now, but will try to think of a better way to re-write it to make it less ambiguous.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt, please stop spreading lies. Other users had been at talk all along. And please add the accusiation of lieing to your userpage. The list is incomplete. And, btw, the list also contains lies :(. I never called you a troll. I called some of your actions trolling. Troll is someone who does nothing else. I never claimed you are the one. --Irpen 19:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and before you modify your list, please note, I haven't called you a lier either. I said that you lied at the specific occasions. Perhaps, even, you were simply mistaken and told "not truthes" not on purpose. So, please don't add a "lier" to the list. --Irpen 19:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Skorpion

A zdjęcia robić można?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Warto zobaczyć tą dyskusję

--Molobo 11:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Polish death camps and Polish concentration camps merge

Look here: ] The two articles should be merged. --Molobo 12:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Morsztyn

Thanks for the improvements in the Morsztyn, article. Needed some copy edits, and yours were better. The section WORKS needs some more work too (no pun intended), I don't know enough about his works to do it properly myself. Enjoyed his poem about the bee in amber. Would enjoy reading it in Polish, too. Dr. Dan 17:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I read your piece on Mauthausen and I was surprised to see that you think some prisoners "were bled to death and their blood sent to the eastern front". As many prisoners were suffering from horrible diseases their blood would have been tainted, would it not? To keep blood from congealing it would have to be refrigerated, of course. How did they do that?

I have searched far and wide for any kind of evidence supporting this, but have found nothing. I have contacted a lot of official sources and they can also find nothing about this. Where did you find it?

Thanks,

Andreasegde

Mauthausen

Thanks for the reply!

I found this:

motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/ pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395115 - 38k –

The available Mauthausen inmate statistics from the spring of 1943 show 2,400 prisoners below the age of 20, 12.8 percent of the 18,655 inmate population. (For our concern, the cut-off age of 20 is too high; however, it does give some indications about the number of juveniles present.) By late March 1945, the number of juvenile prisoners in Mauthausen increased to 15,048, 19.1 percent of the 78,547 Mauthausen inmates. The number of incarcerated children increased 6.2 times, whereas the total number of prisoners in the same period multiplied by a factor of only four.20 These numbers reflect the increasing use of Polish, Czech, Russian, and Balkan teenagers as slave labour as the war continued. Statistics showing the composition of the juvenile inmates shortly before liberation reveal the following major child prisoner subgroups: 5,809 foreign civilian labourers; 5,055 political prisoners; 3,654 Jews; and 330 Russian POWs. There were also 23 gypsy children, 20 a-socials, 6 Spaniards, and 3 Jehovah's Witnesses.21 Mauthausen's children are probably representative for the composition of child prisoners in the camps after 1940.

andreasegde

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DYK Treatment

I've created the Treatment of the Polish citizens by the occupants article. I think it would be nice to DYK it - can you think of a sufficiently NPOVed 'did you know that...'?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

SPW again

Regarding whose invasion it was depends on the view what event was part of the the war and what was pre-war skirmishes. Britannica, summarising mainstream view on what events are considered part of the war writes:

Russo-Polish War (1919–20), military conflict between Soviet Russia and Poland, which sought to seize Ukraine... Although there had been hostilities between the two countries during 1919, the conflict began when the Polish head of state Józef Pilsudski formed an alliance with the Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petlyura (April 21, 1920) and their combined forces began to overrun Ukraine, occupying Kiev on May 7...

This was discussed in the past at several talk pages. --Irpen 00:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Powała z Tczewa

Powała z Taczewa Xx236 12:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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Czeski Cieszyn

Cześć. Mógłbyś zajrzeć na artykuł o Czeskim Cieszynie? Jakiś wandal stale kłócił się ze mną i w końcu dodał tam szablon NPOV. Chciałbym znać twoje zdanie, czy myślisz, że artykuł jest naprawdę nieobjektywny. Dzięki. -- Darwinek 20:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

STOP!!!!

