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Boston_Marathon_bombings#Suspects_background

Ha ha. I messed up your clean talk page. Shouldn't it be Suspects' with an apostrophe? I'm too chicken to change it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Don't be chicken. Be bold, like a Moose. :) Viriditas (talk) 03:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, it's fixed now. And moose (sometimes plural "moeuse") are not bold, nor clever. If you spook one in the woods near a city, they sometimes run in a panic looking straight ahead, right into the city, and right through it in a straight line out the other side. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Don't be so hard on them. There's some ET somewhere complaining about how stupid we are as well. It's all a matter of perspective. And just to give you some perspective on how large the universe is, astronomer Caleb Scharf writes that if we could distribute all of the stars to every human being that has ever lived (~100 billion or so) each of us would get 10 billion stars! Think about that for a moment. In the end, our ability to comprehend the universe isn't all that different from a moose. Viriditas (talk) 07:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I totally say the same thing to friends. They often reply "...But we don't know if there's life out there...", to which I reply "Duh! Do you know how big it is out there?!?! Maroon! " Plus, so many lifeforms must have gotten started before us, and we all see what evolution does for I.Q. points. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Tell me, can you see the night sky in Hainan or is there too much light pollution? As you know my biggest pet peeves are noise and light pollution. Sometimes when I'm in a strange mood, I think about what would happen if I just wrote about those two subjects and nothing else. :) Viriditas (talk) 06:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

In Haikou we can see many stars. Even 20 min out of the city and we can see Milky Way. It's wonderful. Because of light and air pollution, hundreds of millions of kids in China have never seen a star. Can you see stars at night? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Great article about Pattycake, it's nice to have a (referenced) social perspective when talking about zoo animals. Hope you'll be taking it through a WP:GAN! Cheers, Jack (talk) 10:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Obviously, it's a work in progress, and there's a lot more on the way. If you know of any images, please feel free to add them. There are quite a number on commons, but I'm not sure if Pattycake appears in any of them. Viriditas (talk) 11:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback from Technical 13

Technical 13 (talk) 13:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sexism on Misplaced Pages

Hi Viriditas, I would really appreciate it if you would reconsider your support of Betty Logan. His comment about images of "pretty women with huge jugs" not being a problem – posted on Talk:List of vegetarians in response to a concern about them, and repeated at WP:AN – is sexist and undermining. It's baiting of the worst kind, because if you rise to it, he succeeds, and if you don't it looks as though that kind of comment doesn't matter.

It isn't fair to expect women editors to put up with it when they're trying to make a serious point, and to have respected editors like yourself support him, without commenting on that remark (again, giving the impression that it doesn't matter and we should just suck it up), is very discouraging. It would help a lot if editors would make clear that that kind of response is never acceptable, regardless of any other issue. SlimVirgin 04:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have evidence that Betty Logan is not a woman? You are cherry picking her words to make her sound sexist. When I read her arguments in context, I don't see anything sexist at all. PETA is widely known for publishing images of women without any clothes, so I find this discussion somewhat strange. Viriditas (talk) 04:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I've seen no indication that he is. Betty Logan is a character from a film, so I assume that's where the name comes from (though that's just my assumption). If you look at his early edits, he focused on snooker and beer, and reverted to restore an image of a woman's genitals. Add the "huge jugs" and similar comments, and they seem unlikely to come from a woman, though anything's possible. Still, that comment is problematic regardless of who posted it. And I don't know what this has to do with PETA. SlimVirgin 04:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

