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Testing something

Test for the new Discussion logic. 138.162.8.57 (talk) 19:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Clean start policy

+1 (from prior experience) Double sharp (talk) 16:42, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thank you for standing up to bullies. ~ DanielTom (talk) 23:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Kumioko (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Color Wheel

That Color Wheel link in your useful tools registers as an attack page to Firefox. I was wondering if you were aware of that. Also, thanks for your input from before. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem and thanks for letting me know. I wonder how long its been like that. I removed it. Kumioko (talk) 15:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

AE

Per your comments about Arbcom being extended to include MOS, there is no possibility of that happening – Arb deals solely with conduct, not content, just as DRN deals solely with content. There have been many erroneous statements made about Arb participating in the heated MOS discussions a year or two ago, but the participation was solely to handle the conduct there, and not the content. Arb is not our Supreme Court to decide content, that is what DRN is for. Apteva (talk) 16:35, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I would hope that is correct but based on the comment that Gatoclass made I wanted to make that comment. Additionally, Arbcom has in the past made the decision to increase their own scope through various decisions a little at a time. Regardless of how the rules should work, the Arbcom has become the defacto governing body of Misplaced Pages and there is very little they do that could be argued effectively. If they made a statement that their powers extended to and or beyond the MOS, the only one that could revert that would be the WMF and its unlikely they would do so openly. Arbcom has become the supreme power of Misplaced Pages and there is nothing or at least very little that can be done about it without intervention from the WMF which as I said above is unlikely to say the least. Kumioko (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I have noticed a bit of in-fighting within ARB recently and (I think) more than one arbitrator quitting because they complained that they did not sign up to fight with the arb. WMF stays completely away from all conduct and content issues. All they do is provide us with a platform, what we do with the platform is totally up to us (other than legal issues). Apteva (talk) 18:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry

My apologies for this. It's written clearly at the top of the section that only Admins are meant to post there, and I was just being WP:BOLD. -- Ohconfucius  16:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries but thanks for the explanation. Not directed at you but its just further evidence of the us and them admin vs. editor mentality I have been talking about for months that people keep insisting doesn't exist. Kumioko (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I had made another comment too. I moved it up into my section so now its extremely difficult to follow the discussion without jumping all over the page and pretty much ensures that no one is going to read the comments outside the Admin only section. But that's how the system is designed. Favor the admins, F the rest. Kumioko (talk) 17:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

We seem to be on the same page when it comes to Wiki-issues, at least kinda.

Komioko, after reading your responses here (and in other places), I would be appreciated if you can update me with links to the same or other problems you see. I usually don't follow those pages but would appreciate any link to new developments. Thanks in front, TMCk (talk) 01:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, That's a pretty big can of worms to open up but here goes, I hope this helps:

1. A lot of cities and areas have meetups regularly. One example is DC but the same is true of others like New York as well.
2. There is the Village pumps, the Help desk and the Teahouse.
3. There's Jimbo's talk page, always a hive of activity and drama.
4. There are the IRC channel's
5. There are other sites like the ones mentioned above for all of the other wiki's including Wiktionary, WikiSpecies, WikiTravel, etc. They may call it something different but the result is the same.
6. Then you have the dreaded and hated site Wikipediocracy...the site who shall not be named. Its a huge drama fest and a mess and has a lot of good and bad in it. Much like Mos Eisley spaceport you'll never find a more wretched hive of Wikiscum and villiany. But it also has a lot of good info and insight if you can weed out all the hyperbole and crap.

I hope this helps a little. But let me know if you need anything else. Kumioko (talk) 01:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comprehensive response, It really is :)
But actually I don't want to check those pages on a regular bases and thought you might pass me of a link when there is something important for common editors like me to know and comment on. You have my appreciation if you can do so but no worries if you don't. Thanks in any case, TMCk (talk) 02:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure that will work for a couple reasons. First some could argue I am Canvassing but more importantly I don't know what you consider important. I have all the drama boards on my watchlist and they all get important stuff to me but to you they might not be important. It really would be better if you watchlist them yourself and just discard what isn't important to you. Kumioko (talk) 02:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand your concerns. My interest lays in anything forced upon us that adds to loading times or new gadgets that come w/o an option out. Since I asked you to let me know about those issues, it wouldn't be canvassing but I realize that it would put a burden on you to remember me when discovering such and realize that it is too much to ask. Instead I'll try to keep an eye out myself as much as possible just as you suggested. Please accept my apology for trying to solve my laziness in this manner at your expense. Thanks for your straight forward replies, TMCk (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

AFC redirects

Hi, I have been declining your A6 nominations for AFC redirects. Such redirects are supposed to exist. The case to delete these could apply if the article they point to was deleted, which was not in your case. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't really agree, what purpose do they serve? They don't link to any discussions or other pages besides the article being created and all the articles already have the AFC WikiProject Banner so why keep a useless redirect just for the sake of having it? Kumioko (talk) 10:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if they are useless. They do provide a permanent record of the articles being created by AFC, that will survive even if the AFC banner gets lost from the Talk page. This may be a bit lame: They're part of the history of Misplaced Pages. I don't see any urgency or importance to deleting them, either. I wonder how you are even noticing them, to be bothered by their existence. You must have to search for them? And, I'd rather have help moving any a items to b locations, at my talk page, if you have spare energy.... :) --doncram 11:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The AFC banner on the talk page also shows a permanant record of the arficle being created, so there isn't a need for an additional redirect. I would agree it should be kept if it was linked in a discussion like for some back and forth dialogue of improving the article. Honestly I see them all of the place when I start doing maintenance stuff under the Misplaced Pages domain and then I have to remove tens of thousands of Article for creation links. Aside from that cross namespace redirects are usually discouraged but here we seem to have built in this huge exception. Kumioko (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The best place to talk about this would be WT:AFC where the procedures that are used in AFC are discussed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You mean this discussion? Kumioko (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Huff?

Hi, I don't necessarily agree with your comment here. Wikis' open participation model is very susceptible to trolling, so it often makes sense to withdraw from a conversation once you have said your peace. Regards, -- Ohc _{¿que pasa?} 04:34, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough and there is certainly some truth to that. Kumioko (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to delete this

I generally don't post on the talk page of editors whom I have banned from commenting on my own talk page, but your bid for admin has provoked me sufficiently to say: are you fucking delusional? Do you really think that you're going to be made an admin after socking with IPs and then making a general nuisance of yourself in a bunch of high-profile places? What, exactly, is wrong with you? Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)