.. editing Mauthausen just for a sec till I get my edit in... :-) Mozzerati 21:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

If I knew my edits would take so long then I would have done it differently :-) Go ahead and edit now; please check that your changes are intact. At least one section ( /*The camp system/) has a change which I can't work out what's missing.. Mozzerati 22:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Renaming

Please take a look at User_talk:Piotrus#Renaming and comment if you want. --Irpen 19:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen

I was extremely busy this week, and my contribs to wikipedia drpped sharply. This article requires careful reading before I can make any reasonable suggestions. One thing, though, is IMO doable: a sketch of history (open/.../expanded/.../liberated/.../memorial/...). `'mikka (t) 02:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter

If you celebrate Easter, Happy Easter. If you don't, Best wishes, as always, anyway. Dr. Dan 03:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh so vibrant colourful revolutions

Something to ponder for Kalinin/Milinkevich and Timoshenko/Yushchenko, but also Balcerowicz oligarchic apologists. Cheers! -Smbdy PS Main players in bold.

Freedom wars

Hi, I am currently working on this article and I got lost at one point: how does the war against Bolsheviks fit into the bigger picture of Polish-Soviet war? I hope you could help me out a little. Renata 01:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let me be a little more specific. As far as I understand Lithuania had about 18,000 men army in 1919. Now in Polish-Soviet was we are talking about 100,000's of men. If bolsheviks wanted they could have crushed Lithuania in no time. Why didn't it happen? Any thoughts? Renata 03:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

your airtemp variant

What you're working on has a couple problems. By changing the parameter names, you make all existing references to {{airtemp}} incompatible with your infobox. Also, the style you're using isn't the accepted infobox look - seen at {{Infobox Company}} and other mainstream examples.

As I mentioned at WT:Air, it would make a lot more sense to create a summary-type infobox like that used in most articles. Some users actually hide infoboxes via css, so using one for aircraft specs will leave giant portions of the article missing. There are some other issues, which Ingoolemo (talk · contribs) and I have raised at the project talk page as well. Anyway, I hope you'll see where we're coming from with this. ericg ✈ 22:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Save yourself considerable time and leave the Airtemp issue alone, and please seek WP:Air consensus before you make any alterations to the layout of aircraft pages. - Emt147 00:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Table demonstration

Allow me to demonstrate why WP:Air is so opposed to the tables. Visit a page still using the table, like P-59 Airacomet. Change your screen resolution to 640x480 or 800x600 (as commonly used by libraries, elderly, and people with slow computers). Note how the table completely obliterates the text. - Emt147 00:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I just tried the pages you mentioned. At 800x600, the table takes up more than half the screen width. At 640x480 it basically obliterates the text. - Emt147 01:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, the number of people who use 640x480 is close to zero these days. Check any page stats. (replied at your talk page) //Halibutt 01:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:Air infobox alternative - please consider

Look, I think you'd find the going a lot easier if you agreed to work on a summary infobox rather than a specifications one. I personally would not place it in articles, but I would also not have a problem with its creation and use. I can't speak for the rest of the project members, but I have a feeling it would be a much more satisfactory situation, and it would have the bonus of being in line with what infoboxes are best used for - a quick summary of information. ericg ✈ 01:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's good news. Your initial announcement made it sound much more aggressive. (Keep in mind that {{airtemp}} is not actually temporary. The layout has been in use for over a year and a half, and is unlikely to change. The name comes from air template, and has nothing to do with its permanence.) ericg ✈ 01:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem - when I first joined wikipedia I inadvertently got into a couple, shall we say, 'tangles'. So, with this sort of thing I assume good faith and try to clarify or convince as necessary. If you're going to duplicate {{airtemp}} bits, I'd suggest you use the same parameters (ie |length main= rather than |length imperial=) as it will make copy/paste easier and allow for imperial or metric units to be primary as needed. The system we have now is actually quite sophisticated and the result of a lot of discussion and testing. ericg ✈ 01:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'm pretty skilled with templates - the new #if code is a much better system than the old hiddenStructure hack, and I'm familiar with the existing airtemp code. I'm going to do a quick edit so you see what I'm talking about - revert if you like. ericg ✈ 02:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's the thing - not all aircraft use metric units as their primary unit - specifying which comes first tells the reader which is the primary unit. That's important in terms of accuracy and as a reference. Also, if you start a stub with your infobox and it later is large enough to allow a conversion to the WP:Air system, then a simple copy/paste will allow an editor to swap the infobox from a full details+specs layout to a brief summary, with specs at the end. ericg ✈ 02:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If we're to be taken seriously as a reference, it does matter. It's part of wp:air's agreed page content, so I hope you'll do us the kindness of following it. I'm working on the adaptation of your infobox at User:Halibutt/Infobox Aircraft. ericg ✈ 02:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

