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I don't see any 1940's era Aircraft Carriers with Catapults on them, as mentioned in this article. Perhaps experimental ships? The Catapult was a CRUCIAL Aircraft Carrier inovation for the use of jet aircraft and larger aircraft like ASW, Transports, or (Jet) Bombers. Perhaps a note about higher take-off and stall speeds of contemporary aircraft. Also note that "737" and other transport aircraft DO takeoff w/o catapult and land without arresting hook due to high power to weight capability (short field capability) and full engine power thrust reversers (not allowed during civilian aviation use). The "ski-ramp" thing puzzles me. No reference to other articles. "Translating forward motion for vertical motion" seems useless if you are still below stall speed??? Planes tend to stay near the groud building up speed before they "rotate" (head upwards) in part due to "ground effect" (additional lift experienced while wings are still within 20 feet of the ground). Notice that catapult launched aircraft "sink" after passing the edge of the ship's bow. ] (]) 21:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't see any 1940's era Aircraft Carriers with Catapults on them, as mentioned in this article. Perhaps experimental ships? The Catapult was a CRUCIAL Aircraft Carrier inovation for the use of jet aircraft and larger aircraft like ASW, Transports, or (Jet) Bombers. Perhaps a note about higher take-off and stall speeds of contemporary aircraft. Also note that "737" and other transport aircraft DO takeoff w/o catapult and land without arresting hook due to high power to weight capability (short field capability) and full engine power thrust reversers (not allowed during civilian aviation use). The "ski-ramp" thing puzzles me. No reference to other articles. "Translating forward motion for vertical motion" seems useless if you are still below stall speed??? Planes tend to stay near the groud building up speed before they "rotate" (head upwards) in part due to "ground effect" (additional lift experienced while wings are still within 20 feet of the ground). Notice that catapult launched aircraft "sink" after passing the edge of the ship's bow. ] (]) 21:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:OK, during WWII and before most catapults were hydraulic, it was the invention of the steam catapult by the British that allowed the introduction of jet aircraft and heavier aircraft to modern carriers. Please provide some evidence for a 737 ever being used on a carrier, otherwise whatever its short field capability it is irrelevant to this discussion. Whatever your thoughts on ski-ramps, the fact is they do enable heavier load-outs to be used and extend the envelope of operation for STOVL aircraft. Ground effect is proportional to wing span, not an altitude of 20'. An aircraft with a high aspect ratio wing can experience ground effect much higher than 20', although I will allow that the effect becomes greater the closed to the ground you get. Not all catapult aircraft sink after launch. This is entirely dependent in a number of factors, particularity the all-up weight of the aircraft and the wind speed over the deck. Also, note that modern USN aircraft are usually launched from their nose gear. This prevents the aircraft from adopting a high angle of attack prior to release from the catapult, however "rotation" is usually instantaneous after the cat releases since the pilot holds the stick back during launch so that this will occur. Whether the aircraft sinks will depend on the factors I mentioned. It has nothing to do with ground effect. - ] ] 00:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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As per the talk page for the article on "Aircraft Carrier" it was suggested that the historical content should be split off to a separate article. The historical detail was felt to be clogging up an article on functioning warships. This article will be tidied up to concentrate on their history, leaving details of modern-day carriers, their design and operation as well as future planned vessels for the original article. Wiki-Ed (talk) 20:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
==CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN==, why René Francillon is mentioned in the subsection of the USN's carriers use during the Vietnam war. This has no place and his quoted is relevant to the page. It is the history of the aircraft carrier, not one authors view of the war on a whole. Needs to be rewritten. There is no mention of the use of the carriers, over 7 years, what entailed the logistical feat that was accomplished.
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I don't see any 1940's era Aircraft Carriers with Catapults on them, as mentioned in this article. Perhaps experimental ships? The Catapult was a CRUCIAL Aircraft Carrier inovation for the use of jet aircraft and larger aircraft like ASW, Transports, or (Jet) Bombers. Perhaps a note about higher take-off and stall speeds of contemporary aircraft. Also note that "737" and other transport aircraft DO takeoff w/o catapult and land without arresting hook due to high power to weight capability (short field capability) and full engine power thrust reversers (not allowed during civilian aviation use). The "ski-ramp" thing puzzles me. No reference to other articles. "Translating forward motion for vertical motion" seems useless if you are still below stall speed??? Planes tend to stay near the groud building up speed before they "rotate" (head upwards) in part due to "ground effect" (additional lift experienced while wings are still within 20 feet of the ground). Notice that catapult launched aircraft "sink" after passing the edge of the ship's bow. Shjacks45 (talk) 21:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, during WWII and before most catapults were hydraulic, it was the invention of the steam catapult by the British that allowed the introduction of jet aircraft and heavier aircraft to modern carriers. Please provide some evidence for a 737 ever being used on a carrier, otherwise whatever its short field capability it is irrelevant to this discussion. Whatever your thoughts on ski-ramps, the fact is they do enable heavier load-outs to be used and extend the envelope of operation for STOVL aircraft. Ground effect is proportional to wing span, not an altitude of 20'. An aircraft with a high aspect ratio wing can experience ground effect much higher than 20', although I will allow that the effect becomes greater the closed to the ground you get. Not all catapult aircraft sink after launch. This is entirely dependent in a number of factors, particularity the all-up weight of the aircraft and the wind speed over the deck. Also, note that modern USN aircraft are usually launched from their nose gear. This prevents the aircraft from adopting a high angle of attack prior to release from the catapult, however "rotation" is usually instantaneous after the cat releases since the pilot holds the stick back during launch so that this will occur. Whether the aircraft sinks will depend on the factors I mentioned. It has nothing to do with ground effect. - Nick Thorne00:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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