As you know, PETA works on anti-fur and vegan awareness campaigns that make use of semi-nude or scantily clad women, and the ads often highlight their sexuality in an attempt to make AR/veganism "sexy" (for one of many, many examples, see this) As a result, in the U.S. there is a direct association between the image of a sexy, scantily clad woman and vegan awareness. While this may be "sexist", it is part of mainstream vegan marketing by vegan-outreach organizations. Viriditas (talk) 04:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, PETA does that to be outrageous, but that has nothing to do with List of vegetarians, and even at her most outrageous you'll never hear Ingrid Newkirk talking about women with huge jugs. It is that comment that I'm talking about, posted in response to a concern. It's important to understand the effect comments like that have on discourse, and how they make the recipient of the remark feel (not to mention other readers in future). SlimVirgin 04:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The video of Alicia Silverstone that I linked above shows her naked (from the backside) and YouTube was concerned about it enough to impose content and age-restriction. Personally, as a man (and I need to say that to put the discussion in context) I don't find it outrageous, I find it beautiful. And the video argues (for the sake of argument, not based on any evidence) that this beauty is the result of a vegan diet. More recently, researchers have investigated this kind of beauty in some depth and they have discovered that all of us, man or woman, are hardwired for it. That sounds like a simple statement, but it is actually quite complex and comes into play in every aspect of our lives, from architecture to food, from consumerism to finding a mate. I think where the line gets crossed is when a man or a woman is objectified for their beauty, and their beauty becomes a commodity that narrows the full range of their individuality. In many respects, this kind of sexism is identical to speciesism; this is exactly what happens to animals who are seen as food objects, their personhood and their individualism is denied. So I'm afraid that the link to sexism in this context is somewhat muddled by various factors. First, when asked, Betty claims she is a woman. Second, through various interactions with Betty over the years, I never got the impression she was a man. Third, while her wording was less than ideal and could easily be misinterpreted, I don't think she is a sexist. I do think, however, that the notion of anatomical beauty and vegan diets is connected in the minds of the public due to the vegan outreach campaigns, so it is natural to link the two together, even if it is not an ideal match. Your concerns about sexism are of course valid, but we also have to admit that the sexism is deeply embedded by vegan organizations themselves (which is entirely possible and "normal" considering how sexualized the topic has become and how advertising and marketing uses the female form to sell products and ideas) and that it is not out of the ordinary for an editor on Misplaced Pages to choose to use an image of a sexy vegan to make this point. Viriditas (talk) 05:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

This mixes up several issues. First, I've never seen Betty Logan say he is a woman; he has said on AN that he has never said one way or the other. If he is giving people the impression that he's a woman and isn't, and is posting (what I regard as) sexist material and comments, and having other editors support him because they think he's a woman, that's very problematic. And I have to be honest with you, I am seconds away from retiring over this. The only reason I haven't posted the tag is that I don't want to look foolish in 24 hours in case I regret it. But seriously, why would any woman want to put up with this?

As for "vegan organizations," I'm not sure who you're talking about, apart from PETA (and they mostly promote vegetarianism nowadays). Is there any group other than PETA that does this? But regardless, Misplaced Pages isn't PETA or America, and we're not here to be outrageous or undermining of women.

The point is that, of 13 images of women on List of vegetarians, 5 are of Playmates, porn stars or similar, and when I expressed concern about that percentage being unrepresentative (to put it mildly), I was told: "f we can show a good looking guy with huge muscles or a pretty woman with huge jugs then why not? It helps demonstrate there are no adverse physical effects of being vegetarian." That is both sexist and facetious. And when the woman recipient objects, she's accused of cherry-picking the remark. So really, to stick around is to be a glutton for punishment. SlimVirgin 05:28, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