It was the topic of much discussion, and consensus arrived at the method we now use. It's not a gigantic change, and is something that manufacturers do alter as time goes on - many British manufacturers, for example, now list specs in metric units that once used imperial. ericg ✈ 02:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Really, it's not my call. I do think it's a valid choice, but for the record using main and alt makes more sense anyway - what if the units are something that isn't metric or imperial, like PS (german horsepower)? It's not that much more confusing - you're typing in "# ft # in" or "#.## m" anyway. Progress continues at user:ericg/Infobox Aircraft. ericg ✈ 02:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've got a clean, standard-style infobox up at user:ericg/Infobox Aircraft. It's got m:parserFunctions code up to the powerplant section, allowing as much or as little info as possible. Two examples are up at this test page, showing the full and minimal usage. ericg ✈ 03:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp review

I just thought to review the article:

1. The lead is too short. It should be at least twice the length.
2. Please add a location map, and a scheme of the camps (I know you are a map maker)
3. The article desperately needs some sort of table or scheme or timeline or something of the sub-camps. It is darn confusing to navigate through them: the intro says 50, later in the article I find number 101, and then another article, list of sub-camps, lists about 70.
4. Points need to separate. For example, don’t talk about arrival of new prisoners when talking about industrial production. Also there are many side-stories (eg about Edda Scheer) which distract from the main points.
5. “every conceivable horror was perpetrated on the inmates” is a pure 100% POV.

Good luck. Hope it’s useful. Renata 02:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

A little note: I wrote all those comments from point of view of a person who has no clue whatsoever about the camps and who hasn't been going back and forth to check for various details. I tried to make it KISS principle. I will reply to comments in detail tommorow and I plan (fingers crossed) to go over language improving flow sometime this weekend. And I think you want to take your comment back :) Renata 01:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I will take a look later on today (right now I am writing another article). But for now I leave you alone so you can do what your real life demands :) Renata 16:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, nice changes. I took a look and changed some language. Hope no facts were distorted, please feel to disagree and change stuff back. I think the first heading should be done :) Renata 03:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I will leave the camp alone so you could write and I could sleep ;) Happy student days and unhappy all-nighters.... Renata 04:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

1. It wasn't exactly converted into a labour camp on May 8, 1939.
   • Well, the whole thing is not clear. Now you give a very exact date and don't explain what happened there. Solution: either remove exact date and leave something like "spring 1939" or explain fully what belongs where and why.
2. east of the city of Linz sounds better to me than east of Linz city. I'm not a native speaker though.
   • See, your and mine, and DeirYassin's (especially) and many other non-native speakers' problem is that we are all using complicated grammar structures with tons of "of, which, that, there, here, etc." Why have a bunch of meaningless little words that clutter sentences and hide meaning? If you noticed, I deleted some of those clutters from other places.
3. Nazi Germany... I generally dislike the term.
   • Me, controrary, likes the term :) Why? Because it somewhat explains: why were they exterminating Jews? Because they were Nazis (and not because they were just Germans).
4. If I were you I would add the {seealso|Vernichtung durch Arbeit} link back.
   • Personal preference, really. But for me that spot is exlusively reserved for {main}. The term is linked anyways.

