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| Most of these display multiple problems. I'll probably create a matrix for each diff, checking off which discusses violence, other BLP violations, inappropriate sexual banter, etc. | Most of these display multiple problems. I'll probably create a matrix for each diff, checking off which discusses violence, other BLP violations, inappropriate sexual banter, etc. | ||
| ====Violence==== | |||
| {{user|Ironholds}} advocated shooting ], ], ]s (sequentially), in a log (Misplaced Pages-en.20090305) with links to ,---the last link contains Keyes's discussion of killing a woman in a way that her cries for suffering are prolonged. | |||
| In that diff, there's also a confession of his enjoyment in frustrating others. I'll add more declarations of similar interests. | |||
| ====Other BLP violations ==== | |||
| * against ] : " "rammed hard from behind by ]" and "will there be lube?": , | |||
| ====Other sexual banter==== | ====Other sexual banter==== | ||
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Evidence presented by Kiefer.Wolfowitz
Current word length: 415; diff count: 0.
Participation would be a waste of time for me.
Oliver Keyes, who operates both the Ironholds (talk · contribs) and Okeyes (WMF) (talk · contribs) accounts, is a Misplaced Pages administrator and a WMF employee. On IRC he made a comment about bringing a lighter along with oil already supplied by another administrator to use on me. When it was reported, I responded by writing that he was welcome to come to Sweden, try his chances, and suffer the consequences (using dialogue from The Crying Game). Neither of us made a threat, but the remarks were uncivil and apologies have been made, by all parties.
His supervisor and the community are aware of this incident and others on IRC, and Keyes has indicated that he is staying away from IRC. This would suffice were Ironholds never to have had a history of discussing violence.
Kww blocked me for 3 months, and I served roughly half a day before I was unblocked by Fram, who seems to hold the belief that even enforcement of civility would be a good thing to try. If Kww and Fram still disagree, they can ask for other members of the community for other opinions; failing that they can go to AN/I or other mediation fora; if they believe the issue is important, one day they could end up at ArbCom.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Ironholds misuses IRC
Most of these display multiple problems. I'll probably create a matrix for each diff, checking off which discusses violence, other BLP violations, inappropriate sexual banter, etc.
Other sexual banter
- "physically possible to suck that many cocks in that period",
- "fuck NEWT and its participants with 30-feet double-ended dildos coated in acid and razor wire"
- "masturbating furiously to fan art of dolores umbridge", a character in a children's book (wikipedia-en.20120115).
- Joking about slapping a woman, leaving her bruised, etc. (Link, already deleted per WP:BLP)
Inflamatory
- Sockpuppetry and baiting: "I've been socking for 2 years.... I'm secretly both Kiefer Wolfowitz AND ParrotOfDoom" (wikipedia-en2013-06-29)
Evidence presented by Ironholds
Current word length: 709; diff count: 1.
I was going to say "I'm going to try and keep this brief, and fail", but since I know I'm likely to fail it seems silly to make promises I can't realistically keep. I've split things into 2 sections, instead. It is not (and for this I apologise) the structure of a normal evidence section - more of an extended statement. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
On Kiefer Wolfowitz, and the "dispute"
What we've got here is commonly reported in one of two ways - either as a two-stage problem (I made a thoroughly inappropriate joke, Kiefer struck back, we ended up at the Arbitration Committee) or as some long-running battle. This is not how I understand the situation, so I'm going to try and explain it from my point of view.
I have no particular liking for Kiefer - to be blunt, he strikes me as someone who delights in drama. But I don't have a long-running dispute with him, either - we don't even encounter each other most of the time. The relationship could probably be summarised best as mutual annoyance without, at my end, any particular desire to cause harm.
Inasmuch as this dispute can be said to have been a series of back-and-forths, my inappropriate joke on IRC was me airing my frustrations at some, frankly, vile accusations that Kiefer made about me. The transcripts of these have been provided to the Arbitration Committee privately. The accusations struck me as thoroughly offensive and without merit - moreover, they struck me as comments deliberately intended to cause harm. Frustrated by those accusations, I made my comment on IRC. Kiefer responded on-wiki, and the rest is history.
I have no particular desire to associate with Kiefer. Not out of a feud, or anything else, but simply because his recent actions strike me as those maximised to cause drama while allowing for an escape clause. I have avoided commenting on him, I have even nixed attempts by other users to discuss the case with me.
Kiefer previously wrote, above, that the current situation "suffices for peace." I would genuinely like to believe that Kiefer's indication here - that he will stay away from me, and cease making the sort of assertions that kicked off this dispute - is a true one. That he genuinely intends to avoid me, and avoid commenting on me. Unfortunately he continues to pursue me, even after his statement here. Again, I have provided the evidence to the Arbitration Committee privately - and again, I dearly wish for him to stop.