SV, I thought I just explained this up above, but if you like I'll repeat myself. I asked Betty on her talk page if she was a woman, and she said yes. You can go over there right now and read it, it's the last thread at the bottom. And, as for the argument that the image "helps demonstrate there are no adverse physical effects of being vegetarian", that is straight out of PETA. The Alicia Silverstone video page (only one of many on their site) argues just that ("Sexy Hollywood star Alicia Silverstone bares all in PETA’s first-ever naked veggie testimonial PSA. Watch Alicia’s sexy video..I've been vegan for 10 years, and it’s the single-most important and helpful decision I have ever made. Physically, the effect has been amazing. Once I went vegan, I lost the weight I wanted to lose, my nails were stronger, and my skin was glowing. I feel great, and I look better now than I did 11 years ago.") You say it is sexist, and I don't doubt it, but that's how PETA sells veganism and that's how the public knows it, and Betty's argument isn't out of the ordinary but rather part of the mainstream thinking about veganism from vegan organizations. I think you are taking this to a personal level, when we should be more concerned with improving the list. I already asked Betty to back away from it for a year. What kind of outcome are you looking for here? She said she's a woman, and she's argued that she isn't sexist. Is it sexist to portray vegans as beautiful, semi-naked sex objects? Yes, but that's how veganism is marketed to the public. You can't blame Betty for that. Viriditas (talk) 05:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I suppose I'm wondering why you're focusing on whether Betty Logan is a woman. The comment is sexist no matter who posted it (women can be sexist too), but if you look at his early edits it would be surprising if he's a woman. And again, what does Misplaced Pages have to do with PETA or marketing? The only point that matters is that almost half the images of women on List of vegetarians are of porn stars and Playmates. It has nothing to do with nakedness. Are 5 out of every 13 women, porn stars? No. Are 5 out of every 13 female vegetarians, porn stars? No. So why that representation on Misplaced Pages? Where are the lawyers, doctors, academics, scientists, entrepeneurs?

The reason is that the article has been put together by men, by the 91 percent, and when one of the 9 percent expresses concern, the response is a sexist remark that other editors defend. Maybe I should just get a sense of humour. Anyway, point is that I finally realize I'm wasting my time on Misplaced Pages. SlimVirgin 05:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I would definitely support a more equal representation, so count me as a support. However, I think we might be dealing with a bit of selection bias. That is to say, the reason for an unbalanced selection of images might have more to do with the nature of image uploads. In other words, it is likely that we will find more free images of beautiful women available to place in articles than we will attorneys, academics, and scientists. If you would like me to help upload these images, feel free to give me a list. I know User:Anna Frodesiak would also lend a hand as well. Would this help solve part of the problem? Viriditas (talk) 06:04, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that would be very helpful. But please note that attorneys, academics and scientists might be beautiful too; the point is that the images in that article focus on porn stars. And the issue is not just selection bias because of image availability. In three of the cases, there were free photographs available of the same women wearing more or fewer clothes, and in each case the photos with the fewer clothes were chosen. The two lead images used to be Pamela Anderson in a bikini followed by a Playmate of the Year with breasts half exposed. Then further down a model in a bikini top with breasts half exposed, followed by a second Playmate, and then a third, followed by an erotic dancer and porn star. SlimVirgin 06:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks to me like you've identified a problem that should be fixed. Now, how do we go about solving it? From what I understand, Betty told me she is on board with us. Let me know if you need my help or what you need me to do in this regard. Viriditas (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Would a change to the image use guidelines help? Perhaps a recommendation as to how to best choose an image? Viriditas (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The image issue is one problem. The sexist remark and the failure to deal with it is another. Imagine a black editor expressing concern about the portrayal of black people on Misplaced Pages. In response to his concern, the editor responsible for that portrayal makes a racist remark. The black editor complains, but the racist remark is repeated and defended. "You were just cherry-picking," the complainant is told, "and anyway, the other editor says he is black too, so your complaint doesn't count." SlimVirgin 06:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I think we are all agreed that your concerns about scantily-clad women were valid and have been dealt with or are being dealt with. Betty Logan's original response in full context, does not read as "sexist" to me. Can we agree to disagree? Is it possible for you to entertain the possibility that you may have misinterpreted her comments? The only reason I say this is because I've made similar mistakes in the past, only to review the situation and to say to myself, "what was I thinking?" Viriditas (talk) 07:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I'm not wrong about that being a sexist response. A woman expresses concern that 5 out of 13 images of women on an article about vegetarianism are of porn stars. The editor who added those images replies that we are simply showing these women scantily clad because they are "at work," and adds: "And if we can show a good looking guy with huge muscles or a pretty woman with huge jugs then why not?" It's a boilerplate sexist response, and I'm no longer willing to perform the daily lobotomy on myself that I normally have to perform just to get through one day on Misplaced Pages. SlimVirgin 07:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