1. • By the way, the article has too many 'the.' Renata 14:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, when do you sleep? :) Renata 17:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. It's gotta wait till Friday. Renata 12:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp. I really appreciate it. BTW, I replied to some of your points and would be glad if you dropped in and took a look at my request for clarification.

Thank you. I'll take a look. — RJH 17:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Germany/New article announcements

I have announced your new stubs about the companies using Mauthausen slave labor at this page. If you create more articles related to Germany, please add them to the announcement page. Thank you, and happy editing, Kusma (討論) 02:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

request, 2

I'm not sure what went wrong with our collaboration – I was under the impression that we could arrive at a solution that worked for all parties - but if you're going to make snide comments at WT:Air, please at least read the entire discussion before making assumptions. Your latest remarks have taken place after we have arrived at a compromise with AzaToth (talk · contribs), and while we are working on what will be included in an {{Infobox Aircraft}}. Most of the project will probably not use it, but if one is to exist we would like to have input on it - as was the case with your own proposal. I don't understand why you find this so unacceptable. ericg ✈ 20:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the opinion you hold me in - I try to do my best to be accommodating, after some early foul-ups ;). I also want to apologize for the behavior directed at you in WT:Air. There is a sense of ownership, which I'm afraid is a side-effect of the wikiproject concept, but I'd like to think that overall it is a positive benefit. We care about how our content looks, which tends to fuel some heated opinions. Still, I've managed to convince the majority to favor cooperation with an infobox concept; we're currently taking a straw poll about whether or not to adopt the (summary-only) {{Infobox Aircraft}} that I worked on with AzaToth (talk • contribs) as a project-sanctioned template. The current tally is 3 support, 0 oppose, and I would really appreciate it if you'd come back to vote or give your input.

The Polish content you were going to work on will be appreciated by the whole project, and by Misplaced Pages's readership as well - please don't abandon something that everyone will benefit from because of one heated discussion. I hope to see your input soon. ericg ✈ 18:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

revier

I removed redlinks to revier while giving explanations of the term. Now it came to my mind that it is possible you were going to write the Revier article. Is it so? In any case such an article would make sense, since KZ sick bays do deserve a description and there is quite a few things to be written about them. `'mikka (t)

There is also a conference talk The language of the Nazi concentration camps: issues in rhetoric, politics and ethics by Michael Dorland, unfortunately not online; only abstract. `'mikka (t) 00:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

CONCENTRATION CAMP DICTIONARY `'mikka (t) 00:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

KL versus KZ Mauthausen

I changed the name from KL to KZ. All the camps were called KZs in Austria. Not logical, but I checked it out.

andreasegde 17:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Getting Back to You

Halibutt, how are you? I have been meaning to get back to you on a couple of questions you posed to me, but they require time and analysis. I've been busy, so all I'm able to do is snip and snipe at Wiki from time to time. I want to give your matters a little more concentration, and do them some justice, so bear with me. Hope you are enjoying this lovely Spring. Dr. Dan 03:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Ziemkiewicz

Witam, Halibutt. The article Rafał_A._Ziemkiewicz sais that he is one of the most popular Polish science-fiction authors, but sais nothing about his books. Could you expand the article, saying may be a phrase or two about each of his major works? (Of course, if you'll have enough time and will for it.) Btw, I've found in russian Śpiąca królewna (and nothing else). Just began reading, but it seems to be good, real fantasy. ellol 12:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Just another RFA thank you note

Dear Halibutt, I really appreciate your vote and your kind words in my RFA. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens 04:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

WU 1794

I think we managed to tone done that article to reasonable levels, but if you think we should NPOV it further, go ahead - nothing ventured, nothing gained. As for the M concentration camp, do you think it's a good time to send it to PR? I think that this article comprehensive enough to end up as a FA soon.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Warsaw Uprising