On my actions
I've noted already that my joke was inappropriate, but I'd like to expand on that. My comment was completely unacceptable; whether Kiefer annoys me or not, whether he has made offensive statements or not, it is inappropriate for me to air my annoyances. I don't think there's anyone amongst us who isn't frustrated by other users, on occasion, but there's a line that has to be drawn between being frustrated and airing that frustration. That I aired my frustrations in a private venue is secondary to the fact that I did so in front of other editors.
I've been on IRC since I was around 17, I think - possibly earlier. I'd like to think I've changed a lot over the last few years, and that comments I made back then in the naivety of youth aren't comments I'd make today. It remains clear, however, that I still have some progress to make around how I conduct myself. Until I have resolved those issues and grown to the point where others are comfortable with my approach, I have voluntarily withdrawn from wikipedia-related IRC channels, save those I am involved in due to my work duties.
More than offending Kiefer, however, it's become clear from comments made by users at this RfAr that I've offended a lot of other people, too - people who, outside occasional disagreements, I very much respect. Wehwalt, Dennis Brown - In airing my temporary frustrations in such a cavalier manner, I've caused permanent damage. All I can do at the moment is apologise for that, and assure you that I am working to improve. If any user has been offended by my commentary and is not willing to post as such publicly, please do email me. I will not bite: I will apologise, and I will move forward.
Evidence presented by Kurtis
Kiefer and RfA
Over the past several months, I have observed Kiefer making numerous offensive remarks at RfA. His continued disruption culminated in a near-total ban on engaging in extended discussions there. To list some examples:
- Anna Frodesiak — Kiefer initially supported, but he also posted a couple of questions: the first one pertained to her activities at the "Suicide of Amanda Todd" article, while the second called her username into question, specifically asking if it complies with WP:USERNAME and WP:CHILDPROTECT (which deals with the privacy and security of minors, not the censorship of usernames). He subsequently switched to oppose because of her answer to Pedro's question, which was about Kiefer's recent indefinite block and subsequent topic ban from RfA; bear in mind, she spoke positively about his "obvious intelligence and his many, many good edits", so no offensive was intended. Afterwards, he expanded his oppose, referencing the "abusive behaviour" of The Rambling Man and calling Pedro an "administrator/troll". At the time of this incident, Kiefer was already banned from extended conversations at RfAs, so he was unable to engage people any further.
- Mattythewhite — Kiefer received a lot of heat for thia one. Basically, he felt that making significant edits to association football did not qualify as "contributions to traditional encyclopedic content." He also saw Matty's writing skills as being subpar. Most of the extended discussion about his oppose rationale was moved to the RfA's talk page. Aside from that, he responded to a few of Matty's supporters who criticized his oppose — including Ironholds, who explicitly supported "on behalf of Kiefer Wolfowitz" before proceeding to berate his argument for its perceived elitism.
- Paulmcdonald — This is one where I was personally involved. He was the second editor to oppose, with this for a rationale (subsequently amended); it seemed as if he was opposing because Go Phightins had been the nominator. I questioned him about it, but Kiefer's reply did not help to clear things up. AutomaticStrikeout and Tazerdadog chimed in as well, and they were also confused by what he said. Kiefer responded by listing out two concerns that he had with Go Phightins: 1) He found the nomination to be poorly written, and 2) Go Phightins nominated AutomaticStrikeout for adminship, which apparently reflects poorly on him. Kiefer justified this portion of his rationale by using the John McCain/Sarah Palin analogy to illustrate that nominating or accepting a nomination from someone with dubious qualifications is an ominous sign. I don't think I'm out of line in saying that Sarah Palin is known for giving confused, uninformed responses to important political questions. If someone compared me to her, I'd feel very offended.
- Miniapolis — Although Kiefer's oppose was not called into question, it did partially reflect on the merits of Hahc21's nomination. He also mentioned concerns with "prose" and "maturity", but failed to substantiate on either claim.
- Salvidrim — Very much the same idea as with Mattythewhite, Kiefer dismisses Salvidrim's contributions to video game articles because they do not qualify as "traditional encyclopedic content", even going so far as to say that altering the focus of his article writing would help to demonstrate "sufficient intellect to be an administrator." Kiefer also commented on Vacation9's original weak oppose, but it was initially cordial; however, his subsequent four responses were needlessly condescending and offensive.
- Northamerica1000 — I have no idea what he meant by "Oppose per usual 'allegiance', 'fanclub' membership, and 'enabling' (thanks for the civility, NPA, and AGF, administrators!)". It's this kind of cryptic language that causes all the frustration people have with Kiefer at RfA.
- Then there are nonsensical ones: Binksternet, Darkwind, Apteva, etc.
Previous RfC/U
Kiefer.Wolfowitz was previously the subject of a user conduct RfC in 2011: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Kiefer.Wolfowitz. The concerns listed there include incivility, personal attacks, patronizing comments aimed at younger editors, and a complete misunderstanding of copyright policy. Unfortunately, his overall attitude doesn't appear to have changed very much since that time, as the following reports seem to illustrate:
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