How is that sexist in its original context? Betty argues that such images were chosen (discrimination by editors) due to theme, balance, context (in situ), selection (bias) and health (veganism is nutritous). Those are solid explanations. Viriditas (talk) 07:38, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Am I really having to explain why praising "pretty women with huge jugs" is sexist in response to a concern about too many images of porn stars (or in response to anything else)? It's locker room stuff. This blindness is much more upsetting than the original remark, by the way, and it's the reason I know I can't hang around here anymore. The Foundation hopes that having more women editors will get rid of this kind of thing, but in truth it's going to have to happen the other way around. SlimVirgin 07:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I think you are reading it entirely wrong. In its full, original context it's an analogy showing that stereotypes of men with big muscles are like women with big breasts. For some reason, you are missing the analogy and reading it literally. Also, knowing that Betty has a huge interest in film, her choice of inflammatory, colorful language appears deliberate, as if to emphasize the conceptual metaphor. Nothing really sexist here. Viriditas (talk) 08:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Note, I just asked Betty on her talk page to help with this. I hope this gets the ball rolling. It's better to focus on what we can accomplish now rather than dwelling on the past. Viriditas (talk) 06:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I have always been in favor of a more representative gallery, but I think we should focus on removing duplication first. We currently have three Playboy Playmates, so we could replace a couple (I suggest keeping the one that was also Miss USA and then you cover the beauty pageant demographic too). We currently have two Chief Rabbis (replace one). We have three female pop singers (replace a couple). We have two straight actresses (the Dutch lady and Julie Christie) so let's replace one. We have a couple of male pop musicians, so lets replace one. That is just at first glance, there may be more overlaps. And those should preferably be replaced by professions, nationalities and ethnicities that are not represented. Eradicate duplication initially because there is an obvious approach, and it that doesn't resolve the issue then we can have a close look. Betty Logan (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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The reason I'm editing like a maroon

We're sick with bad colds, and I just realized that others in the home are doing dumb things too. Our noodles aren't 100%. I just started Trapdoor spider (disambiguation). I just don't know if it's needed. Is it? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that!  :( Stay away from chickens and ducks (bird flu) and drink plenty of hot tea and get some bed rest. As for the Trapdoor spider page, that looks interesting. Check out WP:SETINDEX when you are feeling better. BTW, if I put your name like this (User:Anna Frodesiak) you should get a notification I replied. :) Viriditas (talk) 08:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I did. I got the little red thing-a-mi-doodle. Nice.

Thanks. I'm pretty sure it isn't bird flu. Then again, the birds are doing dumb things, but then that's normal. I once saw a chicken eat most of a styrofoam take-away container.

I read WP:SETINDEX and think that maybe the dab page isn't needed. Then there's the pesky Trap Door Spiders in the list. But there's a hat for that at the main article. Should I zap the dab page? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's a list of Trapdoor spiders, right? And there are five different species that all share the same name? I think that's a set index article, right? I don't think you need to nuke it, but you might need to rename it. Viriditas (talk) 08:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Rename it? But there's already the article trapdoor spider. Search says there are lots of families and genera and species that all are called trapdoor spider. I have no clue what to do. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I think I see the problem. Have a look at our index article on Anaconda. The problem is that our current article on the Trapdoor spider refers primarily to the Ctenizidae. I see that Liphistiidae, Barychelidae, Cyrtaucheniidae, Idiopidae and Nemesiidae are mentioned in the lead. One solution would be to move Trapdoor spider to Ctenizidae, remove the redirect, and then turn the old page into the set index page. But, I don't know if this is needed or necessary. I would consult with WikiProject Disambiguation and WikiProject Spiders, but it looks like that's what they did with Anaconda. Viriditas (talk) 09:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay. I just moved it stupidly to List of trapdoor spiders. I'm having competency issues. Plus, I accidentally clicked a spider blog, which triggered the firewall, and now enwp page are getting blocked. I'm making a mess. Would you please help me by doing something with List of trapdoor spiders like reverting or something. I need to collapse or do something that doesn't require my brain. I'm so sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take care of it! Viriditas (talk) 09:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I've been in denial. I'm sick as a dog. :( Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Get some sleep! And, get better soon. Viriditas (talk) 09:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