Dear Pan Halibutt. Before I ask my questions I want to express my admirations for your work and for many interesting articles you have published. You made a significant work for Polish studies on Wiki. It’s a proud work indeed. I have been interested in Warsaw uprising for a long time now. I have some questions regarding the participation of Foreign Volunteers on the German side in the uprising. There were allegations that 14 SS Galicia or Galizia (Ukrainian SS division) took part in uprising and conducted many brutalities. These allegations were denied by veterans of 14 Galicia and by some historians. It’s a fact that there were foreign volunteers fighting on German side in Warsaw (Kaminskis SS Brigade POHA and some members of POA-Russian Liberation Army). Maybe those Poles who gave testimonies about the atrocities confused Ukrainians with Russians? Also as I know Azerbaidjani volunteers were fighting against Poles in Warsaw. Did they commit atrocities? What other foreign volunteers of the Third Reich took part in the uprising? Thanks in advance and wishing you all the best. Please contribute more polish articles :) Noxchi Borz 16:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Pan Halibutt, Thanks so much for such an insightful and very informative information. I didn’t really expect to find out so many things in one day. Thanks to you now I have full information on Foreign Volunteers in Warsaw Uprising. I was well aware of RONA participation in uprising and also was convinced in the falsehood regarding Vlasov. However, Vlasov made numerous mistakes when he implemented Russian nationalistic policies in KONR regarding the self determination of many nations under Russian control. Although he later corrected that mistake. There was a big opposition from Ukrainian side about the involvement of 14 SS in the uprising. They still have firm believe that those were false allegations and polish provocations to present them as villains. I still don’t understand the main root causes of polish Ukrainian conflict. These are two very close nations. I think they have much greater enemy in the east. Its very sad to read about Azeri participation in the uprising. Azeris joined Wermacht due to many reasons but mainly for national liberation (others like Armenians Georgians, Baltic people, Ukrainians, Turkistani has same reasons). Is it true that Dmitry Shalikashvili (former officer in Polish army of Georgian decent) was member of Georgian SS (under BregadenFuhrer Tsulukidze) and he took part in the uprising? I think those were only allegations. He was one of the Georgian émigrés (of aristocratic background) who loved and admired Poland. Please visit: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/Poland/georpol.htm

And please let me know what you think about it. I’m very happy to have found you because it’s very hard to meet a person which such a vast knowledge in military history. I have tons of questions but I don’t think you have enough time to answer them. They start from Ulans of Napoleon (in Spain and Waterloo) till the massacre of Polish officers by Soviets.  Thanks again for dedicating your time and giving me so much info. Im planning to start article on Georgians in Polish army and if you have some info or want to help out I would be grateful.  All the best Pan halibut. Best wishes. Noxchi Borz 18:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Pan Halibutt, You can not imagine how helpful this information was. I can’t express enough gratitude. This info actually will help me to do more research on those Georgians. As I know Polish government in 1920 also supported liberation movements within republics of Caucasus. From many émigrés in Poland they organized an organization called “Prometey” which was financed by Polish government in establishing military units composed of Caucasian nationals. They even had training camps all across Poland. Polish government also conducted serious research on cultures and history of Caucasian nations and collected great amount of information (later used by Germans Abwehr to form eastern volunteer units). There were some operations conducted in Georgia in 1930s. Via Turkey Georgian insurgents attacked Soviets but most of these operations failed. Many people in Tbilisi who have been involved were executed. Shakilashvilis biography is very interesting and controversial. He was one of the Georgian aristocrats who fled the Bolshevik invasion. He joined Polish army. In his work he expressed gratitude and love for Poland. When Germans invaded he was contacted by Georgian émigrés from Berlin (they had organized Georgian Committee White George). Members of that committee were his former friends and fellow aristocrats (count Amilakshvari, Prince Dadiani and Chavchavadze). They pleaded with him to join the Georgian Legion (under the command of a brilliant general Shalva Maglakelidze). He was convinced by Abwehr agents and by German propaganda for liberation of Georgia. He joined his friend who became BregadenFuhrer Michael Tsulukidze (former officer of Georgian Democratic Republic) in newly formed Georgian SS unit. Both of them had good relations with Admiral Canaris. During the uprising in Warsaw, Salikashvili refused to join German units in Poland and surrendered to the western allies in France. However, there was a version by Soviet propagandists who claimed that Shalikashvili took part I the uprising. By this claim they made him a villain. Before he died in US, John Shalikashvili (son and later a big man in US army) witnessed his last moments. He asked John to never forget Georgia and go back there someday. Its very interesting relationship Polish had with Georgians before and after WWII. Unfortunately many poles don’t know even a simple thing about Georgia (a country which admired them). With Kober I will try to make an article about it in Wiki. What do you think? Thanks a lot again Hali, I really appreciate your help. All the best. LD. Noxchi Borz 20:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Cats

Hi Halibutt, just wanted to let you know that I removed cats "Battles of Germany" and "Battles of the Soviet Union" from "Battles of the Polish September Campaign". Neither Germany or the SU took part in all the battles of that war, so I think this type of categorization is confusing. Appleseed (Talk) 21:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

For the ape :) It's like the nicest thing I got on Misplaced Pages! (sorry, MG will have to wait till Saturday, I desperatly need sleep and I want to give it enough thougts). Renata 22:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, right now I have time, but not brainpower to work on MG (i.e. cannot concentrate on the subject). Minor wording games aside, I would oppose FAC for the main three reasons:

1. Last section on liberation needs to be reorganized much like the beginning
2. List on notable inmates is too red (suggest limiting and cutting down)
3. And hardest to fix thing, it lacks something. The article is too self-contained: it goes into all those nitty gritty details and completely forgets the "bigger picture." It lacks how it fits into the rest of the world. See, I cannot even adequatly explain what I mean... But most likely, it just needs to expand on aftermath. Renata 19:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Since you seem awefully quit, http://english.pobediteli.ru/, an awesome presentation! Renata 13:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

GG

W końcu nie pamiętam - masz czy nie? Bo ja już tlena nie używam, a chciałbym ci niekiedy jakieś info podesłać szybko...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II

The April 2006 issue of the project newsletter is now out. You may read this issue or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following the link. Thanks. Kirill Lokshin 18:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Partisans in Poland

Halibutt, I decided to write here first because I want to treat the issue separately from the conflict with that filthy mouth fellow. I will respond to your question about pictures at that article's talk.

As for the "...in Poland" section, I have doubts about its appropriateness. I first thought that you were going to repeat what someone else tried to do before and write a section on AL. I seemed to have convinced that guy that while AL was indeed largely Soviet controlled, it was still not a Soviet partisan unit.

However, what you write, is a different matter. You are writing about the territories detached from Poland and attached to Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania before the war. As such, this material belongs to the existing sections, I think. I mean that Soviet partisans in WWII in the territories of the former Second Polish Republic might be a legitimate article but as a section here, it simply doesn't fit IMO. What do you say? --Irpen 18:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you trying to fool me or yourself? Irpen, you're not trying to reach a compromise, you're trying your best to force the others to accept your views, which is a different matter. And a complete loss of time, if you asked me.

We've reached a compromise solution with Kuban Kazak and guess what? Irpen came and reverted to his preferred version. Which makes me think that using talk pages to reach a compromise makes no sense since there'd always be some Irpen to come and revert to what his POV tells him. I wasted enough time to prepare the articles you fix, I don't have enough time to waste on talking to a wall, as we say here in Poland. You have your views and apparently are dedicated to spreading them in wiki at all cost. So be it. You don't want to listen to arguments of other people - fine, do as you please. Want to change the articles to your liking - fine again. But be advised that it's a two-way road.