ANI archived

If you want to continue our debate on the merits that's fine, just please extend the one going on my talk page or the ANI one. But please don't add stuff inside an archived conversation . While I know you're not trying to pull anything, it helps with the context that archived conversations aren't edited after the archive (and associated note) occurs. Shadowjams (talk) 21:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I moved your comment down. I didn't change anything else. Shadowjams (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Conversely, it also helps if a thread isn't shut down just minutes after it is opened, especially when the problem under discussion hasn't reached a conclusion and is still ongoing. I had two choices: I could have reopened the thread and added my comment or I could have added my comment to the closed thread. I chose the latter, come hell or high water. Viriditas (talk) 21:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

AN/I discussion

Purely for the sake of adhering to standard procedure, I am here to tell you that you have been "formally" accused of harassment.

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Griffith J. Evans

Hi. We have an article on w:cy:Griffith J. Evans about the man who shot Jim. Maybe you could Google Translate? If you have any further info on him, please let me know. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me about Rocky Mountain Jim, as I had completely forgotten about it. I'm not seeing any content over at cy. Either there is a replication lag on my end or it is blank. What I mean by blank, is that the text is placeholder text only, no actual content. I could be wrong, but I think I looked into this last year and couldn't find anything about Griffith J. Evans that amounted to more than a stub, but I suspect there is something out there. I'll keep my eyes open. Viriditas (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I've added a redirct; should work now. Many thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 04:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Great work! What a fabulous article. Now, where do I find the sources used to write it? Viriditas (talk) 04:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi. The reference given is from a Welsh language article in a mag called Llafar gwlad (see: Meredith, Luned (Chwefror 2013). Griff Evans: Cymro sy'n rhan o hanes Colorado, Rhifyn 19. Llafar Gwlad). You could Google Translate and double-check with Rhys or myself. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll take a look. Viriditas (talk) 20:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Biography sections

Edits by a given editor, and the rationales behind them, may certainly appear to be "strange", "odd", and done for "no rhyme or reason" if one does not bother to try to understand them or ask the editor in question about them, in which case such characterizations are merely self-serving. If you want to discuss any given edit or edits of mine, then provide the diffs in question, and ask me about them. Since you didn't specify any diffs, I'll assume you're referring to my last edits to those two articles.

In my last edit to Amanda Filipacchi, I changed the title of the "Work" section to "Career", because that's the standard title used when describing the subject's career across countless articles on Misplaced Pages, which I've observed over the past eight years. (You yourself have been editing here for even longer than that; do you deny that that's the standard name of that type of section?) I also changed the section about the Misplaced Pages op-ed controversy from a standalone Level 2 heading to a Level 3 subheading as part of the Career section, because that Op-ed was written by her as part of her career. Ditto for my last edit to Sandra Fluke, whose previous heading titles were arbitrary, as I indicated in my edit summary. To label the information on her early life and a portion of her career her "Biography" makes zero sense. Why is that her "biography", but her speech to Congressional Democrats on contraception mandates, the criticism leveled at her by Rush Limbaugh and her support for Obama's re-election campaign not? Aren't those latter things part of her biography? A biographical article, after all, is entirely a biography. So calling one portion of it a "biography" and the rest is arbtirary. Didn't I state this in my edit summary?

Now if you disagree with this and want to discuss it, then fine, let's discuss it on the article's talk page. Let's invite other editors to weigh in if need be. What is not called for, however, is telling me that I am somehow required to be an regular editor on those articles in order to make this change (since this is false--as editors are free to edit whatever articles they want, and no other one editor or group of editors "owns" articles), or arguing that if I 'm not a regular contributor, that this constitutes disruptive editing or an attempt provoke edit warring or (which is not only an inane bit of reasoning, and a possible violation of WP:AGF and WP:NPA, but pretty much at odds with the fact that I'm an veteran editor of eight years, and an administrator of five and a half years, and not some random IP whose edits even come close to resembling vandalism or disruption). Peace. Nightscream (talk) 06:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a standard section header structure and a quick glance at our GA/FA biographical articles disputes every point you made above. What's happening here is you are creating your own standard and enforcing it. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this. The way it works is like this: you may enforce whatever standard you think works when you create the article. This style guideline holds true for almost every aspect, from section structures to citation formats to referencing style. What you can't continue to do, however, is arbitrarily keep changing already existing styles to match your personal style. I thought I already explained this to you. Viriditas (talk) 07:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

GA Thanks

This user helped promote Brownie Mary to good article status.

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Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Wondering if you got red boxed about User:NE_Ent/sandbox5? NE Ent 11:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Nope. That's weird. Viriditas (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Filipacchi photo query

I'm not just assuming good faith, but truly believe that you did not mean to make any minimizing statements in creating Filipacchi's portrait derivative. You do realize, however, that you greatly reduced the resolution of the image and chose an infobox display size (100 px) smaller than the 200px used previously. Compare her photo size with, say, Jorge Luis Borges or Flann O'Brien. I really didn't want to put this in the article talk page as I'm sure it was inadvertant. 24.151.50.173 (talk) 16:24, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I'll attempt to fix the problem in the next several hours as soon as I get home. Viriditas (talk) 21:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, I see the problem. Wow, how did that happen? I'm fixing it right now, give me about five minutes or so. Viriditas (talk) 23:42, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if there are any other problems. Viriditas (talk) 01:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for the welcome! I've actually been meaning to get involved with editing Misplaced Pages for a long, long time, and finally found the initiative to start. I may contact you with lots of questions as I move forward into more complex areas of Wiki-controversy. Pertinaxed (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Galactic habitable zone

You may be interested in helping me on my next work, an article on the galactic habitable zone. It's not that great (or even complete) at present, but I hope that you are interested. Wer900 • talk 01:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. I'll take a look. Viriditas (talk) 02:52, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Your help is welcome. Always a pleasure to work with you. Wer900 • talk 04:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar awarded!

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		For long-term general excellence as a Wikipedian, please accept this token of my esteem with my best wishes, always. Jusdafax 06:18, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Viriditas (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Input request

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I am requesting input from all participants in the discussion from the recent Signpost article on sexism in Misplaced Pages for a proposal at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/National teams#Proposed change: consistency in article title gendering. Thank you in advance for any contributions to the discussion. Dkreisst (talk) 21:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Wiki guideline against "political affiliations as pejorative"?

I appreciate your efforts to discourage characterizing people and things as "having a specific political affiliation as a pejorative." I see this often enough and think it compromises the quality of encyclopedic writing - as if some editors need to situate every topic on a (not always helpful, to me anyway) left/right political spectrum. Do you know of a WP policy that I could cite against excesses of this, more than say http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:NPOV#Impartial_tone ? Thank you! Juro2351 (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

You're joking right?Gobbleygook (talk) 13:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Gobbleygook, Juro2351 isn't joking. Misplaced Pages isn't like Fox News or other partisan news outlets that label sources as "left-wing" and "right-wing". Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia that focuses on discussing subjects at a higher level of discourse using the best sources we have. As editors, our role is not to label sources as "Jews" or "Muslims", but to discuss the merits of what the sources are saying. In the same way, our editorial role is not to label sources as "left-wing" or "right-wing" but to discus what makes those sources important enough to cite. This may be confusing to you if you are used to watching Fox News or reading partisan sources. Viriditas (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

3RR :(

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