You've been complaining about Molobo's POV pushing, yet you become his mirror, just on the other side of the fence. He's using modern Polish sources which you find incredible - yet you're using either your own judgement (Volodarka) or some 19th century Russian prop (Orthodox church in Warsaw during the insurrection anyone?). It's your right to be hot-headed, but you don't have a right to assume my bad will or offend me the way you do. Want to continue your behaviour - feel free to. I will not offend you the way you did because in Poland it is believed that such behaviour tells more of the offending part and not of the offended person. However, if all wiki accepts your attitude, in no time all Russian-related articles will be vandalized the way you're vandalizing all articles you find related to Russia. You start adding Soviet propaganda - people will start adding Nazi one. For every liberation remark you add you will get a Soviet imperialism remark. This would be disruptive to the project and I believe that in the end all the people to adopt your ways would be banned, but the damage done to wikipedia would be serious. And it takes much more time to repair the image of Misplaced Pages once it starts reflect as radical views as yours.

Also, if you have a problem with international law not recognizing territorial changes through war then consult your MP and ask him to change it. Until then the Nazi-Soviet alliance and its outcome are not binding - at least not for anyone outside of USSR and Nazi Germany. The alternative is to call all sections according to the contemporary naming: Soviet partisans in General Government, Soviet Partisans in Reichskommissariat Ostland and so on. The territories I wrote about in the context of 1943 were detached from Poland in 1945 - and it was not before the war, but after it. Before the war those territories did not belong to the USSR. Check any contemporary map and you'll see. //Halibutt 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request

Sorry that I have neglected to respond further to Piotrus' request for mediation, back at the end of March. I've been drawn away from Misplaced Pages by other responsibilities and don't expect to spend much time back here for a while yet. Apologies and best regards, —Michael Z. 2006-05-03 15:20 Z

AL and GL

GL and AL in the Secret state? ????????????? Xx236 09:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

GL and AL didn't belong to the Polish state They rather opposed it. Xx236 06:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

AL and GL were Soviet organizations, even if the majority of their members were Polish. Their goal was to construct Communist Poland, even if many of their members weren't aware of it. They informed the Nazi authorities about some Home Army activities, killed members of other organizations, collected data about Polish activists for the NKVD. 09:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

AL and GL weren't parts of the Polish underground state. See the definition in the Polish article. Xx236 12:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

hitchhiking wiki

Hi! I was googling for hitchhiking wikipedians and found you on the German Misplaced Pages. :) I'm looking for some more action on the Hitchhiker's Guide to Hitchhiking. I guess you might be interested... Guaka 15:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Stephen IX (or X)

Hi,

I read what you wrote on Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło about the attempt to rename the page into Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania, and I agree totally with you. I think as rule there can't be more than one variant of a name in the title of an article. If more than one variant is possible, the title must chose only one and the others must be explained in the text itself and redirects must be used from alternative titles. If such alternative titles were admitted in the article's title itself, then we'd have to rename, for examples, Stepanakert into Stepanakert/Xankəndi, Tighina into Tighina/Bender/Bendery or 2003 invasion of Iraq into 2003 invasion/liberation of Iraq...

I am myself implicated in a very long and endless debate which is, I think, similar to this one. It's about the need to rename the article Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX, and so on until Pope Stephen III into Pope Stephen II. The historical reasons of this naming problem are detailed in Pope-elect Stephen. Those historical facts are not the matter of the debate. Everybody agrees on those facts. The problem is some users want to rename Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX (or X), which is an absurdity because of the same reasons as above.

I've launched this debate on 19 February and it is endless because it seems to interest very few people and it's impossible to reach a majority. I'm now prospecting for other people who would share my opinion on the matter. If you think you have something to say about this, I would be very glad if you did on Talk:Pope_Stephen_X. I thank you in advance.

Švitrigaila 00:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Cuba

Hi,

I am sending this message to editors I know who have done work on articles related to communism.

Adam Carr recently started bringing the Cuba article up to standard, gradually rewriting each section. In the meantime, his work has been resisted for several weeks by a group of Castro supporters who dispute, among other things, that the fact that Cuba is not a democracy. Adam Carr is now at a conference for a couple of weeks, meaning his work will likely be undone. If you have the time and the interest, please take a look.

Best regards. 172 | Talk 05:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)